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BlitzburghRockCity
02-10-2011, 11:09 AM
With the CBA at the forefront of all NFL talk right now, this seemed like a good time to make an official thread so we can all stay on top of what's going on.

A second day of negotiations in Washington between the NFL and NFL Players Association has been canceled, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
The sides, working to reach agreement on a new collective bargaining agreement by March 3, when the current CBA expires, canceled Thursday's planned talks after an extended session Wednesday.

The sides met Saturday in Dallas, and future talks are planned. Such setbacks are not out of the norm, but hopes of building momentum through multiple sessions this week will not be met.
Neither side would comment on what was discussed or how fruitful the talks were in Wednesday's session.


NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Sunday morning that this past weekend's bargaining session (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d81e289f3) with the players' union in Dallas was "beneficial."
In an interview with "Fox News Sunday" that aired the morning of Super Bowl XLV, Goodell called drug testing a key issue in labor talks.
Goodell said "a number of" individual players and owners participated in a two-hour meeting Saturday, the first formal bargaining session since Nov. 22.
"It's always a positive when both parties are talking," Goodell said.
Outlining major sticking points, Goodell talked about revenue division, rookie salaries and benefits for retired players.
"We want to continue on with the integrity of the game, which is my No. 1 issue," Goodell said, adding the league wants to make sure "we have the best drug program in sports."


The NFL and NFL Players Association issued a joint statement following Saturday's session at a Dallas hotel.


"The NFL and NFL Players Association met for two hours today in a continuing effort to narrow the differences and reach a fair agreement that will benefit the players, teams and fans," the statement read. "We plan to increase the number, length and intensity of bargaining sessions so that we can reach agreement before the (March 3) expiration of the current CBA."
The union has said it expects owners to lock out players if a new CBA isn't reached by the deadline.
Among the major issues are how to divide about $9 billion in annual revenues; the owners' push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games; a rookie wage scale; and benefits for retired players.
The league estimates there would be a cut in gross revenues of $120 million without a new agreement by early March; $350 million if there's no CBA by August, before the preseason starts; $1 billion if no new contract is in place until September. And if regular-season games are lost, the NFL figures the revenue losses would amount to about $400 million per week.


The old deal was agreed to in 2006 and could have been in place until 2012, but owners exercised an opt-out clause in 2008.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e3b1a2/article/nfl-union-meet-in-dc-cancel-thursdays-bargaining-session?module=HP_headlines

BlitzburghRockCity
02-12-2011, 09:44 AM
Adam Schefter Tweeted last night sighting a source deep inside the NFL that " These CBA talks don't have a chance, the owners don't want to barter. Go away for a month and come back, you won't miss anything"



Not a good sign :(

Nolrog
02-12-2011, 01:25 PM
This is idiots like Jerry Jones trying to slaughter the goose that laid the golden egg, just because he doesn't want to share. Very stupid of the owners.

Steelersfan
02-15-2011, 07:39 AM
This is going to get ugly. I don't see any chance of a season with the way things are going.


WASHINGTON -- The NFL filed an unfair labor practice charge against its players' union with the National Labor Relations Board on Monday.
The league's filing says the union "consistently has failed to confer in good faith" during negotiations for a new contract and the union's "conduct amounts to surface bargaining and an anticipatory refusal to bargain."
A statement e-mailed to The Associated Press by union spokesman George Atallah says the NFL's "claim has absolutely no merit."
The NLRB is a federal agency that enforces the nation's labor laws and referees labor-management disputes.
The current collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of the day March 3. The NFL Players Association has said it expects the owners to lock out players; the NFL's filing with the NLRB says that the union wants to "run out the clock" and, essentially, avoid reaching a new CBA so it can decertify and file an antitrust lawsuit.
Players already have voted, team by team, to authorize decertifying their union if a new CBA isn't reached by the deadline.
The NFLPA already decertified in 1989, then returned as a union in 1993, when a contract was reached with the league that provided for free agency. That landmark CBA was renewed or restructured several times since 1993, including in 2006. The owners opted out of that most recent deal in 2008.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6121861

jpele
02-15-2011, 07:48 AM
NFL files unfair labor charge against union


WASHINGTON -- The NFL filed an unfair labor practice charge against its players' union with the National Labor Relations Board on Monday.

The league's filing says the union "consistently has failed to confer in good faith" during negotiations for a new contract and the union's "conduct amounts to surface bargaining and an anticipatory refusal to bargain."

A statement e-mailed to The Associated Press by union spokesman George Atallah says the NFL's "claim has absolutely no merit."

The NLRB is a federal agency that enforces the nation's labor laws and referees labor-management disputes.

The current collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of the day March 3. The NFL Players Association has said it expects the owners to lock out players; the NFL's filing with the NLRB says that the union wants to "run out the clock" and, essentially, avoid reaching a new CBA so it can decertify and file an antitrust lawsuit.

