View Full Version : Hines Ward wasn't hurt, the Steelers just didn't put him in

11-13-2011, 05:22 PM
It would appear that you can actually being to say that it's truly the twilight of his career. Normally you say that but you know he's still going to get significant playing time. He's still going to get his catches, yards, and touchdowns.

Today though, he was healthy. No ill affects from the concussion like symptoms according to Tomlin after the game. It's just a situation where guys like Brown, Wallace, Cotchery, and Heath Miller are making more plays and their youth is starting to outgain the experience and savvy playing of Hines.

Make no mistake, Ward will still make some catches this year and he'll be a factor in the Steelers record at some point but this receiving corp for Ben is starting to distance themselves from the veteran.

11-13-2011, 05:26 PM
I just posted this in one of your other threads. Ward has dropped some key passes he used to catch in previous seasons. He's not quite as reliable as he once was/

Not to mention the young guns are just flat out better right now.

11-13-2011, 05:36 PM
He's expendable, Cotchery is more than able to contribute..

11-13-2011, 05:46 PM
Hate to see our best players, some of all time, get old. But imagine if Sanders were there today would Hines play at all?

Black@Gold Forever32
11-13-2011, 05:46 PM
Ward needs to be the 5th WR on this team......Wallace, Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery should be ahead of Hines on the depth chart.....I really liked what I seen of Cotchery today and he should have had two TD's today...looking at the holding call by Heath was total BS.....

11-13-2011, 05:47 PM
That sucks as I was wearing his Jersey today :). I think Hines will contribute in the 2nd half of the season....is this his last year?

11-13-2011, 06:18 PM
I love Hines Ward. We all do but most players dont leave the game on their own terms. I dont think I saw Ward drop a lot of passes but I also think he struggles to get open. With Wallace getting doubled deep it leaves the intermediate routes open and those guys have to get open. Sanders, Brown and Cotchery do a better job of getting open.

11-13-2011, 06:30 PM
Either they are lying about the concussion symptoms or they were extra precautios and gave him an extra 2 weeks to recover.

11-13-2011, 06:33 PM
Torch has been passed... keep him healthy well pull him out in the playoffs!

Thank you hines!

Real Deal Steel
11-13-2011, 08:34 PM
Maybe the torch has been passed?

11-13-2011, 08:38 PM
We all love Hines but the writing is on the wall, he's done a great job grooming our future!

11-13-2011, 08:51 PM
We all love Hines but the writing is on the wall, he's done a great job grooming our future!He's not done quite yet, but it's coming. I still proudly wear his jersey.

11-13-2011, 09:36 PM
I know, it's blasphemous to say that perhaps the great, legendary, future HOF candidate Hines Ward might not be the best option but it's not as far fetched as you think.

We talked about Hines being in the twilight of his career and his lack of playing time against the Bengals on Sunday afternoon in another thread. Ward's credentials are second to none and his place in Steelers history is cemented for all time and then some.

Cotchery today though was in the game when Hines Ward was able to go. He had 1 TD and nearly had another if Ben doesn't overthrow him. He had 2 catches today for 29 yards; hardly anything spectacular but his best production of the season nonetheless.

So would you start Cotchery the rest of the way in place of Ward, or alternate the 2 but still keeping Sanders, Brown, and Wallace on the field as the main 3 WR's?

Black@Gold Forever32
11-13-2011, 10:19 PM
Sanders or Brown needs to start and the other needs to be the third WR...Cotchery the 4th WR and yes keep Hines on the bench....Torched was passed weeks ago people.....Thanks for the memories Hines but you're done as a starter and really shouldn't see any significant snaps unless injury happens to the other WRs....Keep him as the 5th WR for sure and he is still is important as a mentor for the young WR's......

11-13-2011, 10:26 PM
If the torch has really been passed, then this is Hines' last year. 5 million a year is a lot of money for a backup receiver considering Cotchery signed from around 1.

