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Stairwayto7
12-20-2011, 01:12 AM
If ben was to get hurt even more then Tomlin should be suspended! Alot of ppl thought maybe he should have been pulled in the first half, but he did throw better in the second half. Still you cant win, but we sure could lose if he was to be injured even more. Three picks and a fumble!!

BlitzburghRockCity
12-20-2011, 01:28 AM
I can't blame Tomlin for keeping Ben in the game in the 2nd half. The Steelers were only down by 6 points and came out with a big stop to star the 2nd half.

Now late in the 4th quarter when he was getting pounded play after play and it was 20-3; I could see making a case for pulling him. Tomlin will say that they were not going to give up, there was still a lot of time left. If Ben can play then he will play.

However, there would have been no shame in pulling Ben at that point. You still run your offense as you would but knowing the offensive line couldn't stop the pass rush and Ben can't run away from the pressure, I would have liked to see him on the sidelines. In the end he didn't hurt himself anymore so they dodged a bullet.

steelersbabex25
12-20-2011, 01:30 AM
Tomlin didn't keep Ben in the game. Ben kept Ben in the game.

Stairwayto7
12-20-2011, 01:32 AM
I didnt want him pulled until we couldnt come back...down 20-3 and they were getting better, and Ben was getting beaten, he should have been out! and no reason to play saturday

--- Added 12/19/2011 at 11:32 PM ---


Tomlin didn't keep Ben in the game. Ben kept Ben in the game.

BS! Tomlin makes that call!

Dee Mca
12-20-2011, 01:38 AM
Ben wasn't still in to feed the ball to his former star wide out and former super bowl mvp. So no idea why he was still in

steelersbabex25
12-20-2011, 01:40 AM
BS! Tomlin makes that call!

Were you watching the game? Tomlin definitely told Ben to take a seat. Ben ran on to the field with his helmet on at the start of each series. Not much a head coach can do about that. There are a lot of things you can blame Tomlin for in this game. That is not one of them.

Stairwayto7
12-20-2011, 01:44 AM
Were you watching the game? Tomlin definitely told Ben to take a seat. Ben ran on to the field with his helmet on at the start of each series. Not much a head coach can do about that. There are a lot of things you can blame Tomlin for in this game. That is not one of them.

Yes I was watching the game Eve! Thankl you! As usual your opinion is the only that counts! Tomlin is the head coach it should have been decided before we got the ball back way before that Ben wasnt going back in! Batch should have been warming up as soon as there were 7 minutes to and we were down 17

steelersbabex25
12-20-2011, 01:47 AM
Yes I was watching the game Eve! Thankl you! As usual your opinion is the only that counts! Tomlin is the head coach it should have been decided before we got the ball back way before that Ben wasnt going back in! Batch should have been warming up as soon as there were 7 minutes to and we were down 17

I'll say again..I highly doubt Tomlin was pushing Ben to go back in the game. Ben is not a 7 year old playing in a pee wee league. He's a multi million dollar quarterback in the NFL. If he wants back in the game, he's going back in the game. What Tomlin says doesn't matter.

Stairwayto7
12-20-2011, 01:49 AM
:imho:
I'll say again..I highly doubt Tomlin was pushing Ben to go back in the game. Ben is not a 7 year old playing in a pee wee league. He's a multi million dollar quarterback in the NFL. If he wants back in the game, he's going back in the game. What Tomlin says doesn't matter.

BS! :imho:

BlitzburghRockCity
12-20-2011, 03:09 PM
Tomlin said in his press conference today, which by the way we'll have the full audio posted up this afternoon, that he never considered pulling Ben in that game.

When asked if he felt Ben was ready to go and if his health would be good enough to be an asset to the offense he said basically that he talked to Ben and didn't want to deny him the opportunity to compete.

Now here's where I have a bit of a problem. You are the head coach, that means making the tough decisions. Just because a player says they want to play, you don't always give in. Nobody in the world can question Ben's toughness but since being mobile is such a big part of his game, you're putting him and the offense at a disadvantage by leaving him out there. There's no disgrace in pulling him late in the game when the pass rush is at a fever pitch. You bring in Batch, let him try and do something or better yet bring in Dixon and let him atleast try and make some plays with his legs.

I understand that it's Big Ben we're talking about here. He gives you the best chance to win and this was a big game, one that if Ben doesn't play your chances of winning are diminished. I fully supported Ben starting in this game, no question about it. However late in the 4th quarter when things are falling apart and the pass rush is coming at you like crazy, I would have pulled him and let someone else finish out the night.