Players already have voted, team-by-team, to authorize decertifying their union if a new CBA isn't reached by the deadline.

The NFLPA already decertified in 1989, then returned as a union in 1993, when a contract was reached with the league that provided for free agency. That landmark CBA was renewed or restructured several times since 1993, including in 2006. The owners opted out of that most recent deal in 2008.

Under the heading "Basis of the Charge," the NFL says in yesterday's filing with the NLRB that during current negotiations, the union delayed the scheduling of bargaining sessions; failed to "respond in a timely and/or meaningful manner" to owners' contract proposals; and insisted on "disclosure of financial data to which the NFLPA has no legal right and then suspending negotiations unless and until such data is produced."

The league's filing also accuses the NFLPA of "engaging in other actions demonstrating that the union has approached these negotiations with no intent to reach agreement through good faith collective bargaining."

Atallah's e-mailed statement said: "The players didn't walk out and the players can't lock out. Players want a fair, new and long-term deal. We have offered proposals and solutions on every issue the owners have raised."

The biggest issue separating the sides is how to divide about $9 billion in annual revenues; under the old deal, the owners receive $1 billion off the top, and they want to increase that to $2 billion before players get their share.

Among the other significant points in negotiations: the owners' push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games; a rookie wage scale; and benefits for retired players.

Read more: NFL files unfair labor charge against union - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_722930.html#ixzz1E20COAke

BlitzburghRockCity
02-15-2011, 09:06 AM
NFL Notebook: Owners will gather on final day of CBA
Tuesday, February 15, 2011
The Associated Press
NFL owners will meet March 3, the final day of the current collective bargaining agreement.
It is possible the owners will call for a lockout of the players if negotiations with the union are not progressing sufficiently.
All 32 owners are expected to be at the meeting in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., that follows two days of committee meetings that were previously scheduled.
NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith repeatedly has said he expects a lockout. Talks broke down last week in Washington.
The owners opted out of the CBA in 2008.
Also, the NFL filed an unfair labor practice charge against the union with the National Labor Relations Board.
The league's filing says the union "consistently has failed to confer in good faith" during negotiations for a new contract and the union's "conduct amounts to surface bargaining and an anticipatory refusal to bargain."
Union spokesman George Atallah said the NFL's "claim has absolutely no merit."
The NLRB is a federal agency that enforces the nation's labor laws and referees labor-management disputes.
The NFL's filing with the NLRB says that the union wants to "run out the clock" and, essentially, avoid reaching a new CBA so it can decertify and file an antitrust lawsuit.
Players already have voted, team by team, to authorize decertifying their union if a new CBA isn't reached by the deadline.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11046/1125485-66.stm#ixzz1E2JmSh8X

BlitzburghRockCity
02-16-2011, 08:12 AM
On the Steelers: CBA negotiations play major role
Wednesday, February 16, 2011
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Peter Diana/Post-Gazette
The Steelers could place a franchise tag on linebacker LaMarr Woodley.


The Steelers apparently are standing pat for the most part and will not push to sign any of their top potential free agents before their contracts with the team expire with the end of the NFL's calendar year March 3.

Of the 15 players who could become unrestricted free agents under the old rules of a collective bargaining agreement set to expire at midnight March 3, only one could be found who has had any type of talks about a new contract. That includes their top three free agents to be -- linebacker LaMarr Woodley, cornerback Ike Taylor and offensive tackle Willie Colon.

They have held some "brief talks" for a new contract with offensive tackle Jonathan Scott, according to agent Jordan Woy, but have discussed no numbers. Scott started the final 11 games, including three in the postseason, at left tackle for injured Max Starks. He signed a one-year contract in 2010 as a free agent from Buffalo.
It also is possible they will put the franchise player tag on Woodley before the deadline to do so a week from Thursday. That designation would, under the old rules, guarantee that Woodley plays for the Steelers another season with his salary determined as the average of the top five linebacker salaries in the league in 2010. A year ago, that was $9.68 million and should reach $10 million in 2011. The Steelers did that with Starks in 2009 and were able to sign him to a new long-term contract that June. They would hope to do the same with Woodley, who earned only $550,000 last season, his fourth and the third as their starting left outside linebacker.


The teams, however, do not even know if there will be a franchise tag included when the owners and players agree to a new CBA. Still, teams have been designating franchise players over the past week, and the Steelers may follow suit with Woodley.
Before last year, players could become unrestricted free agents after four seasons, provided their contracts expired. They became restricted free agents after three years. That changed last year when the NFL entered the final year of the CBA as an uncapped year in 2010. Instead of four years needed to become a UFA, it turned to six, and that affected Colon. He lost millions in a potential long-term contract as an unrestricted free agent. Instead, Colon was restricted and signed a one-year tender for $2,198,000, then was lost for the season when his Achilles ruptured in June.

