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K Train
03-31-2011, 11:04 AM
Realistically i do not think we have a shot at Mike Pouncey who remains on top of my wish list, but heres what i think is 1) Likely to play out 2)amazing if it played out tied together

1) Cameron Heyward DE OSU
With such a deep DE class, espeically for 5 techs i think we have a legit shot at him at 31 and at 31 it would be a STEAL

2) Curtis Brown CB Texas
I do think that he is the best CB on the texas roster and will instantly sure up the secondary. Ike, Butler, Brown, and gay is a SOLID group of corners imo (i love butler, i dont care if theres any weight to my statement yet...there will be)

3) Lance Kendricks TE
I hate spaeth and i think he should leave, Kendricks is a pass catching TE and i think the steelers are heavily interested in him, could be a dynamic addition to the passing game.

4) Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
Lived in the shadow of the pounceys at florida, but is a fine prospect in his own right. will be better than starks imo (former gator who went in the 3rd)

5) Noel Devine RB WVU
Love me some noel devine. He bulked up impressively between the senior bowl (a dismal 165) and now hes over 180. He has elite vision, speed and strength, honestly pound for pound one of the strongest humans on the planet....the bench and squat he can throw up at his size shames all of the lineman at wvu. Hes a hell of a 3rd down back, and CAN run in between the tackles. He also has some unreal potential as a return man. Get mewelde off the roster in favor of noel.

6) DeAndre Brown WR Southern Miss
Hes my this years Mike Williams (we see how that worked out, i had mike williams mocked to us in the 5th in every mock i had last year) He would be a much better prospect if he wasnt labeled with these karakter konserns. big target, i think will make a team very happy.

7) Josh Bynes MLB Auburn
Bynes is a thumper as a MLB, hes pretty slow but makes up for it with very good instincts, could contribute as a backup and ST.

Other options that the steelers might look into include alex henery K nebraska, Rashad Carmichael CB VT, i think theres a considerable amount of interest in both of those prospects. Carmichael in the 3rd/4th, and Henery in the 6th

andyg1984
03-31-2011, 11:19 AM
that would be an epic draft .. i'd love to see spaeth and mewelde replaced ..

-if heyward does fall to us, how much would his injury play into him being at 31?
-have you seen any of taiwan jones? he might be becoming over-hyped, but he has some serious speed ..
-i almost feel like we are coming out of this draft with at least 1 OLB ..

cmerrifield
03-31-2011, 11:27 AM
Even if that were our first 3 rounds, it would be an epic draft. Although, I think last years draft was pretty special. I would love to see this draft. It would make me very happy. However, I hope they do look at Nebraska's K. I wouldnt mind spending the 7th on him.

K Train
03-31-2011, 11:30 AM
Heywards injury doesnt bother me. He is a boss 5 tech and will have plenty of time to recover....smith and keisel are still the starters, and evander and eason have a healthy rotation going.

if we take an OLB im like greg romeus in the 3rd....i think hed make for a good coversion guy. In all honesty henery would be the more likely pick in the 6th, but id love deandre brown....he would make it now or never for sweed

JollyRob68
03-31-2011, 04:01 PM
I'd be Very Happy with that Draft. I dont know if Gilbert makes it to the 4th rd or Kendricks late 3 but I want them.
Someone mocked 1 Curtis Brown 2 Gilbert 3 Kelvin Shepard 4 Pettis 5 Cortez Allen. I like this also.

K Train
03-31-2011, 05:52 PM
brown and gilbert would be reaches at 1 and 2 but i wouldnt hate it...both are gonna be fine players

Phenomenal TJ
03-31-2011, 06:04 PM
Heyward lightweight reminds me of Gholston.

