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BlitzburghRockCity
09-30-2011, 08:33 AM
This was a pretty easy question in past years if you are a Steeler fan. You establish the run and use that set up the passing game. Rollouts and play action especially all benefit from getting the ground game going early and often. It slows down the pass rush and keeps the defense honest. Making them commit more guys to the box opens up everything down field.

That's all well and good, but for the "new" Steelers, times have changed. Atleast in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with using the pass to setup the run now. That's provided you have an offensive line that can block with a damn. Anyways, with the multitude of weapons that Big Ben has at his disposal there's no reason to not throw the ball.

Come out of the gate, get Ben on the move with designed roll outs, boot legs, short drops and quick passes to get into the flow of the game. You still slow down the pass rush, by using the short passing game as a "second running game". We all know the hated Patriots do this very well.

Once you get Ben into the flow of the game, the WR's start making plays, the defense starts putting more people back to defend the pass and suddenly you've got lanes all over the place for Mendenhall and Redman to run.

The Steelers however choose to ram their heads into a wall though and have Ben drop back, have some dinner, call his wife, send out a few texts, and then maybe release the ball! The tunnel vision mindset of this team is killing the QB and hampering the offense.

There's nothing wrong with throwing the ball first, just do it the right way.

There's an article in the PG that talks alittle about this too.


Call this a Catch 22 that depends on a Run 22, a delicate balance in which success in one can produce more success in the other or failure can yield failure.

The NFL has become a passing league for reasons Bruce Arians, the Steelers offensive coordinator, will explain. He believes the Steelers will go along with it, that their passing attack right now must "carry" them. Before they can unleash the power that starts with Ben Roethlisberger's right arm, however, they must first show they can do more than grind out 3.3 yards per carry when they run, and therein lies the dilemma, or maybe a solution to what ails the Steelers offense.

"I usually script five home runs a game," Arians said of throwing the deep ball. "I don't like coming home with any of them not being called. That's something we just love to do, we like to throw the ball deep."

But they cannot do that if they keep coming up short on the run. They need that threat to bring one safety closer to the line and open those deep passing lanes.

"I'd like to run the ball a whole lot better so that we can use that play-action because it's hard to drop back and throw it deep," Arians said. "If you get play-action and your running game is working, you can get it deep because then you can eliminate some safety play. We better run the ball better to get it deep."

The question is how?

The answer has not surfaced in their first three games. The Steelers average 85.7 yards per game rushing. Rashard Mendenhall, Arians' lead dog, has 148 yards and a 3.0-yard average per carry.

And Sunday in Houston against a rampaging defense, it looks as though the Steelers will insert two more starters in a line that has seen more changes than a Macy's dressing room.

"It's a guy here or there," said Arians, explaining the ground game's problems.

"It's not a major concern right now. We're still young, we're still shifting around, getting to know what these new guys can do. It's one of those things where the passing game is going to have to carry us a little bit more than the running game, but we have to get it going."

As for it being easier to pass in a year in which records are falling through the air everywhere, Arians said it is natural.

"Ain't no doubt, because of the rule changes. It's harder to run the football than it used to be. People have gone back to a lot of eight-man fronts and a lot of stunts and blitzing to blow runs up. So, it's a lot easier to throw the football right now.

"And I think with the lockout, it's much easier to throw it than it is to run it. I think most people would think it's easier the other way, but guys can throw and catch in shorts all the time. It takes some time to grind out that running game and now, with only one day a week in pads, it even slows the process down."

From the PG (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11273/1178687-66-0.stm#ixzz1ZRFOmc3g)

LatrobePA
09-30-2011, 08:58 AM
I think the Texans were giving up an average of 4.8 yards per touch last week. If so that means we'll come out slinging it!

steelchamp204
09-30-2011, 09:11 AM
Give it to Redman, he doesnt dance in the backfield and get happy feet before he take 3 full steps. Idc whose in, run the ball baby,work the clock. Then set up the pass.

TampaSteelGirl
09-30-2011, 09:24 AM
I say first pass of the first drive have Ben throw a 40yrd bomb to a wide open Wallace for the TD :tt02:

Gut punch the Texans right off the bat! :grin1:

steelchamp204
09-30-2011, 09:46 AM
I say first pass of the first drive have Ben throw a 40yrd bomb to a wide open Wallace for the TD :tt02:

Gut punch the Texans right off the bat! :grin1:

Yea then we will be flat for the rest of the game :banana::banana::banana: Hence the Colts game haha

LatrobePA
09-30-2011, 09:53 AM
Yea then we will be flat for the rest of the game :banana::banana::banana: Hence the Colts game haha

Damn, it's Friday last day of the work week and you're still salty?? lol

steelchamp204
09-30-2011, 10:23 AM
Damn, it's Friday last day of the work week and you're still salty?? lol

Ugh, yea man. I just read an article about BA and the offensive line issues :evilshake: lol. I think we should just work on getting a rythm at the beggining of the game and then try and make some big plays. Instead of making a big play and not finding ANY kind of rythym. Plus I work weekends :cursin:. Always have since I got out of highschool and im 23 now lol

TampaSteelGirl
09-30-2011, 10:28 AM
Yea then we will be flat for the rest of the game :banana::banana::banana: Hence the Colts game haha

You're killing me here....:evilshake:

Nolrog
09-30-2011, 10:45 AM
IMO, the way to win is still rushing and defense. Controlling the clock, keeping the other team's offense off the field and beating them up when they are on the field. That's the ticket.

steelchamp204
09-30-2011, 10:52 AM
IMO, the way to win is still rushing and defense. Controlling the clock, keeping the other team's offense off the field and beating them up when they are on the field. That's the ticket.

