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cbrunn
04-14-2012, 08:11 AM
Ok this is my last attempt ...lol lets try to make everybody happy with this one

lets assume wallace is delt before the deadline to the Rams for one of their second and a 6th ...Now i don't think wallace would be gone ...but i think this is about as best of a deal as were going to get for him ... and seeing as the rams have 2 second round picks and i think a good bit of salary cap why not give bradford, Blackmon and Wallace

Another trade is Miami selects Tannehill , so with an extra third , they have to give him a weapon on offense and with their second they won't have any of the top tier guys left ... so the steelers trade them their 24th pick for their 2nd(42nd) 3rd(72nd) 5th(145)

that gives us


2nd: 39th (Wallace trade)... Bobby Massie , OT, Ole Miss ...Visted the Steelers and lets be honest we need help on the OLine

2nd: 42nd (Miami Trade)... Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin ... One of the best guards available , you want to get back to ground and pound? you have to improve the Oline

2nd: 56th... Brandon Washington. OG, Miami ... Will be the LG , Only had like 8 penalty in college , that's something we are not used to and think it would greatly improve the Oline

3rd: 72nd (Miami Trade)... Juron Criner , WR, Arizona ... Not sure if he'll fall this far but hopefully...with wallace gone we need help and the Steelers like him

3rd: 86th... Josh Norman, CB/FS, Coastal Caroline ... i think he can be a ball hawking FS and he actually make plays on the ball something the Steelers lack DB's that can make plays on the ball besides Troy

4th: 119... Akiem Hicks , DE/DT, Canada ... maybe a little high but Steelers brought him in for a visit and obviously has the talent just needs to get used to playing at the higher competition... good roational player and depth with great upside

5th: 145 (Miami Trade)... Ron Brooks, CB, LSU .. Fast, Made plays when giving the opportunity and a great special teams player and gunner

5th: 159... Hebron Fangupo, NT, BYU ... Maybe not NT of future but def. somebody that could hold it down for a few years since he's an older prospect and the Steelers brought him in for a visit i believe

6th: 171 (Wallace Trade)... Ryan Miller , OG, Colorado ... Has the versatility to play every position on the Oline a good backup and utility guy

6thth: 193... Marcus Dowtin , ILB, North Alabama ... this is my pick , many ppl might not think he's big enough to play ILB in the 3-4 , but i love his game

7th: 231... Dale Moss, WR, South Dakota State ... just look at his measurables http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2012&genpos=WR ... only played one year of football so a project but def. has the tools

240(Comp) Craig Diehl , FB, Clemson ... i think the best pure blocking FB in the draft

246(Comp) Greg Zuerlein , K , Missouri Western State .... well we need a kicker to compete now it's not the big school guy but some believe he's the best kicker in the draft

248(Comp) Shawn Powell , P, Flordia State ... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...0/shawn-powell

strummerfan
04-14-2012, 09:16 AM
This could be fun to play with. I really think Hicks is at least 2 rounds early.

The Steelers aren't going back to ground and pound, our strength is at QB, WR and to some extent TE. Also you don't sign poor blocking 6'8" pass catching tight ends if you plan on running a 3yards and a cloud of dust offense.

cbrunn
04-14-2012, 09:31 AM
This could be fun to play with. I really think Hicks is at least 2 rounds early.

The Steelers aren't going back to ground and pound, our strength is at QB, WR and to some extent TE. Also you don't sign poor blocking 6'8" pass catching tight ends if you plan on running a 3yards and a cloud of dust offense.

lol can't make everybody happy ... but don't have to go back to ground and pound as i agree with you ...

Massie stats

He chose Mississippi, lost 20 pounds, started as a freshman and helped the Rebels rank second in the SEC and 14th in the nation with fewest sacks allowed (17). That same season, Massie was a key blocker when Dexter McCluster set the school record with 282 yards rushing against Tennessee.