Woodley also was affected monetarily by the uncapped year, in which he earned a salary of $550,000. Under normal circumstances, with one year left on his contract entering 2010, the Steelers would have signed him to a multi-year, multi-million contract extension with a big signing bonus. But because of the rules changes in the final year of the CBA, any new contract would limit salary increases of no more than 30 percent annually, and 30 percent of $550,000 was not in the neighborhood that Woodley had since resided. The alternative was to give him a huge signing bonus but that might have cost anywhere between $25 million and $40 million.

So, Woodley played at a bargain-basement salary and, provided there is a new collective bargaining agreement this year, will make up for lost time either as the Steelers' $10 million franchise player or with a new multi-year contract.
The following are the Steelers free agents, assuming the old rules apply, making players unrestricted after four years and restricted after three:

Unrestricted -- Willie Colon, Nick Eason, Trai Essex, Keyaron Fox, Chris Hoke, Anthony Madison, Mewelde Moore, Shaun Suisham, Ike Taylor, LaMarr Woodley, William Gay, Jonathan Scott, Daniel Sepulveda, Matt Spaeth, Greg Warren.
Restricted -- Dennis Dixon, Tony Hills.
Exclusive rights -- Doug Legursky.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11047/1125666-66.stm#ixzz1E7wnsVCW

BlitzburghRockCity
02-16-2011, 08:14 AM
WASHINGTON -- The NFL filed an unfair labor practice charge against its players' union with the National Labor Relations Board on Monday.

The league's filing says the union "consistently has failed to confer in good faith" during negotiations for a new contract and the union's "conduct amounts to surface bargaining and an anticipatory refusal to bargain."

A statement e-mailed to The Associated Press by union spokesman George Atallah says the NFL's "claim has absolutely no merit."
The NLRB is a federal agency that enforces the nation's labor laws and referees labor-management disputes.

The current collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of the day March 3. The NFL Players Association has said it expects the owners to lock out players; the NFL's filing with the NLRB says that the union wants to "run out the clock" and, essentially, avoid reaching a new CBA so it can decertify and file an antitrust lawsuit.
Players already have voted, team-by-team, to authorize decertifying their union if a new CBA isn't reached by the deadline.

The NFLPA already decertified in 1989, then returned as a union in 1993, when a contract was reached with the league that provided for free agency. That landmark CBA was renewed or restructured several times since 1993, including in 2006. The owners opted out of that most recent deal in 2008.

Under the heading "Basis of the Charge," the NFL says in yesterday's filing with the NLRB that during current negotiations, the union delayed the scheduling of bargaining sessions; failed to "respond in a timely and/or meaningful manner" to owners' contract proposals; and insisted on "disclosure of financial data to which the NFLPA has no legal right and then suspending negotiations unless and until such data is produced."
The league's filing also accuses the NFLPA of "engaging in other actions demonstrating that the union has approached these negotiations with no intent to reach agreement through good faith collective bargaining."

Atallah's e-mailed statement said: "The players didn't walk out and the players can't lock out. Players want a fair, new and long-term deal. We have offered proposals and solutions on every issue the owners have raised."

The biggest issue separating the sides is how to divide about $9 billion in annual revenues; under the old deal, the owners receive $1 billion off the top, and they want to increase that to $2 billion before players get their share.

Among the other significant points in negotiations: the owners' push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games; a rookie wage scale; and benefits for retired players.


Read more: NFL files unfair labor charge against union - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_722930.html#ixzz1E7x8COCk) http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_722930.html#ixzz1E7x8COCk

BlitzburghRockCity
02-16-2011, 02:43 PM
"We need an agreement that both sides can live with and obtain what they need, not simply what they want,” Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in an op-ed that is appearing in newspapers across the country.
"Today’s collective bargain agreement does not work as it should from the standpoint of the teams,” he continued. “If needed adjustments are made, the NFL will be better for everyone. The first step is making sure a new collective bargaining agreement is more balanced and supports innovation and growth.”
Following is the complete op-ed column:


The time has come to make a deal




By Roger Goodell
One of the best NFL seasons in history is now over. We salute NFL players for their extraordinary talent and we deeply appreciate the tremendous support of the fans.
The hard work to secure the next NFL season must now accelerate in earnest. We are just weeks from the expiration of our collective bargaining agreement. There has been enough rhetoric, litigation and other efforts beyond the negotiating table. It is time for serious negotiations.

The current agreement expires on March 4, and I cannot emphasize enough the importance of reaching agreement by then. If we as a league — the teams and players’ union — fail to fulfill our shared responsibility to the fans and game, everyone will be worse off — players, teams and fans — starting in March.

This is an opportunity to create a better future for the NFL, to improve the game for our fans, and to expand the economic benefits for the players and teams.
Staying with the status quo is not an option. The world has changed for everyone, including the NFL and our fans. We must get better in everything we do.