11-13-2011, 11:21 PM
Ok as NFL fans we analyze everything. Hines is at the end of his career, no doubt. But please let's look at this realistically. He has a sprained ankle, and had a concussion last week. If you have ever had a sprained ankle, you know that will hinder you for months. Hines has never been a speedy guy, and if he is nicked then nothing is gonna happen. This will be his last year, and they need to rally around him like they did for the Bus. Let's do it for Hines. Lifetime Steeler!

Real Deal Steel
11-14-2011, 12:50 AM
I think we have a real chance to run the table now. And if we do that, we will win the division. Because it's obvious the Ravens don't have what it takes.

11-14-2011, 11:05 AM
Our young receivers are too talented to justify keeping Hines on the field so the move is understandable. The question I have is," Hines needs 19 catches to reach 1000" do you feed him ? the ball to reach that goal

11-14-2011, 11:10 AM
Our young receivers are too talented to justify keeping Hines on the field so the move is understandable. The question I have is," Hines needs 19 catches to reach 1000" do you feed him ? the ball to reach that goal

Absolutely, he deserves that..

11-14-2011, 01:35 PM
Our young receivers are too talented to justify keeping Hines on the field so the move is understandable. The question I have is," Hines needs 19 catches to reach 1000" do you feed him ? the ball to reach that goal

I think they absolutely have to work it in. With 6 games left, it shouldn't be hard.
I just hope, and I honestly believe, he is looking on with pride at his students and not anger over growing out of need. I hate to think of black and gold without him but it is inevitable.:cursin:

11-14-2011, 01:55 PM
I say he'll stay til the end of next year. They'll give him his 4 mil and let him announce that he'll retire at the end of the 2012 season.

11-14-2011, 08:01 PM
I say he'll stay til the end of next year. They'll give him his 4 mil and let him announce that he'll retire at the end of the 2012 season.


Black@Gold Forever32
11-14-2011, 08:07 PM
No you don't force feed Ward to get his 1,000 catches....Now if the Steelers were a 1 or 2 win team right now then I would say yes.....But we're battling for the number 1 seed in the entire AFC and Ward not seeing the field at all is a huge bonus for this team........Wallace, Brown, Sanders all are young and explosive....Cotchery can play Ward's role in the offense......If the Steelers have everything locked up or if that last game in Cleveland is meaningless then force feed the ball to Ward in that game.....

11-14-2011, 08:30 PM
Don't know anything about"the torch being passed".I do know you play guys healthy.with the ability to presently help the team,right now it's Wallace,Brown,and Cotchery.It's still a long season hopefully Hines and Sanders contribute down the road.When healthy in Sanders case,or when the need arises in Hines case.

11-15-2011, 01:08 AM
I have heard in the radio and reading blogs that maybe he was suffering concussion symptoms and the Steelers refused to admit it because if they had, it would mean Tomlin lied about the fact that Hines did actually have a concussion which would violate NFL policy. However, Hines is probably the 5th best receiver on the team. Who knows.....we never will.

11-15-2011, 07:07 AM
In many ways, the Steelers game Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals was typical of the series. The Steelers made just enough plays and the Bengals just enough mistakes for the Steelers to win, 24-17. No one could have been surprised by the result, here or in Cincinnati. The Steelers are 10-1 at Paul Brown Stadium.

But in one significant way, the win was unlike any other Steelers game. For the first time, future Hall of Famer Hines Ward wasn't a big part of the offense even though he was healthy. He played sparingly -- in just a few packages -- and had one catch for 10 yards, the only time quarterback Ben Roethlisberger targeted him.

The Steelers coaches clearly believed the team had a better chance of winning with Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown and Jerricho Cotchery at wide receiver ahead of Ward.
It's not hard to imagine it being that way the rest of the season, barring injuries.
It's also enough to make you wonder if Ward will reach his coveted career milestones in the final six regular-season games. He needs 19 catches for 1,000, 30 receiving yards for 12,000 and five touchdown catches for 90.

