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K Train
04-25-2012, 12:19 PM
I went 3/3 in the first 3 rounds last years....last year is going to be so difficult to top, but heres my write up about what i think should happen combined with what i think will happen

I honestly have a bad feeling about this first pick

1) Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin

Well i should be hammered by pick 24, and thats probably a good thing because i do not like this pick at all, it doesnt make me permanently hate zeitler, a fate suffered by much of the 09 draft class but it will make me sad. I do not think theres value here for a guard of zeitlers caliber. I actually think this is taking him a full round too early, but that being said going into the 2012 season with doug legursky as the starting LG again just makes my stomach churn. I think zeitler will be a fine player, but im not sold on him being anything more than a middle of the pack guard (unfortunately middle of the pack is a huge upgrade for us)

Dream Pick: David Decastro
Possible better picks: Cordy Glenn, Dontari Poe
Picks i wouldnt mind: Donta Hightower, Mark Barron, stephen hill, Coby Fleener, Nick Perry, Bobby Massie
Picks i hate: Jonathan Marin, Jerel Worthy

2) Mike Adams OT Ohio State

Heres something that would excite me. OMG HE FAILED A DRUG TEST?!?! I dont care, and in the second round i dont think the steelers will either. Weed simply is not a deal breaker in the NFL anymore. Had the league took the hard stance on marijuana the league would have had to shut down. Adams is a smart kid, like actually intelligent. It wasnt the best choice for him to smoke prior to the combine but the steelers have had several meetings at the combine, OSU pro day, and personal visit/workout. Im can imagine theyd be too deterred from the report of a failed test...if they like him, they probably still do. He has elite size and he had a pretty great season. Could play on the left or the right side, but definitely looks the part of a LT. He had some great senior bowl practices and looked good in the drills at the combine (not the best triangle numbers, but 6-8 guys arent bench pressers). Santonio Holmes (i still miss him) was a dick and a bad team mate, but the steelers definitely got a return on investment with him in that they got the best out of him before they moved him. Adams could very well fall to the bottom of the second, but i think it would be difficult for the steelers to pass on such a intriguing specimen here.

He may not fall this far, but im predicting a bit of a slide.

Other possible picks: Amini Silatolu, Mychal Kendricks, Brandon Brooks, Alemeda Taamu, Mohamed Sanu, Ashlon Jeffrey, Kelechi Osemele

3) Isaiah Pead RB Cincy

If pead is here i fully expect him to the pick. I really do like Pead and i like that hes not getting too much attention because he is probably capable of coming in and being a day one contributor. The steelers situation at RB is abysmal....i like dwyer but who knows with him, and then we have clay and redman who are about as fast as guards, and we have batch who is a 3rd down back whos never had a real action NFL carry. Pead spells the end of mendenhall, hes not as good but hes has some great tools to work with and his decisive running style and his vision reminds me of lesean mccoy.

Other possiblities: Brandon Washington, Bobby Wagner, Brandon Boykin, Mitchell Schwartz, Greg Childs, Jared Crick

4) Josh Chapman NT Alabama

Solid, tough player that did all the dirty work for that elite alabama defense. Played all year on a bum knee and has some teams concerned medically, but in round 4 hes worth this pick. Hes very stout, very disciplined, and wins battles in the trenches. Hes powerful and isnt really only a two down player imo, he has some pocket collapsing ability. Would be a tremendous replacement for hampton

other picks: Hebron Fangupu, TY Hilton, Joe Adams

5) Chase Minnifield

Excellent zone corner prospect, could also get some action at FS. Had microfracture surgery but imo was better than chris cook and ras-i dowling. Very natural cover skills, return ability, and top notch ball skills. Makes big plays both as a CB and as a return man. Falls a bit because of a somewhat deep corner class and his injury concerns, but we dont need an immediate contributor at CB....realistically i like him as Keenan Lewis's replacement

6) Devier Posey WR Ohio State

Im actually surprised hes not a higher ranked WR, but thats what suspensions and inconsistency will do to you. WR is a need here, i think he could come in and be an insurance policy against losing wallace or having him not care or play. Worht a late round flyer, was a top recruit and showed some flashes at Ohio State during his limited time there

7) Vontaze Burfict

Breaks my heart to see this historically bad plummet down draft boards....steelers could definitely harness his talent though, hes on field crazy and needs work and needs to be in better shape but he showed TONS of potential two years ago, he had a down year....id like to think hes not willing to fall off the face of the football world, hes too talented to just let sit there. This is a strategy to get him away from the ravens...agree or not, they are going to be interested in bring in the guy who was supposed to be the next ray lewis to learn from ray lewis.

