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Stone
10-11-2011, 09:57 AM
I always get a kick out of fans who actually believe they know more than an NFL coach, arguably one the best football minds in the world. That being said, Bruce Arians is an idiot!:lol:

There is no question that he knows more about X's and O's than I do but he seems so darn stubborn about "his system".

1. A deaf, dumb, and blind man could understand that the Steelers should operate a quick passing game but it took him until week 5 to do it!

2. We all know that last year, our O-line was better on the right side but you simply can't design every run play to the right where the D is waiting.

3. We have the toughest WR in all of football......the perfect guy to hit on quick hitting routes.

I NEVER criticize the Steelers ownership or front office because they have proven themselves!

I NEVER criticized Noll or Cowher because they get paid big money to do what they do and I don't earn a penny coaching football.

I really wonder why Tomlin hasn't done anything about Arians...........I'm going to assume he is working on it behind the scenes and is too big of a man to talk about publicly.................it's the only way I can feel good about it!

BlitzburghRockCity
10-11-2011, 12:52 PM
We continue to beat this dead horse and will continue to do so until the Steelers start to use their weapons properly. It's not rocket science here from a fans perspective and we know more than the media or coaches give us credit for.

Having said that, the average fan doesn't know and probably will never know the x's and o's the way a coach does. We don't have access to the playbook, the players at practice every day, and all that goes on behind the scenes. We see players on gameday and listen to what they say to the media and run with it.

Give the coaches credit, they know their players better than anyone. Now, having said that, how many times does one coach get fired for running an underachieving team? It happens all the time, every year. The new coach comes in with virtually the same group of players and suddenly they start winning. See the 49ers and Bills for example this year.

Bruce Arians has his moments where he calls a brilliant game; however they are overshadowed by the countless times of beating his head against the wall running a gameplan that doesn't work.

Rampage
10-11-2011, 12:53 PM
I do, but I'm not sure about the rest of you.

steelersbabex25
10-11-2011, 01:08 PM
We don't necessarily know more, we just see it from a different perspective.

SteelDad
10-11-2011, 02:44 PM
I guarantee that 99% of us do not know more but I will also guarantee that many of us see things differently simply because we don't know these men as anything other than players. Personal relationships can weigh heavily on decision-making and I think Tomlin's loyalty at times has led to poor decisions about players playing and gameplans being developed.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-11-2011, 09:19 PM
It's a two edged sword being a fan. We think we know a lot, and many of us do, however as Steeldad said we see them only as players. Honestly I think if the coaches thought like that sometimes, to a degree, we'd have a better chance of seeing young guys get on the field in place of aging veterans.

It seems like Tomlin is happy with Starks at LT now so we should be good there. I'm anxious to see what happens with the running backs.

Goodfrom55
10-11-2011, 09:55 PM
Don't forget these guys have access to the players, and hours upon hours of game film. They have scouting reports, etc. With all those resources at their disposal, they'd better be smarter than the average fan.

JensK
10-12-2011, 05:35 AM
If we did not, there would be no need for forums like these! :)

LarryNJ
10-12-2011, 11:36 AM
I NEVER criticized Noll or Cowher

Never? Wow, not even after all of Bill's disappointing losses, especially in home AFC championship games where he had a more talented team? Years of his stubbornness sticking with #10 when the entire world knew he wasn't any good at QB? His total collapse in his final year?

K Train
10-12-2011, 11:42 AM
I always get a kick out of fans who actually believe they know more than an NFL coach, arguably one the best football minds in the world. That being said, Bruce Arians is an idiot!:lol:

There is no question that he knows more about X's and O's than I do but he seems so darn stubborn about "his system".

1. A deaf, dumb, and blind man could understand that the Steelers should operate a quick passing game but it took him until week 5 to do it!

2. We all know that last year, our O-line was better on the right side but you simply can't design every run play to the right where the D is waiting.

3. We have the toughest WR in all of football......the perfect guy to hit on quick hitting routes.

I NEVER criticize the Steelers ownership or front office because they have proven themselves!

