View Full Version : NFL owners ratify proposal to end lockout, it's now in the hands of the players
07-21-2011, 07:07 PM
As of just a few minutes ago here this evening, the owners have voted and passed a resolution. Players have yet to vote, but they have scheduled a conference call for 8 p.m. ET Thursday. The word is that the players during their call will begin to go over the agreement but there is not a vote expected from them tonight. They are not happy with the owners "PR move" tonight as they call it. They feel they are being forced into a deal they aren't fully aware of. Further more they are making allegations that the owners "slipped" in additional provisions they were not aware of.
The end of the lockout is in sight now. We expect there to be a press conference or atleast a statement made after that as to the possibility of the players voting to ratify the proposal on their end as well and/or give a timetable as to when more steps might be taken in this process.
07-21-2011, 07:43 PM
End this $hit and let's get back to football.
07-21-2011, 07:45 PM
Hopefully the player are smart enough to take the deal and recertify it is my understanding that vincent jackson and logan fatkins do not like the terms and are holding up the process
07-21-2011, 07:50 PM
come on and end this lockout already. :crossfingers:
07-21-2011, 07:59 PM
NFL Players have voted on Wednesday to push the potential agreement onto the Brady vs. NFL court case. All 3 sides have to sign off before an agreement can be made.
If the players were to agree to the new deal here is a timeline of how things will look.
Team facilities open on Saturday
Teams can beging to sign UDRFA's on Monday
NFL League year begins on Wednesday
Free agency begins on Wednesday
Pre season week 1 august 11-15
Kickoff saints at packers on 9/8.
Most details are still unreleased because the players have not ratified an agreement yet.
07-21-2011, 10:01 PM
According to an email that the NFL Network obtained, the players are very upset at the move of the NFL owners made today by ratifying the new deal. They apparently feel they are trying to be forced into a new deal without ample time to review it. The conference call the players held is over now and as it stands there is no vote. There is no time line right now either according to what is being reported.
07-21-2011, 10:06 PM
The players may very well be upset, but they'll get over it quick and sign.
07-21-2011, 10:21 PM
Listening to Heath Evans right now on NFL Network, he said this was a PR move by the NFL to try and get back some respect of the fans and force the players into a deal. He says he thinks they are close but he said there are a lot of things that the owners slipped in that they voted on that the players did not.
So it appears right now, we may not be as close as we thought we were even a couple hours ago. We have yet to year from the players officially after their call this evening.
07-21-2011, 10:52 PM
This shit is seriously getting old now. :mad:
07-21-2011, 11:18 PM
You can't expect the players to vote yes on something that they don't agree with just for the sake of "let's play football". The owners did that a few years ago and opted out of it because they didn't like it. That's why it is so important for both sides to get it right now, otherwise we will be going through this crap every few years.
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07-21-2011, 11:35 PM
there will be no season folks
07-22-2011, 10:16 AM
Players are expected to vote today, so keep your fingers crossed!
07-22-2011, 10:20 AM
Not looking good at this point...
07-22-2011, 10:30 AM
You can't expect the players to vote yes on something that they don't agree with just for the sake of "let's play football"
You're absolutely right, but that's what the owners are beating on.
RIVERS OF STEEL
07-22-2011, 10:33 AM
"NFL Lockout: The Owners Think Everyone's Stupid, Including You". What we get from a creep like Goodbell.(ding ding). Do you think you (the fan) have an active roll in this? Ans. Yes. Be careful what you wish for.
07-22-2011, 10:51 AM
What confuses me is everyone knew what the deadline was to save the preseason and entire season. The owners agree and meet the deadline, and now the players seem confused, like they weren't even involved in the talks. I understand there are way more players than owners and most weren't involved in the negotiations. But the ones who were involved seemed confused. Did the owners agree to something that was never talked about? I doubt that. Did the owners say that's our final offer we are done negotiating? I guess that's very possible. Did the player reps agree than have a change of heart? That's very possible. I have no idea what's going on here, and we'll probably never know.
