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BlitzburghRockCity
09-14-2011, 03:24 PM
Last year when he was drafted and had such a good camp and preseason, most of us were thinking he was the heir apparent to James Harrison. In the little playing time he had in 2010 he showed flashes of potential. He was drafted in the 2nd round with the thinking that over time he'd be ready to step in.

Fast forward to 2011. In Latrobe, linebackers coach Keith Butler called him out saying that he needed to have a sense of urgency and dedication to his craft. In preseason he showed very little even playing against mostly backups. When he played against starters he wasn't getting a good pass rush, and had very little push into the backfield. He looked to be out of position most of the time and just generally seemed to be lost on the field. While I certainly can't speak for what happens behind closed doors in the Steelers facility or anything, it seems clear though that he's got some issues to work through. I don't think it's a talent problem, he's got natural good pass rushing skills. He may just be taking longer to develop.

While Sly Sylvester has been penciled in for MLB, he did get some work on the outside as well. Should something happen to Harrison or Woodley, you would think Worilds would step in but that may not necessarily be the case.

The thinking is as of now, that the coaches could pull a move similar to what they did with Chad Scott back in the 90's. Move Timmons outside and then let Foote take over inside should it become necessary to do so.

It's not like his career is completely tanked yet, but he certainly hasn't done himself any favors in 2011 so far.

LatrobePA
09-14-2011, 03:34 PM
I think he has a chance but we'll never know unless the coaches give him a chance..

STEELyourface
09-14-2011, 04:19 PM
I think he has a chance but we'll never know unless the coaches give him a chance..

I've never really understood why we work the young guys in so slowly (for the most part), but it seems as if we have less draft busts than other teams too, so I've never really questioned it. All that being said, I've never been too impressed with Worilds but like you said, he really hasn't had much of a chance. To be fair, some guys aren't very good practice players but are $$ in games.

I'm not making any predictions about this guy, cause I just don't know either way on this one.

Goodfrom55
09-14-2011, 04:40 PM
It starts with the coaches cutting the chord on these pups and seeing what they can do before they hang around for 4 years and prove to be worthless (Tony Hills). Take NE and their TE's, Gronkowski and Hernendez. Both of these guys were starters as rookies and are now dangerour weapons in only their 2nd season in the NFL. Where I come from, you learn by doing, not by watching. I understand that the Steelers have depth in certain positions, but why not swap people in when possible? Let them experience some game speed. Going up against the same people in practice accomplished nothing because you become aware of your teammates tendencies.

For God's sake, look at Pouncey; he will be an All Pro center for the next 10 years. Look at Kendrell Bell as a rookie, he was a beast. Gotta give these guys a chance to get their taste right away. I still maintain that Ziggy should be starting over Smitty right now.

Rampage
09-14-2011, 06:04 PM
I'd like to see him get a shot. At this point, an unhealthy Harrison isn't cutting it. At least not for four quarters. Give Worilds a chance. If he can play, excellent. If not, cut him next year and move on. Let's start doing what other teams seem to do: Try guys out and move on if they suck.

connecticutsteel
09-14-2011, 07:40 PM
the Steelers are the only team i know that will sit guys so long that they acctually lose their desire to play i mean really look at every team that drafted o- lineman in the first or second rd 85 to 90 % of the picks start or get significant time Gilbert would not have seen the light of day for 1 or 2 more years if colon didn't get hurt. Keenan played almost all of the snaps with the first team defense and showed more than flashes . he was solid during the preseason and mc Fadden didn't play a snap but he gets the start? no wonder why guys lose interest .Another thing that i can't figure out is Crezdon Butler and Tony Hills were cut and snatched up by Arizona and Denver before they were done packing now both are 2nd string for there new teams and it looks like Hills will be starting tackle soon right now he backs up Orlando Franklin a rookie .I've never seen teams pick up players so fast it's like they were like oh man are you serious look what i found! Worilds would be starting his second season at olb this year use him or trade him that's what i say

