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BlitzburghRockCity
07-05-2012, 01:49 PM
It's ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/50361/is-joe-flacco-among-afcs-most-overrated) vs ESPN in the most overrated AFC players. Flacco is listed first in that list by KC Joyner but of course Jamison Hensley stands up to defend him as not overrated but rather inconsistent. I say in this case they are one in the same. If you're hyped up to be the best by your own admission and the media talks about you like you're some sort of god, then being inconsistent every single year makes you overrated.



That he isn't the best field general in the league comes as no surprise, but Flacco's 2011 season doesn't even place him in the upper half of the league. His 9.6 vertical yards per attempt mark (VYPA -- which measures success on passes 11-plus yards downfield) ranked tied for 25th, and his 10.7 stretch vertical YPA (SVYPA -- passes over 20 yards downfield) ranked 26th. To get an idea of just how bad those totals were, they each ranked dead last or tied for last in the AFC North.


Jermaine Gresham of the Bengals and Joe Haden of the Browns are also on that list. To read the rest you have to subscribe to ESPN.



Here's what Joyner had to say about Gresham:
Gresham certainly showed some potential at times last year, but the blunt truth is that his numbers fell quite short of the Pro Bowl nomination he was given. The 4.7 short pass YPA was tied for the fourth-lowest total among tight ends in that category, and the 8.7 medium YPA ranked 30th. Gresham was tied for 12th in the deep pass YPA metric, but didn't have a single bomb pass thrown his way all season.
I can certainly see why Gresham would be viewed as overrated. He led AFC North tight ends in receptions (56) and touchdown catches (six) last season, but they weren't numbers usually associated with a Pro Bowl season. Instead of calling him overrated, I would say he was underused. Gresham should be catching between 70 and 80 passes, a goal that could be reached in an offense lacking an established No. 2 wide receiver.


This is Joyner's explanation of why Haden is overrated:
Haden was a shutdown cornerback in 2010, as his 6.2 overall YPA that season ranked tied for 18th-best in that metric. His 2011 campaign was another matter entirely, as Haden ranked 51st in overall YPA (8.0), 59th in VYPA (11.0) and 65th in SVYPA (14.4). This wasn't a matter of a low target volume skewing the numbers, either, as Haden's 77 targets last year ranked tied for the 23rd-highest total among cornerbacks in that metric.
I still believe Haden is the most talented cornerback in the division, even though these statistics suggest otherwise. While he has to intercept more passes, it's impressive that he broke up 37 passes in his first two seasons. He also held his own against some of the best receivers in the NFL, from Larry Fitzgerald (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/5528/larry-fitzgerald) to Brandon Marshall (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9705/brandon-marshall).

Black@Gold Forever32
07-05-2012, 02:55 PM
I still think Flacco squats to pee even though he had moments last year....Flacco will never win a Super Bowl....book it.....

Speeed
07-05-2012, 03:07 PM
He just might. I have always contended that the Ravens do not build their team around a QB. As a team, they play very well and coalesce like no other team in the league. Yes, even better than our Steelers I would argue. As a result, they can have just about any QB in there and the results will be the same. Sure, that QB may have a bad game or two, and some spectacular showings, but in the end, the team "unit" will win most games. Their season is dictated by the team, not the performance of their QB. Now, if they had a real stinker, or a Joe Montana, that would change, but the majority of the QB's are average and close skill/talent wise.

The Steelers, on the other hand, seem to require the QB to lead them to victory, especially of late with Ben. Imagine if he had Marty Mediocre throwing the ball in recent years? I shudder at the thought. If Baltimore gets a serious QB it could get ugly for the Steelers. In the meantime, when we play Baltimore, we need to knock them off their overall game plan.


I still think Flacco squats to pee even though he had moments last year....Flacco will never win a Super Bowl....book it.....

ChucktownSteeler
07-05-2012, 04:19 PM
Flacco is over-rated, but if Trent Dilfer can win a Super Bowl with the Ravens, Flacco can.

C-town

The Lakelander
07-05-2012, 04:23 PM
Always the best conversations come out of these threads ... :yellowthumb:

connecticutsteel
07-05-2012, 04:27 PM
C-town the defense the dilfer won was all world they will never be that good again plus Flacco is at the peaki of this talent they had there shot last year although in the old nfl that was a touchdown last year

Real Deal Steel
07-05-2012, 04:29 PM
I still think Flacco squats to pee even though he had moments last year....Flacco will never win a Super Bowl....book it.....


