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steelchamp204
10-03-2012, 03:34 AM
As a Steelers fan it has been great seeing outside linebackers dominte on the defenseive side of the ball for so long. I wanted to start a thread on which of these two linebackers you would pick in there prime. I want to compare Porter and Harrison. I'm not saying either one is worse but one of them in my opinion was more dominate. Porter had a longer career but dont take anything away from Harrison on that. I have some stats here below so noone really has to go doing homework before they decide. Keep the thread civil and no bashing on other's opinions. Keep it classy. I would have to go with Porter. The guys had such a nastiness to him every game. Fast explosive and played his *** off every game and ran his mouth off before every game at midfield. I miss watching Peezy play in the black and gold. Im glad he retired a steeler. Im just glad I got to watch Porter and Harrison follow up right after he left to keep the dominate pass rush coming from the edge.

Stats off of when they started a full season.

Harrison 2004-2010 seasons

488 combined total tackles
49 Sacks
18 Pass def
5 Int's
25 Forced Fumbles

Porter 1999-2006

448 combined tackles
60 sacks
43 Pass def
10 Ints
18 Forced fumbles

SnakeEyes43
10-03-2012, 07:19 AM
I loved the way Peezy talked, and backed it up. But Harrison is just nasty....such a tough call.

Both great blitzers.
Both pretty good agaisnt the run and pass.
Both very intimidating to the opposing team.
Harrison hits harder, no question.
Porter had the speed, no question.
Harrison is the "big bad wolf" of the NFL.
Porter was the vocal leader of the team.

I would go with Peezy, just based on his ability to fire up the team with his vocal leadership, all the while intimidating the opposition. Plus you gottta love the half-rolled up jersey pre-game routine, haha.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-03-2012, 08:49 AM
That's a really tough call, both guys in their prime were as good as it gets. I loved Peezy's trashing talking attitude and emotion that he brought to the team. I miss those rallying cries; WHO RIDE..WE RIDE.


Stats wise they are pretty similar, but Peezy has been able to stay healthy for more of his career than Harrison has.


Harrison has the swagger of "I'm going to kill your family while you watch and then kick your *** for watching". He just plays mean, similar to how Greg Lloyd used to be.

LarryNJ
10-03-2012, 10:56 AM
They were very similar against the run and sacks. I'd take Porter because he seemed better against the pass but harrison had the biggest int in Steeler history.

Jack ham was the best OLB I ever seen for the Steelers.

Goodfrom55
10-03-2012, 10:57 AM
I think it boils down to durability; Peezy didn't miss to many games, but Harrison is a guy that DC's gameplan for.

I say Harrison. . .just because.

Zachintosh66
10-03-2012, 11:00 AM
How about penalties... lol. Whats that stat?

Id take Peezy over James everyday and twice on sunday... Peezy lead the defense verbally and with his play. Peezy was faster and far better in coverage. I also think Peezy had a better "game changer" ability. Where as he could just take over a game if he needed to.

Harrison's pass coverage claim to fame is that he got lucky in the biggest game of the year and where he actually read the play wrong (according to DL) Soooo thankful he did tho, lol!

Rhyno
10-03-2012, 11:11 AM
I love them both, but this no contest. Porter, easy. Just a better all-around player than Harrison.

Big T
10-03-2012, 11:13 AM
Let's take a closer look at the stats. Peezy started for us from 2000-2007. James Harrison didn't start until 2007, so I'm going to look at 2007-2011. Obviously account for games missed. (based on yahoo stats)*

Peezy 2000-2007
106 games (6 games missed)
442 total tackles
4.2 tackles a game/63 a season
58 sacks
.55 sacks a game/8.3 a season
42 pass def
10 INTs
17 FFs
Age 23-29

Silverback 2007-2011
74 games so far (6 games missed, 5 of those in 2011)
437 total tackles
5.9 tackles a game/87.4 a season
54.5 sacks
.75 sacks a game/10.9 a season
12 pass def
4 INTs
26 FFs
Age 29-33

I'd take Harrison. I absolutely loved Peezy, but he wasn't as completely dominant with us as Harrison has been. Plus Harrison did all of this starting at the same age that Peezy stopped playing with us. I think that makes his numbers that much more impressive. Peezy did all his **** with us from 23 to 29, while Harrison was 29 to 33. That's insane if you think about it. If only Harrison was a couple years younger :(

I love them both though. Can't go wrong with either. And, if I'm remembering correctly (which I may be mistaken), Harrison read the play right... He knew he was supposed to rush but decided to drop back based on what he was seeing in the offense... I dont care either way lol.

Zachintosh66
10-03-2012, 11:14 AM
Jack ham was the best OLB I ever seen for the Steelers.

Apples to Oranges... completely different system, completely different time. Cant compare 70's players to 2k players...

Big T
10-03-2012, 11:15 AM
Apples to Oranges... completely different system, completely different time. Cant compare 70's players to 2k players...

Completely agree.

SnakeEyes43
10-03-2012, 11:26 AM
And, if I'm remembering correctly (which I may be mistaken), Harrison read the play right... He knew he was supposed to rush but decided to drop back based on what he was seeing in the offense... I dont care either way lol.

