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Troyisabeast_43
02-06-2012, 06:14 PM
Now before people jump completely down my throat about making this suggestion I have a friend who works inside the Steelers organization in scouting and what not and he has told me a few times that he has heard from certain people who are close to the team that Art Rooney isnt exactly head over heels completely and totally in love with Mike Tomlin like some people like to think. My point is I know Mike Tomlin won a Super Bowl with the Steelers in his 2nd season and has made the playoffs 4 other times and won 3 division titles as well. But his early playoff exits in 2007 losing to the Jags twice in 3 weeks at home, the meltdown in 2009 when the Steelers were 6-2 and they lost 5 in a row and missed the playoffs, his Super Bowl loss last year to the Packers in a game he should have won, and the debacle this year losing to the Broncos and Tim Tebow who were 8-8 in the 1st round. My point is the Steelers are a team who has higher expectations then other teams and just making the playoffs with a team like the Steelers isnt acceptable. A first round loss in the playoffs is like a 6-10 season as far as the fans go and inside the organization.

My point is I think this hiring seeing that Todd Haley is a former head coach and did lead the Chiefs to the playoffs last season might not directly be a threat to Mike Tomlin from Art Rooney but it just might put a little more pressure on Tomlin and let him know that if Todd Haley comes in here and the offense gets better and improves and the Steelers still dont win and more importantly get to the Super Bowl and win the next few seasons that it's going to fall directly on Tomlin and Haley could possibly be the guy down the road to replace Tomlin if things really fall apart and dont get better. Now Tomlin has had success here and done a decent job but I just think something over the last few seasons with Tomlin that something is just not right with this team and they have lost their edge a little bit. Some players on this team are out of control in terms of making comments they shouldnt be and ripping on fans as well on twitter and that right there I believe is a bad reflection on Mike Tomlin. I dont want to sound like a racist or anything because I am not but it just seems like the team over the last few seasons under Tomlin's guidance has become "thugged" out for a better choice of words. The bottom line is Tomlin needs to get this team back to the Super Bowl and win it here over the next 2-3 years especially seeing that Ben is in his prime and you never know how many more chances you really are going to get with Ben being the QB on this team.

SteelCityKid5
02-06-2012, 06:26 PM
I dont buy this one second

Wexell's Twitter: "James C Wexell
"radio 610 in KC reporting Todd Haley to be announced soon as steelers OC" -- I've learned Tomlin was impressed by intrvw"

So Tomlin hired his replacement? Dont think so. Youre jumping the gun

Troyisabeast_43
02-06-2012, 06:33 PM
I think Art Rooney in the end was the one who made this decision and hiring and not Mike Tomlin...

Steelers_All_Day_43
02-06-2012, 06:41 PM
I dont buy this one second

Wexell's Twitter: "James C Wexell
"radio 610 in KC reporting Todd Haley to be announced soon as steelers OC" -- I've learned Tomlin was impressed by intrvw"

So Tomlin hired his replacement? Dont think so. Youre jumping the gun

Please re-read his post a little more carefully.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-06-2012, 06:42 PM
I think this is Haley's shot to get back on track. He left the Chiefs on a bad note with all kinds of poor remarks from fans and media. He's going to keep his head down and run with this job and maybe get another chance as a Head Coach in the future.

I'm not ready yet to say he's next in line to replace Tomlin anytime soon but I do hope he's able to get this offense moving in the right direction.

If this signing lights a fire under Mike Tomlin then I'm all for it. We all know there's things he can do to improve his game, mostly time management. To be clear, Tomlin is not a bad coach. I wouldn't say he's in any way threatened or should be, by Todd Haley but a former head coach won't be afraid to put his ideas on the table with Tomlin and that's not a bad thing.

SteelCityVoice
02-06-2012, 07:55 PM
Tomlin has had more success than Cowher ever had here ALREADY.

Kind of hard for me to envision the Steelers plotting to get rid of a coach who has been to two Super Bowls in 4 years and won one of them.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-06-2012, 08:13 PM
I will Cowher did have an issue with his coaching staff too. I heard many stories from people out in Pittsburgh that talked about how his assistants didn't see eye to him on issues. I think Tomlin has the backing of his staff, it's just a different way of coaching.

I wish the team could practice more in pads during the season, the Steelers always do better that way. Damn CBA.

DIESELMAN
02-06-2012, 08:19 PM
I dont buy this one second

Wexell's Twitter: "James C Wexell
"radio 610 in KC reporting Todd Haley to be announced soon as steelers OC" -- I've learned Tomlin was impressed by intrvw"

So Tomlin hired his replacement? Dont think so. Youre jumping the gun

If Tomlin couldn't see the need to get rid of Arians, what makes you think Tomlin has any idea what to look for in a OC let alone do the hiring. Yes Tomlin does the interviews but considering who let Arians go, Tomlin IMHO is only able to recommend someone for a position such as OC.

SteelDad
02-06-2012, 08:30 PM
Nope.