I totally agree with this. Flacco will be put on the corner in some high heel pumps by us this coming season. And he also will be wearing a black and gold skirt too. :)

ChucktownSteeler
07-05-2012, 04:29 PM
C-town the defense the dilfer won was all world they will never be that good again plus Flacco is at the peaki of this talent they had there shot last year although in the old nfl that was a touchdown last year

In all honesty, Flacco put the ball in the receivers hands at the end of the game against N.E. He dropped it. Flacco had them in the Super Bowl, if the receiver hangs on. Make no mistake, I hate Flacco, but "just sayin".

Black@Gold Forever32
07-05-2012, 04:52 PM
Flacco had his moments last year but until last year he played like a piece of crap in the play-offs......Look at his post-season numbers his first three years?....Just terrible.....

Comparing the 2000 Ravens to the 2011 Ravens is way off....The 2000 Ravens had an alltime great defense....This current Ravens D is banged up and getting older.....I'm saying it now the Ravens miss the play-offs in 2012....book it.....

Real Deal Steel
07-05-2012, 05:42 PM
Flacco had his moments last year but until last year he played like a piece of crap in the play-offs......Look at his post-season numbers his first three years?....Just terrible.....

Comparing the 2000 Ravens to the 2011 Ravens is way off....The 2000 Ravens had an alltime great defense....This current Ravens D is banged up and getting older.....I'm saying it now the Ravens miss the play-offs in 2012....book it.....

I agree with this. Look at the hits they took in free agency. They got stripped down. I just don't see that defense being that good (especially with Ed Reed having retirement in his mind all the time) and if the Ravens are behind, they don't have a come from behind offense per say.

And..the Bengals are a better ballclub also too.

BubbyBlister
07-05-2012, 06:07 PM
In all honesty, Flacco put the ball in the receivers hands at the end of the game against N.E. He dropped it. Flacco had them in the Super Bowl, if the receiver hangs on. Make no mistake, I hate Flacco, but "just sayin". True! I don't think the Ravens would have gotten that far though if Schaub hadn't got hurt for the Texans. Last year was a weak AFC playoff class and they came up short.

BubbyBlister
07-05-2012, 06:12 PM
I agree with this. Look at the hits they took in free agency. They got stripped down. I just don't see that defense being that good (especially with Ed Reed having retirement in his mind all the time) and if the Ravens are behind, they don't have a come from behind offense per say.

And..the Bengals are a better ballclub also too. I been saying it and last year was there chance and I see there window of opportunity closing. No way they beat Pitt both games this year plus the Bengals are improved and the Ravens lost a key member on defense already to injury. The big factor is Falco and company blow to many games to below or just average teams. Also think the got a lot of help from the refs last year too.

Real Deal Steel
07-05-2012, 08:36 PM
If that Texan O-line can still hold up, the league better watch out. I have much respect for what their trying to do in Houston.

connecticutsteel
07-05-2012, 11:42 PM
In all honesty, Flacco put the ball in the receivers hands at the end of the game against N.E. He dropped it. Flacco had them in the Super Bowl, if the receiver hangs on. Make no mistake, I hate Flacco, but "just sayin".

I here you to me it was a td he caught it and took a step then the ball was knocked out .I hate flacco too and anything raven/browns

Black@Gold Forever32
07-05-2012, 11:49 PM
**** Joe Flaccid.....lol I'm hoping Woodley and Harrison put a major hurt on him this season.....

scudmissile29
07-06-2012, 09:13 AM
**** Joe Flaccid.....lol I'm hoping Woodley and Harrison put a major hurt on him this season.....

my thoughts exactly, **** the bounty rules, who gives a **** about them anyway.

put that fag in his place and show him why he's not even the best quarterback in the division.

FeelSteel
07-06-2012, 09:56 AM
Flacco's problem is...... he's an idiot. Seriously, he just isn't that smart. He talks slow and lacks any semblance of charisma. Duffuss comes to mind when I see him.

SuperSteelers
07-06-2012, 10:45 PM
As much as we hate the guy he did bust our tails twice last season.

JensK
07-07-2012, 06:35 AM
Flacco has had 2 major issues in his career so far the way I see it. They have lacked playmakers at the wideout position. The QB is ultimately only as good as his wideouts allow him to be. Recently, however, that changed. So now that is not an excuse anymore. Instead, the biggest knock on him, aside from being a Raven, is that he choke when the pressure gets too heavy. As much as it pains me to say it, Flacco played an above average season last year. Sure, he was not on the same level as some of the great, but certainly better than a lot of starting QBs in the league today. However, he fails to bring his team to the SB. And he has no one to blame but himself. The Ravens have had as talented a defense as they come in this league. They have had a decent o-line and a really good RB team.