7) Chad Deihl

Hes a big disciplined blocking FB that doesn miss assignments and destroys the hole. Haley does like the FB, he went after leron Mcclain when he was in KC so maybe bringing in a true FB is more likely now than it has been over the last 5 years.

7) Greg Zuerlein K Missouri western state

Im mocking a kicker here every year until we find one. Bring him in to compete...its worth it

cbrunn
04-25-2012, 12:48 PM
you have another 7th ... they have 4 7th round picks

If the draft played out like this i would be real happy ...

i actually like Zeitler in the 1st now i don't think he's a left guard , but he's excellent on the right side and a beast run blocking , not the best in space as showed in 1 on 1 drills but as a team he shines...
great value with Adams in the 2nd if he falls that far ...and love chapman in the 4th

and you picked the right kicker ...Zuerlein is the best kicker in the draft, maybe the best kicker in a while

K Train
04-25-2012, 12:55 PM
if zeitler is a RG only idk what that makes doug legursky lol

K Train
04-25-2012, 01:35 PM
edit:

Watch out for Alabama LB Jerell Harris in the 6th or 7th round. Special teamer with some upside, especially if they miss on teammate Hightower. Reminds me of Josh Bynes from Auburn

Taze failed a drug test, im removing him from my rankings all together, id be shocked if hes on a roster....ever

JollyRob68
04-25-2012, 02:05 PM
Nice. Would you take Bobby Massie in the first? I'm all for trading down and getting the extra 2nd & 3rd or 2nd & 4th.

K Train
04-25-2012, 02:11 PM
yeah id probably be ok with massie at 24, trading down is touchy for me. i want either a next year first or this year seconds. trading down for 4th-7ths just isnt worth it at all to me.

massie has work to do but he definitely has a lot of potential

JollyRob68
04-25-2012, 02:15 PM
yeah id probably be ok with massie at 24, trading down is touchy for me. i want either a next year first or this year seconds. trading down for 4th-7ths just isnt worth it at all to me.

massie has work to do but he definitely has a lot of potential

a 2nd & 3rd could give us A Guard,Tackle,RB & NT or TWo Guard,RB,FS. NT in 4th

K Train
04-25-2012, 02:25 PM
could, but it could also give us too many developmental guys or bums that wont make the roster. this team needs quality.... quantity is not what we need since most of the roster is already quality, middle of the pack rookies arent going to be able to compete for playing time early. Not many huge holes like some teams, we dont need extra picks we need good pick

1 decastro>>>>>>>>>>>3-4 2nd and 3rd round picks

thats an extreme example, but the team is talented with a few holes and a few depth needs to prevent them from becoming holes in the future

JollyRob68
04-25-2012, 02:36 PM
could, but it could also give us too many developmental guys or bums that wont make the roster. this team needs quality.... quantity is not what we need since most of the roster is already quality, middle of the pack rookies arent going to be able to compete for playing time early. Not many huge holes like some teams, we dont need extra picks we need good pick

1 decastro>>>>>>>>>>>3-4 2nd and 3rd round picks

thats an extreme example, but the team is talented with a few holes and a few depth needs to prevent them from becoming holes in the future

JEn K asked that question about moving up for Decastro if he was at 17. THat makes sense. I just looked at it as we can get we can get your 2nd,3rd,4th round mock picks plus another Brooks, Osemele or Massie. Just what I'm thinking.

cbrunn
04-25-2012, 03:30 PM
Massie, Zeitler or Massie, Brooks or Massie, Washington combo >>>>>>>> just Decastro

or any combo of the 2nd round tackles and guards

tburg68
04-25-2012, 05:09 PM
Two OL in the first two rounds is my preferred draft. This offense becomes legendary with a Stud OL. That being said, if a player such as Poe drops to 24 the Steelers HAVE to take him. Too much value to pass on. I am also against taking an OL at 24 just to take one. Zeitler is worth that pick. I would much rather see the Steelers take Hightower if he is on the board at that pick than Zeitler. My dream would be Glenn/Brooks in round 1 & 2, but I don't want to see a position reach just for the sake of picking a position.