What I'm getting at here is that Tomlin at some point needs to pull the trigger with Ben in these situations and get him out. He does it with Troy, Woodley, and others who are hurt. Ben may be "the man" but he's still you're player.

Stairwayto7
12-20-2011, 04:35 PM
Tomlin said in his press conference today, which by the way we'll have the full audio posted up this afternoon, that he never considered pulling Ben in that game.

When asked if he felt Ben was ready to go and if his health would be good enough to be an asset to the offense he said basically that he talked to Ben and didn't want to deny him the opportunity to compete.

Now here's where I have a bit of a problem. You are the head coach, that means making the tough decisions. Just because a player says they want to play, you don't always give in. Nobody in the world can question Ben's toughness but since being mobile is such a big part of his game, you're putting him and the offense at a disadvantage by leaving him out there. There's no disgrace in pulling him late in the game when the pass rush is at a fever pitch. You bring in Batch, let him try and do something or better yet bring in Dixon and let him atleast try and make some plays with his legs.

I understand that it's Big Ben we're talking about here. He gives you the best chance to win and this was a big game, one that if Ben doesn't play your chances of winning are diminished. I fully supported Ben starting in this game, no question about it. However late in the 4th quarter when things are falling apart and the pass rush is coming at you like crazy, I would have pulled him and let someone else finish out the night.

What I'm getting at here is that Tomlin at some point needs to pull the trigger with Ben in these situations and get him out. He does it with Troy, Woodley, and others who are hurt. Ben may be "the man" but he's still you're player.

Exactly! Tomlin should have manned up and pulled Ben! Its Tomlins decision its his job to whats best for the team, not just yesterday, everyday. So he should have pulled ben and live to fight another day!

Troyisabeast_43
12-20-2011, 05:15 PM
Tomlin was pretty pissed at his press conference today and pretty much ended it on his own terms when the media kept asking him questions about the penalty calls and such. Tomlin snapped back and said you guys can blame the refs all you want but we lost cause we got out played and then he abruptly said thank you and got up and left...

Rampage
12-20-2011, 05:39 PM
Awful coaching to keep him in. Even if he could have put together a TD drive, the defense couldn't stop San Francisco. Not worth the risk of further injury or even a slower healing process. If this is all we have to look forward to from our QB, the playoffs will be over quickly. Let him heal and live to fight another day.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-21-2011, 12:17 AM
Ben Roethlisberger didn't leave (http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/Steelers%20coach%20is%20defending%20Big%20Ben%20de cision%20-%20Pittsburgh%20Tribune-Review%20http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_772951.html#ixzz1h8uP2xfD) Monday night's game late in the fourth quarter with the outcome decided because, well, he didn't want to.

With the Steelers trailing San Francisco by three scores, Roethlisberger refused to exit the game despite being limited with a high-ankle sprain sustained Dec. 8.
"When Coach tried to get me out, I said, 'No, I'm not putting you in that situation, and I'm not quitting on our guys," Roethlisberger said. "I started this thing. I'm going to finish it."

Roethlisberger played the final two series, passing nine times and getting sacked twice, as the Steelers wasted an opportunity to take over the top spot in the AFC with a 20-3 loss to the 49ers.

Roethlisberger threw for 330 yards but failed to lead his team into the end zone for the first time in the past 28 games he started.
At his weekly news conference Tuesday, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin defended Roethlisberger's refusal to leave the game and his allowing Roethlisberger to dictate as much.

"He is a competitor, and I am not going to deny those guys those opportunities," Tomlin said. "His teammates definitely have an appreciation for that."
Tomlin said at no point did he seriously consider pulling Roethlisberger. Charlie Batch began warming up with about six minutes remaining in the game.
Tomlin has been in the same situation before with Roethlisberger, as has former coach Bill Cowher.

During Week 1 against Baltimore this year, Roethlisberger did not come out of a game the Steelers were losing 35-7. In 2006, with Cowher as coach, Roethlisberger stayed in the entire game despite trailing the Ravens, 27-0, with four minutes left. Roethlisberger was healthy in both of those games.

However, just three weeks ago, Roethlisberger sat the final 10 minutes against the Cincinnati Bengals with the Steelers leading, 35-7. He broke a thumb earlier in the game.

"I know what kind of competitor he is," Tomlin said. "I wanted to support him in that."
It is unknown whether Roethlisberger will play against St. Louis on Saturday, but he said he will leave the decision up to Tomlin.

