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CowherPower
03-05-2012, 11:49 AM
Adam Schefter tweeted out that Stevie Johnson signed a five-year, $36.25 million deal that includes $19.5 million gtd and over $24 million in deal's first three years.

This will have an impact on the type of money that Mike Wallace gets for sure, but is he worth more than Johnson is in your opinion or in the minds of teams who might want to try and sign him?

LatrobePA
03-05-2012, 11:55 AM
Johnson is iffy IMO, Wallace will demand this type of money for sure, I'd never give that to him or Johnson!!

JensK
03-05-2012, 12:00 PM
I would not give Wallace more than 5mil per year.

Speeed
03-05-2012, 12:07 PM
Wallace seems to be a solid player, but has he been a game changer? It is hard to tell with all of our injuries. If he had 15 touchdowns, maybe. But I feel he has yet to prove himself. At first there was not way I would want to let him go, but when I sit and reflect upon his overall performance, it ain't worth that kind of money. All of this talk about him making all of this money with his next contract has to be going to his head. As a result, despite his performance numbers, he will think he worth it just because he is Mike Wallace.

Something is worth what someone is willing to pay.

SteelDad
03-05-2012, 12:15 PM
This is definitely going to impact Wallace's signing. Here's a comparison of the two from last year.

Wallace: 72 catches 1,193 yards 16.6 YPC 8TDs
Johnson:76 catches, 1,004 yards 13.2 YPC 7TDs

The numbers are strikingly similar. I can't see for the life of me how Wallace will get a dime less than Johnson.

LatrobePA
03-05-2012, 12:49 PM
This is definitely going to impact Wallace's signing. Here's a comparison of the two from last year.

Wallace: 72 catches 1,193 yards 16.6 YPC 8TDs
Johnson:76 catches, 1,004 yards 13.2 YPC 7TDs

The numbers are strikingly similar. I can't see for the life of me how Wallace will get a dime less than Johnson.

Spot on man, I'd say keeping him is going to be near impossible...

BlitzburghRockCity
03-05-2012, 12:52 PM
Remember, even if Wallace gets they type of money they'll be able to give him a big chunk of it in a signing bonus and spread it out so his cap hit should be reasonable.

I fear though that depending on how far they've gotten in talks with Wallace, this might change things a bit now if they were talking different numbers. I would suspect though that the team was going to give him somewhere around that amount anyways, but when you talk millions of dollars anything can change your mind quickly.

cmerrifield
03-05-2012, 01:42 PM
When the franchise tag numbers came out, many people thought that is around Wallace would get, 9 million a year. I think this probably drives down the price a little actually. I could see Wallace getting 5/6 years, 40/45 million dollars. I think he is worth that. The problem then will be Brown and Sanders, although the new TV contracts will increase the cap. The Steelers may be able to afford 22 million a year in the big three WR's.

SteelDad
03-05-2012, 02:03 PM
When the franchise tag numbers came out, many people thought that is around Wallace would get, 9 million a year. I think this probably drives down the price a little actually. I could see Wallace getting 5/6 years, 40/45 million dollars. I think he is worth that. The problem then will be Brown and Sanders, although the new TV contracts will increase the cap. The Steelers may be able to afford 22 million a year in the big three WR's.

No question. Perhaps Sanders' injury problems will make this an easier pill to swallow. If he continues to be in and out of the lineup next season I doubt he'll get much of an offer. Brown on the other hand could be a huge issue if he has another monster year.

JollyRob68
03-05-2012, 02:16 PM
Wallace would get that type of money maybe not so much in the first 3 years. I always felt Wallace was a 6mil/yr receiver not an 8mil/yr. I'm thinking Chicago will sign him but the experts keep saying lookout for a wr needy team like Jacksonville or Tampa. I'll take either of those first rounders. Some suggest The rams might trade there #2 pick to a mid team and then sign Wallace.
If I was the Rams I'd go after Philly and get Deshawn & Asante Plus Philly's 1 & 2.

cmerrifield
03-05-2012, 02:24 PM
Wallace would get that type of money maybe not so much in the first 3 years. I always felt Wallace was a 6mil/yr receiver not an 8mil/yr. I'm thinking Chicago will sign him but the experts keep saying lookout for a wr needy team like Jacksonville or Tampa. I'll take either of those first rounders. Some suggest The rams might trade there #2 pick to a mid team and then sign Wallace.
If I was the Rams I'd go after Philly and get Deshawn & Asante Plus Philly's 1 & 2.

The Rams trade would have to be before the draft as RFA's getting signed by other teams has to be done before the draft. Also, just read that in the old CBA, it was the earlier pick of the round not the later one or the teams original pick. If that is true and New England went after Wallace, we would get their first pick in the first round, not their 31st pick, if that is true in this CBA as well.

JollyRob68
03-05-2012, 02:35 PM
The Rams trade would have to be before the draft as RFA's getting signed by other teams has to be done before the draft. Also, just read that in the old CBA, it was the earlier pick of the round not the later one or the teams original pick. If that is true and New England went after Wallace, we would get their first pick in the first round, not their 31st pick, if that is true in this CBA as well.