K Train
04-25-2012, 05:35 PM
Massie, Zeitler or Massie, Brooks or Massie, Washington combo >>>>>>>> just Decastro

or any combo of the 2nd round tackles and guards

could not disagree more. massie, brooks, and washington all need a ton of work and are going to be drafted on potential. decastro is already a world beater and if you put him next to pouncey you can watch the holes come blasting wide open on the interior line and watch gilbert and colon look like all pros.

not saying brooks cant be the next carl nicks, but hes also an awful lot like ramon foster. Massie is so raw, has tools and size but for all his potential he could end up being winston justice. decastro is as close to a sure thing as you are going to get.

a combo of like cordy glenn and mike adams over decastro maybe, but not any combo of two of who you metioned....not even in the same universe

Reg3835
04-25-2012, 06:52 PM
Zeitler w/the 24th pick is a huge reach. If you really want a guard and DeCastro and Glenn are gone, trade the pick for a 2nd and 3rd. With the first pick in the 2nd round choose either Zeitler, Konz, Silatolu, Brooks. Plus you pick up a 3rd rounder. You can't reach for need in round 1.

cbrunn
04-25-2012, 07:49 PM
there are reports that Zeitler is the better blocking guard then Decastro... but let's try this scenario

so lets say decastro falls to like 18...we trade our 1st and 3rd to move up and grab him ...that's 900 points both on the trade value chart

and lets say Zeitler falls to 46 ...we trade our 2nd , 4th, 5th, 6th and grab him ... there both 440 points on the value ...

we trade all of our picks but for 7th rounders ... but now our Oline goes from a weakness and turns into a strength ...with 2 day 1 starters

lol i wouldn't be mad ... but i know it will never happen

that's Decastro as LG and Zeitler as the RG

K Train
04-25-2012, 08:32 PM
ha i wish it worked like that

JollyRob68
04-26-2012, 10:16 AM
there are reports that Zeitler is the better blocking guard then Decastro... but let's try this scenario

so lets say decastro falls to like 18...we trade our 1st and 3rd to move up and grab him ...that's 900 points both on the trade value chart

and lets say Zeitler falls to 46 ...we trade our 2nd , 4th, 5th, 6th and grab him ... there both 440 points on the value ...

we trade all of our picks but for 7th rounders ... but now our Oline goes from a weakness and turns into a strength ...with 2 day 1 starters

lol i wouldn't be mad ... but i know it will never happen

that's Decastro as LG and Zeitler as the RG

If you had Decastro you could wait and get a Ryan Miller from Colorado or Joe Looney who is a forgotten man from WF. I'd just grab Tom Compton Later in 5th or 6st.

JollyRob68
04-26-2012, 10:19 AM
MAYOCK HAD GLENN AS THE PICK. BOTH GLENN & POE ON THE BOARD WHO DO YOU TAKE?

K Train
04-26-2012, 10:27 AM
Glenn and Poe on the board.....UGH id be going CRAZY

I think the steelers have poe higher, i think id take glenn. But id be a happy happy man

SteelDad
04-26-2012, 12:05 PM
Train, I feel the exact same way about our first round pick. I just can't find a guy that really excites me whereas there are lots of guys that I will definitely be against us picking.

K Train
04-26-2012, 12:06 PM
theres only 2-3 that im passionately against where its on a hateful level. a few would make me sad though

JollyRob68
04-26-2012, 12:41 PM
Glenn and Poe on the board.....UGH id be going CRAZY

I think the steelers have poe higher, i think id take glenn. But id be a happy happy man

They were showing Glenn in some clips and I now understand why he's called a tweener. He looks like he's uncomfortable in his three point stance and because he's nimble he over shoots his blocks and looks awkward. The same can be said for POe. They dont plow into people.
Poe looks like he needs to be coached how to play football and John Mitchell will unleash him.(Very Excited for that)
Glenn, I think Coach Kugler would make him a monster.
I still think Reiff is going to fall and then it depends on who's rated higher. Reiff(LT/RT),Glenn(RT,LG/RG),Poe(NT/5Tech).

cbrunn
04-26-2012, 01:35 PM
if Reiff falls and they don't take him ... i'd be highly upset

K Train
04-26-2012, 01:50 PM
They were showing Glenn in some clips and I now understand why he's called a tweener. He looks like he's uncomfortable in his three point stance and because he's nimble he over shoots his blocks and looks awkward. The same can be said for POe. They dont plow into people.
Poe looks like he needs to be coached how to play football and John Mitchell will unleash him.(Very Excited for that)
Glenn, I think Coach Kugler would make him a monster.
I still think Reiff is going to fall and then it depends on who's rated higher. Reiff(LT/RT),Glenn(RT,LG/RG),Poe(NT/5Tech).
glenn as a guard is an absoulte monster. He looked a little uncomfortable at LT but thats to be expected..

poe just needs coaching to harness that delicious first step and he will dominate....watching the memphis defense just doesnt do him justice

coach
04-26-2012, 02:59 PM
I went 3/3 in the first 3 rounds last years....last year is going to be so difficult to top, but heres my write up about what i think should happen combined with what i think will happen

