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jpele
03-09-2011, 10:02 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers president and co-owner Art Rooney is expected to join NFL representatives as meetings with the NFL Players Association continue today at the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Services in Washington.

Link (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/early-lead/2011/03/pittsburgh_steelers_owner_art.html)

Maybe we'll get some positive movement .

cmerrifield
03-09-2011, 10:08 PM
Most owners agree it was Dan Rooney that got them past the impasse the last two times, hopefully like Father like Son

BlitzburghRockCity
03-10-2011, 09:50 AM
The Rooney's have always been a voice of reason and one of the most, if not the most respected owner in the NFL. When they speak, people listen. This is crunch time now, tomorrow is the deadline. There is still a lot to talk about but atleast they are still talking.

LatrobePA
03-10-2011, 09:55 AM
It's about time, tell them who you are!!

andyg1984
03-10-2011, 11:21 AM
bfd if demaurice smith acts like a worthless piece of socialist union garbage, which he is

DIESELMAN
03-10-2011, 12:31 PM
bfd if demaurice smith acts like a worthless piece of socialist union garbage, which he is

Why do say that?

The owners need to get their **** together and vote for another extension. They DO NOT want this to go to litigation. They are not united and don't have any faith in Goodell. The NFLPA on the other hand has grown stronger over the past few years. So much so, that they have complete faith and trust in Smith and how he is handling the CBA negotiations.


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SteelDad
03-10-2011, 03:12 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest andyg is not a union guy.....

I think having Art II there is a good thing especially with 'the worst SB host in history' making an appearance as well.

andyg1984
03-10-2011, 04:07 PM
Why do say that?

The owners need to get their **** together and vote for another extension. They DO NOT want this to go to litigation. They are not united and don't have any faith in Goodell. The NFLPA on the other hand has grown stronger over the past few years. So much so, that they have complete faith and trust in Smith and how he is handling the CBA negotiations.


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the players act like they need to organize as if they are being exploited .. these guys need to realize who takes the real risk and where they would be without football .. i hope the owners yank the health benefits so these guys cant pay for their baby mommas and MCL's ...

jpele
03-10-2011, 04:20 PM
who takes the real risk and where they would be without football

The same place the owners would be without players. What risk ? The NFL is as close as you can get to guaranteed profit, there are between 5 and 7 teams that are losing money and that has nothing to do with players.

Show me one example where a player is the reason that a franchise lost money,location and mismanagement are the sole reason these teams lose money.

andyg1984
03-10-2011, 04:54 PM
that is complete BS .. owners are the ones who put the $ up .. they are already rich - they dont need players and could live off treasury bills if they wanted to lol ...

bad players cannot impact financials ? def not true ..

jpele
03-10-2011, 10:42 PM
that is complete BS .. owners are the ones who put the $ up .. they are already rich - they dont need players and could live off treasury bills if they wanted to lol ...

bad players cannot impact financials ? def not true ..

You're typing meaningless words.

1. Where's the risk these owners are taking ? Give an example.

2. Name me the player or players that caused an NFL team to lose money.

You want to talk risk, there are 22 players on the field that are risking disabling injury on every snap of the football.

Without the players there is no NFL or NFL owners.

andyg1984
03-11-2011, 01:21 AM
You're typing meaningless words.

1. Where's the risk these owners are taking ? Give an example.

2. Name me the player or players that caused an NFL team to lose money.

You want to talk risk, there are 22 players on the field that are risking disabling injury on every snap of the football.

Without the players there is no NFL or NFL owners.

Hey, the owners have taken many steps to protect QB's and WR's .. i mean players .. lol ..

but they are supposed to be profitable, something should be very "profitable" if you are looking at that large of an investment .. the fact that 5-7 of them are doing it to themselves is one question, but the others could be more profitable - they are supposed to be filthy rich ..

Are we talking about the same specific thing here? The players got a good deal last go-round and now they want even more.

Players in the league who command inflated union-influenced salaries and perform even average can hurt a team ..the owners should not have to deal with a union in the first place like this .. the players are their employees... not business partners ..

the players need to realize what the union is putting them at risk for... the owners are still rich without them ..

Black@Gold Forever32
03-11-2011, 03:39 AM
Really somebody sticking up for the owners....I love the socialist angle to...lol what a joke....Yea lets all support dirt bags like Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, Robert Kraft.........

