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SteelJunkie
10-02-2011, 11:58 PM
Between the lockout and new CBA performance has suffered. Our issues are fundamentals such as blocking and tackling. Now back in the days Noll and Cower would have had full weeks of padded practices to make up for the deficiencies. As it stands now you have to practice in shorts and have limited contact.

Would more padded practices help all our problems? No, but it would of help shore up a lot. You can preach fundamentals all you want but unless you practicing with full contact its not going to improve performance. Coaches are going to have to be creative in teaching the skills and make sure it sinks in, also making sure you use the most out of the time you are practicing in pads. Its not just the Steelers I've seen tons of missed tackles across the league.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-03-2011, 12:01 AM
Its what Fuhrer Goodell wants.....NFL is close to being unwatchable anymore....seriously I'm finding myself not enjoying the sport as much as I use to......

Katmandu
10-03-2011, 12:02 AM
I would buy this argument if it were not for the fact that this is the most experienced team in NFL history.

NC Joker
10-03-2011, 12:05 AM
Between the lockout and new CBA performance has suffered. Our issues are fundamentals such as blocking and tackling. Now back in the days Noll and Cower would have had full weeks of padded practices to make up for the deficiencies. As it stands now you have to practice in shorts and have limited contact.

Would more padded practices help all our problems? No, but it would of help shore up a lot. You can preach fundamentals all you want but unless you practicing with full contact its not going to improve performance. Coaches are going to have to be creative in teaching the skills and make sure it sinks in, also making sure you use the most out of the time you are practicing in pads. Its not just the Steelers I've seen tons of missed tackles across the league.

That is so true.

SteelCityVoice
10-03-2011, 12:06 AM
Offseason work had nothing to do with it, in fact it should favor a team like Pittsburgh as it keeps them from wearing down too much, plus they should know the fundamentals by now. This is one of the most experienced teams in the NFL.

No what's killing the Steelers is their inability/stubborness to address an awful offensive line seriously. Yes they invested a first rounder in Pouncey and a 2nd rounder in Gilbert this year, but the rest of this O-Line is simply not good period.

You get what you pay for and the days of Ben avoiding the rush this line allows are over.

It's a shame the team sees fit to protect their $100 million dollar investment with a bargain bin line.

Katmandu
10-03-2011, 12:09 AM
No what's killing the Steelers is their inability/stubborness to address an awful offensive line seriously. And what excuse does the Defense have for acting like a wet paper bag ?

BlitzburghRockCity
10-03-2011, 12:12 AM
You took the words right out of my mouth Junkie. I was going to start a thread about this tomorrow. The new CBA does not allow for many padded practices and that hurts the Steelers. Tomlin can't work on the fundamentals in practice because you can't hit anyone anymore. This team thrives on that, we saw as much even last year. When the coaches started putting them in pads more in practice, we saw dramatic results on gameday.

The Steelers thrive on contact, emotion, hitting someone. You can't do it in training camp hardly at all, nobody does it in preseason, and now in the regular season it's more of the same. This team was built on physicality and asking them to just turn it on for the game each week might just not work for our Steelers.

SteelCityVoice
10-03-2011, 12:23 AM
And what excuse does the Defense have for acting like a wet paper bag ?

The D-Line is way too old. No push, no sucking up blockers and therefore the playmakers (linebackers) can't do their jobs. Aaron Smith should never have been resigned for as much as he wanted. Not after coming off two straight injury shortened seasons. Casey Hampton just isn't dominating like he used to and Kiesel is hurt.

It doesn't help that Foote and Farrior are too slow either.

At this point you need to give more reps to Heyward and Hood so we can see what we have in them. They are the future. Smith is the past at this point.

SteelDad
10-03-2011, 08:08 AM
I will go only so far in saying that the lack of OTA's and the like are part of the problem. The reason I don't put much into it is that EVERY team is dealing with this issue so perhaps some handled it better than others, who knows? My feeling is that OTAs should not have stopped this team from finding the proper personnel in places that even the lamest of fans knew where it was needed.

Nolrog
10-03-2011, 09:09 AM
You took the words right out of my mouth Junkie. I was going to start a thread about this tomorrow. The new CBA does not allow for many padded practices and that hurts the Steelers. Tomlin can't work on the fundamentals in practice because you can't hit anyone anymore. This team thrives on that, we saw as much even last year. When the coaches started putting them in pads more in practice, we saw dramatic results on gameday.

The Steelers thrive on contact, emotion, hitting someone. You can't do it in training camp hardly at all, nobody does it in preseason, and now in the regular season it's more of the same. This team was built on physicality and asking them to just turn it on for the game each week might just not work for our Steelers.

That's also true of Baltimore. They don't seem to be having any problems. In fact, right now they look like one of the best teams in the AFC. They man-handled the Jets last night just like they did for us.

It's only the Steelers that seem to be affected by this, so to me, that means it's a problem specific to the team and not something caused by league decisions.

LatrobePA
10-03-2011, 09:13 AM
Hasn't effected many other teams, just the Steelers??

It's the same for everyone I don't buy it!

The teams that were suppose to be good are still good! Hell even Cinci having a rookie QB is not seeming bothered by it! As a team you make adjustments, lighten up the playbook etc etc, this team is constantly shooting themselves in the foot and it comes from Tomlin not wanting to make changes.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-03-2011, 09:44 AM
The Steelers aren't the only team suffering right now. Teams like the Patriots are having problems on defense, the Jets, the Steelers, the Eagles, the Giants. All teams that pride themselves on being physical are seeming to have issues this year.

The Ravens have had a cake schedule so far this year so their defense has barely been tested. Their tough schedule comes in the 2nd half when you would hope that everyone will start to really get it in gear.