The union has repeatedly said that it hasn’t asked for anything more and literally wants to continue playing under the existing agreement. That clearly indicates the deal has moved too far in favor of one side. Even the union’s president knows this — as he said on national radio on January 27: “I think what really happened is in 2006 we got such a great deal. I mean, the players got a good deal and the owners felt they got it handed to them.”

We need an agreement that both sides can live with and obtain what they need, not simply what they want.

Today’s collective bargain agreement does not work as it should from the standpoint of the teams. If needed adjustments are made, the NFL will be better for everyone. The first step is making sure a new collective bargaining agreement is more balanced and supports innovation and growth.

The NFL clubs want to move forward, improve the system, and secure the future of the game for the benefit of players, fans and teams.
The status quo means no rookie wage scale and the continuation of outrageous sums paid to many unproven rookies. In 2009, for example, NFL clubs contracted $1.2 billion to 256 drafted rookies with $585 million guaranteed before they had stepped on an NFL field. Instead, we will shift significant parts of that money to proven veterans and retired players.

The status quo means 16 regular-season and four preseason games — even though fans have rejected and dismissed four preseason games at every opportunity. We need to deliver more value to our fans by giving them more of what they want at responsible prices. This can be achieved if we work together and focus on more ways to make the game safer and reduce unnecessary contact during the season and in the off-season.

The status quo means failing to recognize the many costs of financing, building, maintaining and operating stadiums. We need new stadiums in Los Angeles, Minneapolis, San Francisco, Oakland and San Diego; and the ability for more league investment in new technology to improve service to fans in stadiums and at home.
The status quo means players continuing to keep 60 percent of available revenue, in good years or bad, no matter how the national economy or the economics of the league have changed. From 2001 to 2009, player compensation doubled and the teams committed a total of $34 billion to player costs. The NFL is healthy in many respects, but we do not have a healthy business model that can sustain growth.
Companies with far more revenue than the NFL have gone bankrupt because they mismanaged their costs and failed to address their problems before they became a crisis. The NFL has a track record over many decades of making good decisions that have led to unprecedented popularity. Negotiating a fair agreement will result in billions in pay and benefits to current players, improved benefits for retired players, and a sustainable business model for our teams.

The current deal does not secure the best possible future for the game, players, clubs and fans. The next few weeks must be used to negotiate with intensity and purpose so we can reach a fair agreement by March 4. If both sides compromise and give a little, everyone will get a lot, especially the fans.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e56a03/article/goodell-we-need-an-agreement-both-sides-can-live-with

BlitzburghRockCity
02-20-2011, 09:48 PM
NEW YORK — Two weeks before a potential lockout, the NFL and its players' union are asking for help in their stalled negotiations.

Both sides agreed Thursday to mediation as they discuss a new collective bargaining agreement. The Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service, an independent U.S. government agency, will oversee talks in Washington beginning today.

After holding separate discussions with representatives from the league and the union, FMCS director George H. Cohen said both sides agreed to have the agency mediate. Mediation is not binding.

"Any time that both sides of negotiations can get together, whether through conventional means of bargaining or mediation, to come to an agreement that can benefit all parties, it is a good thing," NFLPA president Kevin Mawae told The Associated Press in an e-mail.

Negotiations broke down last week, leading to the cancellation of one planned session. The players are expecting the owners to lock them out if the CBA expires March 3 without a new agreement.

"Due to the extreme sensitivity of these negotiations and consistent with the FMCS's long-standing practice, the agency will refrain from any public comment concerning the future schedule and/or the status of those negotiations until further notice," Cohen said.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told The Associated Press in an e-mail: "We are now in mediation."

The league also switched an owners meeting from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., on March 3, to Chantilly, Va., on March 2-3. In a statement, NFLPA spokesman George Atallah said: "The NFLPA has always focused on a fair collective bargaining agreement through negotiations. We hope that this renewed effort, through mediation, will help the players and owners reach a successful deal."

The biggest issue separating the sides is how to divide about $9 billion in annual revenues. Among the other significant points in negotiations: the owners' push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games; a rookie wage scale; and benefits for retired players. "Our ultimate goal is a new CBA," Atallah wrote yesterday on his Twitter feed. Cohen said in a statement that the negotiations will be conducted "under my auspices." He is no stranger to sports mediation. He was involved in Major League Soccer talks with its players' union and a work stoppage was avoided last year. Cohen also has worked with the players' associations for Major League Baseball, helping end the 1994-95 strike as a consulting attorney, and the NBA, and was an advisor to the NHL players' union before joining the FMCS.

Aiello told The AP the mediation would not have an effect on the NLRB complaint.
Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay recalled the last CBA negotiations in 2006, a deal the owners opted out of in 2008. "Since the last time, things have broken off and guys have gone their separate ways," Irsay said. "I remember that happened the last time and (then-commissioner) Paul Tagliabue ended up texting (union chief) Gene Upshaw and said, 'Why don't we get back together.' So you never know when something positive can happen and something good can get done.
"I don't have a strong anticipation something will get done before (March 3), but I think it's possible."


