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LatrobePA
05-24-2011, 03:54 PM
Something tells me the Steelers Defense was in mind with this one:

Link to Article here (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-owners-approve-new-rules-changes-defensive-players-might-not-like-052411)



Rule changes unanimously approved Tuesday at an NFL owners meeting could have a chilling effect on defensive players.

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The league has further defined what constitutes a “defenseless position” to provide better player protection. There also are further restrictions on the ability to “launch” and level a defenseless player (i.e. leaving both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into an opponent or using any part of the helmet).

Not only will there be a 15-yard unnecessary roughness penalty but the launching defender can be ejected from the game if the action is judged flagrant by the officiating crew.

“There were too many hits that came in the past three years that were legal but not ones that we were comfortable the player who got hit had any opportunity to do anything to protect themselves,” said Atlanta Falcons (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/atlanta-falcons/67038) president Rich McKay, who is head of the NFL’s competition committee.

The league also announced plans for another safety initiative that will result in teams being fined if their players accumulate too many penalties for illegal hits. The NFL already fines teams if too many of their players run into off-field legal trouble under the personal conduct policy.

The exact details of the new “club accountability” guidelines are still being formulated but NFL senior vice president Adolpho Birch expects implementation for the 2011 season (provided it’s played).

“We’re trying to encourage clubs and coaches to teach the proper techniques and correct dangerous play on the field,” Birch said.

The following hits on players in a “defenseless posture” are now illegal:
• A player in the act or just after throwing a pass.
• A receiver attempting to catch a pass or one who has not completed a catch and hasn’t had time to protect himself or hasn’t clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player.
• A runner whose forward progress has been stopped and is already in the grasp of a tackler.
• A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air.
• A player on the ground at the end of a play.
• A kicker/punter during the kick or return.
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession (i.e. turnover).
• A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own end-line and approaches the opponent from behind or the side.

Prohibited contact against a player in a defenseless position was further defined as “forcibly hitting the neck or head area with the helmet, facemask, forearm or shoulder regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him.” It is also illegal to lower the head and make forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.

The latter provision does not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle.

“This will permanently change the mentality, we think, of the defensive back trying to separate the ball in that you’ve got to lower your aim point,” McKay said. “The aim point has got to come into the numbers or below as opposed to above because you have to give that player an opportunity to defend themselves.”

McKay said the “launching” rule likely wouldn’t result in an increase in player ejections and isn’t a point of emphasis for officials who already had the ability to issue disqualifications for hits that clearly cross the line.

“We’ve always said that disqualification has to be open and obvious to you,” McKay said. “It’s hard at full speed to determine that act was so egregious that it deserves a disqualification. When in doubt, always throw the penalty (flag) and defer to the videotape to determine if a suspension or something else is necessary. We’re not changing that standard at all.”

McKay said some of the inspiration to further bar “launching” stemmed from an alarming increase in the tactic at the college level.

“I think we always look at ourselves where we want to set the standards and help people downstream,” McKay said. “We think we needed to make a point. You’re doing it as much to protect the guy getting hit as the guy doing the hitting. We have a couple of plays on videotape where the guy doing the hitting is getting hurt.

“We just don’t like the fact that people have decided they can use their bodies, spring off the ground, lead with their head and expect to have a good result all the time.”
The third approved rule change clarified protection of the quarterback. Hits to the head of a passer by an opponent’s hands, arms or other parts of the body will not be fouls unless they are forcible blows.


“There are a number of plays this past year that many of us weren’t comfortable with (being) fouls,” McKay said. “We think we’ve got good video to show the referee what we want called and don’t want called. We think it will lessen penalties. We don’t think it involves player safety at all because if you do strike the quarterback with any force at all in the helmet, it is a penalty.”


These rule changes were tabled at a March owners meeting because some teams were unhappy with the wording that was presented by the NFL’s competition committee. Teams approved the revamped measures by a 32-0 vote.

bensshoes
05-24-2011, 04:57 PM
Something tells me the Steelers Defense was in mind with this one:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-owners-approve-new-rules-changes-defensive-players-might-not-like-052411

agreed!

BlitzburghRockCity
05-24-2011, 06:14 PM
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession (i.e. turnover).

