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Speeed
06-19-2012, 02:49 PM
What is the actual expectation of Haley and the offense? What if the Steelers lose the first few games? What if the loses are high scoring games in the 30's, but the D gives it away? Or we if get blown out? Or if we lose low scoring games? There has been so much anticipation among us, myself included, that it got me thinking about this. Do we give him and the offense a year to acclimate? Or do we storm the castle ala' the peasants in Frankenstein?

I think a monkey could at least lead this offense to a .500 season, and Haley seems exponentially smarter. We do have a more demanding schedule this year, so maybe that is a consideration? My instinct says the offense will do well, especially if they can stay at %100. Regardless of how it turns out in the end, I think this will be one of the most interesting seasons we have had in a long time, there is much going on: a strong draft, new talent, new OC, Mendy being out, contract soap operas, etc., a unique year. I am hoping for the best. Any thoughts?

coldrolled
06-19-2012, 02:53 PM
Lets see we lost 35-7 last year...... So the defense sucked and the offense sucked??

K Train
06-19-2012, 02:53 PM
they play 4 pretty tough defenses in the first 5 weeks, none of them are exactly world beating defenses though.

I dont expect them to come out firing on all cylinders from day one, that would be nice but that almost never happens. If they win close games the first 3 weeks i would expect the offense to be hitting its stride after the bye week (regardless of the record, hopefully they dont struggle in the first few weeks but they certainly could)

Speeed
06-19-2012, 02:54 PM
Nobody can argue with that!


Lets see we lost 35-7 last year...... So the defense sucked and the offense sucked??

The Lakelander
06-19-2012, 03:40 PM
My take ... just support the damn offense ... I got so sick and tired of all the BA hate over at McMillen & Wife ... every admin there (and he knows exactly who I am refering to) pissed and moaned about BA for the entire time he was our OC ... that was FIVE YEARS worth of pissing and moaning over the guy ...

Be a fan ... support the team ...

The OC is (ultimately) hired by the Rooney's ... they are and ought to be given their due ...

If not the Rooney's, then the OC is hired by Tomlin ... he ought to be given his due as well ...

The BA hate was so far overblown and over-the-top that it was laughable ...

Give Haley a chance ... just like it was with BA, new systems require that teams add the right pieces to the puzzle ... it can take several seasons and several drafts to get the right players in place ... in Haley's case (hopefully) the players that are here will fit the bill ...

Speeed
06-19-2012, 03:42 PM
Great points, and I agree for the most part. I personally did not despise Arians, but a change is nice. I just think his approach was getting stale.


My take ... just support the damn offense ... I got so sick and tired of all the BA hate over at McMillen & Wife ... every admin there (and he knows exactly who I am refering to) pissed and moaned about BA for the entire time he was our OC ... that was FIVE YEARS worth of pissing and moaning over the guy ...

Be a fan ... support the team ...

The OC is (ultimately) hired by the Rooney's ... they are and ought to be given their due ...

If not the Rooney's, then the OC is hired by Tomlin ... he ought to be given his due as well ...

The BA hate was so far overblown and over-the-top that it was laughable ...

Give Haley a chance ... just like it was with BA, new systems require that teams add the right pieces to the puzzle ... it can take several seasons and several drafts to get the right players in place ... in Haley's case (hopefully) the players that are here will fit the bill ...

K Train
06-19-2012, 03:57 PM
My take ... just support the damn offense ... I got so sick and tired of all the BA hate over at McMillen & Wife ... every admin there (and he knows exactly who I am refering to) pissed and moaned about BA for the entire time he was our OC ... that was FIVE YEARS worth of pissing and moaning over the guy ...

Be a fan ... support the team ...

The OC is (ultimately) hired by the Rooney's ... they are and ought to be given their due ...

If not the Rooney's, then the OC is hired by Tomlin ... he ought to be given his due as well ...

The BA hate was so far overblown and over-the-top that it was laughable ...