Its the original so for NE its the 31st. However if the Rams trade back before free agency or draft they would have a new original round selection and can use it on Wallace. Example if the got the Browns two first then it would be the #4 pick they'd give up. If the move back with Philly at 15 then they'd give us 15 their new original pick.

cmerrifield
03-05-2012, 02:47 PM
Its the original so for NE its the 31st. However if the Rams trade back before free agency or draft they would have a new original round selection and can use it on Wallace. Example if the got the Browns two first then it would be the #4 pick they'd give up. If the move back with Philly at 15 then they'd give us 15 their new original pick.

Just read the new CBA and the wording is "its own or better" for draft pick compensation. So its the earliest pick, so in NE's case its the 27th pick.

Real Deal Steel
03-05-2012, 02:58 PM
I guess Wallace is as good as gone then. We can't do those numbers.

Can we ask Wallace's agent to make sure he signs with a team in the other conference then?

Nolrog
03-05-2012, 06:09 PM
I guess Wallace is as good as gone then. We can't do those numbers.

We can match a contract of that much. With all the cap Voodoo that Omar does, it wouldn't be a huge issue.

The question is do they want to?

Goodfrom55
03-05-2012, 07:46 PM
Wallace would be crazy to sign anything right now. I believe he has earned a contract similar to Johnson's in Buffalo, but I also believe that if Wallace signs somewhere else and that team's QB is not elite, Wallace will be an average WR with great speed. I would be shocked if he is signed before the draft.

livingthrudying
03-05-2012, 08:09 PM
First for wallace to go anywhere first and foremost it has to be a team with a Elite QB with a powerful arm. All that speed is useless if the QB cant get it to him. Second the cat is out of the bag now that wallace cant be a #1 receiver as he cant handle double teams as he will not fight for the ball. Third, Speed is the very first thing to go with any athlete. While it only takes a 10th of a second or two to make your speed above average remember that it takes the same to drop you back down to average. Wallace only has a few years left of being the speed threat that he is. Once that starts to go he is average at best!

As much as i love having wallace i would rather take a first round pick and have Brown, Sanders,Cotchery and whatever new stud we find in the 3rd round or later.

connecticutsteel
03-05-2012, 08:10 PM
If Wallace has a smart agent he would sign the tendered offer this year and become a URFA NEXT YEAR THEN HE CAN GET MUCH MORE MONEY.Johnson was unrestricted teams will offer him less because Wallace costs the a 1st rd pick which calculates into millions of dollars for who ever signs him .So my guess is Wallace will be a steeler for at least one more year.

steelspikes
03-06-2012, 01:26 PM
All these numbers are too high. When I saw the Packers toss Wallace around like a rag doll in SB46 I realized he's a one trick pony. If Stillers can get a solid run game going they don't need flashy receivers. Look what Hines Ward did with mediocre QBs for most of his career? He's no speed demon. Never was. But with the Bettis run game he got open and made plays.
More concerned with Steelers signing Cotchery, who is more of a solid body than Wallace. Brown and Sanders give us enough outside speed. Team better off getting another #1 pick. Remember the last speedster we lost: Nate Washington. Didn't really hurt us. Wallace in the same category---he won't be missed that much.

Real Deal Steel
03-06-2012, 02:59 PM
I have to agree with you steelspikes.

I just want it to be the Rams who signs Wallace to an offer sheet. If the Rams do that, we could end up having one the all time great drafts in Steeler history.

Goodfrom55
03-06-2012, 11:28 PM
I have to agree with you steelspikes.

I just want it to be the Rams who signs Wallace to an offer sheet. If the Rams do that, we could end up having one the all time great drafts in Steeler history.

draft potential anyway. . .Could happen. Take Wallace or roll the dice with Blackmon with average speed. Wallace on turf, look out. Wallace has earned a payday but he is not a top 5 talent - yet.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-08-2012, 09:21 PM
I'd love to have the Rams pick but that'll never happen. There's no way they trade down all the way to 24, Wallace is good but he's not THAT good. Even if they wheeled and dealed they'd be foolish to trade down that far. As it is they can end up with potentially 3 more picks in the first couple rounds from teams with more ammo than the Steelers.

Even if Wallace doesn't want to sign a long term deal he's better off signing his 1 yr. deal and then hitting the market next year when he has more leverage. It's a risk though because if he gets hurt he could get even less than what the Steelers will offer.

K Train
03-09-2012, 10:18 AM
wallace will want holmes money, stevie johnson money is irrelevant

jnes1216
03-09-2012, 11:42 AM
Just shows you how good WR's are valued in today's game. He's not overly glamouress in the passing game but is the main focus. Similar to Mike Wallace from the FO standpoint.

steelspikes
03-09-2012, 11:48 AM
Thanks RDS. The Steeler Way is to build through the draft and not overpay for Free Agents. That's how the team has consistently been among the top contenders.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-10-2012, 09:27 AM
If Wallace had signed a long term deal first then I'd say that his deal will influence what Johnson got. No way Wallace gets Santonio type money this time around.