RIVERS OF STEEL
07-22-2011, 11:09 AM
What are the fans role... "The fans, who have kept them billionaires and made them millionaires; who are sick and tired of this nonsense. The last thing the fans wanted to hear today is more of the same he-said, he-said. But that's exactly what they got.
The fans have every right to be angry. They weren't the ones dividing up that delicious $9.3 billion pie. They are the ones who are addicted to professional football. They are the ones who frequent the ATMs so they can afford those PSLs, and all that merchandise the league hawks".
Me "one thing is for sure we will pay more for less". IMO.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/don_con_the_fans_txSAAHkEcKJyZ1ZSDok2EI#ixzz1SqZaW QeI
07-22-2011, 11:33 AM
again the deadline was the owners deadline not the players
07-22-2011, 11:43 AM
again the deadline was the owners deadline not the players
All the owners want the same thing, that's not the case for all the players. Those that have no contract need this to end quicker than those that are under contract. If you are a vet who is borderline to make the squad or a young guy who barely made the cut last year it's better if this drags on longer. If there's an abbreviated training camp there's a far less chance that a green rookie is going to take your spot.
07-22-2011, 12:46 PM
Official statement from the players today that they will consider the proposal from the owners today. It is possible, however unlikely, that a vote could come down today to recertify and get the deal done.
ESPN reports that it's more likely to get done this weekend or very early next week.
07-22-2011, 01:22 PM
GOODBYE football the players dropped the ball they knew the time line but chose at the 11th hour not to abide d smith should be fired the best we can hope for now is a partial season cause the players agreed to the terms i belive that they ndid or the owners would not have voted
07-22-2011, 01:57 PM
GOODBYE football the players dropped the ball
I guess it's possible, but I don't think a couple days to take a vote is going to make or break the season.
07-22-2011, 04:19 PM
Here's the latest from NFL.com
NFL Players Association lawyers and officials have had time to begin digesting the league's proposal for a new deal, and several concerns remain regarding language contained in it and matters the players believe are unresolved, according to numerous sources with direct knowledge of the situation.
Conversations with player reps and NFLPA officials revealed no sense that a vote on ratification was imminent, instead indicating that more time will be necessary to reach an agreement on the deal ratified and proposed by owners Thursday.
A deal will be done, and the framework of the CBA is in place, but there can be no global settlement and the start of a league year until more issues are resolved. Predicting that exact time has been impossible throughout the process -- it will get done, but no one can say exactly when yet.
"Player leadership is discussing the most recent written proposal with the NFL, which includes a settlement agreement, deal terms and the right process for addressing recertification," NFLPA president Kevin Mawae said in a statement released Friday morning. "There will not be any further NFLPA statements today out of respect for the Kraft family while they mourn the loss of Myra Kraft."
NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith is spent Friday morning in Boston to attend Kraft's funeral. The wife of New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) owner Robert Kraft passed away Wednesday (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d820ddf15) at age 68 after a long battle with cancer.
There is no player rep conference call set and no vote on ratification expected Friday within the NFLPA; that could change later in the day based on the ongoing discussions between the league and player lawyers, as well as the continued direct dialogue between Smith and commissioner Roger Goodell.
Meanwhile, over 100 team executives and general managers gathered in Atlanta Friday, where they were briefed on the rules for the upcoming league year (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d820e8b52). Officials were advised that team facilities will not be open to players Saturday, as was part of the proposal made to players, according to league sources. If the players were to ratify the proposed deal Friday then facilities would open on Sunday at the earliest, team officials were informed. The process would then move back a day each from there depending on if/when the NFLPA ratifies.
"We were told that the lockout was still in place; that's the way we handle it," Broncos executive vice president of football operations John Elway said. "We're just waiting."
Indeed, the language and league-year dates in the owners' proposal Thursday (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d820e6311) were "contingent upon ratification of the agreement by the players prior to these dates."
