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JollyRob68
03-28-2012, 03:49 PM
1.Hightower ILB Alabama
2.Brandon Brooks OG Miami Ohio
3. Derek Wolfe DE Cincy
4. Trent Robinson Mich ST
5.Delvin Johnson NT Marshall
6. Tom Compton South Dakota/Lucas Nix Pitt OT
7.Gerrell Robinson Arizona st /Ty Hilton FL International WR
7a. Scott Wedige OC/OC NIU
7b. Darius Fleming ND / Shea Mccellin Boise OLB
7c. Randy Bullock AtM Kicker/Jorden Jefferson/Kellen Moore QB

What do you think. I selected a few guys that Colbert & Tomlin visited with or brought in for visits so far. As well as some that Interviewed with a Steelers site and I like them.

One thing I forgot was a BAckup QB. I'd give in place of a Kicker. Kellen Moore or Jorden Jefferson

cbrunn
03-28-2012, 08:22 PM
1.Hightower ILB Alabama
2.Brandon Brooks OG Miami Ohio
3. Derek Wolfe DE Cincy
4. Trent Robinson Mich ST
5.Delvin Johnson NT Marshall
6. Tom Compton South Dakota/Lucas Nix Pitt OT
7.Gerrell Robinson Arizona st /Ty Hilton FL International WR
7a. Scott Wedige OC/OC NIU
7b. Darius Fleming ND / Shea Mccellin Boise OLB
7c. Randy Bullock AtM Kicker/Jorden Jefferson/Kellen Moore QB

What do you think. I selected a few guys that Colbert & Tomlin visited with or brought in for visits so far. As well as some that Interviewed with a Steelers site and I like them.

One thing I forgot was a BAckup QB. I'd give in place of a Kicker. Kellen Moore or Jorden Jefferson

to start i don't like hightower in the 1st ...
2nd i think they def go guard 2nd brooks maybe a reach in the second but if you like him, which seems like they do cause they watched him at the pro day , then you take him
3rd... i know they brought wolfe in for a interview and they usually always pick guys they bring in, but i hope they don't go DE here ...it's not a need or anything... unless they plan on moving hood to NT
4th ... i like trent robinson ...think he could be a good safety ...my thing is he's just a little small though

don't know much about them other guys but i would love if that kicker falls to us as a comp pick

JensK
03-29-2012, 06:35 AM
I don't understand what there is not to like about Hightower. He is a pretty perfect match in our system, he fills a glaring need and the value at 24 is right around right.

MDSteel15
03-29-2012, 07:27 AM
Want nothing to do with Jefferson in any round! He has no chance in hell of wearing a Steeler uniform...

K Train
03-29-2012, 10:06 AM
seeing more and more hightower/brooks 1-2...ill take credit for that lol

JollyRob68
03-29-2012, 03:12 PM
to start i don't like hightower in the 1st ...
2nd i think they def go guard 2nd brooks maybe a reach in the second but if you like him, which seems like they do cause they watched him at the pro day , then you take him
3rd... i know they brought wolfe in for a interview and they usually always pick guys they bring in, but i hope they don't go DE here ...it's not a need or anything... unless they plan on moving hood to NT
4th ... i like trent robinson ...think he could be a good safety ...my thing is he's just a little small though

don't know much about them other guys but i would love if that kicker falls to us as a comp pick

It was reported that Colbert & Tomlin were all over him. Thats why I selected him there plus we need depth/future FS.

JollyRob68
03-29-2012, 03:13 PM
I don't understand what there is not to like about Hightower. He is a pretty perfect match in our system, he fills a glaring need and the value at 24 is right around right.

I actually like him as a replacement for Harrison after next year. But would love him as our ILB.
I also think Mortty Ivy has a shot to win that spot.
Bleed black and gold Suggested we sign RFA Larry Grant from San Fran. He has a 7th round tender and filled in for Willis against us and played well. He's a former Ohio St guy.
http://bleedblackandgold.com/blog/2012/03/28/now-with-four-7th-round-picks-should-the-steelers-target-larry-grant/

JollyRob68
03-29-2012, 03:14 PM
seeing more and more hightower/brooks 1-2...ill take credit for that lol

Yup. PS LOved you on the pod cast.