K Train
03-31-2011, 06:38 PM
gholston and heyward have quite literally nothing in common besides skin color and school. gholston was an incredible athlete, pound for pound a brilliant specimen. he was an OLB conversion guy at 260ish, maybe a little more.

cam is 6-5 295 and a perfect 5tech prospect. never quits (something gholston was notorious for) and sheds blocks like hes covered in butter.

i just dont get how a pass rushing "athlete" OLB prospect compares to a run stuffing 34DE with NFL bloodlines.

heyward is better today that hood will be tomorrow

Rampage
03-31-2011, 07:17 PM
I would be happy with Heyward and I think he'll be available at 31. I would still prefer a corner, but it keeps sounding like the true first round talent will be gone by 31.

SteelerDave74
04-02-2011, 12:34 AM
nice job, K Train. :D

JollyRob68
04-03-2011, 03:30 AM
brown and gilbert would be reaches at 1 and 2 but i wouldnt hate it...both are gonna be fine players

I think Brown is the speed cover corner with great leaping ability & hands. Gilbert would have great chemistry with Pouncey and I liked him.

coach
04-03-2011, 03:38 PM
I like it, but I am going to hold out hope that some teams in front of us reach and a quality player falls into our lap.
Mock drafts are like noses; everyone has one. Some of the weirdest things I have seen is Pouncey going to St. Louis in second. I saw one where Wilkerson fell to us. I saw another one where Heyward was snatched before 31.

BPA on D line, O line or CB could play out to be Heyward.


DB
I saw Chimdi Chekwa play a bit and he always seemed to be around the ball. He seems to be rated about the same as Burton or Brown. Anyone able to compare these guys and have a preference. I haven't seen too many folks in here mention his name.

BlitzburghRockCity
04-03-2011, 06:58 PM
Great stuff Ktrain, I love your mocks. I featured it on the blog and will put it up on the HP tonight.

DIESELMAN
04-04-2011, 05:56 AM
Nice KTrain!! Love the Gilbert pick!!


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connecticutsteel
04-04-2011, 01:43 PM
THE LAST POSITION I WOULD WASTE A PICK ON IS RB IF YOUR LINE IS GOOD ANYONE CAN RUSH FOR 1000+ BARRY FOSTER IS THE EXAMPLE SHOOT IF WE HAD THE THE LINE WITH FANECA AND COMPANY MENDENHALL WOULD HAVE HIT 2000 THIS SEASON ITS ABOUT THE LINE NOT THE BACK

--- Added 4/4/2011 at 11:43 AM ---

otherwise a solid mock ktrain better than mine

K Train
04-04-2011, 01:44 PM
moore is over the hill, dwyer is a ??? and redman is unspectacular.

noel devine would be a third down back and a return specialist with electric capabilities and someone i would be comfortable with sharing carries if mendenhall was out for an extended time.

RB is a bigger need than you might think....dwyer is key in this convesation

Black@Gold Forever32
04-04-2011, 03:51 PM
Realistically i do not think we have a shot at Mike Pouncey who remains on top of my wish list, but heres what i think is 1) Likely to play out 2)amazing if it played out tied together

1) Cameron Heyward DE OSU
With such a deep DE class, espeically for 5 techs i think we have a legit shot at him at 31 and at 31 it would be a STEAL

2) Curtis Brown CB Texas
I do think that he is the best CB on the texas roster and will instantly sure up the secondary. Ike, Butler, Brown, and gay is a SOLID group of corners imo (i love butler, i dont care if theres any weight to my statement yet...there will be)

3) Lance Kendricks TE
I hate spaeth and i think he should leave, Kendricks is a pass catching TE and i think the steelers are heavily interested in him, could be a dynamic addition to the passing game.

4) Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
Lived in the shadow of the pounceys at florida, but is a fine prospect in his own right. will be better than starks imo (former gator who went in the 3rd)

5) Noel Devine RB WVU
Love me some noel devine. He bulked up impressively between the senior bowl (a dismal 165) and now hes over 180. He has elite vision, speed and strength, honestly pound for pound one of the strongest humans on the planet....the bench and squat he can throw up at his size shames all of the lineman at wvu. Hes a hell of a 3rd down back, and CAN run in between the tackles. He also has some unreal potential as a return man. Get mewelde off the roster in favor of noel.