Read more: NFL sides agree to mediation - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_723469.html#ixzz1EYeQZ1ae) http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_723469.html#ixzz1EYeQZ1ae

Black@Gold Forever32
02-20-2011, 11:50 PM
If a lock out happens then I really will consider not following the NFL for some time....Probably not for good but will take a break if there is a lock out and the season is missed.........I don't fault the players at all but just tired of BS owners like Kraft, Jones, Synder, and of course *** clown commish himself Roger Goodell.....

acero
02-21-2011, 12:07 AM
If a lock out happens then I really will consider not following the NFL for some time....Probably not for good but will take a break if there is a lock out and the season is missed.........I don't fault the players at all but just tired of BS owners like Kraft, Jones, Synder, and of course *** clown commish himself Roger Goodell.....

i agree with your take on this 4 guys haha

the nfl could use another 4 or 5 owners like the rooneys

BlitzburghRockCity
02-21-2011, 08:08 AM
WASHINGTON -- Federally mediated negotiations toward a new NFL labor deal lasted about eight hours Sunday, the third consecutive day the league and its players' union met to try to find common ground before the current contract expires.

NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith didn't stop for questions as he left the Washington office of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service, a U.S. government agency, shortly after 6 p.m. He and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell arrived within minutes of each other, shortly before 10 a.m.

Sunday was the third consecutive -- and, so far, longest -- day of face-to-face communication after months of slow and sometimes contentious bargaining. The sides have met for a total of more than 20 hours since Friday in front of George Cohen, director of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service.

Because both sides agreed to Cohen's request that they not comment publicly on these negotiations, it's not clear what, if any, progress is being made.
"You know we're not going to give you any information," NFL outside lawyer Bob Batterman said as he left with three league executives. "I can't say anything, other than the fact that we are meeting."

Batterman, who represented the NHL when it lost its entire 2004-05 season to a lockout, then referred to Cohen as a "first-class mediator."
The NFL's labor deal expires at the end of the day March 3. The union has said it believes team owners want to lock out the players as soon as the next day, which could threaten the 2011 season.

On his way into the talks yesterday morning, Jeff Pash, the NFL's general counsel and lead labor negotiator said, "We are working hard, and we're following the director's playbook, and we'll see what we come up with."

Lawyers Jeffrey Kessler and Richard Berthelsen, current players Tony Richardson of the New York Jets and Charlie Batch of the Steelers, and former players Pete Kendall and Sean Morey were among those representing the union yesterday. They began arriving before 9 a.m.

"Conversation is good," Richardson said when he left.
The sides met for about six hours on both Friday and Saturday. Cohen announced Thursday the groups agreed to the mediation, which is not binding but is meant as a way to spur progress.

The plan calls for several days of negotiations with Cohen present. The mediation could be seen as a positive sign after several months of infrequent negotiations -- and frequent rhetoric, including charges from each side that the other was hoping for a work stoppage.

The league and union went more than two months without any formal bargaining until Feb. 5, the day before the Super Bowl. The sides met again the next week but called off a second meeting that had been scheduled for the following day.
The most recent CBA was signed in 2006, but owners exercised an opt-out clause in 2008.

The biggest issue separating the sides is how to divide about $9 billion in annual revenues. Among the other significant points in negotiations: the owners' push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games; a rookie wage scale; and benefits for retired players.
No team owners have been seen at the mediated sessions, but they're surely keeping up with what's happening -- and at least one indicated optimism about the 2011 season in a roundabout way.

Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay tweeted yesterday: "T Minus 351 days 2 Sup Bowl kickoff in Indy...early predictions 4 participating teams???"


Read more: Mediated NFL talks wrap up 3rd day - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_723870.html#ixzz1EbA8NC00) http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_723870.html#ixzz1EbA8NC00

BlitzburghRockCity
02-21-2011, 08:09 AM
I think it will leave a bad taste in the mouth of all fans if there is a lockout. After all this is the NFL,not the MLB, NBA, or NHL; we don't have lockouts. The reality is though that greed is present in all sports and we all this is about greed and nothing else.

I couldn't say that I'd stop following the NFL if there were a lockout but I would be as upset as everyone else, and then some.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-21-2011, 02:26 PM
WASHINGTON -- The NFL and NFLPA have started Day 4 of negotiations before federal mediator George Cohen at the Federal Media and Conciliation Service.
NFL general counsel Jeff Pash was first to arrive Monday, going through the doors at around 8 a.m. ET. Outside counsel Bob Batterman arrived at the FMCS at 8:50 a.m., and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was right behind him at 9:12 a.m.