I NEVER criticized Noll or Cowher because they get paid big money to do what they do and I don't earn a penny coaching football.

I really wonder why Tomlin hasn't done anything about Arians...........I'm going to assume he is working on it behind the scenes and is too big of a man to talk about publicly.................it's the only way I can feel good about it!

this post just ooooooooooooozzzzzzzzzzzes homerism

here let me join.....WOOOO STEEEELLEEERRRSSS rah rah smashmount football, go 70s, 6 rings, id never argue with the royal rooneys

you dont have to get paid to have a great football mind....i dont think id be too great at the x's and o's but i absoultely know what im talking about when it comes to personnell and talent quality

connecticutsteel
10-12-2011, 11:56 AM
It's a two edged sword being a fan. We think we know a lot, and many of us do, however as Steeldad said we see them only as players. Honestly I think if the coaches thought like that sometimes, to a degree, we'd have a better chance of seeing young guys get on the field in place of aging veterans.

It seems like Tomlin is happy with Starks at LT now so we should be good there. I'm anxious to see what happens with the running backs.

Nothing will happen with the running back Mendenhall is the starter until he show a drop off in ability like Parker did . Willie slowed down. Mendy hasn't slowed down if mendy played against the titans he would of had 150 yrds

steelersbabex25
10-12-2011, 12:12 PM
Nothing will happen with the running back Mendenhall is the starter until he show a drop off in ability like Parker did . Willie slowed down. Mendy hasn't slowed down if mendy played against the titans he would of had 150 yrds

Willie never slowed down. He was soft. Couldn't hit the holes. Didn't pick up and yards after contact. Remind you of anyone...

coldrolled
10-12-2011, 12:48 PM
The jets fans are talking about firing Schottenheimer as OC.. Last year Schottenheimer was the greatest strategist of all time...

I think Sanchez is the whole problem.. I would like to pick up schottenheimer if the jets follow thruogh and fire schottenheimer.

Rampage
10-12-2011, 01:15 PM
The jets fans are talking about firing Schottenheimer as OC.. Last year Schottenheimer was the greatest strategist of all time...

I think Sanchez is the whole problem.. I would like to pick up schottenheimer if the jets follow thruogh and fire schottenheimer.

The Sanchize is the problem? Puh-lease. Greatest QB ever to play the game.*






















*According to Jets fans only.

Stone
10-12-2011, 02:25 PM
Never? Wow, not even after all of Bill's disappointing losses, especially in home AFC championship games where he had a more talented team? Years of his stubbornness sticking with #10 when the entire world knew he wasn't any good at QB? His total collapse in his final year?

Okay, I lied! I hated when Cowher put Bettis the AFCCG, after he had been out for weeks, which dictated a complete change of offensive game plan from what had been working. And I hated what Cowher did in his last off season/year when he was always preaching "keep your business out of our locker room"


this post just ooooooooooooozzzzzzzzzzzes homerism

here let me join.....WOOOO STEEEELLEEERRRSSS rah rah smashmount football, go 70s, 6 rings, id never argue with the royal rooneys

you dont have to get paid to have a great football mind....i dont think id be too great at the x's and o's but i absoultely know what im talking about when it comes to personnell and talent quality

Sorry, I didn't catch your name; which NFL team do you scout for? :imho: I'm as far from a homer as it gets but I am not the guy to criticize success and the Steelers have been the most successful sports franchise since the merger in 1970. Are you one of the new-wave kids who think the NFL is all about passing and defense is a thing of the past?

SteelDad
10-12-2011, 02:54 PM
Okay, I lied! I hated when Cowher put Bettis the AFCCG, after he had been out for weeks, which dictated a complete change of offensive game plan from what had been working. And I hated what Cowher did in his last off season/year when he was always preaching "keep your business out of our locker room"



Sorry, I didn't catch your name; which NFL team do you scout for? :imho: I'm as far from a homer as it gets but I am not the guy to criticize success and the Steelers have been the most successful sports franchise since the merger in 1970. Are you one of the new-wave kids who think the NFL is all about passing and defense is a thing of the past?