Give Haley a chance ... just like it was with BA, new systems require that teams add the right pieces to the puzzle ... it can take several seasons and several drafts to get the right players in place ... in Haley's case (hopefully) the players that are here will fit the bill ...
"be a fan support the team"

what are you the fan police? they make questionable moves all the time, you dont have to be a blind lover of the steelers to love the steelers. I personally always want them to be better, im not sure thats the damning quality you make it out to be.

i was never really an avid BA hater, i didnt like him, i thought he was a **** poor gameplanner, and i never thought he should have gotten the job. but through his tenure here i blame tomlin for being a ***** and not firing him all the chances he had. I dont think either one of them are good offensive minds...tomlin being a defensive guy and BA really being a good positional coach (specifically QB). Gameplanning and offensive x's and o's really arent their forte. A lot of questionable calls and offensive sputtering under arians, we can at least agree on that.

Im excited about haley, i wanted him BAD when they were doing the interview process....i love what he brings to the table. If the steelers can be competive and consistantly win with poor play calling, that says a ton about their talent on offense. To hone that talent and maximize it is what i eventually expect haley to do. Id love to see him do it from day one, but we need modest expectations....i just think theres reason to be excited as well

The Lakelander
06-19-2012, 04:55 PM
"be a fan support the team"

what are you the fan police? they make questionable moves all the time, you dont have to be a blind lover of the steelers to love the steelers.


:nono:

My point ... STFU and be a FAN ... because in the end, that's ALL you are ...

Every team, every coach, every player has their flaws ...

Whining and crying, pissing and moaning ... :cursin: ... it gets old coming from grown men ...

:2cents:

JensK
06-19-2012, 06:22 PM
:nono:

My point ... STFU and be a FAN ... because in the end, that's ALL you are ...

Every team, every coach, every player has their flaws ...

Whining and crying, pissing and moaning ... :cursin: ... it gets old coming from grown men ...

:2cents:

This is obviously a returning subject on this forum which is kind of ironic in a sense. If we are not to question some of the moves made by the team, why would you have a forum in the first place? I understand your point that constant whining gets old, but I'll guarantee that a forum where everything was awesome would get old much faster; I mean, there is only so much good which can be said about the same team.

BlitzburghRockCity
06-19-2012, 06:47 PM
There is going to be some rough spots especially early in the seas. We will have to be patient as the players adjust to the games with the new offense especially in key situations. Remember, in what we see as a missed opportunity may very be poor execution.

Haley has a proven track record of good offenses.

- From BRC's Droid Bionic of Coolness

Black@Gold Forever32
06-19-2012, 07:26 PM
Im excited about haley, i wanted him BAD when they were doing the interview process....i love what he brings to the table. If the steelers can be competive and consistantly win with poor play calling, that says a ton about their talent on offense. To hone that talent and maximize it is what i eventually expect haley to do. Id love to see him do it from day one, but we need modest expectations....i just think theres reason to be excited as well

well said Ktrain....well said.......I'm excited about the offense under Todd Haley....I just hope Art II just backs off and lets the coaches coach.........

NorCalSteel
06-19-2012, 07:56 PM
If they score touchdowns I will be happy having huge numbers on offense and no points is not a win in my book. Watching the Steelers offense work in some games last year(over the last few) is kind of like having teeth pulled..lol. I would love to have our Offense be able to run out a game clock like it used to be able to. I can see why the Steelers made the move, the scoring just has not been there when you look at time of possession totals and yardage totals..

gtadroptop
06-19-2012, 08:27 PM
Beat the Rat Birds, Clowns, and Bungles on a successful Seventh Heaven run and Haley will be a God to Steeler Nation.

BlitzburghRockCity
06-19-2012, 08:50 PM
How close did the Cards come to beating us in the Super Bowl, how good of a running game did the Chiefs have? The Steelers offense has the chance to break out of the mold of inconsistent mediocrity and really show what all these weapons are capable of. Even if Ben did throw for 4K and both Wallace and Brown had over 1000 yds receiving, they never reached their full potential consistently. That's what I'm looking forward to the most, consistent offense.


Beat the Rat Birds, Clowns, and Bungles on a successful Seventh Heaven run and Haley will be a God to Steeler Nation.

