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BlitzburghRockCity
12-08-2011, 11:22 PM
Ok so let me guess this straight, and by all means please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Isaac Redman is better between the 20's and Rashard Mendnehall is better at the goal line. With your starting Center out of the game and a totally inept replacement at LG you decide to run 4 straight plays to the right with a guy who's not your short yardage specialist? That about cover it? Oh wait, it's Isaac Redman that's better in the redzone, no wait that's not it. Oh screw it, let's just run it and not take the sure 3 points in a close game with our QB who can barely walk. Ben audibles to a run on 3rd down which results in nothing.

The Browns are selling out to stop the run; crashing the line with literally every defender on the field. Meanwhile you could have had a back or TE release in the flat for an easy TD pass.

That about cover it?

In that situation, Tomlin said in his post game press conference that he would do it again in that same situation. Now, I get the whole mentality of stepping on their throat, ripping their hearts, and breaking their will. If you have 4 shots at the 2 yd. line you should be able to score a TD. Yes I get that, but there's no shame in kicking a FG and getting a sure 3 points to get yourself up by a full TD in a close game where turnovers are plentiful.

After all that I would have kicked the FG and taken my chances with the defense holding onto the win. In the end it worked out because the Steelers defense held and got the ball back for the offense, who promptly took the punt at the Browns 36 and did nothing with it. Maybe it worked out, maybe it didn't, but it's a win.

BR7
12-08-2011, 11:41 PM
Only up by 4, you most definitely kick the FG there. This had the makings of Cowher's 7-6 playoff game

steelersbabex25
12-08-2011, 11:45 PM
Like I said in the Gameday thread, I don't have a problem with them going for it on 4th down. Back up an inept Browns offense at their own 1 yard line. Whatever. What I have a problem with is Bruce Arians calling LITERALLY the exact same play 4 times in a row. It's like this is what's going through his head.

1st and goal: Stuffed? Okay, let's try it one more time. He's gotta get that yard.
2nd and goal: Stuffed again. Hm. Ok, just one more time. Swear, last time I'm calling this play.
3rd and goal: Ok, seriously the last time now.

SteelCityVoice
12-08-2011, 11:45 PM
If the Steelers had lost that game, it would have been on Tomlin for not kicking that FG. And yeah, I said it on Twitter. WHERE IS REDMAN???

Some might argue Redman is the better back right now anyways. They'd be wrong, but in that situation he is.

RIVERS OF STEEL
12-08-2011, 11:49 PM
Was the stupidest call. I mean damn who didn't know how out of balance we were. A breeze could of given this game to the clowns. 3 points would of balanced things out enough for the troops to regroup. two tries of the same play, so, let's try that one more time. Who on SA didn't see this?

LevonKirkland99
12-08-2011, 11:53 PM
Tomlin just mentioned in the press conference that , his own words " if we can't score from two yards form the goal line then we deserve to loose".

I guess he was confident we'd score. I know we should've kicked the FG, but how can we not score for 2 yards out? ##pathetic##

Stairwayto7
12-08-2011, 11:54 PM
Tomlin just said it was the right call no regrets. He siad if u cant get it in four tries from the 2 yard line. then u deserve to lose

LatrobePA
12-08-2011, 11:55 PM
Play action to 83, just say'n!

steelersbabex25
12-08-2011, 11:57 PM
Play action to 83, just say'n!

Was waiting for the play action to Wallace on third down. Then all of the sudden, I see a hand off to Mendy. Really?

LatrobePA
12-09-2011, 12:10 AM
Head scratcher for sure..

Black@Gold Forever32
12-09-2011, 12:13 AM
Like I said in the Gameday thread, I don't have a problem with them going for it on 4th down. Back up an inept Browns offense at their own 1 yard line. Whatever. What I have a problem with is Bruce Arians calling LITERALLY the exact same play 4 times in a row. It's like this is what's going through his head.

1st and goal: Stuffed? Okay, let's try it one more time. He's gotta get that yard.
2nd and goal: Stuffed again. Hm. Ok, just one more time. Swear, last time I'm calling this play.
3rd and goal: Ok, seriously the last time now.

I would have kicked the three but really playing the field position game there was smart to.....Browns offense is a joke so really forcing them three and out to get the ball in prime field position was also a good move.....I'm with you I had no problem with them going for it either even though I did think kicking the three was the best move.....

Stairwayto7
12-09-2011, 12:16 AM
at least it didnt come back to bite us

BlitzburghRockCity
12-09-2011, 12:44 AM
Late in the game tell me all of your were not sitting thinking those 3 points wouldn't have been nice to have about that time. Or better yet the redzone turnover that should have never happened.