I don't support the owners on this and its the owners fault if a lockout happens.......Fans tune in each Sunday to watch the players not the owners......**** the owners and their greed.....Really I could careless if there is a lock out or not....I can find plenty of other things to do on my Sundays.......

cmerrifield
03-11-2011, 06:12 AM
I was for the owners until I found out the players were willing to take a 800 million dollar pay cut or 25 mill a team and the owners laughed at them. Now I realize it is just the greedy owners' fault if there is a lockout. That is why if there is a lockout, I will be done with football for a while. I will do all I can to make sure the owners loose money and dont try this crap again.

DIESELMAN
03-11-2011, 06:51 AM
The players got a good deal last go-round and now they want even more.

Players in the league who command inflated union-influenced salaries and perform even average can hurt a team ..the owners should not have to deal with a union in the first place like this .. the players are their employees... not business partners ..

the players need to realize what the union is putting them at risk for... the owners are still rich without them ..

Its NOT the players who want more, its the owners. Its the owners who opted out of the CBA, NOT the players. Its the owners who want another 1 billion off the top of the 9 billion dollar mega pie, not the players. BUT since the owners so conveniently opted out, yeah, the players want concessions, and its not more money. The NFLPA has been the union for the NFL players since 1956, long before the NFL became this juggernaut of wealth and power.

JensK
03-11-2011, 07:16 AM
Really somebody sticking up for the owners....I love the socialist angle to...lol what a joke....Yea lets all support dirt bags like Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, Robert Kraft.........

I don't support the owners on this and its the owners fault if a lockout happens.......Fans tune in each Sunday to watch the players not the owners......**** the owners and their greed.....Really I could careless if there is a lock out or not....I can find plenty of other things to do on my Sundays.......

it is not exactly socialism to stick up for the rich :grin1:

I still believe the owners are in trouble. They are the ones who are going to loose tremendous amounts of money if they don't get a new deal. Its them who have the money invested, not the players.

Blazedby92
03-11-2011, 08:00 AM
Hey AndyG if they have a lockout maybe they will take some scrubs to keep their precious money coming in and since you think the players get paid too much anyways you will play for cheap right oh and without health and other benefits.

Put yourself in their shoes don't hate on people because they have a union to protect them.

cmerrifield
03-11-2011, 08:28 AM
Hey AndyG if they have a lockout maybe they will take some scrubs to keep their precious money coming in and since you think the players get paid too much anyways you will play for cheap right oh and without health and other benefits.


Hines Ward was complaining about no health benefits. He made 5 million last year, I think they are kind of whiny about that. They could just be better money managers and save for illness. I am not saying they dont deserve it, but lets be honest. There is a difference between a single mom making 10 bucks an hour and no health benefits and Ward who makes 5 mil a year. In fact, I saw a tweet from Dave Ramsey that said 95% or so of all NFL players are either in bankruptcy or financial trouble two years after their last contract. So, they dont have a reputation for handling money well.

andyg1984
03-11-2011, 10:28 AM
disclaimer to all : i was ****-tanked last night and am extremely biased against unions .. i think i went off-track there to say the least .. don't really rmbr typing that last one lol

diesel, yes, it is the owners who opted out .. but the players got too good of a deal last time ..

bgf32, like it or not demaurice smith has socialist tendencies - listen to his speeches... and what are you doing on sundays that is better than watching the steelers? lol

blazed92, im not calling for the "replacements" and am not really sure where the remainder of that statement is derived from.. what has a union ever done to get you, as a consumer, something faster, cheaper or in larger proportion ? the answer is nothing and if anything these guys are just giving unions a worse name than they already deservedly have ..

hit 'n run
03-11-2011, 10:50 PM
disclaimer to all : i was ****-tanked last night and am extremely biased against unions ..

...what has a union ever done to get you, as a consumer, something faster, cheaper or in larger proportion ? the answer is nothing and if anything these guys are just giving unions a worse name than they already deservedly have ..

Gee, well, thanks to union organizing in the early Twentieth Century, the concept of a forty hour work week became reality for many; enforcement of child labor laws began; the concept of a minimum wage was eventually introduced...

Oh yeah - and after the Triangle Shirtwaist fire in March, 1911 down in Greenwich Village, an outraged public finally noticed that safety in the work place is a good idea...
...After more than 100 employees perished in that fire, most of them young women, teenagers, and some children.

