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BlitzburghNation
01-10-2007, 08:48 PM
#1 should be Ray Guy :bigthumb: Best punter in the history of the N.F.L.
#2 Original hog Russ Grimm :clap: :tt02: :crossfingers:
#3 Our last commisioner "His contibute's to the game speaks for itself "
#4 Art Monk Been way overdue and he's a helluva guy
#5 Thurman Thomas Can't believe he's not already there,his holdup has been losing 4 straight superbowls "That's not right"
#6 Really hate to say this guy but he deserves it Michael irvin :cursin:
You can't keep a guy out for what he's done ioff the field "Example" LT
Personally i can't stand the guy,he's an awful commentator and is always sticking his foot in his mouth,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,But all players are judged by what they accomplished on the field
There's my :2cents: worth !

House of Steel
01-10-2007, 08:49 PM
Aren't those Hall of Fame nomiations and not Pro Bowlers? Well they were Pro Bowlers in their respective careers. Michael Irvin can kiss my ***, He doesn't deserve **** to be in the HOF.

BlitzburghNation
01-10-2007, 08:58 PM
I agree,,,,,,i can't stand the idiot,but that doesn't take away what he's done in dall-------***

House of Steel
01-10-2007, 09:20 PM
Who cares, he is a crack whore for all I care. Punk *** bitch doesn't know what he is talking about either on COUNTDOWN. Got fat lips like NFL TODAY'S Shannon "Donkey Lips" Sharp

BlitzburghRockCity
01-10-2007, 09:21 PM
Michael irvin was a crack head, no way that assjack deserves the HOF. Sure he was on a TEAM that won 3 superbowls but it's not like he set all kinds of records or kept that team together when the chips were down. He was one of the chips bringing them down in the first place !

House of Steel
01-10-2007, 09:23 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:

DIESELMAN
01-11-2007, 08:29 AM
The late great Derrick Thomas is on the ballot also. So are Bob Kuechenberg, G, 1970-1984 Dolphins, Bruce Matthews, G/C, 1983-2001 Oilers/Titans and Fred Dean, DE, 1975-1981 Chargers, 1981-1985 49ers.

Friday133
01-11-2007, 10:18 AM
art monk doesn't deserve ****.

House of Steel
01-11-2007, 10:19 AM
Mind explaining why, Einstein?

AZ_Steeler
01-11-2007, 10:23 AM
art monk doesn't deserve ****.

No kidding HOS... Friday Can you please explain????

When Art Monk left the game he was the All-Time leading receiver for receptions and he won a Super Bowl! At the time he left he was the greatest receiver at that time so why doesn't he belong on the HOF?

House of Steel
01-11-2007, 10:31 AM
Art Monk was one of the best wide receiver at that time in NFL History. I loved watching him play. He was a beast on the field racking up numbers like crazy before Jerry Rice ran him over. Monk is so deserving of the HOF!!! A super bowl championship and numerous NFL Records he broken in his time as Chris mentioned. Friday, you are one crazy dude.

TEEMONT
01-11-2007, 01:42 PM
Regular Season stats for Mike Irvin
|Rec|Yards|Avg|TD
1988 Dal|32|654|20.4|5
1989 Dal|26|378|14.5|2
1990 Dal|20|413|20.7|5
1991 Dal|93|1,523|16.4|8
1992 Dal|78|1,396|17.9|7
1993 Dal|88|1,330|15.1|7
1994 Dal|79|1,241|15.7|6
1995 Dal|111|1,603|14.4|10
1996 Dal|64|962|15.0|2
1997 Dal|75|1,180|15.7|9
1998 Dal|74|1,057|14.3|1
1999 Dal|10|167|...16.7|3
Totals|750|11,904|15.9|65

You can def take Irvin off of any list to go into the Hall of Fame. If he makes it then.......