6) DeAndre Brown WR Southern Miss
Hes my this years Mike Williams (we see how that worked out, i had mike williams mocked to us in the 5th in every mock i had last year) He would be a much better prospect if he wasnt labeled with these karakter konserns. big target, i think will make a team very happy.

7) Josh Bynes MLB Auburn
Bynes is a thumper as a MLB, hes pretty slow but makes up for it with very good instincts, could contribute as a backup and ST.

Other options that the steelers might look into include alex henery K nebraska, Rashad Carmichael CB VT, i think theres a considerable amount of interest in both of those prospects. Carmichael in the 3rd/4th, and Henery in the 6th

Probably no scrapped that this mock is the best Steelers mock that I have seen......Really can't argue with any of the picks or players......I said back in Feb. that Brown was the best corner coming out of Texas......Nice to see somebody else agree with me......:yellowthumb:

DanRooney
04-04-2011, 05:39 PM
Redman is a workhorse. He needs more carries. Practically every time he's touched the ball he's been running over 2-3 guys. I don't see how you think he's 'unspectacular.'

Dwyer is key but he isn't going to see the field with Mewelde Moore on the roster. There's no room to be keeping that many RBs so unless Moore is gone, we're not drafting another one.

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I'm not for drafting another DE in the first round. He'll be rotting on the bench for a long time imho. Keisel still has 3 years left in him after the season he had and Tomlin is set on Ziggy being the long term replacement on Smith.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Brandon Harris/Jimmy Smith and Ras-I (trade up in the 2nd, because he'll be gone way before 63) combo in the first and second round ala Timmons and Woodley. Possibily later converting one to safety down the road.

cmerrifield
04-04-2011, 05:49 PM
--- Added 4/4/2011 at 03:39 PM ---

I'm not for drafting another DE in the first round. He'll be rotting on the bench for a long time imho. Keisel still has 3 years left in him after the season he had and Tomlin is set on Ziggy being the long term replacement on Smith.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Brandon Harris/Jimmy Smith and Ras-I (trade up in the 2nd, because he'll be gone way before 63) combo in the first and second round ala Timmons and Woodley. Possibily later converting one to safety down the road.


Eason played over 500 snaps this last season averaging 26 snaps a game, I dont think that's really rotting on the bench.

K Train
04-04-2011, 05:52 PM
Redman is a workhorse. He needs more carries. Practically every time he's touched the ball he's been running over 2-3 guys. I don't see how you think he's 'unspectacular.'

Dwyer is key but he isn't going to see the field with Mewelde Moore on the roster. There's no room to be keeping that many RBs so unless Moore is gone, we're not drafting another one.

--- Added 4/4/2011 at 03:39 PM ---

I'm not for drafting another DE in the first round. He'll be rotting on the bench for a long time imho. Keisel still has 3 years left in him after the season he had and Tomlin is set on Ziggy being the long term replacement on Smith.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Brandon Harris/Jimmy Smith and Ras-I (trade up in the 2nd, because he'll be gone way before 63) combo in the first and second round ala Timmons and Woodley. Possibily later converting one to safety down the road.
with smiths arms in shambles, keisel having weak calves, and the continual need for a fresh rotaion on the dline playing a scheme that takes ends multiple years to master i cant think of an argument for not taking heyward if hes there....it would be like passing on a richard seymour, you dont see these type of players come around every day.

