View Full Version : How soon before you would put Max Starks into the lineup
10-05-2011, 11:54 PM
Starks is nowhere near in football shape, we know that much. Having not played since early in the regular season in 2010 means he's got a ways to go. It won't take long for him to get back into the flow of the game from a technique standpoint. It's not like he's coming in new and has to learn the playbook and whatnot. So from that perspective he could be inserted very quickly and make an impact.
However from a stamina standpoint you'd be hard pressed to think he could finish an entire game without getting a breather here and there. The problem with that is, the offensive line is a group that thrives on continuity. You can't just insert guys at will like you can in the running game or at wide receiver. If you get him in the game you have to hope that he can get in there and stay in there. However given the state of the offensive line for the Steelers in 2011, you might not have much of a choice. Depending on where Tomlin decides to put him, on the left or right side, you wouldn't really be losing that much if he would have to come out. The line has been so bad this year and there have been so many injuries that you may just say to yourself, "get him suited up and toss him in there; he certainly can't be any worse than what we've dealt with so far".
Be aware too, the dreaded hamstring and ankle sprain are common injuries in camp and preseason because guys haven't done anything for 6 months, football related. This team cannot afford to have him go down before he even gets started.
Having said all that, I think I would be inclined to put him in this Sunday and just see how he does. I wouldn't be surprised however if they suit him up but keep him on the bench for emergency injury relief only for a week.
10-05-2011, 11:59 PM
Sunday vs the Titans....Max really couldn't be any worse at this point...lol
10-06-2011, 06:43 AM
He is so big that he can just fall on defenders. Unlike J. Scott who allows defenders such as D. Freeney to run untouched at #7. Hell put him in, he must be in decent shape if he has recently lost 60 lbs. you dont lose that much weight sitting in a beanbag eating cheetos
10-06-2011, 07:36 AM
Max Starks signed a one-year, $810,000 contract and reported back to the Steelers Wednesday at 352 pounds, about 60 lighter than he was earlier this year. He then said he took about half of the snaps with the first team at left tackle.
He hopes to share time with the first team all week, provided his coaches liked what they saw.
"If I did OK, I'll probably stay on pace to do what I did today," said Starks.
It was his first practice since November, when he was lost for the season after neck surgery. Starks said his neck feels fine now but agreed it might be difficult to jump into a starting job with just a few practices after 11 months of none.
"It's a little premature to think that far ahead. I think I have at least an opportunity to dress by Sunday if I keep on this path and getting after it like I have. It probably would be a little tough [to start], but I'm a professional and it doesn't take too long to get back into things. We'll see how the week goes."
Jonathan Scott, who opened the season as the starting left tackle, returned to practice Wednesday after missing the loss Sunday at Houston with a sprained ankle. He said he does not know if he will regain his job or not.
"I don't know that now but I'll definitely be prepared for whatever direction they take us. [Starks] helped me out last year and having him in the offensive line is definitely an addition."
Roethlisberger, by the way, said he has pushed for the Steelers to re-sign Starks since training camp.
From the PG (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11279/1180084-66-0.stm#ixzz1a05uo9Ku)
10-06-2011, 07:40 AM
10-06-2011, 07:53 AM
10-06-2011, 08:53 AM
J. Scott find your way to the bench my brother!!
10-06-2011, 08:55 AM
Please this sunday. He could NOT be any worse off, could he? Lmfao. Atleast he will have an upside from not playing for so long haha
10-06-2011, 08:57 AM
My worry is he could be too tight not playing for a while and could pull something...
10-06-2011, 09:03 AM
My worry is he could be too tight not playing for a while and could pull something...
I can live with that. Im trying to quit drinking and Scott isnt helping much :lol:
10-06-2011, 09:52 AM
The best way for him to get back into football shape is by playing football. I'd put him in on Sunday, looking to get him maybe 1/3-1/2 of the snaps depending on how he feels and then increasing week by week until he's a full time starter.
10-06-2011, 10:22 AM
Starks worked out right away yesterday, mostly on the left side he said. He anticipates getting reps on the right side once J. Scott comes back but nothing is set in stone yet. He also said if the rest of practice goes as well as today did he could be in the lineup on Sunday either full time or spelling other players.
10-06-2011, 10:28 AM
If Art rooney put his foot down he will see the field this week at least 50%
10-06-2011, 11:56 AM
Well, there is no way he could be worse than Scott or Essex, so I would like to see him in the lineup right away.
In a perfect world, I'd like Gilbert at LT and Starks at RT.
