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BlitzburghRockCity
10-02-2011, 04:03 PM
This year is going to be painful to watch people. It already is. This unit is full of players who shouldn't be starters in the NFL. They are overmatched every week, not working well together, and just generally look beyond terrible in nearly every circumstance.

Ben is not going to make it this season with this group. There's just no way you can see him surviving no matter how you look at it. If we've said it once, we've said it 100 times, you ignore the offensive line year after year and things are going to go south.

You get Pouncey, that's fine. You get Gilbert, maybe he's going to be good in the future. It's not enough. You just can't let things go as is by bringing in has been's and never will be's every year and expect them to perform. The Steelers won inspite of the line in SB XL, they won inspite of it in XLIII. So now you just continue to let it go thinking you can overcome it. The offensive line is the catalyst of the team. Without them you don't do anything. Get all the big WR's, TE's, RB's, and QB's that you want, it means nothing when you have a line that can't do the job.

Kemoeatu has always been slightly above average, able to pull very well but still struggles in pass blocking. Foster played well last year but much of that was Flozell Adams and a healthy Maurkice Pouncey? J. Scott is terrible, Essex is terrible, the list goes on and on.

5 more sacks allowed today, and 2 more written off due to penalties.

SteelCityVoice
10-02-2011, 04:08 PM
It's a shame that casual fans/semi serious bloggers/sports media/NFL Experts can all see this yet the Steelers refuse to fix the problem.

Zachintosh66
10-02-2011, 04:08 PM
amen... it is what it is... a big steaming pile of...

Diehardsteel
10-02-2011, 04:12 PM
Tomlin just said us bringing in a player(s) to help the oline depend on the health of our current players. Can you friggin believe that?!?!

steelersbabex25
10-02-2011, 04:12 PM
You won't see any threads about me being upset at Ben this week. He got used and abused the entire game. How he's still standing? I don't know. He is the toughest quarterback in the league by far.

SteelJunkie
10-02-2011, 04:14 PM
That is the thing we have been saying for awhile now. The main thing is right now you have a lot of money tied up in defense. That is all fine, but when your defense is not playing great then the offense is exposed.

At the moment you have some big contracts on the defensive line, at the same time you have 2 1st round draft picks waiting in the wings. That is a lot of idle money which is fine if your getting what ya pay for. This season is showing our neglect for our O-line and the play calling of our OC.

Even if we get this turned around these are huge problems. If this is Smith and Hampton's last year that would free up a good chunk of money. Wallace is going to be paid, but the O-line finially has hit the breaking point after all these years. Some vets need to take a paycut to stay next year to reflect performance. Ward, Farrior just to name a few. Take the extra money and spend some on the line for once.

Just some thoughts even if we turn it around and win the SB I would still want this as my wish list.

Steel Trap86
10-02-2011, 04:14 PM
Ya lets place the blame where it belongs. This O-line is the worst I've ever seen it. They lose all their one on one's, Ben never has any breathing room...zero. Time after time you see his pocket collapse and get swallowed by pass rushers. Just like one of the announcers said today, this line is being held together by bandages and duct tape. Bunch of ****ing bums, every single one of them today.

And what's up with the defense? Foster had 155 yards, 2 TD's on 30 carries today. Just last season we were averaging 60 yards rushing allowed per game!

JensK
10-02-2011, 04:15 PM
Two blows to the same knee already. Big Ben is not going to survive this season thats for sure.

Ibleedblk&gld
10-02-2011, 04:15 PM
Unleash hell

Thisoneguy555
10-02-2011, 04:16 PM
It's a shame that casual fans/semi serious bloggers/sports media/NFL Experts can all see this yet the Steelers refuse to fix the problem.

At this point in the season, there is nothing that can be fixed. There's no cap available, and they are stuck with the players they have.

They overpay the defense, there wont be any money to spend on good caliber offensive linemen in the off season. This team wont have any type of decent offensive line for years.

Nolrog
10-02-2011, 04:16 PM
In the next draft, they may need to bite the bullet, and trade their 1st and 3rd, maybe 1st and 2nd so they can move up and get that big time tackle. Although, at this rate, we may be drafting pretty high anyway.

Diehardsteel
10-02-2011, 04:17 PM
In the next draft, they may need to bite the bullet, and trade their 1st and 3rd, maybe 1st and 2nd so they can move up and get that big time tackle. Although, at this rate, we may be drafting pretty high anyway.

