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BlitzburghRockCity
08-12-2011, 10:19 PM
Hell why bother putting Mewelde Moore, Jonathan Dwyer, or Antonio Brown back to return kicks anymore. Even Jeff Reed can kick into the end zone now. This new kickoff rule, kicking at the 35, is ridiculous. It was stupid when they passed it and it's even more stupid now.

Nearly every kickoff in the game tonight was deep into the endzone, and some almost split the uprights. What is this, Arena Football?

It's all in the name of player safety they say, but how about taking away a legitimate part of the game. I'm sorry but it's a total bunch of crap! Kickoff returns used to be exciting, now they might as well just take a 2 minute timeout and them the ball at the 20.

RIVERS OF STEEL
08-12-2011, 10:37 PM
Hell why bother putting Mewelde Moore, Jonathan Dwyer, or Antonio Brown back to return kicks anymore. Even Jeff Reed can kick into the end zone now. This new kickoff rule, kicking at the 35, is ridiculous. It was stupid when they passed it and it's even more stupid now.

Nearly every kickoff in the game tonight was deep into the endzone, and some almost split the uprights. What is this, Arena Football?

It's all in the name of player safety they say, but how about taking away a legitimate part of the game. I'm sorry but it's a total bunch of crap! Kickoff returns used to be exciting, now they might as well just take a 2 minute timeout and them the ball at the 20.

Fans around this game for more than a year know this was going to happen. Goodball just put the ball on the 20 for starters and let the teams save some money for a few good Defenders. We need em.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-12-2011, 10:41 PM
Yeah we've known it's coming but it's really hitting home now when you see it happen in a live game. Honestly though, Goodell can't possibly sit back and be proud of himself for taking such an important part of the game away. Oh wait, yeah he can what was I thinking.

The kickoff has officially become the most boring part of football.

steeldoc
08-12-2011, 11:01 PM
Just a dumb dumb rule. I just don't get it.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-12-2011, 11:14 PM
This is going to sink the NFL like a rock in a pond. It's going to be an issue all year long and the competition committee better revisit this stupid rule after the season is over. Absolutely ludicrous to think this is anything but bad. Considering it passed by a vote of 26-6, all we can hope for is that those 6 can influence the rest.

LatrobePA
08-12-2011, 11:18 PM
Someone should tell sushi this...

JShare86
08-13-2011, 12:05 AM
This Is honestly the best rule in the NFL for us considering how Terrible our kick coverage has been and was again tonight

DanRooney
08-13-2011, 12:57 AM
Suisham still can't kick it out of the endzone at the 35. Cost us a 60 yard return.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-13-2011, 09:02 AM
This Is honestly the best rule in the NFL for us considering how Terrible our kick coverage has been and was again tonight

Unfortunate but true for the Steelers, LOL.


Suisham still can't kick it out of the endzone at the 35. Cost us a 60 yard return.

I was wishing for Jeff Reed, oh wait well maybe not quite THAT bad yet. Hell though Reed could have kicked these into the endzone. If the rest of the league is going to kick it into the endzone then the Steelers better find someone who can do that too.

jackhammer1
08-13-2011, 11:23 AM
Sqeezme only got it to the five on one kickoff and I thought the guy was going to run it back the whole way. Maybe kickoffs will still be exciting....for the other team!

Clevelandsux
08-13-2011, 11:33 AM
Only positive thing is maybe we won't get burned on Special teams so much. I agree, more goodell ball. Isn't that why we watch football?

--- Added 8/13/2011 at 10:33 AM ---

Also tired of hearing about Jeff Reed. The guy is gone. He lost it. Couldn't even make an extra point last year. I hear guys telling me, Reed would have made that kick in the sb last year. Ya maybe 3 or 4 years ago. He became a liability. I don't think suisham is the greatest, but Reed was done.

Rampage
08-13-2011, 01:16 PM
This gives me a chance to live my dream of being a kickoff specialist. I could probably pin teams inside the 50 with this rule.

BR7
08-13-2011, 01:19 PM
This gives me a chance to live my dream of being a kickoff specialist. I could probably pin teams inside the 50 with this rule.

:lol:

coldrolled
08-13-2011, 01:46 PM
Start at the 20 and pass away... Its like Arena football on grass. well.. green stuff with no walls..