Rampage
09-14-2011, 08:32 PM
the Steelers are the only team i know that will sit guys so long that they acctually lose their desire to play i mean really look at every team that drafted o- lineman in the first or second rd 85 to 90 % of the picks start or get significant time Gilbert would not have seen the light of day for 1 or 2 more years if colon didn't get hurt. Keenan played almost all of the snaps with the first team defense and showed more than flashes . he was solid during the preseason and mc Fadden didn't play a snap but he gets the start? no wonder why guys lose interest .Another thing that i can't figure out is Crezdon Butler and Tony Hills were cut and snatched up by Arizona and Denver before they were done packing now both are 2nd string for there new teams and it looks like Hills will be starting tackle soon right now he backs up Orlando Franklin a rookie .I've never seen teams pick up players so fast it's like they were like oh man are you serious look what i found! Worilds would be starting his second season at olb this year use him or trade him that's what i say

Keenan Lewis is a guy I really feel for. He looked solid in the preseason, yet McFadden automatically gets the start and Lewis doesn't even get the nickel job. Yeah, I'm sure these guys really get motivated knowing that they have about a 1% chance of cracking the lineup.

Troyisabeast_43
09-14-2011, 08:51 PM
This is all Mike Tomlin's doing and his love for playing veterans who he expects to continue to play at a high level when in reality they simply cant anymore because they just arent good enough. Foote is definitely one of those players, and guys like Farrior McFadden and dare I say Aaron Smith are in that same category as well. The young guys sooner or later especially in the secondary guys like Lewis and Brown have got to be given more opportunities especially if McFadden continues to fail miserably like he did in the Ravens game this past week.

STEELyourface
09-14-2011, 09:02 PM
This is all Mike Tomlin's doing and his love for playing veterans who he expects to continue to play at a high level when in reality they simply cant anymore because they just arent good enough. Foote is definitely one of those players, and guys like Farrior McFadden and dare I say Aaron Smith are in that same category as well. The young guys sooner or later especially in the secondary guys like Lewis and Brown have got to be given more opportunities especially if McFadden continues to fail miserably like he did in the Ravens game this past week.

It isn't all Tomlin. This has been a part of the Steelers philosophy long before Tomlin was here and we do play some guys early, look at Brown and Sanders last year, they got time on the field. I understand exactly what you mean though and I'm not saying you are wrong or even disagreeing with you. I'm not sure how they go about deciding who plays quickly and who has to sit a while because there doesn't seem to be much consistentcy to it.

A lot of coaches are famous for keeping having "their guys," the most obvious example of Parcells comes to mind there.


For God's sake, look at Pouncey; he will be an All Pro center for the next 10 years. Look at Kendrell Bell as a rookie, he was a beast. Gotta give these guys a chance to get their taste right away. I still maintain that Ziggy should be starting over Smitty right now.

Pouncey is a GREAT example of how well it can work out. I was wondering how long it would take before someone brought up Kendrell Bell, he didn't end up working out, what a disappointment, thought he was gonna be a stud for years!

LatrobePA
09-14-2011, 09:06 PM
This is all Mike Tomlin's doing and his love for playing veterans who he expects to continue to play at a high level when in reality they simply cant anymore because they just arent good enough. Foote is definitely one of those players, and guys like Farrior McFadden and dare I say Aaron Smith are in that same category as well. The young guys sooner or later especially in the secondary guys like Lewis and Brown have got to be given more opportunities especially if McFadden continues to fail miserably like he did in the Ravens game this past week.

At this rate all our draft picks will be 3 years behind the rest of the league.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-15-2011, 12:06 AM
While I don't have an issue with the Steelers wanting rookies to sit and learn, I do think that they need to show some potential each year and get better. Jason is only in his second year, and normally you expect to see a significant improvement from the 1st to the 2nd year. In this case, Worilds has taken a step back. Atleast for the time being. When he was drafted and signed, I'm sure it was made clear to him that he will sit and learn for a few years and work his way into the rotation. Harrison and Woodley are the established vets. Now I would like to see him spell Harrison more this year, or Woodley. Just to get some experience.