JollyRob68
03-29-2012, 03:15 PM
Want nothing to do with Jefferson in any round! He has no chance in hell of wearing a Steeler uniform...

Kellen Moore would be the perfect career backup. He's accurate,gets the ball out quick and will be given time to grow & get stronger.

cbrunn
03-29-2012, 03:30 PM
I don't like hightower , because the NFL is changing, yes he a huge ILB a beast at stopping the run... but what about pass coverage?? ...and also i mean give Sylvester a chance , He might do good and then you don't need a ILB and can use that pick on a weapon for Ben or depth at some other position...take a LB later in the draft like Nigel Bradham or James Michal-Johnson, that will give depth and competition for Sylvester ...

Our offense has the ability to be very very potent ...just missing maybe another weapon at say the TE position that can create major mismatches ...

Just my 2 cents though

K Train
03-29-2012, 03:34 PM
hes not just a huge downfield run stopping MLB, he can cover, has great football smarts and best of all is relentless as a pass rusher which negates any coverage issues.

will he be able to cover jimmy graham and gronkowski 1 on 1? no, but name me 2 LBs who can?

JollyRob68
03-29-2012, 03:36 PM
I don't like hightower , because the NFL is changing, yes he a huge ILB a beast at stopping the run... but what about pass coverage?? ...and also i mean give Sylvester a chance , He might do good and then you don't need a ILB and can use that pick on a weapon for Ben or depth at some other position...take a LB later in the draft like Nigel Bradham or James Michal-Johnson, that will give depth and competition for Sylvester ...

Our offense has the ability to be very very potent ...just missing maybe another weapon at say the TE position that can create major mismatches ...

Just my 2 cents though

I also agree with you. They could also sign RFA Larry Grant tendered a 7th and David Hawthorne from Seattle for serious Competition. I'd draft Hightower as a future replacement for Harrison.
As for what Hightower would do on 3rd down? RUSH THE QB :)

cbrunn
03-29-2012, 03:43 PM
hes not just a huge downfield run stopping MLB, he can cover, has great football smarts and best of all is relentless as a pass rusher which negates any coverage issues.

will he be able to cover jimmy graham and gronkowski 1 on 1? no, but name me 2 LBs who can?

can't we get a pass rushing DE/OLB later in the draft just as good?? ... where was harrison drafted what about woodly??? ...i just don't think you spend a 1st round pick on a position that can be drafted later in the draft with just as good as results

cbrunn
03-29-2012, 03:52 PM
I also agree with you. They could also sign RFA Larry Grant tendered a 7th and David Hawthorne from Seattle for serious Competition. I'd draft Hightower as a future replacement for Harrison.
As for what Hightower would do on 3rd down? RUSH THE QB :)

i like the Hawthorne idea .... unfortunately i don't think we have the money at all ... i think any money we do have we need to retain wallace at a reasonable price ... he opens up the field for ppl like brown and sanders to work ... even if his numbers start to drop from here on out ... some of brown and sanders numbers should be contributed to wallace

K Train
03-29-2012, 03:53 PM
can't we get a pass rushing DE/OLB later in the draft just as good?? ... where was harrison drafted what about woodly??? ...i just don't think you spend a 1st round pick on a position that can be drafted later in the draft with just as good as results

hes just got it though, he is a great football player. Woodley was a second round pick, harrison took 5 years to make a team. But when they got hurt the steelers were crippled at OLB, timmons didnt play well there and worilds blows. Hightower fills the hole at MLB (farrior was a first round pick for similar reasons of versatility and football smarts, along with ridiculous speed for his size) and while hightower will make his home at MLB in the 34, he can kick outside and play DE in a pinch as well.

not much to not like about him in the scheme the steelers run

cbrunn
03-29-2012, 03:59 PM
hes just got it though, he is a great football player. Woodley was a second round pick, harrison took 5 years to make a team. But when they got hurt the steelers were crippled at OLB, timmons didnt play well there and worilds blows. Hightower fills the hole at MLB (farrior was a first round pick for similar reasons of versatility and football smarts, along with ridiculous speed for his size) and while hightower will make his home at MLB in the 34, he can kick outside and play DE in a pinch as well.


not much to not like about him in the scheme the steelers run

same things Nigel Bradham does with a 3rd round maybe second round cost .... i don't see that much of a drop off between Hightower to Bradham ...