We will.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-02-2011, 04:20 PM
If I was Ben I would retire instead of taking the abuse every year......Just ****ing pathetic the Steelers organization allowed the OL to get this bad.......The Steelers better trade up for a LT period in the draft.....I don't want to hear how there isn't much difference from RT to LT in the NFL.....Ben needs to have his blind side protected......

LatrobePA
10-02-2011, 04:22 PM
It's all on Tomlin he's the dumbass saying he won't go outside for help! I'm sending out an SOS for him!

Rampage
10-02-2011, 04:24 PM
Can we get something in the vBookie Casino to bet on which week Ben will get his season-ending injury?

Nolrog
10-02-2011, 04:25 PM
It's all on Tomlin he's the dumbass saying he won't go outside for help! I'm sending out an SOS for him!

Do they have the money to get help though? And if Starks and Flozell were any good, why are they still not signed? I don't really think either (or both) will turn this season around.

steelersbabex25
10-02-2011, 04:27 PM
In the next draft, they may need to bite the bullet, and trade their 1st and 3rd, maybe 1st and 2nd so they can move up and get that big time tackle. Although, at this rate, we may be drafting pretty high anyway.

Silly boy. This is the Steelers we're talking about. They'll take a running back or a wide receiver in the first round. :woot: Best available player is the way to go!

Dobre Shunka
10-02-2011, 04:27 PM
How Ben managed to even have us in that game is beyond me.

How did he even survive the game w/o a major injury?

The most pitiful O-line in the game.

SteelJunkie
10-02-2011, 04:29 PM
Do they have the money to get help though? And if Starks and Flozell were any good, why are they still not signed? I don't really think either (or both) will turn this season around.

I think Flo wants money. Guess he would rather not play then make some cash. Starks is coming off the injury, and probably is out of shape. That just a guess though from experience with us is if he isn't playing he isn't working.

LatrobePA
10-02-2011, 04:33 PM
You make money, Cut Farrior, j. Scott, Legs, need I keep going?

SteelJunkie
10-02-2011, 04:43 PM
You make money, Cut Farrior, j. Scott, Legs, need I keep going?

You would have to keep going they don't pay Legs or Scott anything. Which is why they are in this mess to begin with by not spending anything on the line.

Rampage
10-02-2011, 04:49 PM
Farrior, Smith and Hampton could all go right now: None of those three seem to contribute to the team right now.

On the offensive line, ****, anyone who doesn't wear 53 is expendable.

LatrobePA
10-02-2011, 04:53 PM
Farrior, Smith and Hampton could all go right now: None of those three seem to contribute to the team right now.

On the offensive line, ****, anyone who doesn't wear 53 is expendable.

Yes sir!!!

Stairwayto7
10-02-2011, 04:57 PM
I almost want to see Ben act line Brady or Marino, and mother F his linemen! Jump down thier throats

TampaSteelGirl
10-02-2011, 04:59 PM
It's a shame that casual fans/semi serious bloggers/sports media/NFL Experts can all see this yet the Steelers refuse to fix the problem.

I swear to God this is so true...everyone see our issues...however our coaching staff and front office dont??? WTF?? :cursin:

LatrobePA
10-02-2011, 04:59 PM
Throw DWTS champ in there too!

TampaSteelGirl
10-02-2011, 05:02 PM
Throw DWTS champ in there too!

Hines...no obvious catch and Foote can hit the door too!

LatrobePA
10-02-2011, 05:22 PM
Hines...no obvious catch and Foote can hit the door too!

Bringing foote in for Farrior is like trading John Holmes for me, not even close!

TampaSteelGirl
10-02-2011, 05:24 PM
Bringing foote in for Farrior is like trading John Holmes for me, not even close!

4 crucial missed tackles from Foote...no excuses as far as im concerned! :cursin:

Thisoneguy555
10-02-2011, 05:26 PM
4 crucial missed tackles from Foote...no excuses as far as im concerned! :cursin:

Foote can't tackle, Farrior can't cover. Steelers need to put Troy at middle linebacker and put Mundy at safety.

Callax
10-02-2011, 05:26 PM
Get Flozell in to at least anchor the right side down....

LatrobePA
10-02-2011, 05:33 PM
Tomlin is sinking with this crew..