All he has to do to be a god to the Steeler Nation is to not throw bubble screens and not call a delayed draw at our 5 yd. line. LOL

Root4Stlrs
06-19-2012, 09:00 PM
As long as Ben is playing QB we have a chance for a run at 7. I AM looking forward to a more enjoyable season in terms of the red zone offense. It was painful to watch at times last year (as someone said above like pulling teeth). I wanted them to hire Haley so I am cautiously optimistic but have been disappointed before so hard to commit right now.

The Lakelander
06-19-2012, 09:12 PM
This is obviously a returning subject on this forum which is kind of ironic in a sense. If we are not to question some of the moves made by the team, why would you have a forum in the first place? I understand your point that constant whining gets old, but I'll guarantee that a forum where everything was awesome would get old much faster; I mean, there is only so much good which can be said about the same team.


Criticism is normal. Disappointment is expected in a league where there's one champion and 31 wannabees ...

That's the fun of it ...

But to **** every time you post into the collective Wheaties of a fan forum over your relentless hatred for a coach, his schemes, his playcalling ... and to do it ceaselessly for 5 straight seasons ... that's just sad ... and THAT was my experience for the last 5 Steelers seasons ...

coldrolled
06-20-2012, 08:04 AM
I Love BA's new position... When will David Johnson be a Colt in August?

The Lakelander
06-20-2012, 08:38 AM
I Love BA's new position... When will David Johnson be a Colt in August?


David Johnson, Carey Davis, Najeh Davenport, Matt Spaeth, Sean McHugh, ... there was a whole lot to be head scratching about regarding BA's personnel decisions ...

But we won a Super Bowl and went to another under his offense ... which is more than can be said about several of his predecessors.

coldrolled
06-20-2012, 08:41 AM
Fifteen years and Cowher won a SB with Ben too....

Its Ben... It wasnt BA... You will see in Indy.. Luck will die on the vine..

The Lakelander
06-20-2012, 08:48 AM
I'm anxious to see. I'm actually pulling for BA. He's not a bad person.

Steelers fans have an extraordinary ability to demand the best ... almost a selfish entitlement ...

Well, BA's Super Bowl Ring came with Spaeth, Davis, McHugh and Davenport holding positions on his offense ... talk about getting the most with the least ... BA sure did!

BlitzburghRockCity
06-20-2012, 08:57 AM
I think we'll all be watching BA's career in Indy, whether it's because we hate him and we want him to fail or because he's a former Steeler and therefore we'll pull for him to excel.


I'm just waiting for the first time Haley actually calls a bubble screen, everyone is going to go ape ****! :lol:

The Lakelander
06-20-2012, 08:59 AM
I'm just waiting for the first time Haley actually calls a bubble screen, everyone is going to go ape ****! :lol:

:lol:

:yellowthumb:

No doubt ...

K Train
06-20-2012, 09:22 AM
I'm anxious to see. I'm actually pulling for BA. He's not a bad person.

Steelers fans have an extraordinary ability to demand the best ... almost a selfish entitlement ...

Well, BA's Super Bowl Ring came with Spaeth, Davis, McHugh and Davenport holding positions on his offense ... talk about getting the most with the least ... BA sure did!
you act like they played huge roles, spaeth was a good blocker back then and regressed after...he never had anything to do with the passing game, and davenport was a good back but was not on the roster in 2005 or 2008, davenport actually played very well for us i always liked him but he wasnt on any of the superbowl rosters. so there goes that

FeelSteel
06-20-2012, 09:25 AM
I think Ben is a baller, but I obviously don't think he's the brightest crayon in the box. I mean, he just isn't the smartest guy. I love Ben, he's an awesome QB, but I think he's going to have some growing pains wrapping his head around the offense.

With that said, I expect year two to be a much smoother looking offense. However, I am excited to see what we do with it this year.

K Train
06-20-2012, 09:28 AM
I think Ben is a baller, but I obviously don't think he's the brightest crayon in the box. I mean, he just isn't the smartest guy. I love Ben, he's an awesome QB, but I think he's going to have some growing pains wrapping his head around the offense.