K Train
03-29-2012, 04:28 PM
thats an insulting comparison.

might as well say wellll instead of taking cordy glenn in round one lets just go with rokevious watkins in the 5th because they are about the same size and play the same position. if nigel bradham was as good as hightower hed be ranked up with hightower. i think bradham is an ok player, but the difference between a great player and an ok player is about 3 rounds

cbrunn
03-29-2012, 05:46 PM
and the difference between needing a great ILB to a ok ILB that can play multiple positions ...and having 1 other great players or "starters in waiting" as the steelers like to say ... i think I'd rather have a great TE weapon , i love heath but he's not the same and he's not a great threat, other teams don't go in the game worrying about the mismatches heath creates ... on a farrior down year and harrison and woddly missing multiple games our defense was still a top ranking D ... i think Sylvester can give you the same production farrior did last year ... and bradham can turn into a quality starter after a couple years and play multiple positions ...

and you give yourself a mismatch nightmare TE in the first...i liked the idea of taking Fleener in the first ... and still have quality D players maybe not "great" if thats what you call them... but them not "great" players still played on a top ranking D ... i just don't think ILB is that big of a need to address the first round with, especially with not giving Sylvester a chance yet

cbrunn
03-29-2012, 06:03 PM
another idea i had is if harrison smith would fall to us in the 2nd ... pick him up as a 3rd down ILB and then free safety of the future ... and then go guard in the 3rd with brooks or maybe potter

Black@Gold Forever32
03-29-2012, 06:30 PM
hes just got it though, he is a great football player. Woodley was a second round pick, harrison took 5 years to make a team. But when they got hurt the steelers were crippled at OLB, timmons didnt play well there and worilds blows. Hightower fills the hole at MLB (farrior was a first round pick for similar reasons of versatility and football smarts, along with ridiculous speed for his size) and while hightower will make his home at MLB in the 34, he can kick outside and play DE in a pinch as well.

not much to not like about him in the scheme the steelers run

You just nailed why Hightower will be the pick if he is there at 24 and its he can play so many positions in the Steelers defense.....I wasn't for drafting defense early at all since the NFL is such an offensive driven league now......I think the Steelers could just plug players in on defense and be fine but the Steelers will always be a defensive minded organization and the pick will be Hightower.......Can't argue with the pick at all but you know me Train get me more weapons for Ben or draft an OL....lol

cbrunn
03-29-2012, 08:29 PM
You just nailed why Hightower will be the pick if he is there at 24 and its he can play so many positions in the Steelers defense.....I wasn't for drafting defense early at all since the NFL is such an offensive driven league now......I think the Steelers could just plug players in on defense and be fine but the Steelers will always be a defensive minded organization and the pick will be Hightower.......Can't argue with the pick at all but you know me Train get me more weapons for Ben or draft an OL....lol

exactly why he shouldn't be ... even with farrior on a huge down year , harrison and woodly being out multiple games , the D was still a top ranked D ... We need more offense weapons, at the TE position ...

and you have sylvester ... you have to give him a chance... what if you draft hightower and pass up on somebody that can create major mismatches on Offense like FLeener ... when you don't know what you have in Sylvester , doesn't make sense to me

adding Fleener just makes the offense much more better then adding hightower makes the D better ...