I honestly have a bad feeling about this first pick

1) Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin

Well i should be hammered by pick 24, and thats probably a good thing because i do not like this pick at all, it doesnt make me permanently hate zeitler, a fate suffered by much of the 09 draft class but it will make me sad. I do not think theres value here for a guard of zeitlers caliber. I actually think this is taking him a full round too early, but that being said going into the 2012 season with doug legursky as the starting LG again just makes my stomach churn. I think zeitler will be a fine player, but im not sold on him being anything more than a middle of the pack guard (unfortunately middle of the pack is a huge upgrade for us)

Dream Pick: David Decastro
Possible better picks: Cordy Glenn, Dontari Poe
Picks i wouldnt mind: Donta Hightower, Mark Barron, stephen hill, Coby Fleener, Nick Perry, Bobby Massie
Picks i hate: Jonathan Marin, Jerel Worthy

2) Mike Adams OT Ohio State

Heres something that would excite me. OMG HE FAILED A DRUG TEST?!?! I dont care, and in the second round i dont think the steelers will either. Weed simply is not a deal breaker in the NFL anymore. Had the league took the hard stance on marijuana the league would have had to shut down. Adams is a smart kid, like actually intelligent. It wasnt the best choice for him to smoke prior to the combine but the steelers have had several meetings at the combine, OSU pro day, and personal visit/workout. Im can imagine theyd be too deterred from the report of a failed test...if they like him, they probably still do. He has elite size and he had a pretty great season. Could play on the left or the right side, but definitely looks the part of a LT. He had some great senior bowl practices and looked good in the drills at the combine (not the best triangle numbers, but 6-8 guys arent bench pressers). Santonio Holmes (i still miss him) was a dick and a bad team mate, but the steelers definitely got a return on investment with him in that they got the best out of him before they moved him. Adams could very well fall to the bottom of the second, but i think it would be difficult for the steelers to pass on such a intriguing specimen here.

He may not fall this far, but im predicting a bit of a slide.

Other possible picks: Amini Silatolu, Mychal Kendricks, Brandon Brooks, Alemeda Taamu, Mohamed Sanu, Ashlon Jeffrey, Kelechi Osemele

3) Isaiah Pead RB Cincy

If pead is here i fully expect him to the pick. I really do like Pead and i like that hes not getting too much attention because he is probably capable of coming in and being a day one contributor. The steelers situation at RB is abysmal....i like dwyer but who knows with him, and then we have clay and redman who are about as fast as guards, and we have batch who is a 3rd down back whos never had a real action NFL carry. Pead spells the end of mendenhall, hes not as good but hes has some great tools to work with and his decisive running style and his vision reminds me of lesean mccoy.

Other possiblities: Brandon Washington, Bobby Wagner, Brandon Boykin, Mitchell Schwartz, Greg Childs, Jared Crick

4) Josh Chapman NT Alabama

Solid, tough player that did all the dirty work for that elite alabama defense. Played all year on a bum knee and has some teams concerned medically, but in round 4 hes worth this pick. Hes very stout, very disciplined, and wins battles in the trenches. Hes powerful and isnt really only a two down player imo, he has some pocket collapsing ability. Would be a tremendous replacement for hampton

other picks: Hebron Fangupu, TY Hilton, Joe Adams

5) Chase Minnifield

Excellent zone corner prospect, could also get some action at FS. Had microfracture surgery but imo was better than chris cook and ras-i dowling. Very natural cover skills, return ability, and top notch ball skills. Makes big plays both as a CB and as a return man. Falls a bit because of a somewhat deep corner class and his injury concerns, but we dont need an immediate contributor at CB....realistically i like him as Keenan Lewis's replacement

6) Devier Posey WR Ohio State

Im actually surprised hes not a higher ranked WR, but thats what suspensions and inconsistency will do to you. WR is a need here, i think he could come in and be an insurance policy against losing wallace or having him not care or play. Worht a late round flyer, was a top recruit and showed some flashes at Ohio State during his limited time there

7) Vontaze Burfict

Breaks my heart to see this historically bad plummet down draft boards....steelers could definitely harness his talent though, hes on field crazy and needs work and needs to be in better shape but he showed TONS of potential two years ago, he had a down year....id like to think hes not willing to fall off the face of the football world, hes too talented to just let sit there. This is a strategy to get him away from the ravens...agree or not, they are going to be interested in bring in the guy who was supposed to be the next ray lewis to learn from ray lewis.

7) Chad Deihl

Hes a big disciplined blocking FB that doesn miss assignments and destroys the hole. Haley does like the FB, he went after leron Mcclain when he was in KC so maybe bringing in a true FB is more likely now than it has been over the last 5 years.