Receiving stats for Hines Ward
Year|Team|G|GS|Rec|Yds|Avg|Lg|TD|20+|40+|1st
1998|Pittsburgh Steelers|16|0|15|246|16.4|45|0|3|1|12
1999|Pittsburgh Steelers|16|14|61|638|10.5|42|7|6|1|31
2000|Pittsburgh Steelers|16|15|48|672|14.0|77|4|8|2|31
2001|Pittsburgh Steelers|16|16|94|1003|10.7|34|4|13|0|52
2002|Pittsburgh Steelers|16|16|112|1329|11.9|72|12|19|2|66
2003|Pittsburgh Steelers|16|16|95|1163|12.2|50|10|18|2|60
2004|Pittsburgh Steelers|16|16|80|1004|12.6|58|4|15|2|52
2005|Pittsburgh Steelers|15|15|69|975|14.1|85|11|10|3|53
2006|Pittsburgh Steelers|14|14|74|975|13.2|70|6|13|2|50
|TOTAL|141|122|648|8005|12.4|85|58|105|15|407


I apologize for how terrible the columns are with HInes' stats but...........Hines is a shoe-in, if he plays his contract out before retiring.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-11-2007, 01:53 PM
Art Monk caught 940 balls for 12,721 yards and caught 68 TD's.

Michael Irvin caught 750 balls for 11,904 yards and caught 65 TD's.

Monk almost caught 200 more passes Irvin. But Irvin almost matched Monk in yardage in TD's with 190 less catches. I think both belong in the Canton. Yes Micheal Irvin is a tool but he was a great WR.

As for Hines Ward he could get close to 75 to 80 TD's if he plays out his contract. I think if he does that to go along with his other stats he will be and deserve to be in Canton.

Steelerlyn
01-11-2007, 04:18 PM
After getting a look at the final 15 I find it reasonable that Dawson was not among the finalists. Having watched him play his entire career, however, I feel that Dawson dominated at that position more so than any other player during that time and he certainly deserves to go in. But this is a strong class. Personally, I don't think ANYONE can make a successful argument against any player on this list--certainly, all of the finalists deserve to get in. My picks for the HOF are: Irvin, Monk, Matthews, Tags, and Thurman Thomas.

Friday133
01-11-2007, 04:25 PM
first of all i don't think its the hall of fame anymore, more like the hall of good. art monk was good, i'm not denying that. however i don't think he's hall of fame material, frankly i don't think lynn swann should be in the hall either.

Steelerlyn
01-11-2007, 04:29 PM
first of all i don't think its the hall of fame anymore, more like the hall of good. art monk was good, i'm not denying that. however i don't think he's hall of fame material, frankly i don't think lynn swann should be in the hall either.

Why? Just curious.

Friday133
01-11-2007, 04:31 PM
Why? Just curious.

why what?

art monk had good stats, but when you look at what he did in his era was he really the best? i think largent and rice were better.

swann didn't play long enough, in fact his stats are nowhere near hall of fame material.

AZ_Steeler
01-11-2007, 04:32 PM
So Friday, you are saying it doesn't matter where an individual ranked among the all times when they retired, it has to do where they are amongst the all times when they are getting voted into the HOF? Because that's what it sounds like to me you are saying :dunno:

Black@Gold Forever32
01-11-2007, 04:37 PM
Ok Lynn Swann showed up in the big games. Look at all the great catches he made in the Super Bowls. Plus maybe you think Swann's stats suffered since the Steelers ran the ball 60 percent of the time in Swann's career. Another factor was Swann played on the same team as another great WR John Stallworth. Maybe Stallworth took catches away from Swann? I think so.

Friday133
01-11-2007, 04:44 PM
swann was good, not great. do you think corey dillon should be in the hall of fame? warrick dunn?

AZ_Steeler
01-11-2007, 04:46 PM
Dillon and Dunn have done nothing, they haven't set any records, they haven't been the MVP of anything they are first or near the top of the ALL-Time Nothing... so No.

Swann recorded four catches for a Super Bowl record 161 yards and a touchdown in SB X, and becoming the first wide receiver to earn Super Bowl MVP honors.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-11-2007, 04:47 PM
Friday you mentioned Swann's stats. I just brought up the fact the Steelers ran the ball 60 percent of the time in the 70's and also had John Stallworth maybe were the reasons why Swann's stats suffered. But look at the Super Bowls when greatness is defined. Its safe to say Swann was great in the Super Bowls.

As for Corey Dillon and Warrick Dunn? They have nothing to do with Swanns stats which you brought up.

Blitzburgh55
01-11-2007, 04:49 PM
Wait did LC Greenwodd ever get i dont think so

Black@Gold Forever32
01-11-2007, 04:50 PM
NO LC hasn't made it yet which is a crime. What about Donnie Shell also? He should be in as well.