In case you haven't noticed, what we have in America now is Capitalism for the tax-paying working and middle classes, and SOCIALISM for the RICH.

-> Pay attention!

andyg1984
03-12-2011, 03:23 PM
we are talking about the NFLPA in 2011 - they no longer serve their original purpose just as all other unions fail in the same regard ..

but tbh i messed up and gave my political opinion on steeleraddicts which is a party foul .. if we wanna talk about that stuff we should do it on cnn or something .. my bad for starting this ..

coldrolled
03-12-2011, 08:14 PM
we are talking about the NFLPA in 2011 - they no longer serve their original purpose just as all other unions fail in the same regard ..

but tbh i messed up and gave my political opinion on steeleraddicts which is a party foul .. if we wanna talk about that stuff we should do it on cnn or something .. my bad for starting this ..

Its OK. We can handle it...

hit 'n run
03-13-2011, 11:26 AM
we are talking about the NFLPA in 2011 - they no longer serve their original purpose just as all other unions fail in the same regard ..

but tbh i messed up and gave my political opinion on steeleraddicts which is a party foul .. if we wanna talk about that stuff we should do it on cnn or something .. my bad for starting this ..

Once again, andyg1984, your post indicates you have missed the point.

-> The present is the result of the past.
You had asked what unions have ever done - EVER - to benefit anyone. So I answered your stupefying question by identifying only a few of these benefits.

And now you've issued your edict that it's wrong to discuss things "political" in this forum.

But hey - guess what?
-> The subject of unions, most especially and particularly the NFLPA in 2011, is inherently political and relevant.

Why? Because the core purpose for ANY employees' union is FAIR COMMERCE and FAIR BUSINESS PRACTICES = Economics.

With 9 BILLION dollars $$$ at the foundation of the NFLPA's challenge to the League, this discussion is, in fact, appropriate.
Whether that matches your opinion or not.

P.S.
No one is objecting to your voiced disdain for unions' and your sweeping generalization that "they no longer serve their original purpose." -> ????
Because you say so?
You base that observation on "evidence" you choose not to share.
(thanks for sparing us)
But I bet, if you are employed in a full-time job, that you enjoy paid vacation days, paid sick days, a forty hour work week, paid overtime, and fire escapes in your office/place of employment. Maybe even a health care plan.
-> For ALL of these, you can thank the courageous union movement of a hundred years ago.

andyg1984
03-13-2011, 06:44 PM
lol, the funny part is how much thought you put into that.. again, if you want to tell me something modern unions do that is helpful for consumers, do it somewhere else ...also, it would be a little helpful if you sound a little less like a freshman in college..

airbrake 1
03-13-2011, 06:59 PM
lol, the funny part is how much thought you put into that.. again, if you want to tell me something modern unions do that is helpful for consumers, do it somewhere else ...also, it would be a little helpful if you sound a little less like a freshman in college..

amen...it's really beautiful to watch the dying gasps of organized labor...unions look at businesses and local ,state and the federal goverments as bottomless pits of cash...it's really nice to see business and goverments(like in wisconsin ) finally stand up to these thugs and start twisting back on that strong arm they have used for years...the tax payers are not a bottomless pit of money and it's time we stood up and fought back...these fools aren't going to go away quietly though we should be prepared for blood, they aren't going to let their cozy existances go away without a fight...perhaps someday in america we will have a true meritocracy and america can get back to work competing against the world or we will be left in these other country's dust

Deviouz1
03-14-2011, 11:06 AM
lol, the funny part is how much thought you put into that.. again, if you want to tell me something modern unions do that is helpful for consumers, do it somewhere else ...also, it would be a little helpful if you sound a little less like a freshman in college..

wow. i havent seen a backpedal/sidestep like that for some time. you DID after all ask


what has a union ever done

well, you got your answer but now you've changed your tune. that sort of thing never fails to amuse me.

regardless, unions have pretty much outlived their usefulness. in the early days unions were a good thing. they fought for and won concessions that we take for granted every day. the problem is that they succumbed to the same thing that they were fighting against in the beginning. namely greed. unfortunately they became just as bad as the greedy bitches they were opposed to.

but somebody had to do something at some point.

i will give you one thing though, this probably isnt the best place to discuss this sort of thing, neither politics or religion are subjects that lend themselves to peaceful discussion. maybe over in the Line of Scrimmage but even then i think its a little too touchy a subject.

but if you really are interested in discussing such things www.thirdrailforum.com is a great place for that. cnn.com sucks. its full of Nazi mods and unrealistic rules about things like cursing and respecting things and people that dont actually deserve that respect. if you truly have conviction in your beliefs and think you can reasonably defend them, give it a try. but be warned, its not your typical kiddie gloves type of place.