Heyward is a better 5 tech today than hood will be tomorrow even if hood plays as good as he did the last 5 games of the year. Hes perfectly built for the LDE spot in our defense and hood is MUCH more adept to playing on the right where keisel plays because they can generate more pressure without blowing their assignment and getting raped (as we saw hood do so much last year)

Id be down for a timmons/woodley like scenerio drafting aaron williams and curtis brown/ras-i

i like brandon harris, hes a baller but im not sure hes a good fit. and i dont think the steelers would make a move for jimmy smith at this point, i wouldnt be surprised if he was removed from their board completely.

redman is an ok option for short yardage and passes out of the flats....i really dont see him bulldozing everything in sight like some people claim....he can rumble but hes not exactly a world beater

coldrolled
04-04-2011, 06:39 PM
doest heyward already have tendons stitched to his bones...

not sure thats a good start...

aaron and curtis is good.

andyg1984
04-04-2011, 08:28 PM
i'd say it looks like a good year to trade down or trade our 1st for a 1st next year and change ...

players who make sense to me between 40 and 70 .. Ras-I, Greg L, Jarvis Jenkins, Rahim Moore ..

i am expecting some debate on the last two names .. for jenkins, he is solid and has been noticed .. we cant get him much later ..

as for rahim, the talk of him being soft is sooo overblown ..i saw him make plenty of good tackles this year .. the comparisons to last years guys (ET, Berry) are not fair - they were once in while guys ...he is a center-fielder type who always seems to know where the ball is .. super hard worker and smart too ..

tburg68
04-04-2011, 08:29 PM
In the 3-4 defense, the DL is the key to letting the LB's wreak havoc. Heyward would be a great pick.

Today's NFL dictates having two play makers at RB. Moore should be gone, Redman is nothing more than situational, and Dwyer is a huge question. Devine would be a great pickup in the right round.

mos07
04-04-2011, 11:16 PM
K-Train > Mel Kiper + Todd McShay...............nicely done!

DanRooney
04-05-2011, 12:42 AM
Guys like McFadden, Gay, Spaeth, Battle, Randle El and Eason need to be packing there bags. We're not going to have much room at all for anyone in this years draft if we continue having these players who have no upside taking spots. You're just going to have a repeat of last year when we pretty much gave away our 4th round pick for nothing.

andyg1984
04-05-2011, 12:58 AM
my favorite to replace spaeth is rob housler ... 4th or move up in 5th ..

K Train
04-05-2011, 10:35 AM
i'd say it looks like a good year to trade down or trade our 1st for a 1st next year and change ...

players who make sense to me between 40 and 70 .. Ras-I, Greg L, Jarvis Jenkins, Rahim Moore ..

i am expecting some debate on the last two names .. for jenkins, he is solid and has been noticed .. we cant get him much later ..

as for rahim, the talk of him being soft is sooo overblown ..i saw him make plenty of good tackles this year .. the comparisons to last years guys (ET, Berry) are not fair - they were once in while guys ...he is a center-fielder type who always seems to know where the ball is .. super hard worker and smart too ..
Love me some jarvis jenkins...2nd or 3rd round guy imo, has some serious 5 tech potential and could even play nose.

moore i like, but i like him as more of a CB. Hes got a nose for the ball and awesome ball skills but he gets raped in the run game and not because hes "soft" but hes certainly not a guy you want as a last resort against steven jackson, especially with troy probably torpedoing himself out of the play already. If we want a centerfielder i want a guy like quinton carter, a guy that can lay the boom but has the closing speed to help troy..hes more of a CB/FS tweener, i like moore as a coverage CB.

I dont think hes soft, but i didnt really think reggie nelson was soft either and thats the kind of player moore COULD end up in the mold of if hes forced to play FS in the traditional sense.

Guys like McFadden, Gay, Spaeth, Battle, Randle El and Eason need to be packing there bags. We're not going to have much room at all for anyone in this years draft if we continue having these players who have no upside taking spots. You're just going to have a repeat of last year when we pretty much gave away our 4th round pick for nothing.

agreed. i think eason and mcfadden can stay though for at least one more year

andyg1984
04-05-2011, 11:40 AM
i cant use guys like steven jackson as reason to avoid moore .. i would rather cite all the average WR's who have embarassed Clark as a reason to scoop him ..

anyhow, the trend is up tho on moore's game vs the run.. he looked much better as a tackler last season than in '09 (although there was "much left to be desired" to begin with) ..

but, im super-curious to know what you think about rob housler? this guy is the real deal and probably has the highest potential out of any TE in this class .. not a blocker, but the guy can outrun safeties and is all types of 6'5 250 ..