SteelerCountry58
10-02-2011, 05:43 PM
Tomlin is sinking with this crew..
I have seen this disease with the cross state Eagles.
Stubborness and arrogance runs amok with The Birds.
Everyone else seems to see the weakness and problems
but the front office to the lame coach do nothing to solve
the issues. The post game press conferences begin to resemble
a "Ground Hog Day" scenario in which you here the same b.s. with
nothing being done from different schemes to player evaluation.
Tomlin reminds me of a slimmer black Andy Reid.:greengrin:

BlitzburghRockCity
10-02-2011, 07:10 PM
Tomlin is in a tough spot too. He inherited a pretty damn good football team that all began aging at the same time. You can't fix everything every year so it is a process. However, the fact that it was not until 2010 that he started to get some offensive line help, in Pouncey. In 2011 he gets Gilbert, who is just going to take time.

As much as I love all the draft picks that he brought in that are playing well, IMO he should have started with fixing the line and then branch out from there.

Nolrog
10-02-2011, 08:07 PM
the fact that it was not until 2010 that he started to get some offensive line help, in Pouncey. In 2011 he gets Gilbert, who is just going to take time.

I'm not sure how much say Tomlin has in who's drafted. I'm sure he's got some influence but ultimately, isn't that Colbert's decision?

It's not entirely true that they didn't start at least looking for help until 2010. They've just drafted poorly.

In 2009, they spent a 3rd round pick on Kraig Urbik (who got nothing in 1 year with the Steelers, was waived and now starts for Buffalo) and a 7th round pick for AQ Shipley.

In 2008, they spent a 4th round pick on Tony Hills. He was waived last month and now plays with Denver.

In 2007, they spent a 5th round pick on Cameron Stephenson, who never really amounted to much.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-02-2011, 08:10 PM
Most of them were lower round picks....The Steelers until recently hadn't spent high picks on the OL......

Nolrog
10-02-2011, 08:30 PM
Most of them were lower round picks....The Steelers until recently hadn't spent high picks on the OL......

Third round pick is a lower round? :thinking:

Black@Gold Forever32
10-02-2011, 08:35 PM
Third round pick is a lower round? :thinking:

One third round pick in all of those you listed.......which my point is its hard to put a top OL together if you don't spend high picks on the OL.....If you don't then you better hit on those lower round picks which the Steelers havn't......ok we clear now.....really don't waste my time if all you come up with is just smart *** comments.....

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I'm not sure how much say Tomlin has in who's drafted. I'm sure he's got some influence but ultimately, isn't that Colbert's decision?

It's not entirely true that they didn't start at least looking for help until 2010. They've just drafted poorly.

In 2009, they spent a 3rd round pick on Kraig Urbik (who got nothing in 1 year with the Steelers, was waived and now starts for Buffalo) and a 7th round pick for AQ Shipley.

In 2008, they spent a 4th round pick on Tony Hills. He was waived last month and now plays with Denver.

In 2007, they spent a 5th round pick on Cameron Stephenson, who never really amounted to much.

Chris Scott was also drafted in the 5th round and Keith Williams in the 6th round.....more lower round picks

Nolrog
10-02-2011, 08:45 PM
ok we clear now.....really don't waste my time if all you come up with is just smart *** comments....


You can insult me all you like. However, the fact of the matter remains; and you're wrong. They spent plenty of decent choices on line men over the years. Third round and 4th rounders are not lower round picks and should give you value. They drafted poorly, which is what I said.

If you don't want to have an intelligent conversation with me, then just shut up an don't reply to my posts, since all you can come up with is smart *** insults.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-02-2011, 08:52 PM
You can insult me all you like. However, the fact of the matter remains; and you're wrong. They spent plenty of decent choices on line men over the years. Third round and 4th rounders should give you value.

If you don't want to have an intelligent conversation with me, then just shut up an don't reply to my posts, since all you can come up with is smart *** insults.

I'm wrong since of all those picks you listed and the two I listed the Steelers spent one third round pick and one fourth round pick on OL......Like I said if you draft OL in the lower round then you better not miss on those picks which the Steelers have....

When did I insult you? could careless if I did really:lol: so **** off.....:lol:

LatrobePA
10-02-2011, 09:50 PM
Tomlin and the FO have waited too long to sure up the line and letting go max and flo made no sense unless they planned to go shopping which they didn't...

Ben is now paying for it!

Real Deal Steel
10-02-2011, 09:57 PM
Well,

It's what I was saying in the off season. The FO can't do buisness they way it has been doing buisness. You can't ignore free agency when it comes to addressing needs.