AZ_Steeler
01-11-2007, 04:52 PM
no LC is not in the HOF, he was a finalist in 05 and 06 but was not elected.

Steelerlyn
01-11-2007, 04:54 PM
here are Michael Irvin's stats:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/IrviMi00.htm

He certainly did have a colorful career off the field as a known druggie.
But he stepped up on the field when needed, kinda like Swannie

Friday133
01-11-2007, 04:57 PM
dillon and dunn should end their careers in the top 10 in rushing why not hall worthy? i just don't agree with you guys on the hall of fame. no biggie. swann was good, not hall worthy, if he was he would have gotten in on his first try.

Steelerlyn
01-11-2007, 05:00 PM
dillon and dunn should end their careers in the top 10 in rushing why not hall worthy? i just don't agree with you guys on the hall of fame. no biggie. swann was good, not hall worthy, if he was he would have gotten in on his first try.

Did Greenwood ever get in? last I heard he is still not in and was an intregal part of the Steel Curtain, in MHO, he should have been in years ago. Or did he finally get in?:scratch:

AZ_Steeler
01-11-2007, 05:00 PM
dillon and dunn should end their careers in the top 10 in rushing why not hall worthy? i just don't agree with you guys on the hall of fame. no biggie. swann was good, not hall worthy, if he was he would have gotten in on his first try.

Message Boards would be dull if everyone agreed on everything and nobody had a difference of opinion. :bigthumb:

Steelerlyn
01-11-2007, 05:01 PM
Wait did LC Greenwodd ever get i dont think so

OMG I did not see this, I am sorry:) Damnit he should be in, no question!:bigthumb:

AZ_Steeler
01-11-2007, 05:02 PM
Did Greenwood ever get in? last I heard he is still not in and was an intregal part of the Steel Curtain, in MHO, he should have been in years ago. Or did he finally get in?:scratch:

Nope still not in... finalist in 05 and 06 but never made it

Friday133
01-11-2007, 05:03 PM
i don't think greenwood should be in either. i was always of the thinking the hall of fame should be the best of the best. look at this years list, they are not the best of the best IMO.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-11-2007, 05:03 PM
dillon and dunn should end their careers in the top 10 in rushing why not hall worthy? i just don't agree with you guys on the hall of fame. no biggie. swann was good, not hall worthy, if he was he would have gotten in on his first try.

Why is Swann just good and not great? You said his stats. Which I responded the Steelers ran the ball 60 percent of the time in Swann's career. Plus Swann also played on the same team as John Stallworth. Those two reasons were big factors in Swann not having great stats.

But in the big games Swann show cased his greatness. All I'm saying don't use stats as a factor when saying Swann isn't a Hall of Famer when it wasn't his fault he didn't play in a pass offense and also played on the same team with another Hall of Fame WR. I just want to hear another arguement since the stat theory is flawed.

Friday133
01-11-2007, 05:05 PM
Why is Swann just good and not great? You said his stats. Which I responded the Steelers ran the ball 60 percent of the time in Swann's career. Plus Swann also played on the same team as John Stallworth. Those two reasons were big factors in Swann not having great stats.

But in the big games Swann show cased his greatness. All I'm saying don't use stats as a factor when saying Swann isn't a Hall of Famer when it wasn't his fault he didn't play in a pass offense and also played on the same team with another Hall of Fame WR. I just want to hear another arguement since the stat theory is flawed.

your right about the stats being low due to the steelers passing 60% and stallworth was on the team too. i can understand your argument. i just don't think swann had a hall of fame career. again if he did, he would have been voted in on his first try.

AZ_Steeler
01-11-2007, 05:08 PM
dillon and dunn should end their careers in the top 10 in rushing why not hall worthy? i just don't agree with you guys on the hall of fame. no biggie. swann was good, not hall worthy, if he was he would have gotten in on his first try.

Dillon and Dunn should finish in the Top 10 only because those sitting at 6-10, of the All Time Rushing List, (with the exception of Faulk) were NOT privy to play in a 16 game season their entire career like Dillon and Dunn :) so I still say no

Black@Gold Forever32
01-11-2007, 05:09 PM
your right about the stats being low due to the steelers passing 60% and stallworth was on the team too. i can understand your argument. i just don't think swann had a hall of fame career. again if he did, he would have been voted in on his first try.