If Flacco don't want to keep hearing this about himself he needs to take the Ravens to a Superbowl and probably win it. And he needs to do it fairly quickly as well.

Phenomenal TJ
07-07-2012, 07:58 AM
He just might. I have always contended that the Ravens do not build their team around a QB. As a team, they play very well and coalesce like no other team in the league. Yes, even better than our Steelers I would argue. As a result, they can have just about any QB in there and the results will be the same. Sure, that QB may have a bad game or two, and some spectacular showings, but in the end, the team "unit" will win most games. Their season is dictated by the team, not the performance of their QB. Now, if they had a real stinker, or a Joe Montana, that would change, but the majority of the QB's are average and close skill/talent wise.

The Steelers, on the other hand, seem to require the QB to lead them to victory, especially of late with Ben. Imagine if he had Marty Mediocre throwing the ball in recent years? I shudder at the thought. If Baltimore gets a serious QB it could get ugly for the Steelers. In the meantime, when we play Baltimore, we need to knock them off their overall game plan.


For the most part, I agree with you on the part about the Ravens not building around a quarterback. But, they're going to have to begin to do so soon, with Ed Reed contemplating retirement year after year, and Ray Lewis aging (albeit gracefully) the window of opportunity for building around those two is about to slam shut if it hasn't already. The Ravens will need to begin to assess the situation at hand, realize that nothing gold can stay (Outsiders ftw) and look to build around their offensive playmakers.

Moondog
07-09-2012, 10:05 AM
Flacco put a target on his back by proclaiming he's the best in the league or something to that extent. The best in the league do not need to proclaim anything, they just are. With that being said, I think Joe is ok, he got the best of the Steelers last year, but the Raven team as a whole, trips on the Steelers. After both Steeler games last year they lost to very sorry teams which would have given them homefield throughout the playoffs. Their focus was gone after the gatorade baths and another thing, Joe sucked against the Texans.

PS: I have not been on this site for awhile, it looks great!

BlitzburghRockCity
07-11-2012, 08:57 PM
Welcome back Moon!

Ive read this thread a few times since it was posted up and every time I see it makes me laugh. It doesn't matter what he does, the Raven's are not going to have complete faith in him to put him in the drivers seat of the offense like say, the Packers do with Rodgers. They'd rather play it safe. Until he shows he can win the big game in crunch time, things will never change. Dropped passes or not, he's still a choker when it comes right down to it.

Real Deal Steel
07-11-2012, 11:13 PM
Exactly. Mark our words,..flacco will be our bitch in full again next season.

ChucktownSteeler
07-12-2012, 07:44 AM
Flacco put a target on his back by proclaiming he's the best in the league or something to that extent. The best in the league do not need to proclaim anything, they just are. With that being said, I think Joe is ok, he got the best of the Steelers last year, but the Raven team as a whole, trips on the Steelers. After both Steeler games last year they lost to very sorry teams which would have given them homefield throughout the playoffs. Their focus was gone after the gatorade baths and another thing, Joe sucked against the Texans.

PS: I have not been on this site for awhile, it looks great!

Moondog - My home town is Howland! Welcome my friend!

LevonKirkland99
07-12-2012, 07:12 PM
Yeah, the Ravens just don't have faith in Flacco especially the OC...He still beat us twice last year, so hopefully this won't happen this year.

BlacknGoldHaze
07-13-2012, 12:20 AM
Same Flakeo....different result this year.......

Njsteelersnut
07-14-2012, 09:27 AM
Unibrow Joe and his 70's pornstar moustache will spening a lot of time picking himself up off the turf, with his aging line protecting him, and interceptions will be aplenty this year for the leagues self proclaimed best quarterback. That line will have issues this year and the Unibrow doesnt handle pressure well, and gets rattled when he gets knocked around.

Real Deal Steel
07-14-2012, 02:18 PM
That O-line is going to have real issues this coming season. And I believe it so much, that I've moved Ray Rice down on my fantasy draft board.

BlitzburghRockCity
07-14-2012, 09:26 PM
Being swept is more than enough motivation to take down Flacco. That's not happening this year. The AFC North belongs to the Steelers, pretenders like Flacco can step aside or be thrown aside.

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