The issue of how, and when, the NFLPA would reform as a union -- a necessary step before any player vote can take place -- remains paramount. There is a difference between the players and owners as to how that process would occur. The NFLPA's lawyers and brass believe there are "major problems with the process of reforming the union and settling the lawsuits," as spelled out in the proposal presented by the owners, according to one source.
Complicating matters is the revelation that some players have been referred to an illegitimate website -- nflvr.com -- which is posing as a vehicle to help players to vote to reconstitute a union.
The NFLPA sent a letter to all players and agents Friday advising them to ignore the site and that it is not affiliated with the NFL or NFLPA.
There also remains a significant disconnect between the sides regarding how certain issues would be resolved that can only be formally drawn up once there is a CBA between the sides. These issues include drug policy matters (such as HGH testing), issues of discipline for off-field problems and some matters related to work-place safety.
Several NFLPA reps have advised their teammates that this process could take several days to reach a point where the NFLPA is comfortable agreeing to terms and beginning the recertification process. Again, that could change if major gains are made in these negotiations.
NFL owners overwhelmingly approved a tentative labor agreement Thursday (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d820e3984) that would end the lingering lockout, provided that players re-establish their union and sign off on the proposal. But the players didn't vote, leaving the country's most popular sports league in limbo for at least another day.
At about 7 p.m. ET in Atlanta, NFL owners voted 31-0 -- the Oakland Raiders (http://www.nfl.com/teams/oaklandraiders/profile?team=OAK) abstained -- to OK the labor deal, pending players' approval. Soon after, the league issued a press release announcing: "NFL clubs approved today the terms of a comprehensive settlement of litigation and a new 10-year collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players Association."
Less than an hour later in Washington, NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith sent an email to the 32 player representatives saying: "Issues that need to be collectively bargained remain open; other issues, such as workers' compensation, economic issues and end-of-deal terms, remain unresolved. There is no agreement between the NFL and the players at this time."
NFL Players Association general counsel Richard Berthelsen later detailed issues he had with the owners' proposal (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d820e6ed4) in another email sent to the player reps.
"In addition to depriving the players of the time needed to consider forming a union and making needed changes to the old agreement, this proposed procedure would in my view also violate federal labor laws," Berthelsen wrote.
Then the players held a conference call and decided not to take a vote, saying they hadn't seen the full proposal approved by owners.
Buffalo Bills (http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF) player rep George Wilson told NFL Network that there is "no timeline" for players to vote on the deal, and Cleveland Browns (http://www.nfl.com/teams/clevelandbrowns/profile?team=CLE) wide receiver/kick returner Josh Cribbs (http://www.nfl.com/players/joshcribbs/profile?id=CRI120494) urged fans to be patient.
"We hate that it's being put out there that the lockout is over when the reality is that we've just made significant progress," Cribbs said. "We don't want the fans to look at the players in a negative way, but it's a process."
That process led Goodell to speak on the phone with Smith several times Thursday, including filling him in on the results of the owners' vote before it was announced.
"Hopefully, we can all work quickly, expeditiously, to get this agreement done," Goodell said at a news conference at an Atlanta-area hotel, site of the owners' meeting. "It is time to get back to football. That's what everybody here wants to do."
But several players took to Twitter, expressing opposition to the proposal. Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/pittsburghsteelers/profile?team=PIT) safety Ryan Clark (http://www.nfl.com/players/ryanclark/profile?id=CLA544413) wrote: "The owners want u to believe that they have been extremely fair everywhere and this is their 'olive branch' to finalize it."
Some players claimed that owners snuck some items in the deal, but NFL spokesman Greg Aiello disputed that notion.
"It's really not true," Aiello said in an interview on NFL Network. "Anything that we put in this press release was discussed and negotiated with the players. And now the next step is for them to approve it.
"I'm not sure what it is they didn't know about or are surprised about. But again, there's certain details that the owners just found out today or don't even know yet."
07-22-2011, 05:16 PM
So basically as of now all of the player reps and their legal teams have gone for the weekend. There are no more scheduled talks amongst the players until Monday. It is possible a miracle could happen over the weekend but most likely not till early next week when the players feel like moving forward.
