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steelersbabex25
09-04-2011, 02:57 PM
Can't believe nobody here has started a thread on this yet, so here it goes.

It's not looking good for Sidney Crosby. This offseason they pushed his workouts up to 90%, and as soon as he goes that high he starts getting the headaches and losing vision and all the great and fun stuff that comes with a concussion. So, obviously, he's still very much on the non contact side of the hockey rink. If he's had 8 months to recover and still is not even close to a full recover, people are saying that this could very well be the end of his career at the very most. At the very least, he won't come back till January at the earliest. And, if he does come back in January and gets hit at the head like he did last January, that could very well be it for him. It'll be a somber day in Pittsburgh if we find out that such a talent, who was supposed to lead our team for atleast 10 more years, is out at 24.

That being said, can't believe the trainer that let him play in the game after the Winter Classic. Worst move by a trainer in the NHL ever.

STEELyourface
09-04-2011, 03:42 PM
That SUCKS to hear. Concussions are strange, to say the least and affect everyone differently. It could just be a matter of more (and more and more) time before he recovers, or at least we all hope.

I know a kid that suffered a really bad concussion in a high school football game and it took him just over 2 years to make a full recovery and he actually was able to return to playing football, but this is not encouraging to say the least.

Above all, I hope the guy is able to return to a normal life and doesn't end up with any long term or life altering issues outside of the sports arena.

BlacknGold Bleeder
09-04-2011, 10:34 PM
Definitely not looking good ,but there is still hope...that being said I doubt highly it was a trainers decision to let him play or not.
Most important is the Kid gets to live a normal life and happily ever after...

steelersbabex25
09-04-2011, 11:18 PM
Definitely not looking good ,but there is still hope...that being said I doubt highly it was a trainers decision to let him play or not.
Most important is the Kid gets to live a normal life and happily ever after...

Bottom line is that he should not have been able to play on Jan 5th, even if he insisted that he was good to go. He obviously wasn't.

lloydfan4life
09-05-2011, 01:15 AM
WOW... must admit I haven't followed very closely in the off season and this is the first I heard of the seriousness of his concussion.... still.

Definitely not good news. :(

Brain injuries are scary stuff.

LarryNJ
09-05-2011, 09:25 AM
The last that I heard he was awaiting results from 2 different specialist. It is concerning that he hasn't recovered after this much time. We can only hope he has a 100% recovery no matter how long it takes.

Prosdo
09-05-2011, 11:53 AM
I heard the specialist said he will make a 100% recovery. It is just a matter of time.

Rampage
09-05-2011, 03:09 PM
This whole thing makes me shake my head.

Scorp
09-06-2011, 02:47 PM
DAMN!! There's a loose screw up there somewhere. He must have gotten hit pretty darn good to still have headaches or losing his vision. What the hell have the doctors been doing this whole time? Maybe he needs to see better Dr's. I don't know. It would sure be great to have him in the line up this season. Wish you the best Sid.

steelersbabex25
09-06-2011, 02:57 PM
DAMN!! There's a loose screw up there somewhere. He must have gotten hit pretty darn good to still have headaches or losing his vision. What the hell have the doctors been doing this whole time? Maybe he needs to see better Dr's. I don't know. It would sure be great to have him in the line up this season. Wish you the best Sid.

I don't know how much treatment you can give for a severe concussion. Sounds like it kind of needs to heal itself.

Scorp
09-06-2011, 03:03 PM
I don't know how much treatment you can give for a severe concussion. Sounds like it kind of needs to heal itself.

Prayer, time, laughter and maybe penicillin are the best healers.

Black@Gold Forever32
09-06-2011, 03:16 PM
Crosby is so talented....would be a shame to see his career end so soon......

Rampage
09-06-2011, 07:21 PM
Am I alone in being skeptical about this whole situation? A concussion so bad that it could end his career sounds a bit iffy to me. They were some tough hits, but with so much time off, I begin to wonder how much of the concussion is lingering and how over protective they may be. Nobody knows as well as Crosby, of course, but I am a bit of a doubter.

LarryNJ
09-06-2011, 07:43 PM
Am I alone in being skeptical about this whole situation? A concussion so bad that it could end his career sounds a bit iffy to me.

I never heard career ending mentioned until this thread. Over protective? Maybe but I have no problem with that. Look at Eric Lindros, I certainly don't want Sids career to mirror Eric's.

Maybe we will know more tomorrow.

Sidney Crosby will address the media Wednesday, Sept. 7 at 12:30 pm ET. The media conference will stream live on PittsburghPenguins.com.

STEELyourface
09-06-2011, 11:22 PM
Am I alone in being skeptical about this whole situation? A concussion so bad that it could end his career sounds a bit iffy to me. They were some tough hits, but with so much time off, I begin to wonder how much of the concussion is lingering and how over protective they may be. Nobody knows as well as Crosby, of course, but I am a bit of a doubter.

I have no idea about career ending, etc. But I'll say again, I knew a kid in high school that took over 2 years to make a full recovery from a concussion he suffered in a football game, crazy I know, but it happened. I'm sure it is rare, but everyone is so different and the brain is such a mystery who knows?? I hope not cause even if I wasn't a Pens fan it would still really suck!!