Last season, despite playing on a 2-10 team that ranked 114th in the nation in total offense (281.25 ypg), Massie was credited with the key block in all 12 of the team's touchdown runs.

According to statistics by The Draft Report, Massie had 102 knockdown blocks last year, tops among tackles in the tough SEC. In his last 29 games Massie blocked for 14 different individual 100-yard rushing games, including two over 200.

and i read somewhere that Zeitler hasn't left up a sack at wisconsin , not sure if the Zeitler stat is completely accurate and can't remember where i read it,

Oline is the biggest Need ... ben can't throw the ball around if he's injured and the most hit QB ....

say our D gets a little worst, which i don't think it will at all, ... and leaves up 20 points a game ... or whatever ... the Offense can finally actually put up great stats and a very balanced Offense cause we have the Skill players but not a good enough line

strummerfan
04-14-2012, 09:44 AM
;p; can't make everybody happy ... but don't have to go back to ground and pound as i agree with you ... but Massie was the stud linemen for ole miss who let up the fewest sacks as a team in the tough SEC ... and i read somewhere that Zeitler hasn't left up a sack at wisconsin , not sure if the Zeitler stat is completely accurate and can't remember where i read it,

Oline is the biggest Need ... ben can't throw the ball around if he's injured and the most hit QB ....

say our D gets a little worst ... and leaves up 20 points a game ... or whatever ... the Offense can finally actually put up great stats and a very balanced Offense cause we have the Skill players but not a good enough line

I agree that the Oline is probably the biggest need, specifically at guard. If they can solidify the guard positions it will make a world of difference. Regarding my comments about ground and pound, they were actually directed at you. I just find it comical how many people think bringing in Haley is a sign that our offensive identity is going to go back in time 10 years. If people would watch tape of his offenses in KC and Arizona they'll see a lot of what we've been doing for the past several years. Yes, there are times he uses a fb out of the I or offset I; however, there are an equal amount of single back and empty set formations.


In your scenario I would like to see some combination of Brooks, Silatua(sp?), Zeitler,Kendricks, and Perry in the 2nd. With my favorite combo being Zeitler, Kendricks, Brooks.

Gilbert
Zeitler
Pouncey
Brooks
Colon

cbrunn
04-14-2012, 09:56 AM
I agree that the Oline is probably the biggest need, specifically at guard. If they can solidify the guard positions it will make a world of difference. Regarding my comments about ground and pound, they were actually directed at you. I just find it comical how many people think bringing in Haley is a sign that our offensive identity is going to go back in time 10 years. If people would watch tape of his offenses in KC and Arizona they'll see a lot of what we've been doing for the past several years. Yes, there are times he uses a fb out of the I or offset I; however, there are an equal amount of single back and empty set formations.


In your scenario I would like to see some combination of Brooks, Silatua(sp?), Zeitler,Kendricks, and Perry in the 2nd. With my favorite combo being Zeitler, Kendricks, Brooks.

Gilbert
Zeitler
Pouncey
Brooks
Colon

Yeah i agree we have to use the weapons we have around Ben ... and hopefully sanders can stay healthy

and i know the steelers really like Brooks , but i like Zeitler better and i don't think brooks can play LG in the NFL i think he's a RG and Zeitler isn't a LG ... plus i like the fact that Washington played against top competition and was a good producer and doesn't get the yellow flag called , and can play LG

Also i like Marcus Dowtin better then Kendricks ... just as fast ...many scouts say 1st round talent ...but got into a bar fight which made him transfer from Georgia to North Alabama , but seems to have cleared his act up...if he stayed at Georgia with the workout he put up , he would be a first-second round pick

but it's all speculation, hypothetical and opinion ...kind of stuff that happens in the war rooms

Zachintosh66
04-14-2012, 11:35 AM
Another trade is Miami selects Tannehill , so with an extra third , they have to give him a weapon on offense and with their second they won't have any of the top tier guys left ... so the steelers trade them their 24th pick for their 2nd(42nd) 3rd(72nd) 5th(145)

no way we get that much if we trade wallace.