Troyisabeast_43
02-06-2012, 08:56 PM
Tomlin has had more success than Cowher ever had here ALREADY.



I wouldnt go that far just yet. Bill Cowher took the Steelers to the playoffs his 1st 6 seasons in the league and went to 1 Super Bowl and played in 3 AFC Championship games and won 5 division titles in that span of 6 seasons. Yes Cowher didnt win a Super Bowl as quickly as Tomlin did but I do think that Bill Cowher had to build his team up a lot more when Noll retired in 1991 and make them a contender every single season, then Mike Tomlin had to do here in 2007 and 2008 when the Steelers were fresh off a Super Bowl title 2 years before. I know a lot of people will disagree with this and some wont but I will still say that Mike Tomlin won that first Super Bowl with Bill Cowher's team and the majority of the players that Cowher left him. He was one miraculous drive and throw and catch by Ben and Holmes from blowing that Super Bowl to Arizona being up 13 points going into the 4th quarter. And we saw what happened exactly a year ago tonight in the Super Bowl against the Packers the majority of those players in that game were Mike Tomlin's players and Tomlin's team and what did he do he lost. Tomlin has a lot of rebuilding to do with this team seeing that a lot of the key players on this team are getting old and are not going to be here much longer. The next 2-3 seasons we will find out most definitely how good of a coach Mike Tomlin truly is or if the Super Bowl win back in 2008 was simply a fluke. In my opinion, Tomlin is going to have to win at least one more Super Bowl in the next 2-3 seasons while Ben is still at the top of his game and start winning some of these playoff games he should be winning ala the Jags and Broncos before I will completely get off his back.

SteelCityKid5
02-06-2012, 09:00 PM
I just hate the fact people bust on Tomlin. No one on here knows what he does behind the scenes. I think hes had an awesome run so far in Pittsburgh. And as for "i dont wanna seem racist", thugged out isnt a better choice of words. I dont even know how Tomlin displayed "thugged out" behavior over the last couple of years. We went 12-4 this year and were in the SB the year before that. Once again, youre jumping the gun with Haley.

MattyVfromCT
02-06-2012, 09:15 PM
I just hate the fact people bust on Tomlin. No one on here knows what he does behind the scenes. I think hes had an awesome run so far in Pittsburgh. And as for "i dont wanna seem racist", thugged out isnt a better choice of words. I dont even know how Tomlin displayed "thugged out" behavior over the last couple of years. We went 12-4 this year and were in the SB the year before that. Once again, youre jumping the gun with Haley.

cosigned. peezy, flowers, bam morris, etc weren't exactly leave it to beaver suburb living white boys. everything is overblown because the media coverage and social networking brings player's personalities to the forefront a lot more than it did years ago. we aren't exactly the jailhouse bungles........

Steelers_All_Day_43
02-06-2012, 10:03 PM
I just hate the fact people bust on Tomlin. No one on here knows what he does behind the scenes. I think hes had an awesome run so far in Pittsburgh. And as for "i dont wanna seem racist", thugged out isnt a better choice of words. I dont even know how Tomlin displayed "thugged out" behavior over the last couple of years. We went 12-4 this year and were in the SB the year before that. Once again, youre jumping the gun with Haley.

I hate it too , I don't understand some fans who rip tomlin and Ben any chance they get. I mean you don't have to love them but some people criticize at EVERY possible opportunity they have

Zachintosh66
02-06-2012, 10:39 PM
Wow, the new blood around here is killing me w these doucebag questions...

elephantman
02-06-2012, 11:13 PM
one comment you made in post was 'we should have won last yrs SB"...I dont know about that, the packers were pretty dam good, 6 point Favorites...and followed it up with a 15-1 season.....dont give me that we should have won sh-t...we could have won sure.

perhaps we should try and Hire Tom Coughlin, the flavor of the month

Real Deal Steel
02-07-2012, 12:04 AM
I dont buy this one second. Youre jumping the gun

Ditto.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-07-2012, 03:50 PM
It's been floating around a lot today that Rooney II was the one that told Tomlin to hire Haley. From what I heard the interview went well with Haley but I think this was a case where Tomlin wanted to explore more options and Art II made it clear who he felt was best for the job.

I honestly like the fact that the front office is a more active. That's not to say that they haven't before because they have but sometimes coaches have it in their mind what they want the owners don't always completely agree. Nobody will ever mistake the Rooney's for the Jones' in Dallas that's for sure..LOL.

Tomlin is fine, Rooney II is fine, there won't be some civil war in the front offices.

Troyisabeast_43
02-08-2012, 05:53 PM
one comment you made in post was 'we should have won last yrs SB"...I dont know about that, the packers were pretty dam good, 6 point Favorites...and followed it up with a 15-1 season.....dont give me that we should have won sh-t...we could have won sure.

perhaps we should try and Hire Tom Coughlin, the flavor of the month

The Packers were beatable in that Super Bowl dude. The Steelers turned the damn ball over 3 times to the Packers none and still only lost by 6 points and had a chance to win the game in the final 2 minutes on the final drive of the game...So yes they should have won and I will stick by that and they blew a huge huge opportunity that might not come back around...