Regardless, the fact that the Steelers can't work out the way they are used too is a problem that isn't going away. Tomlin is going to have find new ways to push this teams buttons.

LatrobePA
10-03-2011, 10:04 AM
The Ravens handled the Jets like a pee wee team, that was their statement game, IMO it would of effected them more seeing how they have 20 new faces in purple, they've not missed a beat!

I'm just saying this new CBA cannot be the excuse were using is it??

Nolrog
10-03-2011, 10:09 AM
The Steelers aren't the only team suffering right now. Teams like the Patriots are having problems on defense, the Jets, the Steelers, the Eagles, the Giants. All teams that pride themselves on being physical are seeming to have issues this year.

I think the Patriots are having problems on defense because they are a poor defensive team. I don't think that really has a lot to do with the CBA issues. Although, they do have a number of young guys that would have benefitted from the additional reps (then again, the Steelers have a number of old guys who should have benefitted from the time off, and already know the system.)


The Ravens have had a cake schedule so far this year so their defense has barely been tested.

The Jets and the Steelers are supposed to be in the upper eschelon of the AFC and Baltimore destroyed both. Not beat, but destroyed.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-05-2011, 08:32 AM
The Steelers are burning their "twice in the same week padded practice card" this week.


Fans clamoring for change after the Steelers' 17-10 loss in Houston will have to settle for an adjustment to the team's practice routine.
Coach Mike Tomlin all but said Tuesday that the Steelers will practice twice in pads this week -- one more than usual -- as they work on fundamentals such as blocking and tackling.

The collective bargaining agreement ratified in August permits 14 practices in pads during the regular season. Teams are allowed two padded practices in the same week only once during the season.

"There's no time like the present, given how we've performed," Tomlin said at his weekly news conference.

Indeed, the Steelers' two victories have come against teams that have one win combined. They have 10 more turnovers than takeaways -- they are last in the NFL in that category -- and an offense loaded with talented skill players ranks near the bottom of the league in scoring.

Tomlin said his players "better have a sense of urgency" as they prepare for a 1 p.m. game Sunday against the visiting Tennessee Titans, and that "they are hacked off, and they should be."

But he didn't waver from his postgame comments in Houston, reiterating that the Steelers' problems can be fixed with a back-to-basics approach this week at practice.
"We are not going to make something out of this that it's not," he said of the Steelers' 2-2 start. "We understand that we are capable of playing better. We know where the solutions lie -- within us and how we prepare, and ultimately how we perform. We have to get better technically. We have to get better from an assignment standpoint, not only on defense but also on offense and special teams."
Cornerback William Gay said shoddy tackling contributed to the Steelers allowing 155 rushing yards to Arian Foster last Sunday. Foster became the third running back to average more than 5 yards carry against the Steelers this season.
They yielded just 3.0 yards per carry in 2010.

"We just missed tackles," Gay said of the Steelers' play against the Texans. "If you look at the film, that's all you see. We are going to correct that. That's a must for our defense."

Tomlin said some of the Steelers' problems have been magnified and perhaps even blown out of proportion because of high expectations that are a product of past success.

"There is a fine line in performing well and sub-standard," he said, specifically in regard to the Steelers' run defense. "Some of the mistakes are mental, some are physical. They are not all centrally located in one person or position. But when you add those things up over the course of a football game, you get eight to 10 snaps where someone is letting you down either mentally or physically. Then you have the opportunity to give up some big yards."

There is a limit to what the Steelers can do in practice because there is no actual tackling. But veteran free safety Ryan Clark said the Steelers can make necessary corrections through a renewed commitment to getting better.

"Take practice seriously when you get opportunities with your coach in individual periods, and also when you're going through your team periods," he said. "When we have our pads on we need to carry them in a way that we're getting better. As veterans and guys that play really hard on Sunday, sometimes you're all sore on Wednesday or sore on Thursday. These are things we have to work through and be ready to come out and play and be ready to practice hard."



From the Trib (http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/Steelers%20take%20steps%20to%20address%20lackluste r%20play%20-%20Pittsburgh%20Tribune-Review%20http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_760211.html#ixzz1ZuTmsdmy)

LatrobePA
10-05-2011, 08:52 AM
Hey Mike, keep the vets on the practice field as well, if they burn out in practice there's an even better chance they'll burn out during the game, phase them out...

connecticutsteel
10-05-2011, 09:14 AM
i gaurantee there are teams (ravens) that practice in pads more than the cba says too it can only give you an advantage especially in the running game

Nolrog
10-05-2011, 10:05 AM
i gaurantee there are teams (ravens) that practice in pads more than the cba says too it can only give you an advantage especially in the running game

I highly doubt it. You can't keep those things secret. There are 45 players, including the Union Rep from the team. One of them would have complained or at least let it slip to the media.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-05-2011, 05:31 PM
You have to be concerned when you're team has to burn that extra practice in pads so early in the season. Last year Tomlin did it towards the end of the season if I remember correctly and the players responded in a positive way. They all loved it. Now if he has to push buttons with this team later in the year that card is already spent. A total blunder by the players to allow this part of the CBA to get approved.

Goodfrom55
10-05-2011, 06:08 PM
Only way to effectively plug some gaps along the LOS is to run blitz more often, execute line twists, the way teams do to us on 1st down. You're vulnerable to play action, but if the defense can keep teams in 3rd and 6 or more, percentages favor the defense. It's not like the defense is out of position (sometimes they get blown off the ball), but more than anything, they just need to tackle better and stob arm tackling and reaching.

chisteeler
10-05-2011, 07:05 PM
Just a question to consider, do you think the team has lost some respect/confidence for the coaching staff? Also, do they begin to play better in spite of the staff, or just lay down and coast? I would think as a professional athlete, that there could be some mixed emotions since money obviously is involved.

Thoughts?