His career isn't over yet, but I don't know that the starters playing more than he is should have affected him. The 34 defense is tough to learn for everyone, linebackers especially. They are the heart and soul of the that unit. If he's not ready then he should sit. He had plenty of time to show his stuff in camp and preseason and couldn't come through. Hopefully he responds this year when he does get time on the field.

connecticutsteel
09-15-2011, 01:15 AM
While I don't have an issue with the Steelers wanting rookies to sit and learn, I do think that they need to show some potential each year and get better. Jason is only in his second year, and normally you expect to see a significant improvement from the 1st to the 2nd year. In this case, Worilds has taken a step back. Atleast for the time being. When he was drafted and signed, I'm sure it was made clear to him that he will sit and learn for a few years and work his way into the rotation. Harrison and Woodley are the established vets. Now I would like to see him spell Harrison more this year, or Woodley. Just to get some experience.

His career isn't over yet, but I don't know that the starters playing more than he is should have affected him. The 34 defense is tough to learn for everyone, linebackers especially. They are the heart and soul of the that unit. If he's not ready then he should sit. He had plenty of time to show his stuff in camp and preseason and couldn't come through. Hopefully he responds this year when he does get time on the field.

I agree some players need to sit and learn but others need to get better by doing or playing it's the coaches and the staff's job to figure out what kind of guy Jason Worilds is the example i will use is Cortez Allen he is clearly as talented as anyone in his draft class but he is behind the rest of the draft because he went to The Citadel if he went to say alabama or florida he probably would have been a 1st rd pick so by giving him zero looks will only set him back light years by keeping Cam and Curtis and all the young guys out of the rotation doesn't do them any good it breeds contempt that is why the Denvers and the Arizonas of the world pounce on our young players that get cut because the Steelers know how to pick talent but often don't know how to manage or use it:imho:

cmerrifield
09-15-2011, 08:14 AM
I dont mind the sit and learn approach when we have talent ahead of these guys. I was just fine with Worilds sitting behind Harrison last year. But this isnt all Tomlin, remember the only reason Big Ben got a start in his rookie year is Maddox went down. I do think we need to sit some veterans though. Maybe not after week 1, but a couple weeks from now, we all may be calling for some changes in the lineup.

HUNT4SEVEN
09-15-2011, 03:16 PM
Worilds will have a future with us if he shows he has more than speed to offer us,my thing is this if we have such a complicated defensive scheme to learn then make it simple we have sum good young talent that needs to be on the field we can't afford to wait untill next year IMO, they need gametime experience NOW, plus it will give the vets some much needed rest every now and then and keep them fresh for later on in the season if we make it to the playoffs,Tomlin and Coward and Noll all had problems playing rookies...

BlitzburghRockCity
09-15-2011, 11:15 PM
You wonder if coach Lebeau is going to employ similar tactics on the outside with Harrison, like he's doing with Foote and Farrior? Since Harrison's conditioning and strength are not near back to normal yet, why not consider giving Worilds or Sylvester some work on the outside? Perhaps for a few downs here and there just to get Harrison a break?

Root4Stlrs
09-15-2011, 11:25 PM
Is our system really that much more complicated than everyone else's in the league?

Rampage
09-16-2011, 10:35 AM
Is our system really that much more complicated than everyone else's in the league?

New England starts rookies all over the field. Ras-I Dowling looked decent in the last game. Second round corner if I am not mistaken (still wish we snagged him).

Root4Stlrs
09-16-2011, 10:27 PM
New England starts rookies all over the field. Ras-I Dowling looked decent in the last game. Second round corner if I am not mistaken (still wish we snagged him).

Exactly. I don't get it.

connecticutsteel
09-17-2011, 02:10 AM
New England starts rookies all over the field. Ras-I Dowling looked decent in the last game. Second round corner if I am not mistaken (still wish we snagged him).

Dowling was brilliant in coverage far better than Smith that's why niether one is aSteeler

BlitzburghRockCity
09-17-2011, 11:27 AM
That's the philosophical difference between what Belichick does and what Tomlin and the Steelers do. Both teams draft very well, probably 2 of the best in the NFL at it. However, the Patriots have much more confidence in their rookies than the Steelers ever have. They are willing to take a chance and see how they work out, rather than just let veterans keep hanging around forever.