Once again the league is making sure they take care of their high profile, money guys. If you ask me on a change of possession, everybody is fair game. The Quarterback on the offense who is now trying to make the tackle is now a defender, in my opinion and at that time shouldn't be afforded any more luxuries than anyone else.

Zachintosh66
05-24-2011, 08:27 PM
A player in the act or just after throwing a pass.

So what QB sacks are illegal now...

Phenomenal TJ
05-24-2011, 08:52 PM
Wonder if they're supplying each team with their flags, or if the players have to supply their own.

Speeed
05-24-2011, 09:16 PM
What bothers me about all of this is the officials. They failed to call any penalty whatsoever on many of the hits that were "fined" after the fact. That clearly indicates either the rules were so fuzzy they could not call them or they were afraid to. Either way, it dilutes and lessens the game. What a shame.

I am surprised the referees have not been called to task over these missed calls. With new ones on the way, it is going to get worse.

sigh . . . .

jpele
05-24-2011, 09:29 PM
Thought there already was a sport called " track and field" ?


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connecticutsteel
05-24-2011, 09:59 PM
National fairy league you cant leave your feet thats a bit much you can't touch the kicker or qb between the lockout and this i might not watch anymore this is silly

Callax
05-24-2011, 10:43 PM
Too bad they could not "interpret" that rule when Miller got his lights turned off by the Balt. Felons!!!

SnakeEyes43
05-24-2011, 11:29 PM
Silverback said it best:

“ I'm absolutely sure now after this last rule change that the people making the rules at the NFL are idiots. ”

-- Steelers LB James Harrison on his twitter account

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6583638

igor0190
05-24-2011, 11:45 PM
Nonsense... Another reason to hate the owners AND Roger Goofball. Players and fans sit by and watch the game they love changed for the worse.

I do understand the not hitting the QB on a change of possession... (even though I love seeing it... there really isn't much added to the game for knocking a kicker or qb into outer space). The unfortunate thing is this rule protects mainly pussy *** QB's. If Ben gets laid out trying to make a tackle, you can be sure the league will just say, "the block had to be made because Ben is big and strong".

If either Manning gets blown up, the league will throw the book at the guy who did it.

Real Deal Steel
05-25-2011, 02:47 AM
The league has officially targeted the Pittsburgh Steelers. There is no sense sugar coating it any more.

They are trying to turn football into under water basket weaving. Taking the physicality of the game out. Which is part of the reason we love the game so.

connecticutsteel
05-25-2011, 02:55 AM
These new changes have more gray area than before witch will cause more controversy yet another Steeler inspired rule change first was the Mel Blount rule then the Hines Ward rule now the Harrison series makes me sick

steelersbabex25
05-25-2011, 12:40 PM
The following hits on players in a “defenseless posture” are now illegal:
• A player in the act or just after throwing a pass.
• A receiver attempting to catch a pass or one who has not completed a catch and hasn’t had time to protect himself or hasn’t clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player.
• A runner whose forward progress has been stopped and is already in the grasp of a tackler.
• A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air.
• A player on the ground at the end of a play.
• A kicker/punter during the kick or return.
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession (i.e. turnover).
• A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own end-line and approaches the opponent from behind or the side.


Doesn't this just make you laugh out loud? Kinda sounds like they aren't allowed to hit anyone to me.

Speeed
05-26-2011, 12:02 PM
A quarterback any time after a change of possession (i.e. turnover).

What in Sam Hill . . .

So, a quarterback throws an interception. He is follows up and tries to make a tackle on the intercepting player, no one can block him! Genius!

This is going to slow the game down sooooo much too. Imagine you are a player about to make a tackle or a block, you will have to hesitate to run through all of this crap before you even begin to commit yourself to making the play.

What a sorry state of affairs for the NFL. I wonder what the tone is on the other teams is?

BlitzburghRockCity
05-27-2011, 09:11 AM
I read that list and I still marvel at some of the points they make. I'm surprised the receivers that were on the offense before the turnover aren't off limits either. I mean after all they get paid alot, are high profile, and aren't all that big usually so sure lets make sure we don't let them get hit either.

If I wasn't so dedicated to football and the Steelers I would really be soured towards the NFL these days. I still am don't get me wrong but it would be way worse than it already is.

I just don't understand the logic about football being a physical game but you single out certain players because they are more special than others. That's really what it comes down too.