10-06-2011, 03:10 PM
Gilbert being at LT was what I was hoping they'd do all along. Clearly as bad as Scott has been, Gilbert couldn't be much worse even being a rookie. I'd rather take my lumps and have my LT get owned for awhile, knowing he's got a good upside and potential. With Scott at the left side you already know what you have. I know we were all hoping that Scott could take that experience from last year and improve on it but he's clearly gone backwards this year.
Gimme Starks back at LT, Gilbert at RT and get yourself a big LT next year in the draft or free agency. With Gilbert playing on the right the last few weeks you might as well just keep him there.
10-06-2011, 06:52 PM
I think Starks at LT and Gilbert at RT is the best for right now....I would be all for Gilbert playing LT but Max has always been better at LT then RT.....Gilbert just needs to play period and I don't care if its at LT or RT......
10-06-2011, 08:32 PM
Yea Maxs has to be the LT or Ben won't make it through to the end of the Season, i honestly can't remember our o-line playing this poorly EVER in there entire history:evilshake:
10-06-2011, 08:39 PM
10-07-2011, 09:31 AM
It's pretty much a done deal that Starks is going to be back at his old spot. Scott is taking some snaps but the way BA is talking, Max is going to be the guy.
I'm excited to see him get back out on the field. I'll take a 60% Max Starks over a 100% Jonathan Scott.
10-07-2011, 02:17 PM
What do they have to lose? Even if he isn't in football shape he is still an improvement to the line.
10-09-2011, 01:26 AM
Max Starks knew the calls would come.
That is why he woke up every morning at 6:15 and hiked Pinnacle Peak (1,300-foot elevation) in Scottsdale, Ariz., during his unplanned vacation from the NFL. It's why he did all those tire flips and truck pushes and stretched his workouts into the late afternoon.
Although, come to think of it, maybe he was prolonging the workouts to avoid the regimen waiting for him at home.
"My wife had me doing all kinds of chores around the house," Starks said Friday after Steelers practice on the South Side. "Never knew I could be a handyman until this little extended offseason. So if anybody needs any plumbing tips or house adjustments, I'm your guy."
Actually, somebody needs a left tackle. The Steelers have seen their offensive line spring leaks left and right through a disappointing and sometimes disastrous first quarter of the season.
Enter the 29-year-old Starks, a two-time Super Bowl winner who arrived at training camp with a fairly fat body and a really fat contract. He and his $5.14 million salary were immediately cut.
In hindsight -- and as former Pitt football coach Walt Harris once so eloquently put it, hindsight is always "50/50" -- the Steelers would have been better off releasing veteran defensive end Aaron Smith and his $4.5 million salary. They had better depth on the defensive line.
Obviously, someone overrated Jonathan Scott at left tackle. More obviously, everyone was horrified at the prospect of Trai Essex trying to secure Ben Roethlisberger's blind side for so much as one more snap.
So today, Starks -- Mr. Fix-It -- will attempt a harrowing feat: He is expected to start at left tackle against the Tennessee Titans despite having practiced just three times in the past 338 days.
Does he realize that if he plays well against talented defensive end Jason Jones, he will officially eradicate the notion that training camp means something?
"You mean I'd have Allen Iverson syndrome -- 'Practice. What do you mean, practice?' " Starks said, laughing. "No, (Baltimore Ravens left tackle) Bryant McKinnie already proved you can be signed off the streets and start an NFL game within a couple of days."
Point taken, though McKinnie had a couple of weeks to get ready for the season opener and had the advantage of playing against a diminished James Harrison.
Starks was glad the Steelers went back to pads for a couple of days this week, as coach Mike Tomlin sought to sharpen their physical edge.
"I kind of got used to the hitting," Starks said. "The speed picked up from Wednesday to Thursday, and I got used to a game-like feel. Body-wise, I feel great. The agility is there. It's just a few little technique things I had to work on because I haven't had the repetitions.
"Now it's time to take the training wheels off."
In the end, maybe the Steelers will have found themselves a bargain in the 6-foot-8 Starks, who also drew interest from the Detroit Lions, among others. He was halfway through a four-year, $26.3 million deal when he was cut. He signed for the bargain-basement rate of $810,000.
That's a long ways from the $6.85 million Starks made on that odd transition-tag deal in 2008. He was a backup to Marvel Smith at the time. People wondered how the team could justify sinking so much money into a reserve tackle.
Remember how that story turned out? Smith went down early in the year. Starks stepped in and helped the Steelers win the Super Bowl.
It's safe to say general manager Kevin Colbert, Tomlin and everybody else associated with the team would love to see that story repeat itself. But they have a much simpler goal today.
They just want the leak fixed.
From the Trib (Starkey:%20Massive%20challenge%20for%20Starks%20-%20Pittsburgh%20Tribune-Review%20http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_760995.html#ixzz1aG8dVj2r)
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