Ward long has taken great pride in proving people wrong. He always says he's motivated by the "naysayers," a big reason he has lasted 14 years in the NFL, put up those amazing numbers and been a big part of two Super Bowl-winning teams. But getting back on the field in a meaningful role this season is Ward's greatest challenge. It would be even tougher for him if not for Emmanuel Sanders' knee injury. Sanders was coming on before having surgery last week.

Wallace has developed into one of the NFL's best receivers. He's a threat to hit a home run on every play. In just his third season, he has hooked up with Roethlisberger for a franchise-record 11 touchdowns of at least 40 yards.

Brown, in his second season, quickly is becoming a star. He had five catches for 86 yards -- a curious total considering Ward's uniform number -- against the Bengals. In his past four games, he has 26 catches for 364 yards and one touchdown. Roethlisberger loves throwing to him.

Cotchery left the New York Jets after seven seasons and was signed as a free agent in August to provide depth. A hamstring injury forced him to miss the first three games and he didn't make his first catch until the New England game Oct. 30. But he received considerable playing time Nov. 6 against the Baltimore Ravens after Ward left early in the second quarter with concussion-like symptoms and had three catches for 44 yards. He caught two balls for 29 yards against the Bengals, including a 16-yard touchdown that gave the Steelers a 7-0 lead. He later had a 24-yard touchdown catch called back because of an offensive pass interference penalty on tight end Heath Miller.

"He's a savvy, veteran guy, a guy that we've been excited about having since the day we acquired him," Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said. "He's been a consummate professional. ... We've been extremely pleased with him."
Cotchery has grown on his teammates. Roethlisberger was jubilant on the field Sunday after Cotchery's touchdown.

"It's not like me, but I couldn't hold it back," Roethlisberger said. "I'm excited for him to get his first one."

So where does all of this leave Ward?

It's hard to blame Tomlin for not completely answering that question. We're not talking about Max Starks replacing Jonathan Scott at left tackle or William Gay taking over for Bryant McFadden at cornerback. We're talking about Cotchery replacing a Steelers legend, one of their all-time great players. Making such a move can't be easy for any coach. It can't be easy discussing it.

"We were just looking at some personnel groups and looking at ways we wanted to attack these people," Tomlin said when asked why Ward didn't play more against the Bengals. "It may not be any indication of his participation moving forward. It's just an indication of his participation today."

What else could Tomlin have said? That Ward is finished as a player and can't help the team anymore? Of course not. But it doesn't mean that Ward will be a big part of the offense again. Tomlin can't make that guarantee.

This has been a difficult season for Ward. He injured an ankle Oct. 23 in the Arizona game and had to sit out the next week against New England. Then against Baltimore, he was popped in the head by Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, a hit that resulted in a $20,000 fine for Lewis.

Now, there's this benching of sorts.

It will be interesting to see how Ward handles it. He dressed quickly after the game and left the locker room but is expected to face the media today after practice. He's such a prideful guy, such a wonderful competitor. But he can't gripe. That would be unseemly. The Steelers are 7-3 and in first place in the AFC North Division. It's more likely he'll say that no one should count him out, that he still can get open, that he still can make plays for Roethlisberger and the offense.
Really, what else can Ward say?

Maybe the off week comes at just the right time for Ward. Maybe it won't just give his body a chance to heal. Maybe it will energize him.
That's a nice thought.

Ward is going to need every bit of that energy to take on this challenge.
The naysayers are going to be right one day.
They always are right in the end.

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11-16-2011, 06:40 PM
I know this is selfish of me, but for all that Hines has meant to the Steelers organization and WR development - AND BEN'S DEVELOPMENT, I would really love to see them "feed him the ball over the last 6 games to get him to the 1000 catch and 12000 yard plateau. Nothing special, but 3 or 4 passes per game. Hines is the heart and soul of the Steelers (IMO), and would love for him to have that opportunity this year becuase with his contract next year, unless he restructures, I would be concerned, as a possible #5 receiver that he might fall victimm to the business side of the NFL.