This rule about not hitting Quarterbacks, you watch this coming year that one is going to be a big issue because defenders are going to instinctively go after the nearest defender on a turnover. Either they aren't going to think about who it is and just hit them and end up with a penalty and fine, or they will be so conscious about trying not to hit something they can't that they will miss tackles.

LarryNJ
05-27-2011, 10:26 AM
Either they aren't going to think about who it is and just hit them and end up with a penalty and fine, or they will be so conscious about trying not to hit something they can't that they will miss tackles.

This is very true, especially with an abbreviated training camp, they won't have any time to practice it.

steelersbabex25
05-27-2011, 02:18 PM
I just don't understand the logic about football being a physical game but you single out certain players because they are more special than others. That's really what it comes down too.

This rule about not hitting Quarterbacks, you watch this coming year that one is going to be a big issue because defenders are going to instinctively go after the nearest defender on a turnover. Either they aren't going to think about who it is and just hit them and end up with a penalty and fine, or they will be so conscious about trying not to hit something they can't that they will miss tackles.

What's more annoying about the rule changes is that this is what the players and the fans sign up for. Since it's existance it has been a physical game. The players (and yes, even the quarterbacks), didn't sign a contract thinking that it was going to be all butterflies and rainbows. Unless they were stupid, they knew that there was a good chance that they would be hurt..unless they were Tom Brady or Peyton Manning who have been protected by the league pretty much since they signed on. The players didn't ask for this, the league just decided that it's what would be best.

Also, even with all these rules written down, I'm still confused by some of them, which probably means that the refs will be too. I'm assuming by "no contact to the quarterbacks after a change of possession" that no defender can even brush against the shoulder of the quarterback? In which case we'll be seeing a lot of penalty flags this season. Woo hoo! That's what I wanna see in football, more explanations of penalties than actual playing time.

andyg1984
05-27-2011, 04:27 PM
what is a little concerning to me is :

"When in doubt, always throw the penalty (flag) and defer to the videotape to determine if a suspension or something else is necessary. We’re not changing that standard at all.”

I am all for protecting QB's from injury - I really am .. but when you start to give some QB's extra yards as a result of admittedly premature judgements which will ultimately impact the probabilty of winning/losing I think that is something the "competition committee" needs to review as well ..

steeldoc
05-28-2011, 08:43 AM
What smokes the players the most is that the league does its business as if all is well, while the players stew without a labor agreement. Is anyone surprised that some players are lashing out. This is just psychology from the league to mess with the players heads.:cursin::cursin::cursin:

RIVERS OF STEEL
05-31-2011, 09:40 PM
This game of NFL football is really trending in the wrong direction. Can't wait til the cash flow starts going south. Then the PC commy i mean commmish and greedy owners might see the folly of their ways. Unfortunately fans, it will take several more years to reach bottom but, reach bottom it will and I damn sure won't be watchin this game at that time. I think you will know that when you see it. Just sayin.

Phenomenal TJ
06-01-2011, 12:47 AM
So, receivers have to make a football move? So...all you've gotta do is throw a jump ball in the endzone and it's either a TD or a flag?

Real Deal Steel
06-01-2011, 02:02 AM
This game of NFL football is really trending in the wrong direction. Can't wait til the cash flow starts going south. Then the PC commy i mean commmish and greedy owners might see the folly of their ways. Unfortunately fans, it will take several more years to reach bottom but, reach bottom it will and I damn sure won't be watchin this game at that time. I think you will know that when you see it. Just sayin.


Exactly. Sometimes, you have to learn to leave well enough alone. And that's the problem with the NFL big wigs. They keep messing with the game and they are sissifying the game. If you take the physicality away from football, you take a way the very essence of the game away. The game has a warrior/gladiator aspect to it that is so attractive to the men who watch it.

steelersbabex25
06-01-2011, 02:14 AM
So, receivers have to make a football move? So...all you've gotta do is throw a jump ball in the endzone and it's either a TD or a flag?

Don't forget there won't be any pick 6s or kickoff returns for touchdowns anymore! This is the kind of football that I've been waiting for. [/end sarcasm].

Phenomenal TJ
06-01-2011, 02:26 AM
I know it's so exciting!

steelersbabex25
06-01-2011, 03:02 AM
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