Steelers/PSU Fan
12-09-2011, 01:08 AM
I didn't mind seeing us go for it on 4th and goal, but the play calling was just terrible. 4 downs to get it in and no variation? Should have ran something to the outside or a pass play at least. Ughhhh, I guess they figured we could just pound the ball up the middle on the Browns...not with our O-line.

Clevelandsux
12-09-2011, 01:24 AM
Easy to say after the fact. Poor play selection. I think Tomlin realized the Browns weren't going to drive 98 yards on us.

Dobre Shunka
12-09-2011, 02:07 AM
Horrible play calling and horrible heart from our RB.

Horrible.

Raleigh Steel
12-09-2011, 05:39 AM
Ok so let me guess this straight, and by all means please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Isaac Redman is better between the 20's and Rashard Mendnehall is better at the goal line. With your starting Center out of the game and a totally inept replacement at LG you decide to run 4 straight plays to the right with a guy who's not your short yardage specialist? That about cover it? Oh wait, it's Isaac Redman that's better in the redzone, no wait that's not it. Oh screw it, let's just run it and not take the sure 3 points in a close game with our QB who can barely walk. Ben audibles to a run on 3rd down which results in nothing.

The Browns are selling out to stop the run; crashing the line with literally every defender on the field. Meanwhile you could have had a back or TE release in the flat for an easy TD pass.

That about cover it?

In that situation, Tomlin said in his post game press conference that he would do it again in that same situation. Now, I get the whole mentality of stepping on their throat, ripping their hearts, and breaking their will. If you have 4 shots at the 2 yd. line you should be able to score a TD. Yes I get that, but there's no shame in kicking a FG and getting a sure 3 points to get yourself up by a full TD in a close game where turnovers are plentiful.

After all that I would have kicked the FG and taken my chances with the defense holding onto the win. In the end it worked out because the Steelers defense held and got the ball back for the offense, who promptly took the punt at the Browns 36 and did nothing with it. Maybe it worked out, maybe it didn't, but it's a win.


man, i got a lot to say about this, with no time. but to the point that i highlighted...didn't we see this already this season? i think it was against the colts...correct me if i'm wrong. we struggle in this situation so many times but continue to do the same thing....insanity much?

steelersbabex25
12-09-2011, 05:55 AM
Against Green Bay or the Patriots, take the 3 points. Against an offense that has scored 3 points through the entire game, take a chance.

coldrolled
12-09-2011, 08:36 AM
Mendenhall 4x's why not Redman 4x's on goal line

Pouncey was obviously hurt and arians runs two plays up the middle? to finish him off?

This teams coaching staff needs a psychologist on the sidelines.

Even the annoucer said they are passing alot on a team with the worst run defense...

Ben hurt himself. He had nowhere to go and needs to throw the ball out of bounds..

SteelDad
12-09-2011, 08:52 AM
This was a very interesting situation that has numerous sidebars to it. I'll try to address all of them.

The Situation: First and goal at the 2. Up by 4. 3rd quarter. Ben is hobbled so any type of rollout is out of the question. Pouncey is out as well.

The first issue here is the playcalling. Goal line situations are about execution and just plain heart. With Ben's injury, it limited what BA could call, but PA was still available. I like PA on either first or second down. PA on 3rd down is essentially useless because the D will expect pass more often anyway.

1st down: Mendy gets rocked by Gocong
2nd down: Mendy gets rocked again

At this point, it's obvious we aren't getting to the second level because the LBs are killing us. You have to go pass on third but if you don't you have to get Red or MeMo in there because Mendy is still seeing stars.

3rd down: Mendy goes nowhere again.

You're up 4 and your defense has held the Browns' since the opening drive. I understand the thought that if you go for it and don't get it, they have 99 yards to go to take the lead so I understand the thought process. However, is there really any difference if you fail to get the TD and if you kick the FG and then have Sushi bang it through the end zone? To me, with this defense? No. The one or the 20 is still deep and they would still have to get 7.

4th down: The element of surprise is gone now, but what we didn't expect was Mendy for the fourth straight time. I like the aggressiveness, I really do, but the entire series of calls was horrible and so was the execution.

Tomlin needs to think more in game management situations. He had a QB on one leg and a defense that was playing well. Take the damn field goal Mike.

LatrobePA
12-09-2011, 09:00 AM
I agree with Tomlin 1000000000% if you can't get in from 2 yards out you deserve to lose!

BUT why the same play 4 times? IMO they didn't take this Browns team serious at all!

Coming in to last nights game their D was ranked right up there...

