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Troyisabeast_43
01-30-2012, 12:02 PM
Tomlin's credibility is totally shot on this whole Arians situation now because he came out and issued the statement in which he said Bruce Arians informed me today he is retiring from football and decided this was the best decision for him at this point and time and blah blah blah. That statement Tomlin read was a complete and total lie and it really makes his credibility take a huge hit if you ask me from this day forward in terms of anything else he says or does. Like a few people said I know they wanted BA to go out with a little class instead of just saying they were going to fire him but if they knew at all that it was going to turn out to be anything like this they would have been better off saying that we just let Arians go and felt that a change was neccessary and we are going to go in another direction. The whole statement thing that Tomlin issued on Arians retiring as I said really makes him look bad and makes his credibility take a huge huge hit in my opinion...It didnt have to go down this way the Steelers should have handled it better then they did...

elephantman
01-30-2012, 12:09 PM
I am surprised myself he told such a blatent lie....though perhaps more happened behind the scenes ...as Tomlin wanted BA to stay..he had to know the truth would come out..maybe BA was told w/out tomlin being aware...of course that doesent make tomlin look any better

LatrobePA
01-30-2012, 12:18 PM
WHY??? It wasn't up to him, his boss(s) made this decision...

I'm not a big MT fan but he had nothing to do with this one! Why all the crying? We all wanted BA gone, cut, fired, killed, ran over, drowned, murdered, buried alive, kidnapped, sent packing.. So who cares now that BA was forced out?

BlitzburghRockCity
01-30-2012, 12:24 PM
I have to say the media is still running with this story. How the Steelers have had just an awful 2012 so far. It started with losing the Broncos and has literally gone downhill since. Between the Hampton, Pouncey, and Starks surgeries and now the coaching change screw up.

The sooner they can put a staff together and get past this the better.

Latrobe, I think it basically comes down the front office, seemingly undermining Tomlin by not renewing Arians deal after Tomlin said they were coming back. Granted MT did specify that things could change but he seemed to indicate getting his staff wasn't going to be an issue.

LatrobePA
01-30-2012, 12:31 PM
True I see your point but I think we all should know MT had noting to do with this decision, of course he wanted BA back but that was out of his control.

Maybe BA isn't the only one that was or is on the hot seat?

Troyisabeast_43
01-30-2012, 01:27 PM
The point is Tomlin knew he wasnt retiring and he shouldnt have come out and issued the statement that he did when he said Bruce Arians informed me today he has decided to retire from football. It was a total blatant lie and whether Rooney told Tomlin to issue this statement or whether he did it on his own it still doesnt make him look good and real credible going forward...

BlitzburghRockCity
01-30-2012, 01:34 PM
It's no surprise either that Tomlin has stayed quiet, not saying a word since his last presser after the Denver loss. I find it odd that they didn't think this thru further before the whole retirement saga started. "We've decided to move in another direction and not renew Bruce Arians' contract. We thank him for his service, blah blah blah." Saying that would have saved them from all this controversy.

I applaud Rooney for making the decision here, it's his right too..just wish it would have been handled differently. It's unlike them to have this blow up in their face.

I still don't think though there is cause for major alarm, coaches come and go, it happens. Just put your staff together and let's move forward.

cmerrifield
01-30-2012, 03:00 PM
I am still not convinced this wasnt MT's decision. He said that he anticipated the coordinators coming back, but its football and things could change. He gave himself an out. Also, Tomlin didnt lie. BA wasnt getting his contract renewed and so he said, "I am retiring." Tomlin just quoted that.

elephantman
01-30-2012, 03:02 PM
True I see your point but I think we all should know MT had noting to do with this decision, of course he wanted BA back but that was out of his control.

Maybe BA isn't the only one that was or is on the hot seat?

^ so who else are u suggesting may be on the Hot Seat??...MT? IDK about that, he has a pretty good resume...though I would love to have Cowher back, MT has done a pretty good job taking this team to 2 SB's and winning 12 games this yr with 7 starters missing and QB and Woodley at 50% and losing a close one in playoffs on road....

LatrobePA
01-30-2012, 03:09 PM
^ so who else are u suggesting may be on the Hot Seat??...MT? IDK about that, he has a pretty good resume...though I would love to have Cowher back, MT has done a pretty good job taking this team to 2 SB's and winning 12 games this yr with 7 starters missing and QB and Woodley at 50% and losing a close one in playoffs on road....

I'd say that the FO going over MT may of sent a message...

papabaier
01-30-2012, 03:33 PM
I agree MT has a good resume, but I think his game planning and time management SUCKS. Can't get his team up against inferior teams, no killer instinct. Not a big MT fan. Bring in Gruden.:rant2:

chisteeler
01-30-2012, 03:47 PM
I agree with troyisabeast, that all they had to say was that they were not renewing his contract. But as we all know in this day and age, there is the public awareness of being politically correct and not hurting anyone's feelings.
I'm actually surprised that the FO has not issued an apology to BA for firing him.