connecticutsteel
04-14-2012, 11:37 AM
Nicks is really good he played in Canada cause the NCAA Cartel screwed him .He was the top high school prospect in the nation and got screwed on a recruiting trip so he's worth a 4th rd pick

The Steelers are not going to trade Mike Wallace all this stuff is hot air from his agent the Steelers will pay him and lock him up long term

cbrunn
04-14-2012, 12:30 PM
miami didn't get wallace the Rams did ... miami got our 24th pick to move up and pair up stephan hill , fleener , or Wr from baylor forget his name with tannehill ...

but yeah i believe Hicks is well value at the 4th round ... he def. won't be there in the 6th ... he'll go 4th-5th ...maybe even raiders with their 3rd round Comp. to learn from Semoyre

JollyRob68
04-14-2012, 01:08 PM
Why didn't you want Rams 33 pick its there original? Just asking? I'm getting ready to step out but when I'm back I'll use your format and add players to see what it looks like. If they trade Wallace I think they'd take 2 WR.

cbrunn
04-14-2012, 01:25 PM
Why didn't you want Rams 33 pick its there original? Just asking? I'm getting ready to step out but when I'm back I'll use your format and add players to see what it looks like. If they trade Wallace I think they'd take 2 WR.

Figured they can still get Bobby Massie with the 39th pick , no real reason why i took the 39th pick instead of 33
and i did take 2 WR just not 2 top ...i'm not sure of the need for 2 top guys...if sanders can stay healthy he's a real solid receiver too, and cotchery signed 2 years

but yeah i think these are 2 trades that could happen, Now i don't think they will but could, but it is fun to play with the format ...they could do a whole lot with all them extra picks, lol i just ask that you put Marcus Dowtin in there for me lol ...i really hope the steelers draft the kid, but i really doubt they will

JollyRob68
04-15-2012, 03:37 PM
Adjustment to yours would be #42 Mycal Kendricks, #72 Isaiah Peads, #86 Josh Chapman,#119 Josh Norman,#145 Tommy Streeter,#159 Akeem Dent,# 171 Ryan Miller, # 193 Toney Clemons, #231 Jerrell Harris, #240 Marcus Dowtin #246 David Poulson, #248 Delvin Johnson NT Marshall.

JollyRob68
04-15-2012, 03:50 PM
Ty Hilton Visited also so It would depend on where you'd want to put him. I have a feeling more guys from Miami will be drafted because the entire Steelers Organization was there. I can see Brandon Washington & Tommy Streeter getting drafted.

JollyRob68
04-15-2012, 04:03 PM
I can see Dowtin being a 4-6 rd selection. Why did he leave Georgia?

cbrunn
04-15-2012, 08:45 PM
Ty just another small fast guy i think we have enough of them... and i would like for them to draft Ronell Lewis in this situation too , but i just don't think we can afford to try to pick another edge rusher, we always take like 2 edge rushers some of them picks have to step up ...

as far as your draft i wouldn't be mad if it played out the way you have it ...but i do like Ron Brooks too , and he's a great special team player but when he got chances for LSU he made plays and all his interceptions were returned for TD's ...

as far as Dowtin ... he got into a bar fight and knocked somebody unconscious and was charged but never went to trail ... he seemed to clean his act up at North Alabama though and seems like a humble good team guy if you listen to some of his interviews ... but i doubt he's even on the steelers radar ... but if we did pick Kendricks and Dowtin, along with Timmons and Sly, that's some real athletic Line backers , i would like that

cbrunn
04-15-2012, 09:24 PM
i like that delvin Johnson ... i think we could get him and kitchen Late-UFA and they could hold down the NT position ... just another option ... there so many options ...seems like this draft is much deeper this year or maybe i'm just paying more attention this year then other years , but it's like it's so many good players late in this draft especially along the DLine ... Johnson , Kitchen, Van Berger (from Michigan)