Yea I used to be a big dousche back in the day when we RAN,RAN PASS but thats when I was impatient and in high school. Now I understand though the way to beat a great passing team is to control the clock and keep that offense off the field. I think espn and all the experts are drinking the 45 points a game koolaid and say its the new thing because look at how many possesions both teams get in the game. If you have a strong run game like we used to and great defense then we can will alot of games cause of time of possesion. Everyone is just in love with this quick high octane offense now cause of Brady doing it for so many year and nowe Brees,Rodgers,Manning and rivers. But if you limit those great qbs to low possesions a game how will they beat you if they only get a cpl tds and maybe a field goal? Its all about TOP

SteelJunkie
09-30-2011, 11:26 AM
I like either way. The thing is you have to adjust on the fly. If the run game isn't going nowhere pass the ball. You could always do short high percentage passes which is basically like an extended hand off. For the love of god I'm not talking about bubble screens. You could dink and dunk and still be effective.

I think the key is to just keep moving the chains anyway possible. TOP will come if your steadily moving the ball regardless of run or passing. The thing with the colts game that drove me nuts was we continued to try and run on first down while averaging 2 yards a carry. Get a short pass off and make it 2nd and 5 to make the defense at least guess what your going to do.

Arians keeps running these deep passing routes and its usually all or nothing. He still hasn't learned its ok to throw a slant once in awhile and see what happens.

LatrobePA
09-30-2011, 11:42 AM
We are playing the Texans right? The way some people are talking you'd think we're up against Brady and the Pats this week.

LarryNJ
09-30-2011, 11:52 AM
I don't think it should be set either way mix it up. With a short (completed) pass or a run you are trying to accomplish the same thing. Gain 4 or 5 yards and run time off the clock. I agree that TOP is huge, it keeps the defense fresh and they can't score when they don't have the ball. Unless of course until Ben fumbles or throws an int. :)

Rampage
09-30-2011, 12:29 PM
I think they are a defensive lineman in the backfield first team.

Goodfrom55
09-30-2011, 01:06 PM
Sure would suck 1st play of the game, PA Pass and a QB Sack. I would still go PA Pass, but look for Heath or Hines on some kind of mid-range seam route.

Heck, while we're at it, let's do a flee flicker on the 1st play. Texans will surely buy the straight dive into the line, but will never suspect some trickery right away. Partially joking here. . ..

steelersbabex25
09-30-2011, 02:47 PM
I think, with this offensive line and with an offensive coordinator that won't play to your starting RB's strengths, you have to come out passing. Roll Ben out, keep him on the move, because he's not going to have much time to stand around in the pocket. Seems like Bruce Arians will never call any plays designed to have Mendy run it to the outside, and the offensive line will not be opening any holes down the gut, and we all know that Mendy is not exactly a master at pushing the pile. So, unless we start incorporating Redman into the running game, call me a pessimist, but as long as we have a battered offensive line and an inept offensive coordinator, "pass first" is and will continue to be the motto for the Steelers this year.

connecticutsteel
09-30-2011, 02:59 PM
Always run first that's not a steelers thing that's a football thing .As a team you have to be 2 dimentional

Goodfrom55
09-30-2011, 03:11 PM
Wait a minute, I got it, 1st play, bubble screen to Hines for 3 yard gain. they'll never expect that play.

steelersbabex25
09-30-2011, 03:11 PM
Wait a minute, I got it, 1st play, bubble screen to Hines for 3 yard gain. they'll never expect that play.

Not like we run it 7 plays a game or anything :rolleyes:

Goodfrom55
09-30-2011, 03:20 PM
Not like we run it 7 plays a game or anything :rolleyes:

I have to work on my sarcasm.

Biggest thing is they (offense) can't fall in love with the big play, football is seires of 10 yard games with a game. Move the ball ten yards, you keep the ball, do it enough times, you score.

I'm old school when it comes to offense, always believe in running the ball to set up the pass. problem is, whether the defenses are identifying our running plays via the formations we call or what, it's like they know a run is coming. Part of my "keys" is to mix up[ the play calling and disguise the running game as much as possible (regarding formation). I know 9 times out of 10, I can send a safety on a blitz on 1st down because the Steelers are going to run it on 1st down 9 times out of 10.

steelersbabex25
09-30-2011, 03:22 PM
I have to work on my sarcasm.

I knew you were being sarcastic :lol:

TheFizzman
09-30-2011, 03:40 PM
First play of game...Antonio Brown TD off kickoff return...but if you want first offensive play, i would like to see mike wallace reverse. hines and heath blocking for him coming left to right...get a nice 15 yard gain or so. :cope:

LarryNJ
09-30-2011, 04:28 PM
Biggest thing is they (offense) can't fall in love with the big play,

Too late..BA is in love.


"I usually script five home runs a game," Arians said of throwing the deep ball. "I don't like coming home with any of them not being called. That's something we just love to do, we like to throw the ball deep."