LarryNJ
02-08-2012, 08:52 PM
I honestly like the fact that the front office is a more active. ...

Tomlin is fine, Rooney II is fine, there won't be some civil war in the front offices.

I agree, it's an organization. Major decisions in any company are made by a group of managers, not one owner, president, or manager. Hiring or firing a coordinator is a decision that should not be one persons to make. When you have an overpowering owner like Jerry Jones, or a coach who has too much control like Andy Reid who's coach, VP of operations, and director of player personnel it seldom works as well.

People are always going to criticize the coach and the QB unless they win the SB. It goes on everywhere.

NYCsteelersfan
02-08-2012, 11:23 PM
under Tomlin's guidance has become "thugged" out for a better choice of words. The bottom line is Tomlin needs to get this team back to the Super Bowl and win it here over the next 2-3 years especially seeing that Ben is in his prime and you never know how many more chances you really are going to get with Ben being the QB on this team.

I wouldn't say "thugged" out. I would just say he's simply too much of a players coach. The players just get along with him way too well. I don't want a coach that players like. I want a coach that players both fear and respect.

Everyone on here complained about Roethlisberger and Arians being buddy/buddy. Well it was Tomlin's job to step in and tell those two to stop jerking each other off and put points on the board before someone got his *** handed to him.


I think Art Rooney in the end was the one who made this decision and hiring and not Mike Tomlin...

There's no doubt about that in my opinion as well.


Tomlin has had more success than Cowher ever had here ALREADY.

Tomlin has had Roethlisberger for his entire tenure. Cowher had Roethlisberger for only 3 years. First year, he went to the AFC championship. Second year, he won the Superbowl. Third year, Roethlisberger almost died twice.


I will Cowher did have an issue with his coaching staff too. I heard many stories from people out in Pittsburgh that talked about how his assistants didn't see eye to him on issues. I think Tomlin has the backing of his staff, it's just a different way of coaching.

I wish the team could practice more in pads during the season, the Steelers always do better that way. Damn CBA.

No matter what, he was always in charge. He was always the general and none of the players wanted to f$%k with him.

harpo
02-10-2012, 10:00 AM
If anything, Haley has put himself in a position to be a possible future HC, depending on how successful this offense becomes. I'm sure he'll get another shot as a HC. However, I doubt that it will be in Pittsburgh.

BlacknGold Bleeder
02-10-2012, 10:46 PM
Lebeau is a former head coach also so wouldn't he have the inside track...I think your reaching on this one. If Tomlin gets canned I doubt the next one would come form within,I seem to remember Whiz and Grimm betting blown off...

Destossel
02-11-2012, 09:25 AM
This thread is hilarious. Proof positive that every armchair QB is now an armchair GM and owner. PB does not win every SB every year and loses some playoff games when the team is decimated by injuries and all of a sudden the coach who led them to 12-4 for three years in a row is now on the chopping block for a former head coach turned OC ?

Looks like front running to me. Where are you guys going to be when the Steelers are 6-10 ? It will happen. Happened to Cowher two years in a row and he stuck around and won a SB. Leaving the coaching and GM decisions to the professionals and go drink some beer.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-12-2012, 01:31 PM
This thread is hilarious. Proof positive that every armchair QB is now an armchair GM and owner. PB does not win every SB every year and loses some playoff games when the team is decimated by injuries and all of a sudden the coach who led them to 12-4 for three years in a row is now on the chopping block for a former head coach turned OC ?

Looks like front running to me. Where are you guys going to be when the Steelers are 6-10 ? It will happen. Happened to Cowher two years in a row and he stuck around and won a SB. Leaving the coaching and GM decisions to the professionals and go drink some beer.


It's not like we came up with this story on our own, it's been all over the internet since Haley was hired. It's just an option that many feel is something that is being considered down the road by the Rooney's. You don't bring in a coordinator who couldn't be a potential head coach one day. Even though Haley has been in that role with mixed results, don't put it past them to consider him for the job should Tomlin leave or be pushed out.

I'm not saying it can or will happen, but it's not a complete impossibility either.

Besides, that's what message boards and fan sites are for, to debate topics! :yellowthumb:

NYCsteelersfan
02-14-2012, 07:09 PM
This thread is hilarious. Proof positive that every armchair QB is now an armchair GM and owner. PB does not win every SB every year and loses some playoff games when the team is decimated by injuries and all of a sudden the coach who led them to 12-4 for three years in a row is now on the chopping block for a former head coach turned OC ?

Looks like front running to me. Where are you guys going to be when the Steelers are 6-10 ? It will happen. Happened to Cowher two years in a row and he stuck around and won a SB. Leaving the coaching and GM decisions to the professionals and go drink some beer.

There's another Steelers forum that exists for the sole purpose of cheerleading the team and every decision that is made by players, coaches, and managers. You should go check it out.