LatrobePA
08-13-2011, 02:19 PM
Pattycake football....what a joke!

JShare86
08-13-2011, 03:05 PM
Jeff reed is a seahawk by the way

coldrolled
08-13-2011, 08:14 PM
this needs to be removed before the season starts. it is a joke...

BlitzburghRockCity
08-13-2011, 11:09 PM
This gives me a chance to live my dream of being a kickoff specialist. I could probably pin teams inside the 50 with this rule.


the Pittsburgh Power could use a kicker, LOL.

I wonder if the Rooney's were one of the owners that voted against this new rule. I'll have to see if I can dig that up.

To Suisham's credit, his kicks were into the endzone, it's the coverage teams that couldn't tackle. Even the one that was returned out to midfield was booted about 8 yds deep I believe. That's typical though for preseason, special teams are filled with guys trying to make the team and mistakes always happen.

connecticutsteel
08-13-2011, 11:18 PM
swayze waters is the solution he can put it in the stands

Raleigh Steel
08-14-2011, 06:00 AM
not to mention that when a team scores, we'll get to sit through 5 minutes of commercials, come back to action to see a touchback, and sit through another 5 minutes of commercials.

DanRooney
08-14-2011, 09:54 AM
the Pittsburgh Power could use a kicker, LOL.

I wonder if the Rooney's were one of the owners that voted against this new rule. I'll have to see if I can dig that up.

To Suisham's credit, his kicks were into the endzone, it's the coverage teams that couldn't tackle. Even the one that was returned out to midfield was booted about 8 yds deep I believe. That's typical though for preseason, special teams are filled with guys trying to make the team and mistakes always happen.


The fact that his kicks were landing inside the endzone just shows us how weak his leg is. Every other team has guys kicking it past the endzone 9 out of 10 times. Sometimes through the uprights.

BlitzburghRockCity
08-18-2011, 02:26 PM
Antonio Brown has been the star of the preseason, and the second-year wide receiver should get plenty of opportunities Thursday when the Steelers host the Philadelphia Eagles.

The one area in which Brown may not flash much in the Steelers' first game at Heinz Field since January is kickoff returns. The Steelers did not have one return last Friday in their preseason opener — and their first game since kickoffs were moved from the 30- to 35-yard line.

The rule change has altered the dynamic of kick returns — the percentage of touchbacks will increase significantly — and the compromise the NFL has tried to forge between one of the most exciting plays in football and player safety is causing teams to adjust.

Brown, for example, has been green-lighted to return all kickoffs provided he catches them 5 yards or less into the end zone and is moving forward when he fields them.
"I'd rather have the usual way," said Brown, who returned a kickoff for a touchdown in the Steelers' second game of the 2010 season. "It guaranteed me a return every time, but I think it's safer for the players that are being blocked. There will be less injuries and less concussions because that's a long sprint and guys hitting each other."
The rule change, approved by owners, 26-6, in March following a recommendation by the NFL's competition committee, limits players on the kickoff coverage team to a 5-yard running start. Plus, it allows only a two-man wedge on returns.

It has generated the inevitable grousing from pre-eminent return men and teams that lost an advantage when the NFL moved kickoffs to where they had been prior to 1994.
New England coach Bill Belichick said earlier this week that the NFL is trying to eliminate kickoffs from the game — a claim that the league quickly denied.
The NFL appears to be aiming for a cutback on kickoffs, from the 80s percent range to somewhere in the 60s, as part of its player safety initiative.

In the first week of preseason play, according to the NFL, 68.1 percent of kickoffs were returned. In 2010, 81.5 percent of kickoffs were returned in the first slate of preseason games.

"I'm going to support the NFL and its effort to minimize the play," Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said. "Obviously it's a dangerous play."
The rule change has teams pondering different strategies, and it could affect the makeup of 53-man rosters.

The Steelers may be less inclined to keep a player based on his kick coverage skills, especially if they are content to let Shaun Suisham boom kickoffs deep into the end zone.
"To me, if you can put your defense on the field at the 20-yard line, put them on the 20," special teams coordinator Al Everest said. "You wouldn't start getting fancy, pop it up to the 10 and a guy returns and hits a seam goes back for a touchdown when you could have had it deep at the 20. I don't see the trade off."