LatrobePA
09-07-2011, 02:44 PM
Bottom line is that he should not have been able to play on Jan 5th, even if he insisted that he was good to go. He obviously wasn't.

I agree 1000000000000000000000000%

He should of not even went back on the ice at the WC...

Ibleedblk&gld
09-07-2011, 03:58 PM
i watched about 20 min. of the live conference Sid and his doctors held at Consol Energy today...sounds promising that he will play this season...when is the question...they said he was at 85-90% going almost full speed...but once he pushed himself fully, he would start getting headaches, his vision would get screwy, and his balance was off...they're still working on rehabbing that and hope that they can incorporate some hitting in the next few months so they can see how he handles it

LatrobePA
09-07-2011, 04:16 PM
Let's hope Geno stays healthy...

steelersbabex25
09-07-2011, 06:32 PM
Even if he does get back on the ice this season, the question is what happens when he gets a shot to the head again? I'm not sure, but I think that once you've had a major concussion it's easier to slip back into one again.

Rampage
09-08-2011, 10:09 AM
Even if he does get back on the ice this season, the question is what happens when he gets a shot to the head again? I'm not sure, but I think that once you've had a major concussion it's easier to slip back into one again.

That's my concern. If this thing is bad enough, a sideways fart from a gnat will probably give him another concussion. How long before some enforcer for Philly, Washington or the Islanders takes a step into him? How long is he out then?

I hate to say it, but if sitting him for an extended portion of the season meant that he would be perfect for the rest of the season/his career, I'd think that's what they would have to do.

LarryNJ
09-08-2011, 10:19 AM
Sit out the year and come back with no issues is fine with me. Although I really don't see that happening. My guess is Jan 1st get a few months to get back in shape for the playoffs and win the cup! :)


BTW: Fear the Turtle? WTF? hahahaha

steelersbabex25
09-08-2011, 01:38 PM
Sit out the year and come back with no issues is fine with me. Although I really don't see that happening. My guess is Jan 1st get a few months to get back in shape for the playoffs and win the cup! :)


BTW: Fear the Turtle? WTF? hahahaha

Honestly, we would still be extremely good without Crosby assuming that the rest of the team stays healthy. Of course, having him would put us into the unreal category, but I don't think it's worth it to risk his career and rush him back on the ice this season.

BTW: Was that serious? It's UMD's slogan..

Thisoneguy555
09-08-2011, 04:05 PM
I knew someone with a similar concussion. Took 8 months just for him to stand up without becoming extremely dizzy, so sitting out a year might be best for him.

STEELyourface
09-08-2011, 09:17 PM
I would prefer he didn't come back at all this year if that is what it takes. They already rushed him back once and we all see where that got him. Missing an entire season is a lot better than shortening or even ending his career. I really don't expect to see him back this year. I didn't think that press conference was positive at all. I know he said he thought he'd be back this year but based on the doctors' comments I am no less concerned or assured than I was.

Black@Gold Forever32
09-08-2011, 09:39 PM
Sid is only 24 so yea maybe sitting out the entire season would be best.....He just needs to get better and take care of himself.....I just want him back on the ice since he is so amazing to watch.....would be a tragedy if his career was cut short....

STEELyourface
09-09-2011, 01:15 AM
I wonder if this leads to a rules change or probably more accurate a rules adjustment. The NHL needs Crosby playing. The sport is hurting for viewers and interest and Crosby is flat out the biggest star in the game. The talk of rule changes has been going on for what seems like forever now and this could be something that finally tips the balance in that favor. I'm not saying they will or that I'm even for it but I think it is something that is worth a discussion.

You may think I'm crazy but look at what the NFL is doing to assure QBs stay on the field. If there was ever a professional sports league to mimic or take notes from the NFL would be the one. Hell, preseason games this year were getting higher tv ratings than the past 3/4 World Series.

steelersbabex25
09-09-2011, 02:10 AM
I wonder if this leads to a rules change or probably more accurate a rules adjustment. The NHL needs Crosby playing. The sport is hurting for viewers and interest and Crosby is flat out the biggest star in the game. The talk of rule changes has been going on for what seems like forever now and this could be something that finally tips the balance in that favor. I'm not saying they will or that I'm even for it but I think it is something that is worth a discussion.

You may think I'm crazy but look at what the NFL is doing to assure QBs stay on the field. If there was ever a professional sports league to mimic or take notes from the NFL would be the one. Hell, preseason games this year were getting higher tv ratings than the past 3/4 World Series.

I get what you're saying, but it's a lot easier for the NFL to make rules to protect a specific position than it is for the NHL to say, "ok, don't hit Crosby, don't hit Ovechkin."

STEELyourface
09-09-2011, 02:25 AM
I don't think it would be all that difficult for the NHL to start actually enforcing rules regarding blows to the head that are already in place and legislate out some of the vicious hitting. Everything is theoretically already in place it is just matter of following through with harsher penalties. It is as much a change in the culture as anything pretty similar to what they are currently attempting to do in the NFL. It is something they claim to have been discussing for a while now...............

steelersbabex25
09-09-2011, 02:50 AM
I don't think it would be all that difficult for the NHL to start actually enforcing rules regarding blows to the head that are already in place and legislate out some of the vicious hitting. Everything is theoretically already in place it is just matter of following through with harsher penalties. It is as much a change in the culture as anything pretty similar to what they are currently attempting to do in the NFL. It is something they claim to have been discussing for a while now...............