K Train
04-05-2011, 11:49 AM
hes such a project....i really think lance kendricks is a steeler when draft time rolls around and i would honestly love the pick. i would actually really like rudolph in the second as well.

theres alot of guys like housler that can be had as UDFAs and rarely can stick to a roster....potential is certainly there but you see players in that mold every year, meanwhile kendricks imo profiles as a starter potential pro bowler

andyg1984
04-05-2011, 02:16 PM
dude, no way is housler just another in and out TE prospect .. sure, there is the small-school argument and the whole blocking thing, but his ability to stretch a defense is ridiculous .. he is a serious athlete/football player ..

K Train
04-05-2011, 02:20 PM
not arguing that, im saying its tough for guys like him to stick on a roster sometimes

BlitzburghRockCity
04-05-2011, 09:28 PM
We will be talking about Ktrains mock on the Blitzburgh Radio Podcast tonight!

steelcityrockers
04-05-2011, 10:25 PM
Hey K-Train, in what ways do you see Curtis Brown superior to Aaron Brown? jw

K Train
04-06-2011, 10:39 AM
Superior might be strong, they are very different. Hes very flexible and plays man and zone very well. Hes a freakishly good athlete for his size and showed very fluid hips and the ability to run fast and still have very good agility and quickness. This shows me he can hang with bigger WRs and still keep up with smaller ones. Hes got a pretty good resume against guys like dez and crabtree, overall the much smoother athlete of the two.

Williams timed faster, but plays much stiffer...both guys have good insticts and ball skills and can hit/tackle pretty good but if i had to put money on it id say in 3 years brown is a starting CB in the league and williams is a starting FS

SteelDad
04-06-2011, 12:22 PM
We will be talking about Ktrains mock on the Blitzburgh Radio Podcast tonight!

No doubt! BRC and I are looking for some royalty checks for mentioning Ktrain so much last night!:lol:

BlitzburghRockCity
04-08-2011, 08:29 PM
BTW, I submitted your mock to Ed Bouchette of the Post Gazette. He's been tweeting and blogging about getting mock drafts from the Steeler Nation.

JollyRob68
04-10-2011, 03:24 PM
Superior might be strong, they are very different. Hes very flexible and plays man and zone very well. Hes a freakishly good athlete for his size and showed very fluid hips and the ability to run fast and still have very good agility and quickness. This shows me he can hang with bigger WRs and still keep up with smaller ones. Hes got a pretty good resume against guys like dez and crabtree, overall the much smoother athlete of the two.

Williams timed faster, but plays much stiffer...both guys have good insticts and ball skills and can hit/tackle pretty good but if i had to put money on it id say in 3 years brown is a starting CB in the league and williams is a starting FS

Is there anyway to get both?

BlitzburghRockCity
04-11-2011, 04:46 PM
I submitted your mock to Ed Bouchette, he posted it up today on his blog..

http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/109227-ed-2-more-steelers-mock-drafts-from-members

K Train
04-11-2011, 04:52 PM
nice...working on version 2.0 for sometime this week, then my actual full mock too

K Train
04-13-2011, 12:08 PM
Check out this weeks podcast, guest starring yours truly.

http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/showthread.php?p=418929#post418929

working on an updated steeler mock and a full 2-3 round one should be done some time this week

K Train
04-29-2011, 11:17 PM
Realistically i do not think we have a shot at Mike Pouncey who remains on top of my wish list, but heres what i think is 1) Likely to play out 2)amazing if it played out tied together

1) Cameron Heyward DE OSU
With such a deep DE class, espeically for 5 techs i think we have a legit shot at him at 31 and at 31 it would be a STEAL

2) Curtis Brown CB Texas
I do think that he is the best CB on the texas roster and will instantly sure up the secondary. Ike, Butler, Brown, and gay is a SOLID group of corners imo (i love butler, i dont care if theres any weight to my statement yet...there will be)

3) Lance Kendricks TE
I hate spaeth and i think he should leave, Kendricks is a pass catching TE and i think the steelers are heavily interested in him, could be a dynamic addition to the passing game.