With that said, I expect year two to be a much smoother looking offense. However, I am excited to see what we do with it this year.
they arent asking him to do calculus, playing football is the one thing he should be able to wrap his head around, hes only been doing it his whole life. i am not worried about his transition really

The Lakelander
06-20-2012, 09:52 AM
you act like they played huge roles, spaeth was a good blocker back then and regressed after...he never had anything to do with the passing game, and davenport was a good back but was not on the roster in 2005 or 2008, davenport actually played very well for us i always liked him but he wasnt on any of the superbowl rosters. so there goes that

Let me offer my first heavy dose of STFU to you K Train ... "you act like" ... Well YOU act like a C-nut!

All I was suggesting is that Davenport, Spaeth, McHugh and Davis were on the roster ... they collectively played a role ... a team is only as strong as it's depth ...

Davenport played 4 games in 2008 ...

Spaeth was drafted because of his receiving skills ... not because of his blocking skills ... He was never a good blocker ...

Now STFU already!

K Train
06-20-2012, 10:02 AM
Let me offer my first heavy dose of STFU to you K Train ... "you act like" ... Well YOU act like a C-nut!

All I was suggesting is that Davenport, Spaeth, McHugh and Davis were on the roster ... they collectively played a role ... a team is only as strong as it's depth ...

Davenport played 4 games in 2008 ...

Spaeth was drafted because of his receiving skills ... not because of his blocking skills ... He was never a good blocker ...

Now STFU already!

yeah 4 games, not the superbowl. and spaeth was drafted because hes was a giant, at 6-7 he was a good prospect to work with his hands were always abysmal. He came out his rookie year and was a tremendous blocker, it was like having an extra tackle the way he played most of the time. He regressed hard as a blocker though and became expendable because he was such a terrible receiving TE.

they won the superbowl in 08 in spite of arians, not because of him. calm down, i didnt mean to make you e-cry

LatrobePA
06-20-2012, 10:26 AM
Let me offer my first heavy dose of STFU to you K Train ... "you act like" ... Well YOU act like a C-nut!

All I was suggesting is that Davenport, Spaeth, McHugh and Davis were on the roster ... they collectively played a role ... a team is only as strong as it's depth ...

Davenport played 4 games in 2008 ...

Spaeth was drafted because of his receiving skills ... not because of his blocking skills ... He was never a good blocker ...

Now STFU already!


Oh boy another internet tough guy! Thicken up man! BA fn sucked *** and had NO clue! If it wasn't for Ben running around for his life extending BA's ****** play selection this team would of been dead in the water years ago!

Real Deal Steel
06-20-2012, 10:41 AM
they play 4 pretty tough defenses in the first 5 weeks, none of them are exactly world beating defenses though.

I dont expect them to come out firing on all cylinders from day one, that would be nice but that almost never happens. If they win close games the first 3 weeks i would expect the offense to be hitting its stride after the bye week (regardless of the record, hopefully they dont struggle in the first few weeks but they certainly could)


This is how I pretty much see it. I"d love for the offense to be hitting on all cylinders from game one but that is being unrealistic.

Raleigh Steel
06-20-2012, 02:35 PM
Q: So Addicts, What Do We Say About Haley If The Offense Struggles:

A: if were 4 games in and scoring 20 points a game i'll be a bit disappointed but will show patience for a new system with some new players. besides it wouldn't be worse than what we had. if were 5 seasons in and still scoring 20 points a game then i'll be calling for his head like i did for BA's.

steelchamp204
06-20-2012, 02:50 PM
I know one thing, we wont be saying " I wish BA was back" :)

connecticutsteel
06-20-2012, 04:06 PM
I think the offense will do fine they will run the ball early because that will be our strength with Pounce and Buzz Lightyear paving the way and by week 4 or 5 we will be more balanced .If they struggle then it will be a long year but i doubt they will cause we upgraded personel on the most important part of the offense the O-Line

P.S OH YEA I FORGOT EVERYONE STFU AND JUST BE A FAN

FeelSteel
06-21-2012, 11:00 AM
they arent asking him to do calculus, playing football is the one thing he should be able to wrap his head around, hes only been doing it his whole life. i am not worried about his transition really

Yea, and you would think he could've wrapped his head around not putting himself in situations to be accused of repeat offenses, but...