just saying

cbrunn
03-29-2012, 08:43 PM
Wallace, Brown , Miller, Fleener , and then add sanders to that ...makes the offense that much better ...and he's a big target that ben been wanting ... and much better for the running game to run out of double TE ... also remember miller did get a big contract extension in 09 and with our cap troubles ... Fleener makes Miller expendable next year or at least to reconstruct his contract ... in order to pay ppl like wallace and brown (pretty sure he's a free agent next year)

harrison, timmons, sylvester , woodly ... that's not to bad , not a dire need at ILB , especially when you don't know what you got in sylvester yet

connecticutsteel
03-30-2012, 01:18 AM
same things Nigel Bradham does with a 3rd round maybe second round cost .... i don't see that much of a drop off between Hightower to Bradham ...

wow that's like saying cube steak is the same as new york strip steak because they come from acow

JollyRob68
03-30-2012, 05:56 AM
I look at Hightower this way. He can be our Terrell Suggs! He can play ILB,OLB and his natural growth & weight would make him a 5 tech. He's going to be a MONSTER.
I understand the thought of taking Fleener because Heath is in the last year of his contract and we need another/Future TE.
This was my main reason for wanting someone to sign Wallace. We could fix whats broken.

As far as the two LB's I've mentioned. Sign them both and sign Cotchery NOW. If someone goes after Wallace then they go after him.. I'd be pro active and call the Rams ABout alternate compensation (its within the RFA rules)for those TWo 2nds & Roger Saffold or 2 & 3 plus Saffold.

JensK
03-30-2012, 07:14 AM
exactly why he shouldn't be ... even with farrior on a huge down year , harrison and woodly being out multiple games , the D was still a top ranked D ... We need more offense weapons, at the TE position ...

and you have sylvester ... you have to give him a chance... what if you draft hightower and pass up on somebody that can create major mismatches on Offense like FLeener ... when you don't know what you have in Sylvester , doesn't make sense to me

adding Fleener just makes the offense much more better then adding hightower makes the D better ...

just saying

We don't really need more TEs right now. When/if Saunders return we have 3 capable TEs. I very much doubt that we'll need more than that. If Wallace and Cotchery returns we have 4 very capable WRs, we don't really need more than that. You could argue that a RB would make sense, but there most likely wont be any RBs who could warrent a 24th pick. Same goes with DT. Meaning there is LB, CB or OL. Amongst those 3, ILB is most likely where you'd find the best value in Hightower. I think Glenn will be gone at 24. I would not mind picking Konz, butI think I like Hightower better.

Sylverster has shown very little when given the chance at ILB. He is a monster at ST, but I would not want him to be my starter. Look at what happened in Phili last year when they started a bad ILB...

What I'm trying to say is that we have some pretty good TEs already. Miller is arguably a solid top 10 TE in the league. It would be a luxury Steelers hardly can afford at this point to pick another TE when the team has so many glaring needs.

Also, we don't even know how much TEs will be used in Haleys new system. There is also no point in adding more weapons to the offense if Big Ben spents most of his time on the back because the o-line couldnt block anything to safe their lives.

MDSteel15
03-30-2012, 08:03 AM
Wallace, Brown , Miller, Fleener , and then add sanders to that ...makes the offense that much better ...and he's a big target that ben been wanting ... and much better for the running game to run out of double TE ... also remember miller did get a big contract extension in 09 and with our cap troubles ... Fleener makes Miller expendable next year or at least to reconstruct his contract ... in order to pay ppl like wallace and brown (pretty sure he's a free agent next year)

harrison, timmons, sylvester , woodly ... that's not to bad , not a dire need at ILB , especially when you don't know what you got in sylvester yet

How about no? :nono: How about better blockers that can actually do their job? :eek1: Just because you are in love with the Patriots TEs doesn't mean we need to copy them! Thank you Bruce Arians for destroying what works by getting rid of the FB in our offense so that we can control the clock and want to be like New England! :hail:

cbrunn
03-30-2012, 09:20 AM
we don't have any TE like Fleener , the guy is 6'6 ran a 4.4-4.5 and has great hands and maybe one of the best rout runners this year along with being able to block decent ... that's what you call a match up nightmare ... i love miller but he is not a match up nightmare and saunders really come on now ... if Fleener was a WR with them work outs and the production he has he'd be a top 15 pick ...