4) Marcus Gilbert OT Florida
Lived in the shadow of the pounceys at florida, but is a fine prospect in his own right. will be better than starks imo (former gator who went in the 3rd)

5) Noel Devine RB WVU
Love me some noel devine. He bulked up impressively between the senior bowl (a dismal 165) and now hes over 180. He has elite vision, speed and strength, honestly pound for pound one of the strongest humans on the planet....the bench and squat he can throw up at his size shames all of the lineman at wvu. Hes a hell of a 3rd down back, and CAN run in between the tackles. He also has some unreal potential as a return man. Get mewelde off the roster in favor of noel.

6) DeAndre Brown WR Southern Miss
Hes my this years Mike Williams (we see how that worked out, i had mike williams mocked to us in the 5th in every mock i had last year) He would be a much better prospect if he wasnt labeled with these karakter konserns. big target, i think will make a team very happy.

7) Josh Bynes MLB Auburn
Bynes is a thumper as a MLB, hes pretty slow but makes up for it with very good instincts, could contribute as a backup and ST.

Other options that the steelers might look into include alex henery K nebraska, Rashad Carmichael CB VT, i think theres a considerable amount of interest in both of those prospects. Carmichael in the 3rd/4th, and Henery in the 6th
if ed bouchette needs an intern im available

connecticutsteel
04-29-2011, 11:52 PM
gholston and heyward have quite literally nothing in common besides skin color and school. gholston was an incredible athlete, pound for pound a brilliant specimen. he was an OLB conversion guy at 260ish, maybe a little more.

cam is 6-5 295 and a perfect 5tech prospect. never quits (something gholston was notorious for) and sheds blocks like hes covered in butter.

i just dont get how a pass rushing "athlete" OLB prospect compares to a run stuffing 34DE with NFL bloodlines.

heyward is better today that hood will be tomorrow

gholston is crap heyward is a stud hood is a better pass rusher than heyward

Farrior Fan
04-30-2011, 12:17 AM
I'm starting to wonder if Ed should be YOUR intern

connecticutsteel
04-30-2011, 12:31 AM
i think we should take todman he was productive in college almost always falls forward and isnt afraid of contact only needs a small seam to break one very durable

JollyRob68
04-30-2011, 01:18 AM
if ed bouchette needs an intern im available

Throw in DJ Williams in the 4th and you'll hit your first 4 positions in a different order but Hot Damn YOUR THE MAN.
I'm beyond JOLLY with these first 3 picks.

All 3 were draft visits or Pro days seen by Mike T, Kevin C & Dick L.
This makes me wonder if in rd 4, 5 & 6 the picks might be Draft Visits
Taiwan Jones or Da'rel Scott RB, Denarius Moore WR, Cortez Allen or Buster Skrine CB
Marcus Cannon(4th) or Keith Williams & Jarriel King( 5 or 6) Mario Harvey(draft Visit) or Casey Mathews(pro day, Bloodlines).
7th rd Frank Kearse,Anthony Gray or Zach Clayton NT, Davon Morgan or Dom DiCiccos Safety Pitt
DARK HORSE Greg Romeus or trade up for Sam Acho.( pro day)

LarryNJ
04-30-2011, 06:56 AM
I'm starting to wonder if Ed should be YOUR intern

:plus1:

Great job!

andyg1984
04-30-2011, 09:43 AM
if ed bouchette ever needs a replacement im better

fixed that for you - you da man ..

what is crazy is that Bynes and Devine are still on the radar too ..