Everest said the Steelers will take a wait-and-see approach with the new rule. Brown has to hope last Friday's game isn't a preview. The Steelers started on the 20-yard line after all four times the Washington Redskins kicked off.

"I don't hate it, but it's kind of taking a fun part out of the game," Brown said of the new rules. "But it's also an opportunity to make (returns) even longer, just being able to get past that first wave of guys when they come down."

From the Trib (http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/Big%20returns%20at%20risk%20for%20Steelers%20with% 20change%20-%20Pittsburgh%20Tribune-Review%20http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_752117.html#ixzz1VPFbrnsf)

K Train
08-18-2011, 03:23 PM
first they got rid of the wedgebuster (which was awesome) and now kick returners...bleh

BlitzburghRockCity
08-18-2011, 03:51 PM
I hate this rule, imagine how guys like Josh Cribbs feel. He makes his living returning kicks, and punts too. Talk about hampering a big play part of the offense. I mean seriously, this is where the NFL took an epic blunder to monumental proportions.

Unless you are seriously kicking into a hurricane force wind, or your name is Jeff Reed, anybody can kick it into the endzone. It will become a pointless play over time if they don't change it back.

coldrolled
08-18-2011, 07:22 PM
I hate this rule, imagine how guys like Josh Cribbs feel. He makes his living returning kicks, and punts too. Talk about hampering a big play part of the offense. I mean seriously, this is where the NFL took an epic blunder to monumental proportions.

Unless you are seriously kicking into a hurricane force wind, or your name is Jeff Reed, anybody can kick it into the endzone. It will become a pointless play over time if they don't change it back.

they need to change this back before the season starts... this is really stupid.. its like the NFL is playing kick ball.

Thisoneguy555
08-19-2011, 12:13 AM
Did anyone catch the falcons game last week? The special teams coach made sure the kicker would kick it to the corner of the field, right in front of the endzone. This made it possible for a kick return, plus the coverage team kept the dolphins in the 20 on most of the kick offs.

But regardless, every kickoff was useless in the Steelers game today. All it did was make players run down the field for no reason.

Black@Gold Forever32
08-19-2011, 12:25 AM
Not only Cribbs but Devin Hester....My buddy is a diehard Bears fan and he always starts a debate about Devin Hester and his case for the Hall of Fame.....Well no more kick-offs will take dynamic kick returners like Hester out of the game...Of course there is still returns on punts......I bet the NFL thinks about changing the rule again...If the fans complain enough and demand to have the kick off to be part of the game again then the NFL will listen.......

LarryNJ
08-19-2011, 07:11 AM
I agree that they wil change it next year.

I'm not complaining because it's actually a good rule for us. We never had a good return team and our kicker and coverage team just flat out sucked in the past. The value with our defense starting teams back on the 20, far out weighs our offense starting on the 20 instead of the 22 or 23 where they normally did in the past. If not on the 10 because of a penalty. :)

StlersGuy
08-19-2011, 07:18 AM
Watching kickoffs this year is going to be so much fun NOT another wonderful rule that Gordell must have come up with

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steelersbabex25
08-19-2011, 01:25 PM
I honestly don't know how the people making the rules at the NFL can watch this and not think that they should change it back before the season starts. I'm actually surprised they haven't made any kind of statement about it yet.

coldrolled
08-19-2011, 01:38 PM
I honestly don't know how the people making the rules at the NFL can watch this and not think that they should change it back before the season starts. I'm actually surprised they haven't made any kind of statement about it yet.

:plus1::plus1::plus1::plus1:

Players Union is maybe controlling this one???

STEELyourface
08-19-2011, 02:05 PM
The real loser with this rule is us as fans. I don't think it will hurt the Steelers cause we never have been great in kick coverage and our return game was about middle of the league. Considering those facts, it really won't effect us.

There is no chance for it to get changed back this year once it is in place that is the end of the story, but the competition committee reviews all rule changes at the end of the season and evaluates each one. That is where it could be changed back. I don't think it is likely but I do think it is possible. If there is enough criticism from the fans and the media about this it will force them to at least take it into consideration.