7) Greg Zuerlein K Missouri western state

Im mocking a kicker here every year until we find one. Bring him in to compete...its worth it

I love these guys and I never get more than one right in the whole draft. But, I would be nervous going all O with the first 3 picks and waiting til 4th to address D, just in case someone jumps on Chapman ahead of us. If Hightower is on the board, I think they take him over any of the O- line prospects. I did say the other day we would take Taze in 7th if nobody else does.

coldrolled
04-26-2012, 03:28 PM
I like Burfict in the 6th

Carson Wiggs Kicker in the 7th

Kellen Moore QB in the 7th

K Train
04-27-2012, 11:16 AM
I went 3/3 in the first 3 rounds last years....last year is going to be so difficult to top, but heres my write up about what i think should happen combined with what i think will happen

I honestly have a bad feeling about this first pick

1) Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin

Well i should be hammered by pick 24, and thats probably a good thing because i do not like this pick at all, it doesnt make me permanently hate zeitler, a fate suffered by much of the 09 draft class but it will make me sad. I do not think theres value here for a guard of zeitlers caliber. I actually think this is taking him a full round too early, but that being said going into the 2012 season with doug legursky as the starting LG again just makes my stomach churn. I think zeitler will be a fine player, but im not sold on him being anything more than a middle of the pack guard (unfortunately middle of the pack is a huge upgrade for us)

Dream Pick: David Decastro
Possible better picks: Cordy Glenn, Dontari Poe
Picks i wouldnt mind: Donta Hightower, Mark Barron, stephen hill, Coby Fleener, Nick Perry, Bobby Massie
Picks i hate: Jonathan Marin, Jerel Worthy



oh yes, dream pick...i never get that lol

BlitzburghRockCity
04-27-2012, 11:29 AM
Maybe you get 50% credit for that 1st round selection..lol

Adams, Brooks, Ta'amu, or Oesemele would be money here. You can't have too much offensive line though as far as I'm concerned, it's high time to focus on it.

JollyRob68
04-27-2012, 11:32 AM
oh yes, dream pick...i never get that lol

I think all of our Dreams came true. Now can we get up to the beginning of this round and grab Silatolu,Glenn,Massie or UPshaw,Fleener.
I say Fleener because he's rated as the Best TE and that would be another Two #1 prospects back to back.
If we stand Pat at 56 then Adams will fall,Brooks will be there, maybe Alameda Ta'Amu,Mike Martin or RB Lamar Miller,Isaiah Peads/LeMichael James(a little early but Haley took McCluster in 2nd).

JollyRob68
04-27-2012, 11:34 AM
Maybe you get 50% credit for that 1st round selection..lol

Adams, Brooks, Ta'amu, or Oesemele would be money here. You can't have too much offensive line though as far as I'm concerned, it's high time to focus on it.

Agreed.

K Train
04-27-2012, 08:50 PM
Dream Pick: David Decastro

2) Mike Adams OT Ohio State

Heres something that would excite me. OMG HE FAILED A DRUG TEST?!?! I dont care, and in the second round i dont think the steelers will either. Weed simply is not a deal breaker in the NFL anymore. Had the league took the hard stance on marijuana the league would have had to shut down. Adams is a smart kid, like actually intelligent. It wasnt the best choice for him to smoke prior to the combine but the steelers have had several meetings at the combine, OSU pro day, and personal visit/workout. Im can imagine theyd be too deterred from the report of a failed test...if they like him, they probably still do. He has elite size and he had a pretty great season. Could play on the left or the right side, but definitely looks the part of a LT. He had some great senior bowl practices and looked good in the drills at the combine (not the best triangle numbers, but 6-8 guys arent bench pressers). Santonio Holmes (i still miss him) was a dick and a bad team mate, but the steelers definitely got a return on investment with him in that they got the best out of him before they moved him. Adams could very well fall to the bottom of the second, but i think it would be difficult for the steelers to pass on such a intriguing specimen here.

He may not fall this far, but im predicting a bit of a slide.

Other possible picks: Amini Silatolu, Mychal Kendricks, Brandon Brooks, Alemeda Taamu, Mohamed Sanu, Ashlon Jeffrey, Kelechi Osemele


k train is unbelievable

The Lakelander
04-27-2012, 08:59 PM
Nice job K Train ... not many people get one right, yet alone two ...

K Train
04-27-2012, 09:00 PM
went 3/3 last year in the first 3 :-) i kinda cant be stopped

ChucktownSteeler
04-28-2012, 01:37 PM
Nice job K-train. The only one I got right last year was Cortez Allen.

C-town