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BlitzburghRockCity
11-02-2011, 11:35 AM
In the past this question would be a moot point, a no brainer. Will the Ravens pressure Ben Roethlisberger; of course they will. It's what they do, what they always do. It's what the Steelers always do too.

Is it a guarantee that the same scenario will unfold for either team's defense this year when they put their gameplan into action? Maybe it's not such a done deal if you think about it.

The Ravens could very well use their front 7, one of the best in the league, to get after Ben and the Steelers retooled offensive line and nobody would be surprised. However considering that the Steelers have a high powered offense, with multiple weapons at WR and TE at Ben's disposal we could see the Ravens drop back and try to take as many of those weapons away as they can. Play a lot of man coverage and use a similar philosophy that Dick Lebeau used against the Patriots last Sunday. Should they consider using that strategy they will have to weary of Mendenhall and Redman running the ball. Even so, the front 4 of the Ravens lead by Haloti Ngata is perfectly capable of shutting down the run.

I suspect, well I hope, that Arians will have another unique gameplan in place to keep the Ravens on their toes. Let's face it, if you can out coach Bill Belichick & Tom Brady coming off a bye week, you can do anything you put your mind too. That being said, for this discussion you have to wonder what gameplan the Ravens will deploy to try and slow the Steelers offense. Normally both teams are content to play the traditional smash mouth, physical, contest during this rivalry but the Ravens took a different approach in week 1 and the Steelers are certainly a much more capable offense since that time.

steelersbabex25
11-02-2011, 11:42 AM
If the Ravens are smart, after seeing the Patriots game, they wouldn't bitz as often as they usually do. Obviously, they have a better defensive line than the Patriots, but the Steelers have a better offensive line than they did the last time that these two teams played. I see Ben getting a lot more time to throw in this game than he did in the first week.

I don't think the Ravens defensive backs are as good as they look statistically either. Our WRs could easily attack them in the secondary if everything goes smoothly.

LatrobePA
11-02-2011, 11:44 AM
We need to spread them out, they can be run on so let's not forget to pound the ball..

SteelDad
11-02-2011, 12:09 PM
Big difference this week is that Baltimore doesn't need to blitz to bring the pressure. With Ngata and Suggs, there is ample talent to get pressure. Don't forget, we did give up 5 sacks to the Patriots.

K Train
11-02-2011, 12:10 PM
they will bring the heat...even if they dont the receivers the steelers have have always given the ravens DBs fits, espeically out of the bunch formation they never had an answer for it...even when it was nate washington and holmes. their chances of winning are greater if they sack ben 5-6 times, even though imo the number of times ben gets sacked rarely effects the outcome of the game

mwittman5
11-02-2011, 12:26 PM
Big difference this week is that Baltimore doesn't need to blitz to bring the pressure. With Ngata and Suggs, there is ample talent to get pressure. Don't forget, we did give up 5 sacks to the Patriots.

It was more like 3 sacks because they got 2 at the end and Ben just held the ball because he didn't want to take any chances. Thats still not bad for 50 pass attempts.

LarryNJ
11-02-2011, 01:08 PM
They aren't going to change their defense. They will come after Ben big time. That's who they are and what they do and their best chance to win is to pressure Ben and force him into making mistakes. Who ever wins the turn over battle probably wins the game.

dscola
11-02-2011, 01:10 PM
The Ravens defense is alot better than given credit for. They have 5 dbs that could probably start for most teams in Webb, J. Smith, C. Williams, Carr, and Gorrer.

The difference from last year to this year is that the dbs they have are a whole lot better than before. Hopefully we can get some semblance of a running game going so that the Ravens will have to slow up from blitzing.

We also need to make sure our LBs, whoever they maybe, stay disciplined for Rice and the cutback runs. If not, Flacco will be able to playaction over them.

This will definitely be a very good game.

JensK
11-02-2011, 01:27 PM
The Ravens defense is alot better than given credit for. They have 5 dbs that could probably start for most teams in Webb, J. Smith, C. Williams, Carr, and Gorrer.

The difference from last year to this year is that the dbs they have are a whole lot better than before. Hopefully we can get some semblance of a running game going so that the Ravens will have to slow up from blitzing.

We also need to make sure our LBs, whoever they maybe, stay disciplined for Rice and the cutback runs. If not, Flacco will be able to playaction over them.

This will definitely be a very good game.

How are they better than given credit for? They are, currently, the best defense in the game which has been widely acknowledged. And well... The stats agree.

That said, their CBs are not very good at all. They live off an amazing pass-rush, but they have no answers for any team which can provide their QB with a little time. Much like Steelers.