:)

hit 'n run
03-14-2011, 12:06 PM
lol, the funny part is how much thought you put into that.. again, if you want to tell me something modern unions do that is helpful for consumers, do it somewhere else ...also, it would be a little helpful if you sound a little less like a freshman in college..

Nice try, andyg1984.
Well, not so nice, actually. But at least it's your attempt, however invalid and emotional.

This post of yours is readily understandable as a juvenile effort to salvage a measure of dignity - after being bludgeoned by facts.
(Look up the definition of "fact". I spelled it for you, to help you locate it in the dictionary. You're welcome, btw)

Armed with zero "evidence" to support your emotional and sweeping generalization about unions, you attempt to dilute my statements (all based on facts) by instructing me to prove something??? And "somewhere else", no less???
-> Why are you running from this forum?
Why not here?
You introduced your sloppy and emotional opinions right here.

I'm not the one with the burden of proof here, andyg1984.
-> You are.

As Lambert might say: Rub some dirt on your wounds, and GET UP.
P.S.
What an emotional fellow you are, andyg1984. There is, in fact, another realm (other than elemental, childish emotions) to operate in:
It's the realm of facts and present reality. But this realm does demand a
mastery of the capability to think.
P.P.S.
As for your remark about "thought" - I strongly urge you to learn how to think.

andyg1984
03-14-2011, 12:53 PM
do you want me to send you a Microeconomics 101 textbook to understand the shortcomings of modern labor unions?

i guess they probably don't hand those out at Liberal U along with a lesson how to maximize the number of ideas for a given amount words ..

Black@Gold Forever32
03-14-2011, 01:40 PM
Political talk really shouldn't be going here period so lets try to leave the conversation to the lock out........But some of you I know that is to hard for you to do......

--- Added 3/14/2011 at 11:40 AM ---

Lets see yesterday was Sunday and I had a full day........Played in a Texas Hold'em Tourney at my local casino.......Checked on my friends dogs since they're away for a few days........Spent time with another friend.....Plenty of things to do on Sundays even without the NFL.....My life doesn't revolve around a sports league or team.....lol So I can my NFL Sundays just fine if the lock out wipes out the season......

hit 'n run
03-14-2011, 01:58 PM
do you want me to send you a Microeconomics 101 textbook to understand the shortcomings of modern labor unions?

i guess they probably don't hand those out at Liberal U along with a lesson how to maximize the number of ideas for a given amount words ..

You're out of your league, andyg1984.
Unfortunately, you don't have what it takes to just admit it.

Or maybe you've lost your white flag...

No more time for you - you're dismissed!

Deviouz1
03-14-2011, 01:59 PM
do you want me to send you a Microeconomics 101 textbook to understand the shortcomings of modern labor unions?

i guess they probably don't hand those out at Liberal U along with a lesson how to maximize the number of ideas for a given amount words ..

somehow i just knew it. lol. and "Liberal U"? seriously? that would pretty much cover every higher learning institute in the nation if not the world. with the possible exception of relatively minor religious colleges.

one thing i always find amusing is how the VAST majority of universities are populated and run by liberals. it always seems like if there is a uni in a town its most likely going to be a liberal town and if the town has more than one uni in it it tends to be overwhelmingly liberal. its as if the more educated you are the more liberal you are. interesting isnt it?

make any inferences you would like regarding that statement.

as for the original topic, i used to truly detest "ochocinco".

but i just read a quote of his that seriously warmed me up to him.


Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chad Ochocinco was treating more than 100 fans to dinner at a Miami seafood restaurant when the decertification news broke. The veteran said he doesn't side with the players or the owners, just the fans who want to enjoy the game.