NFLPA officials met at their 20th Street offices in the morning, before making the two-block walk over to the federal mediator's office just before 11 a.m. Executive director DeMaurice Smith arrived with Browns linebacker and executive committee member Scott Fujita (http://www.nfl.com/players/scottfujita/profile?id=FUJ296636). General counsel Richard Berthelsen, outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler, permanent player rep Pete Kendall, and executive committee members Sean Morey, Charlie Batch (http://www.nfl.com/players/charliebatch/profile?id=BAT039161) and Tony Richardson (http://www.nfl.com/players/tonyrichardson/profile?id=RIC389026) were among the union contingent.

Sunday's meetings lasted over eight hours (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d81e654a5), the longest day of negotiations since the NFL and NFLPA arrived in Washington on Friday.
On the way out of Sunday's meeting, Richardson said the "conversation is good." Pash said earlier in the day that, "We are working hard and following the director's playbook. We'll see what we come up with."

But both sides, per Cohen's request, have been operating under a cone of silence on the details of the meeting. The NFL and NFLPA agreed to the federal mediation on Thursday, and logged a total of more than 20 hours of meetings on Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

The current collective bargaining agreement expires on March 3.
The plan is for this set of meetings to go right through Thursday, with the clock ticking to the expiration of the CBA. Union chiefs will meet with player agents at a mandatory summit at the scouting combine on Friday, and the league has meetings scheduled on March 2 and 3 in Northern Virginia near D.C.

The players believe that team owners are preparing to lock them out as soon as March 4, which could threaten the 2011 season.

News of the start of mediation could be a positive sign after several months of infrequent negotiations -- and frequent rhetoric, including charges from each side that the other was hoping for a work stoppage.
The league and union went more than two months without any formal bargaining until Feb. 5, the day before the Super Bowl. The sides met again last week but called off a second meeting that had been scheduled for the following day.

The most recent CBA was signed in 2006, but owners exercised an opt-out clause in 2008.

The biggest issue separating the sides is how to divide about $9 billion in annual revenues. Among the other significant points in negotiations: the owners' push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games, a rookie wage scale and benefits for retired players.
Cohen was involved in Major League Soccer's negotiations with its players' union last year, when a possible work stoppage was avoided.

He was the baseball players' association's lead lawyer in federal court in 1995, when the National Labor Relations Board obtained an injunction against owners from then-District Judge -- and now Supreme Court Justice -- Sonia Sotomayor that led players to end their strike, which lasted more than seven months.
The FMCS was involved in negotiations during the 2004-05 NHL lockout and in a 2005 dispute between the U.S. Soccer Federation and national team players.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-22-2011, 10:03 PM
An very good resource to follow, this particular page has the full, most recent, CBA, between the NFL and the NFLPA.

http://nfllabor.com/current-cba/

bensshoes
02-23-2011, 01:21 AM
this whole thing sucks. the owners couldn't get on the same page and now there trying to negotiate with the players association? What crap!:cope::cope::cope:

Deviouz1
02-23-2011, 02:11 AM
personally i think its bs from both sides. yeah the owners are greedy schmucks but the players are just as bad. the one thing i keep hearing from them is "oh player safety<whimper>, they dont care blahblahblah" and i understand where theyre coming from(sort of) considering the BS this last season with helmet to helmet fever, but seriously, what does changing 2 preseason games into competitive games really change? people get hurt in preseason all the time. its not like they play two hand touch during it so wtf? theyre just doing it because of how the league was acting last year.

to be completely honest i think that rule about hitting defenseless recievers while theyre in the air is a crock of boiling poo too. dont want to get slaughtered while youre in the air? dont catch a ball over the middle when the defense is in a zone just waiting for it. if you want to blame anyone for the safety of those receivers, blame the QB's that put them in the position to get hammered. as The Great One said "I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play". HEAR HEAR! dont neuter the defense because QB's dont give a damn about their receivers and just put the ball wherever the hell they want.

start fining QB's for that kind of thing instead and you'd see a drastic drop in the amount of broken ribs and concussions their receivers get. if they can catch the ball but in doing so put their very lives at risk then guess what? theyre NOT FREAKING OPEN! just seems to me that within the next 10 years or so we're gonna be watching the National Twohand Touch League where the players get fined if anything but their hands touch the other players.

Jack Lambert says theyre all a bunch of SISSIES!

:rant2:

hit 'n run
02-23-2011, 09:13 PM
start fining QB's for that kind of thing instead and you'd see a drastic drop in the amount of broken ribs and concussions their receivers get.

Jack Lambert says theyre all a bunch of SISSIES!

:rant2:

That's a good idea.

P.S.
Did Jack say that recently?

Deviouz1
02-23-2011, 09:51 PM
That's a good idea.

P.S.
Did Jack say that recently?

not that i know of but you know he would if asked. that or something similar. then again if he broke your arm he would tell you to stand up, rub some dirt on it and get back out there, theres more football to be played.

chuck norris aint got **** on Jack Lambert.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/372487/jack-lambert-o.gif

hit 'n run
02-23-2011, 10:03 PM
Oh I love Lambert. Always.
Norris, not so much. Van Damme in Bloodsport - YES!