has nothing to do with New england .. it has to do with getting Ben a mismatch nightmare that will help out the offense more then hightower will help the D
like i said the D was still a top lvl D last year with multiple players being injured ... no matter how bad you think there back ups were or are they were a top rank D ... DON'T THINK I CAN SAY THE SAME FOR THE OFFENSE...ranked 12th in total offense and 1st in total D...this ground and pound doesn't work any more why can't ppl realize the NFL is changing and you need to change with it ... or be left behind ... the sky's the limit with fleener on the offense, with hightower on the D what were still the #1 ranked D ... hmmm

lol oh well just my opinion...you can say how much hightower will be a beast or monster but i just don't know how you can disput the facts of even with ppl injured and no matter how bad you say there back ups were they were the #1 ranked total D...and you can't say that for the offense at ranked 12 in total offense

also i agree you need lineman but your going to take one in the second ... there nobody will be left for the first pick .... and i think with more maybe quick passes ben will get sacked less, adding a weapon like fleener opens up the offense for quicker passes or deeper passes the sky's the limit with a weapon like that on this offense ... the oline isn't as bad a ppl make it out to be ... yes it's bad but it's not flat out horrible , ben creates some of these sacks on his own trying to hold for the big play ...

and i noticed against denver last year in the playoffs ... they were in shotgun and he was still taking a 3 stop drop???? ... that's giving the DE advantage central ...

JensK
03-30-2012, 11:20 AM
You are talking about a defense which ranked high last year. The same defense which just lost a bunch of starters and is pretty much in a rebuilding mode, even though the Steelers refuse to call it that. This is a team which wants to win the game on the defensive side of the ball, and that is not going to change. Obviously, no one is saying that having more good TEs would be bad, but the pick would be illogical at this point. As mentioned multiple places already: This team has many glaring needs all over the field. TE is not one of them. And even if we agreed that we could use another TE, that would not warrant using a first round pick on one right now. This is how I believe the drafting priority looks right now:

OL > ILB > NT = RB > CB = DE = OLB = WR (depending on FA) > TE.

Also, don't you find it a tiny wee bit ironic that you say: Saunders... please - and then say that Sylverstor should be our starting ILB? They are pretty much in the exact same situation. Both look good on ST, but have proven very little on the field. I would actually claim that Saunders has done more for the offense than Sylvestor on defense.

cbrunn
03-30-2012, 11:40 AM
i've watched saunders miss multiple catches last season when he was on the field ...
also is sylvester isn't the answer you still have foote which won't do any worse then farrior ...but i'd rather give sylvester a shot ,yes

what starter did we lose?? ... farrior , smith, gay , and hamton cause of injury for like half the season ... farrior sucked last season he missed plenty of tackles last season, sylvester can't do any worse then he did ... smith didn't even play and we picked DL these past couple years in heyward and hood , time for them to step up , gay as he played much better last season we have other young CB that need to step up ... no way is this a rebuilding period , they been preparing for this as much as you don't like to see it that way... all the LB they been taking, heyward and hood and brown and allen, they been preparing for this ... just cause the names change don't mean it's rebuilding

now you don't pay ben like 10 mil a year , or whatever his contract is i know it's elite QB money , you don't pay somebody elite QB money to be a game manager in a ground and pound offense ... you give the man weapons and let him work

JensK
03-30-2012, 12:35 PM
Yeah because as of right now, Big Ben is merely a game manager, and adding another TE would change that entirely. Wallace, Brown, Cotchery, Sanders and Miller... If you can mention 5 teams with the same potential at their receiving core I'd be impressed. Obviously, we don't know whether or not Wallace will be here, neither do we know if Cotchery will, but as of right now this offense is pretty stacked with weapons Ben can throw to. That was never the issue. The issue was that Ariens couldn't call a game to save his life, and Big Ben could not get more than 2 second in the pocket before he had to run for his life. Adding another TE is not going to change anything at all in that regard.

As for the defense, sure you "only loose" Farrior, Smith and Gay. All three were the unquestioned leaders on that defense. While some disregard that kind of importance I do not. Yes, Farrior did not have as many tackles last year, but he still knew how the defense worked. You have no proof whatsoever that Sylvestor can fill those shoes. It is just a huge gamble. Foote is a solution, yes, but only a very temporary one.