Big T
12-09-2011, 09:22 AM
I posted this in another thread but it's appropriate for this one as well:


There is no way you can justify blaming Mendenhall at all for those plays on the goal line. I've never seen an offensive line get blown up four straight plays like last night. I watched each of those 4 downs probably 5 times after the game and the blame falls completely on the line. Do you really expect Rashard to run over 4 guys to get in the endzone? I'm 100% confident that if Pouncey was in there, there would've been 6 points added to the scoreboard. Everyone is always bitching about redman at the goal line but seem to forget that most of Mendenhall's 13 TDs last year came from the goal line. Everyone bitches about Mendy's dancing and how he's not all "smashmouth", but when he's at the goal line, there's no dancing. He finds a hole and goes forward. It's the lines responsibility to create those holes. I get that Mendenhall isn't Bettis, but all the hate is a bit ridiculous. The man ran HARD after Ben went down and had a very solid game. Before that goal line stand he had 12 carries for 75 yards. That's over 6 a carry.

igor0190
12-09-2011, 09:47 AM
I disagree... you go for it on 4th. Defence was playing well.

Only thing is you bring Redman in and show Mendenhall that you need to learn how to get low or your not seeing anymore action inside the 5 yard line ever again

Mendy made Gocong look like an elite LB.. he gets his head low, underneath gocong and runs through him, he blows him up and falls in the endzone

Zachintosh66
12-09-2011, 11:00 AM
4th down on 1, im going for it every time. now prior to that the play callings were off. Bunch formation on GL cmon. Why did DJ come in till 4th? Where was Redman especially on 4th...

As a O Cord for an adult football team, im going for it on 4th n G on 1, EVERY TIME, thats not the issue in my book. Its the plays they ran. F a playaction... not on 4th down, on 1st or 2nd, yes. Your screwed if you get sacked. 3 n 1 is better than 3 n 11. But when that doesnt work, let bring in the beef...

BR7
12-09-2011, 11:57 AM
It's easy to say after the fact that going for it was the best call, because we still won. I still say we kick. They have let lesser teams stick around all season, hell.. the past few seasons as well. Getting 3 forces at worst a tie (if they scored and didn't try for two). Why give them a chance at a win? KC almost did, and the Browns almost did as well. I agree the play calling there was horrible, but I say you kick, go up by 7.

WindyCityShaker
12-09-2011, 01:07 PM
You coach the game in front of you right?

In this case wrong.

We're trying to run the table and hope that San Diego or Cincy can knock off the ratbirds. If we don't win THIS game, against a team we absolutely should beat then we're locked into a 5 seed.

We have no shot at home field and/or a bye if we lose to the browns, NONE! At that point the best opportunity to position yourself to win is to extend the game and try and insure a tie just in case. Remember there are 3 phases to a football game and no matter how well our defense is playing, or how inept the Browns offense is, special teams often make a difference in games like last night; and while our coverage teams are much improved this year, anything can happen.

Take the 3 and force them to get in the end zone to tie, not take the lead and hope for some help from other teams.

IMO

LarryNJ
12-10-2011, 12:10 AM
I also agree with Tomlin 100% and I think it was another reason why he is a very good coach. He challenged his players to make 2 yards, and when they didn't he called the same play 3 more times. When they failed he than challenged the defense to pick up the slack and win the game. It was the Browns and if we can't get 2 yards or stop them from mounting a 99 yard drive how the hell are you going to beat Brady or Rodgers in Jan or Feb? If we where playing the Pats or a better team than you run a play action on one of the downs and if you don't make it in 3 you kick the FG. But last night the right call was 4 runs.

connecticutsteel
12-10-2011, 04:33 AM
mendy,redman or d-8 bulldozer nothing could have scored.we should have screenedor te corner route something gocong was launching and leading with his head oh yeah they only call it when it's obvious dude i slowed down one of those runs i think it was the 3rd down try gocong hit mendy with the top of his helmet square in the facemask it almost broke the plexishield on the helmet

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I also agree with Tomlin 100% and I think it was another reason why he is a very good coach. He challenged his players to make 2 yards, and when they didn't he called the same play 3 more times. When they failed he than challenged the defense to pick up the slack and win the game. It was the Browns and if we can't get 2 yards or stop them from mounting a 99 yard drive how the hell are you going to beat Brady or Rodgers in Jan or Feb? If we where playing the Pats or a better team than you run a play action on one of the downs and if you don't make it in 3 you kick the FG. But last night the right call was 4 runs.

larry ben could barely stand and you want play action .............ok!

LarryNJ
12-10-2011, 08:28 AM
larry ben could barely stand and you want play action .............ok!

No, what I meant was is a normal situation that would be the thing to do. :) I agree with the calls on all 4 plays.

coldrolled
12-10-2011, 08:33 AM
No, what I meant was is a normal situation that would be the thing to do. :) I agree with the calls on all 4 plays.

The players used for those 4 plays needed to change..