07-22-2011, 05:25 PM
We must have patience folks. It is common sense for the players to want to look everything over before they agree to the cba. This is a 10-year deal with NO opt-out so if I was them I'd want to make damn sure it was a fair deal as well. Give it til Tuesday or so, then we can start the mass panic.
Oh, and we're out of coffee.
07-23-2011, 08:38 PM
Significant progress has been made on Saturday. As of now the plan is for a vote on Monday to recommend recertification as a union. Assuming that happens then players can start reporting on Wednesday to vote to recertify. Assuming that passes then free agency could start on Saturday.
Major breakthroughs in Saturday's discussions between NFL owners and players have set up a timetable for both sides to resolve their 130-day labor dispute, sources said.
Owners tentatively agreed Saturday to a players-recommended plan for the NFL Players Association to bring players into team facilities starting as early as Wednesday to physically vote on whether to recertify the current trade association as a union, a source said. Progress in other talks with the owners has put the players' 11-member executive committee in a position to have a vote Monday to recommend accepting the 10-year collective bargaining agreement.
NFL Labor Talks Update
The NFL's 130-day labor dispute is inching towards a resolution.
A source told ESPN on Saturday that the NFL Players Association's executive committee has plans to vote to recommend the collective bargaining agreement Monday, followed by votes from player representatives and eventually a vote by players to recertify the NFLPA as a union.
The timeline, according to a source:
• Monday: NFLPA's executive committee votes whether to recommend approval of the CBA approved by owners on Thursday. Then, a player rep from each of the 32 teams votes whether to recommend approval of the CBA.
• Wednesday: Players from some teams report to facilities and vote whether to recertify the NFLPA as a union and accept the proposed CBA.
If the NFLPA has gotten the necessary vote, teams can also start contract talks with their own players, including free agents and draft choices.
• Friday: The remaining players report and vote whether to approve recertification and the CBA. If the NFLPA then receives the necessary 50-percent-plus-one-vote majority in approval, then it recertifies as a union.
• Saturday: Free agency starts and teams can officially sign players.
--John Clayton and Chris Mortensen, ESPN
The plan calls for the players' executive committee to meet in Washington, D.C., on Monday, a move that was not communicated to the NFLPA executive committee until Saturday morning in phone calls, according to a high-ranking NFLPA official.
If all agreements have been reached by then, the executive committee is expected to vote to recommend the collective bargaining agreement and recommend recertifying itself as a union, according to the source. Following that, a recommendation has to be made by the 32 player representatives, likely via conference call. As of late Saturday night, no time had been set for that vote, but it is expected to be on Monday after the executive committee votes to recommend approval, according to the high-ranking official.
If the executive committee accepts the new CBA, the source said, players from certain teams would be allowed to report to training camps on Wednesday and players from other teams will be asked to report to training camps Friday. The hope from both sides is there are enough votes to recertify the union by as early as Friday.
For that to happen, a 50-percent-plus-one-vote majority of the players have to accept the NFLPA as its union and accept the terms of a collective bargaining agreement.
The NFL announced Thursday it would open its doors to players under contract two days after the NFLPA executive committee accepts the CBA and settlement terms from existing lawsuits and free agency would start the day after the union is recertified.
Therefore, under this tentative schedule for recertification, the pre-league year buffer period could start Wednesday.
Under that scenario, teams could potentially open contract talks with their unrestricted free agents, restricted free agents and draft choices Wednesday. However, no contracts could be signed until July 30 at the earliest. In that scenario, teams would also be able to renegotiate contracts with players from their own team starting as early as Wednesday.
Upon recertification of the union, free agency could start at 2 p.m. ET on July 30 and rosters would be allowed to expand to 90 players.
It is still uncertain when teams would be able to sign undrafted free agents.
07-23-2011, 08:59 PM
much to my suprise the is going to be a full season the players will vote mon or tue
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