LarryNJ
01-30-2012, 03:58 PM
I am still not convinced this wasnt MT's decision. He said that he anticipated the coordinators coming back, but its football and things could change. He gave himself an out. Also, Tomlin didnt lie. BA wasnt getting his contract renewed and so he said, "I am retiring." Tomlin just quoted that.

:plus1:

BA decided to come out of retirement...no problem.

JollyRob68
01-30-2012, 04:05 PM
It's no surprise either that Tomlin has stayed quiet, not saying a word since his last presser after the Denver loss. I find it odd that they didn't think this thru further before the whole retirement saga started. "We've decided to move in another direction and not renew Bruce Arians' contract. We thank him for his service, blah blah blah." Saying that would have saved them from all this controversy.

I applaud Rooney for making the decision here, it's his right too..just wish it would have been handled differently. It's unlike them to have this blow up in their face.

I still don't think though there is cause for major alarm, coaches come and go, it happens. Just put your staff together and let's move forward.

I agree this should of been the statement "We've decided to move in another direction and not renew Bruce Arians' contract. We thank him for his service, blah blah blah."
However, I think both Arians & LeBeau should be gone and it's past the time for Keith Butler to become The DC. Art II should have made LeBeau an advisor so he stay's with the Steelers and told Tomlin it's time to change..
Mike Tomlin Jumped the gun when he said both would be back and should of said I'm not going to rush to any decisions. We'll critique this season during our exit interview process and make our adjustments from there.

Troyisabeast_43
01-30-2012, 04:58 PM
I am still not convinced this wasnt MT's decision. He said that he anticipated the coordinators coming back, but its football and things could change. He gave himself an out. Also, Tomlin didnt lie. BA wasnt getting his contract renewed and so he said, "I am retiring." Tomlin just quoted that.

I dont believe that. Tomlin knew BA wasnt retiring and that he had been fired and I think it was a dumb part on both the Rooney's and Tomlin himself to issue that statement saying Bruce Arians informed me today he is retiring from football because it flat out wasnt true plain and simple. Arians had no plans to retire from football at age 59 he still wanted to coach a lot more if given the opportunity. I dont believe that when they told him he wasnt getting his contract renewed his exact words to Tomlin were "Ok Im retiring then Mike". The Steelers chose to let Arians go out with some dignity and say he was retiring thinking it wouldnt blow up in their face which it clearly did.

LatrobePA
01-30-2012, 05:19 PM
Simple case of MT getting ahead of himself... Mike is a young coach, he'll learn from this!

connecticutsteel
01-30-2012, 07:21 PM
I think that Arians blabbed to the media after they made the decision to say he was retiring

steelchamp204
01-30-2012, 07:44 PM
MT didnt let him go, the FO did. TOMLIN AINT GOT THE NUTS

JensK
01-30-2012, 08:30 PM
I don't see how this is Tomlins fault. He wanted Arians back, and acted accordingly. Now obviously that is debatable whether or not that was a good idea, but he wanted him back regardless and that was what he advocated for. Rooney did not agree with that, and Tomlin acted accordingly again. He could hardly say no to Rooney. Saying he retired was just a way of letting him go with some sort of dignity. Not really their fault that Arians then started to get all vocal and joined a new team like a week afterwards.

Real Deal Steel
01-30-2012, 08:41 PM
Tomlin was saying what Rooney wanted him to say. Period. Arians is gone, he wasn't a good fit so it was no loss. Let's move on .

Bradshaw22
01-30-2012, 08:44 PM
Tomlin loses no credibility in my book. Heck of a coach!

bigplaysteel
01-31-2012, 12:03 PM
[QUOTE=LarryNJ;481709]:plus1:

I am still not convinced this wasnt MT's decision. He said that he anticipated the coordinators coming back, but its football and things could change. He gave himself an out. Also, Tomlin didnt lie. BA wasnt getting his contract renewed and so he said, "I am retiring." Tomlin just quoted that.

BA decided to come out of retirement...no problem.

Exactly! Sports figures are forever retiring, unretiring, considering retirement etc. Move on!

Actually, I consider this is a win win win situation. Good for Ben, Good for Arians, and Good for the Steelers.
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--- Added 1/31/2012 at 10:03 AM ---

It just occurred to me. Would anyone's credibility be questioned if they said they think "Brett Favre retired" any one of at least a dozen times the past several years. http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/images/editor/smilie.gif

BlitzburghRockCity
01-31-2012, 01:47 PM
I'm somewhat anxious to hear from Tomlin at some point this offseason but the way he prefers to steer clear of the media I don't expect it to be anytime soon. Something else to watch for, when the team announces their Offensive Coordinator and has a presser we'll see who introduces him; Rooney or Tomlin or both.