And here we go....

BlitzburghRockCity
10-12-2011, 11:07 PM
Jerome Bettis gave way to Willie Parker who gave way to Rashard Mendenhall who will eventually give way to someone else. Maybe it's Redman, maybe it will be Dwyer, who knows. Hopefully Tomlin learned his lesson with that whole "run till the wheels fall off" mentality with running backs but we'll have to wait and see.

For what it's worth, nobody is criticizing the success of the Steelers over the years, you simply can't argue that. However, they can and do criticize the missed opportunities because of coaches having to do things "their way". Whether it's hanging on to veterans too long, or sticking to a game plan that doesn't work, the Steelers have had the talent over the last 2 decades to potentially have one atleast 2-3 more super bowls. However due to a number of issues either at QB or coaching they couldn't make it happen.

We have 6 Lombardi's, more than anyone, ever...but I shutter to think how many more we could have had.

Stone
10-13-2011, 12:23 PM
Jerome Bettis gave way to Willie Parker who gave way to Rashard Mendenhall who will eventually give way to someone else. Maybe it's Redman, maybe it will be Dwyer, who knows. Hopefully Tomlin learned his lesson with that whole "run till the wheels fall off" mentality with running backs but we'll have to wait and see.

For what it's worth, nobody is criticizing the success of the Steelers over the years, you simply can't argue that. However, they can and do criticize the missed opportunities because of coaches having to do things "their way". Whether it's hanging on to veterans too long, or sticking to a game plan that doesn't work, the Steelers have had the talent over the last 2 decades to potentially have one atleast 2-3 more super bowls. However due to a number of issues either at QB or coaching they couldn't make it happen.

We have 6 Lombardi's, more than anyone, ever...but I shutter to think how many more we could have had.

Maybe, but don't you think that fans of over half the teams can claim similar shoulda-woulda-coulda stuff? Of all the teams fans we should know how difficult it is to repeat in todays NFL where it's more about "the show" than the game of football.

But either way, I will concentrate my second guessing to our weakest link (BA) until we fix it. Then maybe I'll move to the next weakest link:yesnod:

BlitzburghRockCity
10-13-2011, 05:13 PM
Oh sure, the woulda coulda shoulda scenario could apply to a handful of teams over the last 2 decades. I was referring to how consistent the Steelers have been and how close they came so many times (see the thread stickied Steelers through 2010). The AFC Championship games, playoff appearances, winning records, and Super Bowls is quite impressive as we know. Not many teams are consistent every year. Besides us you could say the Patriots, perhaps Baltimore, and Indy in the AFC.

airbrake 1
10-13-2011, 08:39 PM
coaches who make decisions based on the fans opinions, will soon be sitting in the stands with those fans...i love how a player can have a good game or two and all of a sudden the bandwagon jumpers want to anoint them as the second coming of some hall of famer, only to have the said player fall apart the next game and then these same idiots treat them like a dog pile...just like in denver where the fans were livid when they drafted tebow and now these same POS are chanting for him en masse....three tough games and they will be ready to feed him to the lions...fairweather fans

greg1964
10-14-2011, 08:58 AM
No....but we think we do

RIVERS OF STEEL
10-14-2011, 09:44 PM
How can this even be questioned? Quick answer. If we did then WE would all be coaches. You know what thou, now that I really think this through, in the case of the ex skins coach, zorn, that answer would be yes for sure. just fn sayin, continue on....

Diehardsteel
10-16-2011, 01:12 AM
The jets fans are talking about firing Schottenheimer as OC.. Last year Schottenheimer was the greatest strategist of all time...

I think Sanchez is the whole problem.. I would like to pick up schottenheimer if the jets follow thruogh and fire schottenheimer.

I would cry tears of joy if this happened. To think, no more BA.... :grin1: