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BlitzburghRockCity
11-15-2011, 12:37 AM
We talked about this on the podcast tonight and I wanted to pose the question here in the forums to everyone. With instant replay now being used to review every scoring play as well, why not use it to review certain types of penalties?

I'm not suggesting you review every hold, pass interference, or illegal formation but rather use to review any personal foul call. Let's face it, those can be game changing penalties, especially late in the game. If you get a roughing the passer, or helmet to helmet hit late in the game the opposition keeps the chains moving and you're stuck out on the field on the defense. In a close game that can be an absolute killer.

If you're already slowing down the game to review the scoring plays and taking forever to review a normal challenge then you might as well go the next step and make sure a personal foul is really a personal foul. How many times would a perceived helmet to helmet maybe get overturned when you can watch it in slow motion?

Perhaps give the coaches the chance to challenge one of these types per game or just make them an automatic review?

NOVA STEELERS
11-15-2011, 01:13 AM
There would be 5 reviews alone a game when we play then :lol:

cmerrifield
11-15-2011, 08:37 AM
I think maybe. Its hard because Ray Lewis wasnt flagged on his hit on Hines, but should have been, especially since that donkey of a coach challenged the catch. It was incomplete, but a penalty should have been assessed. Maybe not stop the game for a personal foul, but if one is noticed in a replay, it should be assessed. Just like the NE game Sunday night when Gronk's TD was overturned. Ryan didnt know he stepped out of bounds, just thought he juggled the catch a little, but when the saw him step out of bounds, the overturned the decision.

ejsteeler
11-15-2011, 08:47 AM
The problem is too much is reviewed already. Thats why the zebras are constantly second guessing themselves resulting in bad and/or inconsistent calls. I am a fan of reviewing only possession and spots. I am, apparently, all alone in that however. :dunno:

Raleigh Steel
11-15-2011, 09:14 AM
instant replay was installed because the refs weren't getting the calls right especially in scoring situations.

now, they have no clue what a penalty is or not. they usually throw the flag based on the veracity of the hit, and there is no question that they are quick with the flag when the steelers are the ones doing the hitting.

they should go to the college rule where all plays are reviewed and if there is a question then they can call down and stop play...but they have to have some sort of time limit. if you can't look at a play a decide whether the play is good or no good then just go with the call on the field.

as far as helmet to helmet hits are concerned, i could be on board with this too. again, the officials aren't sure what to call, so they call on reputation more than actual evidence. a 30 second review can elicit whether ryan clark lead with his helmet or not on dickerson...he didn't but helmets are gonna collide. same goes with lewis's hit on hines..it wouldn't take 30 seconds to determine that ray lead with his helmet and hit hines in the head, not hines ducking his head into contact.

LatrobePA
11-15-2011, 09:33 AM
I think a coach should be able to throw a flag on a ref, or a brick at him!!

Raleigh Steel
11-15-2011, 09:36 AM
I think a coach should be able to throw a flag on a ref, or a brick at him!!

:lol: make sure BA is close by...just in case aim is a little off.

LatrobePA
11-15-2011, 09:40 AM
:lol: make sure BA is close by...just in case aim is a little off.

Oh man that would be great! Tom Cable would of beat his *** by now!!

SnakeEyes43
11-15-2011, 11:22 AM
I like the idea of it being automatically reviewed, like TDs. That way we know someone is looking at it upstairs and if it's a questionable hit, then the refs can look at it a little more in-depth. With all the fines going on, it would certainly benefit the players. The only thing is I don't know that even the refs know what Goodell and his bad of cowards are considering an "illegal" hit.

Steelersfan
11-15-2011, 12:51 PM
The game happens so fast in front of the officials they are bound to make mistakes. I don't mind TDs being reviewed. I don't mind catches and such being reviewed. But you have to draw the line somewhere or you might as well not have officials on the field. With that said, I see no problem with an official getting a play correct during any review that is allowed now. Coach challenges a catch and official sees a penalty then he can call that. Just can't have a millions reasons to have a review though.

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steelersbabex25
11-15-2011, 01:12 PM
I don't think they should automatically be reviewed. There are certain penalties that I think should be challengable, though.

SnakeEyes43
11-15-2011, 02:32 PM
@steelersbabe; thought I hit "quote" -

It wouldn't take any more time, just like how TDs are automatically looked at upstairs. I guess I just want someone else besides the refs (who only see it full speed once) to get a look and add some judgment to all these personal fouls and illegal hits.

SteelDad
11-15-2011, 03:38 PM
I hate instant replay period. Can I buy it for scoring plays? Yes, but I'm not in favor of it. With that said, if we are seemingly going to review everything else we might as well review personal fouls.

steelersbabex25
11-15-2011, 04:31 PM
@steelersbabe; thought I hit "quote" -

It wouldn't take any more time, just like how TDs are automatically looked at upstairs. I guess I just want someone else besides the refs (who only see it full speed once) to get a look and add some judgment to all these personal fouls and illegal hits.

If it didn't take them 5-10 minutes for each replay, I'd say yes, but you have to draw the line somewhere. If they started automatically reviewing every personal foul play that would be another unnecessary hour added on to each game. There are 3 unnecessary hours already.

LatrobePA
11-15-2011, 04:35 PM
I think they should be challenged...

BlitzburghRockCity
11-15-2011, 10:09 PM
If you automatically review it then you don't make the coach waste a challenge but I could see it either way. Perhaps just an automatic review for any helmet to helmet or roughing the passer type of penalty . You wouldn't necessarily have to review things like crack back personal fouls or face mask but things where it's a total judgement call like the hits we see so often, I really think it could be a good idea.

steelersbabex25
11-15-2011, 10:19 PM
That's just it though. It's a judgement call. It's not like your challenging whether or not the receiver had possession of the ball or he got both feet in bounds. You're challenging someone's opinion. Unless the challenge went to like the personal foul Gods, I just don't see how it would be useful.

Phdboy2020
11-15-2011, 10:27 PM
I personally think that refs should be docked game checks or at least certain percentages for making poor calls. That may help from refs making bogus calls all the time. It has just gotten so out of control it is ridiculous.

BlacknGold Bleeder
11-15-2011, 10:34 PM
They review enough already. Granted some times they really **** ya off when they make a bad call ,but reviewing penalties is too far. What do you want next " non-calls" that should be?? Much more reviewing and ya might as well not have refs,like somebody said...

connecticutsteel
11-15-2011, 10:44 PM
The problem is the officiating crews are all different. If they called holding on the cincinnati Bengals they would still be playing cause it happened on every play i watched the replay and it is an absolute joke how much holding there was .I saw troy get tackled on blitzes worilds was held all nite long watch the replay on nfl network they do slow motion and it is laughable.Worilds would actully have 3 sacks in that game but he was tackled and held

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I personally think that refs should be docked game checks or at least certain percentages for making poor calls. That may help from refs making bogus calls all the time. It has just gotten so out of control it is ridiculous.

i'm in favor of this

BlitzburghRockCity
11-17-2011, 02:15 AM
This also comes back to the never ending question of should the NFL have full time officials? If you did these guys could spend the offseason brushing up the new rules and be able to spend more time at training camps and OTA's to not only help keep themselves ready but help the teams understand the rules and how things are called.

uclkyle
11-17-2011, 03:47 AM
no....