At any event, I hope you're right and it's not problem.

TarlsQtr
06-21-2012, 01:11 PM
I'm anxious to see. I'm actually pulling for BA. He's not a bad person.

Steelers fans have an extraordinary ability to demand the best ... almost a selfish entitlement ...

Well, BA's Super Bowl Ring came with Spaeth, Davis, McHugh and Davenport holding positions on his offense ... talk about getting the most with the least ... BA sure did!

Not to mention a horrid offensive line (which explains all of the bubble screens and draw plays people whined continuously about). I am not a great fan of BA but he was not Joe Walton either.

JensK
06-21-2012, 03:30 PM
Yea, and you would think he could've wrapped his head around not putting himself in situations to be accused of repeat offenses, but...

At any event, I hope you're right and it's not problem.

There is a difference between football and how he conducts himself outside the field

strummerfan
06-21-2012, 04:22 PM
I think the offense will do fine they will run the ball early because that will be our strength with Pounce and Buzz Lightyear paving the way and by week 4 or 5 we will be more balanced .If they struggle then it will be a long year but i doubt they will cause we upgraded personel on the most important part of the offense the O-Line

P.S OH YEA I FORGOT EVERYONE STFU AND JUST BE A FAN

Our new offensive line hasn't even practiced in pads yet. We probably shouldn't go crowning them the 2nd coming of the Hogs yet.

steelspikes
06-21-2012, 04:26 PM
In 2011, only ten NFL teams scored fewer points-per-game (ppg.) than the Steelers. They were outscored by two teams with rookie QBs (including one in their own division), and by one team with no QB: the Oakland Raiders. This happened in Arians' fifth year as Steeler OC and is the reason he was canned.
My expectation for 2012 is that the offense will average at least 23-25 ppg. But I am hoping they will outdo that. 26-28 ppg. would be outstanding. Would love to see a top ten scoring offense in tandem with our historically stingy defense. Am tired of watching a Steeler offense that struggles to eke out wins, week after week, against mediocre teams.

ChucktownSteeler
06-21-2012, 05:20 PM
In 2011, only ten NFL teams scored fewer points-per-game (ppg.) than the Steelers. They were outscored by two teams with rookie QBs (including one in their own division), and by one team with no QB: the Oakland Raiders. This happened in Arians' fifth year as Steeler OC and is the reason he was canned.
My expectation for 2012 is that the offense will average at least 23-25 ppg. But I am hoping they will outdo that. 26-28 ppg. would be outstanding. Would love to see a top ten scoring offense in tandem with our historically stingy defense. Am tired of watching a Steeler offense that struggles to eke out wins, week after week, against mediocre teams.

I know what you are saying, but you have to also factor in the defense's inability at time to get off the field and a severe drought in the form of turn-overs. The offense was never handed a short field and I believe they had the lowest or one of the lowest amount of starting drives in the NFL.

There is pleny of room for improvement on both sides of the ball. Just sayin'

C-town

connecticutsteel
06-21-2012, 06:57 PM
Our new offensive line hasn't even practiced in pads yet. We probably shouldn't go crowning them the 2nd coming of the Hogs yet.
I'M NOT CROWNING ANYONE I SAID THEY WILL DO FINE i never said pro bowl?

strummerfan
06-21-2012, 07:07 PM
I'M NOT CROWNING ANYONE I SAID THEY WILL DO FINE i never said pro bowl?

I was commenting on your assessment that we upgraded. WHile I hope we have, it's entirely possible that one or both end up being busts.

Nolrog
06-21-2012, 07:59 PM
So Addicts, What Do We Say About Haley If The Offense Struggles

Starting already? Geeze, they haven't even had a practice yet. Let alone a pre-season game and you're already harping on the offense. Unbelievable.

connecticutsteel
06-22-2012, 07:55 AM
no chance DeCastro is a bust