Also... You watched Saunders miss catches? That is hardly the point is it? If that reasoning were to be a legit point, Fleener would have to have a perfect record which he hardly have. Hell I watched Vernon Davis drop multiple passes per game at times last season and I wouldn't exactly question his ability. I'm not trying to compare neither of the two with Saunders cause that would not be fair, but I am trying to convey that TE, in my mind, is a very luxury pick for this team right now, one which they hardly can afford.

MDSteel15
03-30-2012, 01:20 PM
we don't have any TE like Fleener , the guy is 6'6 ran a 4.4-4.5 and has great hands and maybe one of the best rout runners this year along with being able to block decent ... that's what you call a match up nightmare ... i love miller but he is not a match up nightmare and saunders really come on now ... if Fleener was a WR with them work outs and the production he has he'd be a top 15 pick ... (More like top 5!!!)

has nothing to do with New england .. it has to do with getting Ben a mismatch nightmare that will help out the offense more then hightower will help the D
like i said the D was still a top lvl D last year with multiple players being injured ... no matter how bad you think there back ups were or are they were a top rank D ... DON'T THINK I CAN SAY THE SAME FOR THE OFFENSE...ranked 12th in total offense and 1st in total D...this ground and pound doesn't work any more why can't ppl realize the NFL is changing and you need to change with it ... or be left behind ... the sky's the limit with fleener on the offense, with hightower on the D what were still the #1 ranked D ... hmmm And we just lost how many people from that defense?

also i agree you need lineman but your going to take one in the second ... there nobody will be left for the first pick .... and i think with more maybe quick passes ben will get sacked less, adding a weapon like fleener opens up the offense for quicker passes or deeper passes the sky's the limit with a weapon like that on this offense ... the oline isn't as bad a ppl make it out to be ... yes it's bad but it's not flat out horrible , ben creates some of these sacks on his own trying to hold for the big play ...

Not necessarily! That's if none are available... and YES the O-line is bad, 3/5s BAD... 1 good - 1 ok - nothing else special

cbrunn
03-30-2012, 01:44 PM
none of them WR and TE you mention can do what Fleener does on the offense ... none of them are that big guy ben been asking for for years ... none of them can create that mismatch on the inside that fleener can...give him that guy...

after next year I'm not sure you have enough money to even sign wallace and brown ... cotch is a shell of himself and getting up there in age, yes he's a solid inside receiver still but he's not getting any better only worst...miller is on the decline, yes i love miller but he's not getting any younger either and just doesn't create them mismatches ... with fleener you give yourself the luxary yes but a luxary that i believe is necessarily needed to keep the offense keeping up ... and it's not like he's a strictly TE he can double as a WR slot, main , and he can still block good enough to line up at TE and run the ball behind ... not to mention in the red zone we have nobody that can go up and get the ball ... wala with fleener that changes ...

they've been preparing for this defense of turnover for the last years ... go get that next player on Offense that puts you over the top is what I'm saying...and miller is getting up there in age

it sucks but that decade of players is coming to a end and i know it's hard to deal with... but just cause the names change don't mean the production will ...as seen with last year when harrison and woodly were injured and farrior on a down year ... now they didn't make as many splash plays but they were still a great D ...

tburg68
03-31-2012, 09:57 AM
Glenn in first, Brooks in second. The O-Line just became top 5/10 in the league. THAT will create huge mismatches!

cbrunn
03-31-2012, 02:18 PM
Glenn in first, Brooks in second. The O-Line just became top 5/10 in the league. THAT will create huge mismatches!

noway glenn drops to us i don't think, and i don't think brooks is a day 1 starter

JollyRob68
03-31-2012, 03:08 PM
Glenn in first, Brooks in second. The O-Line just became top 5/10 in the league. THAT will create huge mismatches!

If they get Glenn in the first they'd take another lineman in the 3rd or 4th. However Glenn & Brooks would be Sweet and Glenn & Zeitler OUTSTANDING.