JollyRob68
04-15-2012, 10:08 PM
Ty just another small fast guy i think we have enough of them... and i would like for them to draft Ronell Lewis in this situation too , but i just don't think we can afford to try to pick another edge rusher, we always take like 2 edge rushers some of them picks have to step up ...

as far as your draft i wouldn't be mad if it played out the way you have it ...but i do like Ron Brooks too , and he's a great special team player but when he got chances for LSU he made plays and all his interceptions were returned for TD's ...

as far as Dowtin ... he got into a bar fight and knocked somebody unconscious and was charged but never went to trail ... he seemed to clean his act up at North Alabama though and seems like a humble good team guy if you listen to some of his interviews ... but i doubt he's even on the steelers radar ... but if we did pick Kendricks and Dowtin, along with Timmons and Sly, that's some real athletic Line backers , i would like that

Tomlin likes to give guys a chance and of all the talented guys who would ask for another chance I think Dowtin beats Tez & Janoris Jenkins. If Jenkins would of stopped smoking he may of been given a shot. Tez seems like he need a father figure and some big brothers so its possible that if he's there in the 6st The Steelers might say why not.

JollyRob68
04-15-2012, 10:16 PM
i like that delvin Johnson ... i think we could get him and kitchen Late-UFA and they could hold down the NT position ... just another option ... there so many options ...seems like this draft is much deeper this year or maybe i'm just paying more attention this year then other years , but it's like it's so many good players late in this draft especially along the DLine ... Johnson , Kitchen, Van Berger (from Michigan)

My think with Johnson, Kitchen, VAn Berger & Olineman like Scott Wedige who I like is if you want them draft them in the 7th.
Most of my selections were based on people who came in for visits or scheduled for visits. As for ILB they brought in Hightower & Kendricks. DE they brought in Derek Wolf & Akeim Hicks. So do you take Hightower & Hicks or Wolf & Kendricks?

In your scenario with extra 2nds I had Wolf,Kendricks,Washington or Brooks in 2nd,Isaiah Peads & Josh Chapman in 3rd. I like these selections..

cbrunn
04-15-2012, 10:53 PM
i don't like hightower ... ILB i'd rather take Kendricks ... not i don't like Hightower i just think he reminds ppl of levon kirkland which isn't a bad thing if it was 10 years ago, ppl don't run like that anymore so you don't need a big buck to take on blocks... so i would go wolf and kendricks

i like both wolf and hicks ... unless we plan on moving Hood to NT though i don't think DE warrents that high of a draft though... i know we need depth behind heyward and hood but i would be ok with getting a solid depth guy 4 or later there a couple solid guys from them rounds ...like kheeston randall from texas and some others

and i know there looking at RB but i just don't see why they have a nice stable of young running backs i think redman and dywer would be a solid 1 2 punch...then batch for a change of pace or even draft a guy like michale smith from utah state ... but out of the 2 running backs they brought in i'd rather Lamichael James

and i like washington better then brooks ... brooks workouts may look better but washington played against better comp. and dominated at guard but when asked to move to LT struggled a little bit ... and i love only 8 flags his whole career

and i hope your right about Dowtin ... i would hate bmore cinci or clev to draft him ...even though he played in 4-3, i read that teams turned on North Alabama tape to scout Jenkins and alot of them was surprised that Dowtin was jumping off the tape ... and i would hate Tez going to bmore because i think ray lewis could get everything out of him and that's not good ...

think UFA possibilities for the Oline could be OT, Dan Knapp from arizona state , killed his pro day sub 5 sec. 40 and 41 reps ...and OG, Ryan Lee from Furman a 5 sec. 40 and 40 reps

cbrunn
04-15-2012, 11:33 PM
go to http://www.youtube.com/user/ShiffSportsMarketing ... if the link don't work ... its youtube and the person is shiffsportsmarketing ...and just watch some of the highlights from the UNA games and how much #38 is making plays or around the ball ...