"I don't have time to be arguing. With the owners and us as millionaires, there shouldn't even be an argument," Ochocinco told WSVN-TV. "It disgusts me, it's really an unfortunate situation. But it is what it is. I am on the fans' side. I want football, but to be focused on an argument over revenue is silly. We got people out here struggling, and there's no reason a deal shouldn't have gotten done."

i hate him quite a bit less now. if only more of the people involved in this cluster@#$% had that attitude.

airbrake 1
03-14-2011, 06:30 PM
i believe there is a name for these fools like this that still attempt to try to justify the usefulness of unions and communism...i believe they are called useful idiots...there were a bunch of packers fans camped out at the state legislature in madison that would qualify as useful idiots

Deviouz1
03-14-2011, 06:41 PM
who exactly is championing unions? all i see are a couple of folks who know enough to recognize that unions have played an important part in our history. and communism? where the hell did THAT come from?

have you been smoking paint chips? :thinking:

airbrake 1
03-14-2011, 07:14 PM
maybe over in the Line of Scrimmage but even then i think its a little too touchy a subject.

who exactly is championing unions? all i see are a couple of folks who know enough to recognize that unions have played an important part in our history. and communism? where the hell did THAT come from?

have you been smoking paint chips?
if you are unable to tell who the folks are that are championing unions you are blind

the philosophies of unions and communism are nearly identical, it hard to talk about one without bringing up the other

as far as too touchy goes...thats the problem today everyone is afraid to hurt someones fellings with the truth...well it's time to stop sugar coating tough issues... decisions need to be made in america today no matter whose little house of cards gets toppled or america will look like an old west ghost town while the rest of the world sails on with the USA a distant memory
if thats the world you want, keep looking through your rose colored glasses, i guess ignorance must be bliss

andyg1984
03-14-2011, 09:25 PM
You're out of your league, andyg1984.
Unfortunately, you don't have what it takes to just admit it.

Or maybe you've lost your white flag...

No more time for you - you're dismissed!

dont you understand the consumer welfare that is lost due to unions? it is called microeconomics and im gonna guess you have not studied that?

btw..im sorry for the things that have happened in your life to make you act like this but we try and not talk to each other like that on this site .. but if you wanna go there we can because i see right through you and i am not impressed or intimidated at all

--- Added 3/14/2011 at 07:25 PM ---


somehow i just knew it. lol. and "Liberal U"? seriously? that would pretty much cover every higher learning institute in the nation if not the world. with the possible exception of relatively minor religious colleges.

one thing i always find amusing is how the VAST majority of universities are populated and run by liberals. it always seems like if there is a uni in a town its most likely going to be a liberal town and if the town has more than one uni in it it tends to be overwhelmingly liberal. its as if the more educated you are the more liberal you are. interesting isnt it?

make any inferences you would like regarding that statement.

as for the original topic, i used to truly detest "ochocinco".

but i just read a quote of his that seriously warmed me up to him.



i hate him quite a bit less now. if only more of the people involved in this cluster@#$% had that attitude.

i think the more book-smart you are and less exposure to real-life decision making you have there is an increased likelihood of being liberal .. making resource decisions with your or other peoples $ may lead you to be more on the other side imo

Deviouz1
03-15-2011, 01:24 AM
as far as too touchy goes...thats the problem today everyone is afraid to hurt someones fellings with the truth...well it's time to stop sugar coating tough issues... decisions need to be made in america today no matter whose little house of cards gets toppled or america will look like an old west ghost town while the rest of the world sails on with the USA a distant memory
if thats the world you want, keep looking through your rose colored glasses, i guess ignorance must be bliss

ROFL the only reason i said that is because of the... somewhat restrictive rules of the forum. i am MORE than happy to get down and dirty and i have the proverbial skin of a rhinocerous. by all means let it all out, nothing you can say is going to hurt -my- feelings, thats for damn sure lol. im from the underbelly of the internet, a gutter-punk if you will, and ive been forum warrioring for the last ... 11-12 years or so. trust me, youre not going to throw anything at me that i havent seen before.


if you are unable to tell who the folks are that are championing unions you are blind

the philosophies of unions and communism are nearly identical, it hard to talk about one without bringing up the other

thats... not entirely accurate. while some parallels can be drawn, to say theyre nearly identical is a bit over the top and to say its hard to talk about one and not the other is just plain wrong. there are too many different types of each to make that kind of generalized, sweeping statement. next thing youll say is that communism and socialism are one and the same.