"I always want to play," Roethlisberger said. "I want to be there and give my guys everything I have. I'll go out and play at 5 percent, I don't care. I told coach that. I said, 'It is your call. You make the call. You are the head coach.' "
Tomlin said he will use the week to evaluate Roethlisberger's high-ankle sprain before making a decision.

"He felt sore, of course, but he was no worse for the wear, as far as I could tell," Tomlin said. "We made the decision to give that guy an opportunity, and we don't second-guess it regardless of the outcome."

coldrolled
12-21-2011, 08:02 AM
I guess this is why we dont get high picks for our sideline players.

I would have had dixon ready with a game plan. played him the second half for sure, if we won, bens in next week, if we lost dennis finishes the season. if he plays real well since we really dont like him, have him play backup next year and trade him during the season to the first time that loses their QB and get something for him. ben gets his healing time, dixon can then stay or go. the draft is coming we sign a QB. we still have leftwich.

papabaier
12-22-2011, 10:04 AM
Ben told Tomlin before the game he couldnt scramble, couldnt move well in pocket, would not be able to roll out, basically would not be the Ben that can win games.
Tomlin was STUPID too start Ben in his condition. Anyone that watched the warm-ups knew Steelers O was in for a long day. I dont like our coaching staff. Think it needs revamped. Tomlin good talker but makes terrible game time decisions, clock management sucks, adjustments suck.

jnes1216
12-22-2011, 10:39 AM
Like others have said, lets hope Tomlin wakes up and sits Ben for St. Louis at the very least. Why is Batch or Dixon on the team if we don't trust them to start one game. Next man up, right coach? Someone is not seeing the big picture. Ben is always gonna say he can play, but its just like players making decisions on coming back into the game after a concussion. Their competitiveness is doing the talking when the logical choice is to sit. Yes better seeding was on the line and the north crown but if you cant trust your backups for the regular season, then why risk your franchise qb to further injury in week 15.

StillersSound
12-22-2011, 02:15 PM
This is on Ben. I highly doubt Tomlin wanted him out there at 50%. I like that Ben is a warrior but at some point you need to think about your health/playoffs. IMO Ben is being selfish and trying to get out there and play hurt to help his image.

DIESELMAN
12-22-2011, 02:16 PM
Would it be different had we won, Ben throwing 3 TD's instead of INT's?

Steelersfan
12-22-2011, 09:29 PM
Would it be different had we won, Ben throwing 3 TD's instead of INT's?

Of course it would....lol But still. Once they were down 3 scores and not a lot if time left Ben should have been pulled. At the very least he shouldn't have been in there for the last possession.

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Steelers/PSU Fan
12-23-2011, 01:17 AM
I have no problem Ben playing in the game, he was our only chance to win. But once the game was at hand, not sure why he wasn't pulled. Imagine if Ben further injured his ankle in the final minutes when the game was essentially over.

Dobre Shunka
12-23-2011, 03:15 AM
I simply don't understand why our hurt, one legged, franchise QB was out on that field in the condition he was in w/ 2 minutes left in which he could have been really injured? He is our future, franchise, and budget for the foreseeable future and he wasn't even able to get up off the field unassisted. It was painful to watch and according to some, even more painful to be playing against him. Now that's an embarrassment.

You can spin it any which way but the buck always stops w/ the coach. The risk far out weighed the reward, at that point in the game, and that's an understatement of how disastrous it could have been.

C'Mon Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DIESELMAN
12-23-2011, 04:08 AM
Of course it would....lol But still. Once they were down 3 scores and not a lot if time left Ben should have been pulled. At the very least he shouldn't have been in there for the last possession.

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I have no problem Ben playing in the game, he was our only chance to win. But once the game was at hand, not sure why he wasn't pulled. Imagine if Ben further injured his ankle in the final minutes when the game was essentially over.



I simply don't understand why our hurt, one legged, franchise QB was out on that field in the condition he was in w/ 2 minutes left in which he could have been really injured? He is our future, franchise, and budget for the foreseeable future and he wasn't even able to get up off the field unassisted. It was painful to watch and according to some, even more painful to be playing against him. Now that's an embarrassment.

You can spin it any which way but the buck always stops w/ the coach. The risk far out weighed the reward, at that point in the game, and that's an understatement of how disastrous it could have been.

C'Mon Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree guys, he should have been pulled out of the game instead of staying in to risk further injury. That's on both Tomlin and Ben. Ben has nothing to prove to the other 52 guys on that team, he should've came out when Tomlin asked him to. Tomlin should not have asked him to come out, he should have ordered him out. It is what it is.....