Deviouz1
02-23-2011, 10:25 PM
ive always loved his attitude. believe it or not it had quite the impact on me, especially in my teen years. that "you may not like me, but you WILL respect me" thing just gives me the warm fuzzy happys every time.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-25-2011, 06:00 PM
Watching ESPN at work today over lunch, I heard them about some progress continuing to be made in the talks but that the major issues are still far from resolved at this point.

BlitzburghRockCity
02-27-2011, 09:17 AM
INDIANAPOLIS — NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the league's top labor negotiator used this week's annual scouting combine to update owners on the collective bargaining negotiations.


In an e-mail to The Associated Press, league spokesman Greg Aiello confirmed Saturday that Goodell and Jeff Pash met Friday with the owners' labor committee at the Colts' team complex. Colts owner Jim Irsay, Aiello said, did not participate because he was out of town.


"There was a meeting yesterday at the Colts' offices of the ownership's labor committee for another update from the negotiating team," Aiello wrote.
The NFL Players Association and league owners are trying to work out a new collective bargaining agreement before the old expires at the end of Thursday.
The two sides spent seven straight days negotiating in front of federal mediator George Cohen in Washington before talks ended Thursday. They are scheduled to resume Tuesday.


Both sides have abided by Cohen's request to stay quiet about the negotiations, but it's becoming increasingly clear that everyone involved is bracing for the NFL's first work stoppage since 1987.


"Everyone is building their team the same way. You'll have the draft, you'll have free agency, none of those things are going away," Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli said yesterday. "It all is going to be there at some point, and you're going to build your team the way you build your team."


Agents also expect a salary cap to be part of the eventual deal.
The latest meeting in Indy was another odd twist on one of the NFL's biggest and busiest offseason events. Suddenly, all that talk about big-time picks like Cam Newton and Nick Fairley has been overshadowed by the continual meetings about the looming lockout.


On Thursday night, league officials met with head coaches and general managers. Jacksonville Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio described the meeting as "informational."
On Friday, NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith took his turn. He spent two hours updating agents on the negotiations, then the union put four prominent agents — Tom Condon, Ben Dogra, Drew Rosenhaus and Joel Segal — side-by-side in a show of unity for Smith and the players.


Three blocks away, at Lucas Oil Stadium, the site of next year's Super Bowl, prospective rookies were working out at the same time agents began tweeting that potential rookies would not be allowed to talk with team officials if the CBA expires. Union and league spokesmen quickly said that was untrue.


Yesterday, word leaked about Goodell's meeting on the city's west side. Aiello did not provide details of the most recent discussions which included the labor committee co-chairman — Pat Bowlen of the Denver Broncos and Jerry Richardson of the Carolina Panthers — Dallas' Jerry Jones and New England's Robert Kraft.
The most recent CBA was signed in 2006, but owners exercised a clause in 2008 that let them opt out.
League owners want a greater percentage of the roughly $9 billion in annual revenue that is shared with the players. Among the other significant topics in negotiations are a rookie wage scale; the owners' push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games; and benefits for retired players.
But the threat of a lockout has sped up the pace of negotiations.


After months of infrequent and sometimes contentious talks, the sides went more than two months without any formal bargaining until Feb. 5, the day before the Super Bowl. The sides met again once the next week, then called off a second meeting that had been scheduled for the following day.
Cohen said Thursday that the two sides had made "some progress" but "very strong differences remain."


"We want a deal and our hope is it will get done as quickly as possible," Smith said Friday. And so does the city of Indianapolis, which is set to host its first Super Bowl next season.


"I hear that they expect to get it done," Mayor Greg Ballard said during a visit to the stadium. "I'm glad that they're talking, that they're talking seriously. We feel that they'll get it done."


Read more: NFL owners receive labor update - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_724916.html#ixzz1FAWjZ8eK) http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_724916.html#ixzz1FAWjZ8eK

hit 'n run
02-28-2011, 07:50 PM
INDIANAPOLIS — NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the league's top labor negotiator used this week's annual scouting combine to update owners on the collective bargaining negotiations...

...Both sides have abided by Cohen's request to stay quiet about the negotiations, but it's becoming increasingly clear that everyone involved is bracing for the NFL's first work stoppage since 1987...

...After months of infrequent and sometimes contentious talks, the sides went more than two months without any formal bargaining until Feb. 5, the day before the Super Bowl. The sides met again once the next week, then called off a second meeting that had been scheduled for the following day.
Cohen said Thursday that the two sides had made "some progress" but "very strong differences remain."

.. "We want a deal and our hope is it will get done as quickly as possible," Smith said Friday. And so does the city of Indianapolis, which is set to host its first Super Bowl next season...

"I hear that they expect to get it done," Mayor Greg Ballard said during a visit to the stadium. "I'm glad that they're talking, that they're talking seriously. We feel that they'll get it done."