Nolrog
11-02-2011, 01:27 PM
I think without question, bring the heat. If they get to Ben, they can force him into turnovers again. Plus, our offensive line is really hurting, even the "healthy" guys.

Rampage
11-02-2011, 01:30 PM
I'm expecting them to pressure Ben. The odds of him making mistakes are greater when he's got someone in his face.

SnakeEyes43
11-02-2011, 01:38 PM
They'll bring the heat, especially the first half. We'll see how the game goes and adjustments will be made from there.

LarryNJ
11-02-2011, 01:41 PM
That said, their CBs are not very good at all. They live off an amazing pass-rush, but they have no answers for any team which can provide their QB with a little time. Much like Steelers.

The difference is the Ravens have gotten more int's by accident than we have gotten on purpose. :lol:

BlitzburghRockCity
11-02-2011, 01:46 PM
The Ravens cornerbacks do well because their front 7 gets pressure, it's as simple as that. It's the same way the Steelers DB's play. When the pass rush is getting there, they are able to play their style of football.

Now this year Steelers offense has more and experienced weapons than ever before, I don't care who you are in the NFL you can't cover Wallace, Brown, Sanders, and Heath all the time and not get beat. Ben will find people to throw the ball too but he's going to have to get rid of it quickly. The Ravens defense gets frustrated when they don't get pressure. If we can neutralize that part of their game or keep it in check at least, our offense can get down field.

SteelDad
11-02-2011, 02:54 PM
It was more like 3 sacks because they got 2 at the end and Ben just held the ball because he didn't want to take any chances. Thats still not bad for 50 pass attempts.

Agreed, but even 3 is poor in my book.

K Train
11-02-2011, 03:04 PM
Agreed, but even 3 is poor in my book.

id say 5 is pretty much standard since ben roethlisberger has been a steeler...high for most teams and i dont know the exact number but hes definitely one of the most sacked QBs over the course of his career.

his ypa is historically high over the course of his career, so like i said it rarely effects the outcome of the game

steelersbabex25
11-02-2011, 03:12 PM
How are they better than given credit for? They are, currently, the best defense in the game which has been widely acknowledged. And well... The stats agree.

That said, their CBs are not very good at all. They live off an amazing pass-rush, but they have no answers for any team which can provide their QB with a little time. Much like Steelers.

This..

steelchamp204
11-02-2011, 03:26 PM
They will bring the heat but I look for BA to use the gameplan from lastweek as it seems that it our kind of offense the team can bring to the table. I think we will win. Remember, The Ravens have had 2 bad weeks in a row. Even though they won last week, that was more of a Cardinal collapse to close the game more than anything. Ben is not Kevin Kolb.

dscola
11-02-2011, 03:31 PM
This..

Last year their they had the likes of Frank Walker playing nickle. Last year they had no depth as Foxworth was hurt and Webb was coming off an ACL.

This year they have 2 6'2" corners in Smith and Williams. They have Webb playing very well, and Carr in the slot.

I'm not saying they are the Eagles but they aren't the Patriots by any means.

Last year they had the same pass rush but their defensive backfield was ***. Even worse than ours.

LatrobePA
11-02-2011, 03:37 PM
Last year their they had the likes of Frank Walker playing nickle. Last year they had no depth as Foxworth was hurt and Webb was coming off an ACL.

This year they have 2 6'2" corners in Smith and Williams. They have Webb playing very well, and Carr in the slot.

I'm not saying they are the Eagles but they aren't the Patriots by any means.

Last year they had the same pass rush but their defensive backfield was ***. Even worse than ours.


Ours?? Am I missing something??

dscola
11-02-2011, 03:39 PM
Ours?? Am I missing something, like your purple avatar??

Our pass defense was not very good last year.

So you think I need a purple avatar for stating m opinion?

steelchamp204
11-02-2011, 03:44 PM
Last year their they had the likes of Frank Walker playing nickle. Last year they had no depth as Foxworth was hurt and Webb was coming off an ACL.

This year they have 2 6'2" corners in Smith and Williams. They have Webb playing very well, and Carr in the slot.

I'm not saying they are the Eagles but they aren't the Patriots by any means.

Last year they had the same pass rush but their defensive backfield was ***. Even worse than ours.

The worse thing for tall corners are fast and quick WR's. Thats what we got, so Im not worried about them. If we can protect Ben, stick with the Pats gameplan or around that gameplan. We will be fine. It comes down to the trenches. I will take Our WR group over any defensive back group in the NFL, and thats also including the Eagles.

dscola
11-02-2011, 03:45 PM
The worse thing for tall corners are fast and quick WR's. Thats what we got, so Im not worried about them. If we can protect Ben, stick with the Pats gameplan or around that gameplan. We will be fine. It comes down to the trenches. I will take Our WR group over any defensive back group in the NFL, and thats also including the Eagles.