That's what I've heard, but like you said, I don't really care...it all worked out!

steelchamp204
10-03-2012, 12:52 PM
Let's take a closer look at the stats. Peezy started for us from 2000-2007. James Harrison didn't start until 2007, so I'm going to look at 2007-2011. Obviously account for games missed. (based on yahoo stats)*

Peezy 2000-2007
106 games (6 games missed)
442 total tackles
4.2 tackles a game/63 a season
58 sacks
.55 sacks a game/8.3 a season
42 pass def
10 INTs
17 FFs
Age 23-29

Silverback 2007-2011
74 games so far (6 games missed, 5 of those in 2011)
437 total tackles
5.9 tackles a game/87.4 a season
54.5 sacks
.75 sacks a game/10.9 a season
12 pass def
4 INTs
26 FFs
Age 29-33

I'd take Harrison. I absolutely loved Peezy, but he wasn't as completely dominant with us as Harrison has been. Plus Harrison did all of this starting at the same age that Peezy stopped playing with us. I think that makes his numbers that much more impressive. Peezy did all his **** with us from 23 to 29, while Harrison was 29 to 33. That's insane if you think about it. If only Harrison was a couple years younger :(

I love them both though. Can't go wrong with either. And, if I'm remembering correctly (which I may be mistaken), Harrison read the play right... He knew he was supposed to rush but decided to drop back based on what he was seeing in the offense... I dont care either way lol.

Yea T your right man, Harrison was suppose to blitz that play but he remembered ARIZ running that play before with the lineup they had and decided to drop back into coverage, what a huge play that was.

LarryNJ
10-03-2012, 01:33 PM
Apples to Oranges... completely different system, completely different time. Cant compare 70's players to 2k players...

You can't because you weren't around. Us old timers can. We take into account different systems and eras. :)

Black@Gold Forever32
10-03-2012, 07:30 PM
Noway you can compare a 4-3 OLB to an 3-4 OLB.......Main reason their responsibilities within in their respective defenses are different......

As for Joey Porter and James Harrison.........Porter is one of my alltime favorite Steelers but I would go with a James Harrison in his prime over Joey Porter.....I do think Porter was the better leader of the two.........Harrison is more of a leads by example or lets his play do the leading were Joey Porter was the emotional and vocal leader of the Pittsburgh Steelers when he was leading the defense.....Both players were great in the Steelers 3-4 defense so its really a tough question....Can you be wrong either way?

steelchamp204
10-04-2012, 12:31 AM
Noway you can compare a 4-3 OLB to an 3-4 OLB.......Main reason their responsibilities within in their respective defenses are different......

As for Joey Porter and James Harrison.........Porter is one of my alltime favorite Steelers but I would go with a James Harrison in his prime over Joey Porter.....I do think Porter was the better leader of the two.........Harrison is more of a leads by example or lets his play do the leading were Joey Porter was the emotional and vocal leader of the Pittsburgh Steelers when he was leading the defense.....Both players were great in the Steelers 3-4 defense so its really a tough question....Can you be wrong either way?

You couldnt be wrong either way at all, both of them in there prime were as good as it can get being a 3-4 outside linebacker. Each one you could build a team around. I would have liked to see Harrison get his jumpstart around 25 or so if he would have made the team. Porter/Harrison have been a pleasure to watch. I remember the Kevin Greene and Lloyd back in the day but I was only about 6 years old then, I didnt care as much about football as I do now, to busy playing outside lol. I just thought it would be a cool topic to bring up is all.

connecticutsteel
10-04-2012, 06:53 AM
I like Harrison for the overall fear factor.Teams would target him as apart of the game plan .Peezy was a great player but teams didn't fear him like they did Debo

Root4Stlrs
10-04-2012, 04:37 PM
You can't because you weren't around. Us old timers can. We take into account different systems and eras. :)Hello from a fellow old timer. I don't include the 70s guys because I don't think that team could ever be replicated. It was a once in the NFL that will never happen again. The other so-called dynasties can't even begin to compare.

ChucktownSteeler
10-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Apples to Oranges... completely different system, completely different time. Cant compare 70's players to 2k players...

Agreed. Love them both and about 12 other Steelers LBs as well.

cbyzerman
10-05-2012, 03:16 PM
Sorry i loved Peezt but its no contest, Both in there prime and healthy, Harrison is twice the player and an absolute beast. Peezy was a good player but never a beast.............

cbyzerman
10-05-2012, 03:22 PM
You oldtimers sound ridiculous. Jack lambert is by far my favorite steelers of alltime but Harrison would tie him into a pretzle, put mustard on him and eat him...............

Steelersfan
10-05-2012, 06:48 PM
You oldtimers sound ridiculous. Jack lambert is by far my favorite steelers of alltime but Harrison would tie him into a pretzle, put mustard on him and eat him...............


Maybe, but he would have to stay healthy enough to do all that.

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Zachintosh66
10-05-2012, 08:48 PM
Maybe, but he would have to stay healthy enough to do all that.
:lol:

But seriously... There are now Safteys bigger than Jack. He wouldn't last in todays game...

Lunchbucket
10-05-2012, 09:16 PM
wow ! this is like picking my favorite child!Loved Joey and James ,and have to say both brought a unique sense of intensity to the field in different ways. Stats do not always identify weather a player is effective or not, and, in my humble opinion,can be misleading.I am old school too,and agree Ham was the best outside backer in the 4/3.The game has evolved alot since Noll took over in 1969,players are bigger ,faster,stronger now,but, don't play every down ,have high tech equipment to protect them,specialist trainers and doctors, scientifically designed turf,nutritional consultants,and FAT paychecks........ Ahhh yes, apples and oranges indeed. Guess oldtimers really are ridiculous.

CowherPower
10-06-2012, 05:05 PM
Ok how about Porter and Harrison on the same team? Talk about emotion and trash talking!!! The media would be in a frenzy every week!

Root4Stlrs
10-06-2012, 07:28 PM
You oldtimers sound ridiculous. Jack lambert is by far my favorite steelers of alltime but Harrison would tie him into a pretzle, put mustard on him and eat him...............

And u sound rude.

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