We needed help in the O-line and the secondary. We watched the last three weeks as the Ravens added Mckennie and Gurode to bolster their O-line. There was no activity from our Front office at all towards those two guys.

I love the Front office ability to do things thru the draft. But it's time to use the free agency mechanism somewhat.

peoriasteeler4life
10-02-2011, 10:03 PM
Our Offensice Line Looks like a bunch of High school kids playing after a hugh hangover. This is rediculous. WE NEED TO GET SOMEBODY on this line. Call Flozell back. Hes animprovement over what we have. We are Paying Ben all this money and he not worth a damn when he get put on I.R. by the 8th game. Fix this problem Rooney's!!!! We need another offensice linemen THIS year and DAMN SURE Better be a guard in the first round next Year.

Clevelandsux
10-02-2011, 10:05 PM
Scott is the worst.

peoriasteeler4life
10-02-2011, 10:08 PM
You can insult me all you like. However, the fact of the matter remains; and you're wrong. They spent plenty of decent choices on line men over the years. Third round and 4th rounders are not lower round picks and should give you value. They drafted poorly, which is what I said.

If you don't want to have an intelligent conversation with me, then just shut up an don't reply to my posts, since all you can come up with is smart *** insults.



Gimmi a break The steelers are one of the best teams in the NFL for finding Value in the draft. I mean look at our receivers and tell me we dont draft good. Stop with all the insults and crap. This is a freindly board. NO DRAMA!!!! STEELER NATION!!!!

Real Deal Steel
10-02-2011, 10:14 PM
Sorry, but the Steelers have not been as dedicated to the addressing the O-line as they should. They could of had Mckennie on this team. They NEVER game Mckennie a sniff.

And we needed him more then the Ravens.

SteelJunkie
10-02-2011, 11:27 PM
Cam Heyward is pretty athletic maybe he can play on the O-line since he isn't getting many reps on the defense. :)

Deviouz1
10-03-2011, 12:43 AM
the same thing can be said for the D line. yes, theyve drafted for it. and yet they never play. why you would draft players and not let them play is beyond me, especially when the vets you have are underperforming. i refuse to put much of the blame on the LB's for their performance lately. i also refuse to put much of the blame on the secondary, yes Ike, that means you too.

neither line is shouldering the load as they should be. all i think whenever i hear about how badly the steelers are doing is listening to john madden talking about how the battle is decided in the trenches. he's a dullard but he's right. i think the vast majority of the issues the steelers have right now are due to poor line play. until those two areas are taken care of its pointless to worry about anything else. its pointless to have fast receivers. its pointless to have good CB's. if your lines suck, you suck.

Nolrog
10-03-2011, 06:21 AM
Gimmi a break The steelers are one of the best teams in the NFL for finding Value in the draft. I mean look at our receivers and tell me we dont draft good. Stop with all the insults and crap. This is a freindly board. NO DRAMA!!!! STEELER NATION!!!!

They do a fantastic job of drafting receivers. Great value there. They get crap value out of line men. You can't argue that point. Heck, the 3rd round pick didn't even make it to year 2. A third rounder. That's a horrible waste of a pick and very poor value.

Sweed was also poor value by the way, and he was a #2.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-03-2011, 11:51 AM
Gimmi a break The steelers are one of the best teams in the NFL for finding Value in the draft. I mean look at our receivers and tell me we dont draft good. Stop with all the insults and crap. This is a freindly board. NO DRAMA!!!! STEELER NATION!!!!

In the past that was the case I would agree with you. In the most recent 5 years for example, those value picks should start to pan out. Looking at the current Steelers roster, the amount of value picks actually contributing significantly are very few.

Antonio Brown was a great value pick, no doubt. Superstar receiver in the making.

Isaac Redman - Underutlized back that most of us love. Great lower body power and always keeps his feet moving.

Danny Sepulveda - Calling a Punter a value pick can be somewhat funny but clearly he's done a good job when healthy.

When you compare the amount actually doing something good for this team now vs the the countless players that have done nothing, is pretty disheartening.

First 3-4 rounds, sure the Steelers usually nail those and we can all agree on that. Lately though the value picks have been not so good. Perhaps guys like Baron Batch and Cortez Allen will help sway those numbers but it remains to be seen.

steelersbabex25
10-03-2011, 11:52 AM
Danny Sepulveda - Calling a Punter a value pick can be somewhat funny but clearly he's done a good job when healthy.

Drafted Sepulveda was a great move, seeing as he's currently the most dependable player on the team.