I just think it'd be harder to enforce rules about hitting in a game that's all about hitting. Although, that's what we all thought about the NFL 5 years ago..

STEELyourface
09-09-2011, 04:30 PM
I just think it'd be harder to enforce rules about hitting in a game that's all about hitting. Although, that's what we all thought about the NFL 5 years ago..

Exactly my point. Plus originally it wasn't all about hitting. That is what it has become relegated to and for years the league embraced that role (or at least seemed to), but I think they should at least consider enforcing some of the changes they've claimed to have already made.

Scorp
09-12-2011, 03:38 PM
No Time Frame or Date on ReturnWednesday, 07.09.2011 / 3:19 PM / Features By Sam Kasan Penguins center Sidney Crosby has made “significant progress” the last three weeks and is expected to make a full recovery from a concussion he suffered in early January.

While there are no certainties involved with a concussion, Crosby and doctors are optimistic he will return to the ice, but there is still no timetable for when he will play again.

“I’m very optimistic that we’ll see Sid have a very long, fruitful NHL career,” said Dr. Michael Collins, director of UPMC Sports Medicine Concussion Program. “The prognosis is excellent that Sid will not have any long-term problems from this injury. I’m supremely confident of that issue. The return to play issue, I’m equally confident. I think we’ll get there. We’re not there yet and we have work to do before we get there.

“Recently Sid has made exceptional progress toward improving and becoming normal. In order for him to go back to play, he needs to be reconditioned 100 percent without having symptoms. … There is no timeline on this. We cannot predict when that will occur.”

“Mentally I feel good, probably the best I’ve felt,” Crosby said. “I’m really happy with the last three weeks. It’s been a tough road.”

Crosby, who was accompanied by general manager Ray Shero and his two concussion doctors, Dr. Collins and Dr. Ted Carrick at Wednesday's media conference, responded to Internet rumors that he was going to retire.

“Retirement? No,” Crosby said. “I always thought about the consequences of this injury and making sure I’m smart with it because at the end of the day (retirement) is the last thing I want. That being said, I did not give a whole lot of thought to (retiring).”

And after being asked of the possibility that he would never play again, Crosby responded: “Pretty slight. I wouldn’t bet on that.”

Dr. Carrick, director of Carrick Institute in Florida and distinguished professor of neurology at Life University in Georgia, said Crosby will make a full recovery and won’t have any long-term issues from the concussion.

“It’s Christmas for Sidney Crosby and the people who care for him,” Carrick said. “It’s Christmas because it’s a celebration. Our greatest direction is to ensure that Sid has a very fruitful and positive life, that he can do anything he wishes to do in hockey and after hockey. … This is going to have a very good outcome. Sid shouldn’t have any problems in the future.”

While there is no timetable for Crosby’s return, there is a “systematic process” regarding his return to play, according to Dr. Collins, who handles 4,000 concussion cases every year.

Crosby will continue his reconditioning, which is pushing himself at different levels of exertion (80 percent for example) and making sure there are no symptoms before progressing to higher exertion. Once Crosby reaches 100 percent exertion without “decrements in functioning,” the doctors will introduce light, moderate contact.

“We will introduce contact in a very careful way and we’re not even close to that right now,” Dr. Collins said. “We need to make sure Sid is able to recondition fully without any return of these symptoms. We’re going to measure him with ImPACT and our testing every step of the way. We’re going to make sure that we do this in a systematic, careful way. When he’s ready, we’ll know.”

Due to long-term health and recovery benefits, Crosby and company stressed that they will not introduce contact until the Penguins captain is at 100 percent.

“I think 90 percent is good, but at the same time if there are symptoms and things aren’t right, 90 percent isn’t really good enough,” Crosby said. “I’m probably putting myself into position to get hit and mess that system up a little bit more. I don’t want to do that. Maybe I could get by with 90 percent, maybe I couldn’t. But I’m not going to roll the dice on that.”

That assessment is shared by the Penguins brass and doctors.

“Outcomes are much better at 100 percent,” Dr. Collins said. “We’re not going to allow Sid to go back at 90 percent. I can guarantee you one thing, that he will be 100 percent normal before he goes back to play.

“I work with a lot of different organizations and a lot of different athletes who have concussions. With the Penguins, I’ve never seen a group of individuals more committed to making sure this is done right. It will be done right.”

“From the team standpoint, the 80, 90 percent we hear about, he will not return to play until he is 100 percent,” Shero said. “Here is a player over my five years who has played less than 80 percent with injuries, as many athletes do. But there is no 90 percent returning from a concussion.

“We’re looking forward to having him back. As I’ve said before, he will be worth the wait. He won’t be rushed. As we sit here today, we are pleased with his progress.”

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=587853

http://video.penguins.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=829&id=122405