i ask you, is that -really- a road you want to take? because ill be very happy to take that particular trip. ;)


i think the more book-smart you are and less exposure to real-life decision making you have there is an increased likelihood of being liberal .. making resource decisions with your or other peoples $ may lead you to be more on the other side imo

well, youre certainly entitled to your opinion arent you? personally, id rather someone with a MBA straight out of college take care of my money than some podunk redneck that cant keep his wallet in his pants.

but one thing to point out is that its very possible to be fiscally conservative AND socially liberal at the same time. lumping all liberals in the same boat is just as ignorant as lumping all conservatives in the same boat.

but thats just my opinion.

airbrake 1
03-15-2011, 06:56 AM
ROFL the only reason i said that is because of the... somewhat restrictive rules of the forum. i am MORE than happy to get down and dirty and i have the proverbial skin of a rhinocerous. by all means let it all out, nothing you can say is going to hurt -my- feelings, thats for damn sure lol. im from the underbelly of the internet, a gutter-punk if you will, and ive been forum warrioring for the last ... 11-12 years or so. trust me, youre not going to throw anything at me that i havent seen before.

seriously any high school debate team member with an IQ over 75 could shoot your specious arguments down...even someone from the horror shop of intellect that is the pittsburgh public schools

it is really unbelievable that there are still some people that think socialism or communism or fascism or what ever system of authority will work if the right people are in place to run it.... complete freedom is the only thing that works...and that includes the right to FAIL

DIESELMAN
03-15-2011, 09:01 AM
Alright guys.....enough of this "debate", get this thread back on track. Political views, opinions and arguments can be done in the Line of Scrimmage.


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Scorp
03-16-2011, 12:09 AM
www.steelers.com

The Steelers' President talks about the NFL labor situation.
Steelers President Art Rooney II is a member of the 10-man management council executive committee and was in Washington, D.C., last week as part of the ownership group negotiating with the NFLPA. Those negotiations broke down on March 11.

Q. What were your feelings coming out of the mediation session on Friday, March 11, after talks broke down between the NFL and the NFLPA?

A. I was certainly disappointed that we didn’t get a deal done, and I was even more disappointed that we never got into any real bargaining. The players never really moved off their position, and looking back at the whole mediation, while there may have been a couple of points where there was progress, overall we really never made any progress. In my mind, they never really used the process to get a deal done.

Q. What was it like in the room where the mediation session was being conducted?

A. It was frustrating. There was a lot of down time, a lot of time in separate rooms. Last Friday – March 4 – when we did the extension for one week, I felt like we may have a chance to get something done. So when I went to Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, March 9, I went down there with the idea that we were going to work hard and see if we could get something done. But we made very little progress, in fact there was very little bargaining that really even took place.

Q. What was the atmosphere in the room? You mentioned there was a lot of down time, but did it ever get heated, with finger-pointing, maybe even some raised voices?

A. It was emotional. There wasn’t a lot of yelling and finger-pointing, but there was some. More than anything, it was frustrating in that there just wasn’t a lot of movement. There just didn’t seem to be a lot of interest on their side in getting something done and we just came away from it with the impression that this was their plan all along – to decertify and take this thing into the courts.

Q. What is your reaction to the move to decertify?

A. They’ve been planning this for a long time apparently. At this point it certainly seems like that has been their Plan A, and we’ve filed a petition with the National Labor Relations Board where we ask the Board to review the decertification because we think it’s a sham. We don’t think that’s the way collective bargaining should be done. They’ve done this – decertification – once before, and they came back and became a union again. We just don’t think it’s a legitimate bargaining tactic, and we think the NLRB will find in our favor.

Q. One of the key points the NFLPA kept bringing up throughout the process was transparency. What is your response to the union’s demand for the financial disclosure it said it was seeking?

A. That was one of the strange things in the negotiations, because the previous week when that subject came up, we said – after a long time of not being willing to provide anything and really feeling like it was one of those things that wasn’t going to lead to anything – then we felt like, OK, maybe if we agree to give them something and try to provide them some insight into what has happened to the teams, maybe that would lead to a breakthrough. So we offered to provide them some financial information through an auditor, we offered to go through a third party and have a third party look at the information. It was a very strange reaction. They didn’t take the information, after asking for it. They said it wasn’t good enough. I don’t even know how you can make that judgment without accepting what was offered. Certainly we would not have been surprised if they came back after they had seen it and had questions. But they never even looked at it. To me, that was a little bit of a tip-off as to where they were really headed with this thing.