Truth

K Train
11-02-2011, 03:45 PM
Last year their they had the likes of Frank Walker playing nickle. Last year they had no depth as Foxworth was hurt and Webb was coming off an ACL.

This year they have 2 6'2" corners in Smith and Williams. They have Webb playing very well, and Carr in the slot.

I'm not saying they are the Eagles but they aren't the Patriots by any means.

Last year they had the same pass rush but their defensive backfield was ***. Even worse than ours.

jimmy smith has played in one game, and being 6-2 means nothing at all. actually most 6-2 corners suck ***

LatrobePA
11-02-2011, 03:55 PM
Our pass defense was not very good last year.

So you think I need a purple avatar for stating m opinion?

Wouldn't hurt... Want me to find ya one? It's OK to be a Ravens fan posting out here, it's just annoying when people try to hide it behind a fake user name etc etc..

Steelers_All_Day_43
11-02-2011, 04:00 PM
They will blitz no doubt. We have to play smart on offense. Ben needs to get rid of the ball quickly.

dscola
11-02-2011, 05:46 PM
Wouldn't hurt... Want me to find ya one? It's OK to be a Ravens fan posting out here, it's just annoying when people try to hide it behind a fake user name etc etc..

I'm actually a niner fan but I 'm more a football fan. I like the Steelers because of Ben and Harrison. I like the Ravens also because of Rice and Suggs. The only team I don't like are the Redskins. Refuse to cheer for them under any circumstances.

My username is my PSN name, my email address, my work password, etc. I will never be disrespectful to anyteam(other than deadskins) but I will discuss, agree, and disagree when I feel the urge to.

The Steelers pass defense last year ranked 16th. The Ravens pass defense last year ranked 21st.

From that fact, 1 would surmise that the Ravens pass d was *** last year. Even worse than the Steelers.

From that statement you could also deduce that they are playing alot better this year with the only thing changing are the corners and 1 safety.

And 1 more thing, my favorite color is blue. I'd never be caught wearing purple.

RIVERS OF STEEL
11-02-2011, 06:00 PM
There will be a surprise. The "Infusion of confusion". The Ravings will be expecting our ****** play calling and the same old tired players on the front lines that we had in game one. Shhhh. Things have changed. Don't tell those *******s though.

They just got lucky against AZ and won. I did not see a real adjustment by them during the jags and cards meet. Not sure what they were trying to accomplish.

Oh yeah. It ain't the number one Shizzle. It's the finger you know THE FINGER.

dscola
11-02-2011, 06:04 PM
There will be a surprise. The "Infusion of confusion". The Ravings will be expecting our ****** play calling and the same old tired players on the front lines that we had in game one. Shhhh. Things have changed. Don't tell those *******s though.

They just got lucky against AZ and won. I did not see a real adjustment by them during the jags and cards meet. Not sure what they were trying to accomplish.

Oh yeah. It ain't the number one Shizzle. It's the finger you know THE FINGER.

The gameplan last week was amazing. I figured they would come out and try to run, run, pass against the last ranked passing defense.

Goodfrom55
11-02-2011, 07:18 PM
They aren't going to change their defense. They will come after Ben big time. That's who they are and what they do and their best chance to win is to pressure Ben and force him into making mistakes. Who ever wins the turn over battle probably wins the game.

I have to agree with you here. Ravens will bring pressure until the Steelers can consistently demonstrate they can (A) - pick up the blitz and (B) beat the blitz with a quick tempo passing game.

They're not going to change who they are unless the Steelers just come out and put up 21.

coach
11-02-2011, 09:40 PM
I think without question, bring the heat. If they get to Ben, they can force him into turnovers again. Plus, our offensive line is really hurting, even the "healthy" guys.

If Baltimore learned anything from last week, it would be how pathetic NEs pass rushers were. Ben had more time in that game than we have seen in years. I think the even the O line was shocked. This week will be very different. I think the question I ask is whether BA can manage to put in enough quick passes and plays to help out the O line or will he be calling too many plays requiring a 7-step drop?:banging:

Scorp
11-02-2011, 09:45 PM
Ravens ain't bringing squat sunday night. It's the STELERS that will bring heart, will, determination, courage, pain, hell, suffering, dominance, a true kick *** defense and offense, toilet paper so the terdbirds can clean their backside and the kitchen sink baby. That's when the ravens drop back, step back and run away/fly away with their ugly tailfeather between those strawstick legs of theirs.