I respect your opinion and I'm always up for a great debate. I was just wondering why you thought Swannie wasn't a Hall of Famer. I know stats are important but stats don't always tell the whole story. But anways man nice conversation.

Steelerlyn
01-11-2007, 05:10 PM
i don't think greenwood should be in either. i was always of the thinking the hall of fame should be the best of the best. look at this years list, they are not the best of the best IMO.

I would like to hear your opinion (which I respect) as to why LC should NOT be in the HOF. If you are going by the best of the best, who was better than the steel curtain in the 70's and won 4 superbowl trophys? He was a 6 time pro bowler from '73 to '79. I guess what I would like to know is what exactly do you EXPECT from the best of the best and remember I respect your opinion, I do not agree with it at all:)

Black@Gold Forever32
01-11-2007, 05:17 PM
I agree LC should be in also. But wheres the love for Donnie Shell? I think he is worthy of Canton also.

Shell had 51 career INT's which is 3rd alltime in Steelers history.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-11-2007, 05:22 PM
Dermontti Dawson getting snubbed again just flat out stinks ! The guy was the best center in the league, bar none his entire career except for his last year when he tore his hamstring and just never recovered.

House of Steel
01-11-2007, 05:22 PM
Friday, your knowledge of hall of famers and who should be in is totally bizarre. I can't understand you anymore, nonetheless, your arguements are just plain stupid compare to ours.

AZ_Steeler
01-11-2007, 05:24 PM
Friday, your knowledge of hall of famers and who should be in is totally bizarre. I can't understand you anymore, nonetheless, your arguements are just plain stupid compare to ours.

House, everyone is entitled to their opinions and nobodies is stupid :bitchslap: If we all agreed on everything this place would be boring :)

House of Steel
01-11-2007, 05:27 PM
House, everyone is entitled to their opinions and nobodies is stupid :bitchslap: If we all agreed on everything this place would be boring :)


Entitled to their opinions, of course, but sounding like a gibberish fool, HECK NO!!! That is Friday, a gibberish fool to say Art Monk had no business being in the HOF.

Friday133
01-11-2007, 07:12 PM
Friday, your knowledge of hall of famers and who should be in is totally bizarre. I can't understand you anymore, nonetheless, your arguements are just plain stupid compare to ours.

word to the wise my friend, you should never tell anyone on a message board they're stupid or their opinion is stupid . it could come back to bite you in the *** later on.

if a player is worthy of the HOF, wouldn't you think they would be voted in the first chance they get? seriously what changes from year to year? their stats certainly don't. so why didn't art monk get in his first try? i believe while art monk was very good, he wasn't one of the best WR of all time. my opinion. same thing holds true for LC Greenwood and Donnie Shell as well. but what might hurt them more is the fact so many steelers from that era are already in the HOF.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-11-2007, 07:15 PM
I agree that so many Steelers already in from the Steel Curtain era hurt the chances for LC and Donnie.

As what changes through out the years. Well I would say the voters change is one thing. So then opinions would change.

BlitzburghRockCity
01-11-2007, 10:09 PM
The longer we go on, the less and less there will be voters who will remember just how much of an impact players like Shell and Greenwood had, and that's not going to help either.

DIESELMAN
01-11-2007, 10:32 PM
An individual is nominated according to his accomplishments in the NFL. That doesn't always mean going by stats. You've got to figure in how they made their team better and what they did with their talent to make their team(s) succeed. Granted someone has a ton of yards ranked in the top 5 or so but no Championships doesn't mean he wouldn't get in. On the same side someone who is ranked in the top 20 or 30 but 4-5 Championships should he not be considered also?

DIESELMAN
01-11-2007, 10:33 PM
The longer we go on, the less and less there will be voters who will remember just how much of an impact players like Shell and Greenwood had, and that's not going to help either.

To assure that older players will be considered along with the Modern Era players, a Seniors Committee, made up of nine veteran members of the overall Selection Committee, has been established to consider nominees whose active career has been completed by at least 25 years.

Friday133
02-04-2007, 10:08 AM
Wow, here's a shocker, no Art Monk.