Q. Do you think the union was surprised that the owners said yes to that request for financial disclosure?

A. Maybe. Maybe they thought we would never offer anything, but it was a very strange reaction on their part to not even accept what we offered.

Q. Did you expect that mediation would continue after the owners submitted their offer on Friday, March 11?

A. Yes. We felt like we had provided a framework to continue bargaining. We felt it was a very fair offer. We offered to meet them halfway in terms of their core financial demands, and we were prepared to structure the agreement to provide that the veteran players would not take a pay cut, which they’ve talked about a lot. And we offered to take the 18-game season off the table for now, and that it would be something we would re-visit in two years, and then it would have to be agreed to by both sides. That 18-game season seemed to be one of the biggest issues, as far as we knew, that the players were concerned about. So taking that off the table, we felt, was a major move on our part. But it really got zero reaction. Again, they seemed to not really want to continue negotiations, and rather to get into their litigation strategy.

Q. Just to be clear, in talking about the 18 games, when you said the issue would be re-visited in two years and the union would have to approve it, the union could simply say no and that would be the end of it?

A. That’s right. And under the current agreement, the one that just expired, we had the right to change the season without the players’ approval. This we felt was a major concession, a major step toward their side in terms of trying to address something that they had expressed a lot of concern about. Again, for them to not even really respond to that was very disappointing.

Q. All of the representatives of the NFL who spoke on Friday after talks broke off – Commissioner Roger Goodell, John Mara, Jerry Richardson, Jeff Pash – said that the way to get a deal done is to get back to the negotiating table. How do you get back there?

A. We certainly agree that this will eventually get done at the negotiating table. That’s what it’s going to take. How long it will take for us to get back there, I don’t know. It’s probably going to take a little while now. Again, they’ve chosen to pursue this and take this into the court system, and that may take a while. But we feel there will be another opportunity, and I know the league and the owners are prepared to go back to the table as soon as possible.

Q. You said it might take a while to get back to the negotiating table. So what happens next?

A. They decertified and filed a suit in District Court in Minnesota on Friday, March 11, and we expect there will be some kind of hearing and ruling on that within the next week. Then we’ll just have to react to that. Whatever the ruling is that comes down from the judge, we’ll have to decide whether to appeal it or whether it’s in our favor. We’ll have to see.

Q. What would you like to say to Steelers fans?

A. I think I have to ask for their patience at this point. This is a process, and we’re certainly hoping to avoid going into a lengthy process, but that’s where we are. I hope our fans understand that we’re committed to trying to negotiate a fair agreement that works for everybody. I think the offer we put on the table during the mediation reflects that. Again, I have to ask for their patience, but we think we’ll get this worked out at the bargaining table eventually. In the meantime, our scouts and our coaches will continue working hard on the draft and doing everything we can to prepare for next season as best we can under the circumstances.

bensshoes
03-16-2011, 06:24 PM
thats not the complete answers I heard him give, first of all what trhe league offered was not financial disclosure it was two numbers a high and low for each of the last five years, the NFLPA has been asking for this disclosure for 2 years, second and most disturbing was his answer to the 18 game question and that was that some of the owners think this would be the easiest way too make back the missing profits, his answer says that the owners aren't on the same page and so they can't possibly negotiate with the players as they can't even agree themselves, on a personal note I'll quite the NFL if they go to an 18 game season, I'D like too see it go back too a 14 game regular season.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-16-2011, 06:27 PM
Even though I've been on the side of the players since the get go, you have to respect what Rooney is saying. I would have to believe he would not purposefully try and screw over the players but he also has his limits as to what info he's willing to provide and how much he's willing to bend.

bensshoes
03-17-2011, 03:36 PM
Even though I've been on the side of the players since the get go, you have to respect what Rooney is saying. I would have to believe he would not purposefully try and screw over the players but he also has his limits as to what info he's willing to provide and how much he's willing to bend.

true, but the players have said that team names need not be attached and as far as Mr. Rooney and what he said he didn't say these were his personal beliefs, he was speaking as part of a collective as the owners are a barganing group.