Underneath all the content-free verbiage - what's really going on?

BlitzburghRockCity
03-02-2011, 07:27 PM
It's about 30 hours before D-Day or Crunch Time or whatever you want to call it. The CBA expires at 11:59pm on 3/3/2011. The owners and players have been talking today and will continue to talk. The owners are actually just leaving the mediating room now but the talks will continue.

There may still be a lockout but after the owners met today there has been no action as of it.

BlitzburghRockCity
03-03-2011, 06:25 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e95bf8/article/league-players-union-agree-to-24hour-extension-in-labor-talks?module=breaking_news

WASHINGTON -- The NFL and NFL Players Association agreed Thursday to a 24-hour extension of the negotiating window for a new collective bargaining agreement, sources told NFL Network's Kara Henderson.

Momentum to approve the idea of "stopping the clock" built throughout Thursday as the sides met for over eight hours in front of federal mediator George Cohen.
The original expiration date for the current CBA had been 11:59 p.m. ET Thursday. Now the union's deadline to possibly decertify is 4 p.m. ET Friday, according to NFL Network's Albert Breer.

The 24-hour extension could very well lead to a longer extension, according to a league source.

U.S. District Judge David Doty was in his chambers in Minnesota, prepared to review whatever was put his way. However, Todd Winter, one of Doty's law clerks, said the office wouldn't comment on anything regarding CBA negotiations at this time.
Doty would have to sign-off on any extension before it becomes valid.

"We're going to keep working," NFLPA Executive Director DeMaurice Smith said Thursday.

The terms of the extended deadline were open to negotiation, according to a league source. The amount of time, how it corresponds to the league year (can teams still sign existing free agents or cut players?) and the enforceability of the league's drug policy were eligible to be worked out between the sides.

The NFLPA isn't willing to take decerification -- as definied by the rights in the current CBA -- off the table, according to sources, just as the NFL is certain not to rule out the possibility of a lockout.

A time extension or "stopping the clock" occured during the 2006 labor negotiations, and a deal ultimately was reached. The NFLPA was prepared to decertify Thursday if no deal or extension was reached.

If the union eventually decertifies, sources told Breer that quarterbacks Tom Brady (http://www.nfl.com/players/tombrady/profile?id=BRA371156), Peyton Manning (http://www.nfl.com/players/peytonmanning/profile?id=MAN515097) and Drew Brees (http://www.nfl.com/players/drewbrees/profile?id=BRE229498) would serve as the lead plaintiffs in any potential antitrust lawsuit filed against the league.
The union has been asking league owners to open their books and reveal more economic data about expenses and revenue. After meeting with Cohen on Wednesday night, a source said, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and his negotiating team were in a position where they would be inclined to reveal more financial data at Thursday's session.

The labor talks even have drawn the attention of the nation's first fan -- President Barack Obama.

"You have owners worth close to a billion, players making millions. The parties should be able to work it out," Obama said in a statement Thursday. "I'm a big football fan. For an industry making $9 billion, I'd hope they can figure out how to divide it up in a sensible way. ... I hope they can come to an agreement without me having to intervene."
Goodell and the NFL's negotiating team arrived at the mediator's headquarters about 45 minutes ahead of NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith and his group.
Staring at the first pro football work stoppage since 1987, Goodell said Thursday morning, "We're working hard."

Also on hand for the NFL were lead negotiator Jeff Pash, outside counsel Bob Batterman, New York Giants (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG) owner John Mara, Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB) president Mark Murphy, Washington Redskins (http://www.nfl.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS) general manager Bruce Allen and several other league executives. Mara and Murphy are members of the league's labor committee, which has the authority to call for a lockout if a new agreement isn't reached.
"We'll stay at it as long as it takes," Pash said before the 10th mediation session at Cohen's office.

The owners didn't spend much time Wednesday discussing where the negotiations stood, cutting their planned two-day meeting to a three-hour affair at a suburban hotel. New England Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newenglandpatriots/profile?team=NE) owner Robert Kraft and Dallas Cowboys (http://www.nfl.com/teams/dallascowboys/profile?team=DAL) owner Jerry Jones, also members of the labor committee, headed home rather than stick around for further talks with the union.


There was a flurry of activity Wednesday: a four-hour mediation session attended by all 10 members of the owners' labor committee, NFLPA president Kevin Mawae and New Orleans Saints (http://www.nfl.com/teams/neworleanssaints/profile?team=NO) quarterback Drew Brees; the three-hour owners meeting at a hotel 25 miles away in Chantilly, Va.; a one-hour meeting of the league's labor committee immediately after the owners broke up; the cancellation of another planned gathering of owners Thursday; and a private visit with Cohen starting at 8 p.m. by Goodell, two top league lawyers, Mara and Murphy.

The biggest sticking point in negotiations has been how to divide the league's revenues, including what cut team owners should receive up front to help cover certain costs, such as stadium construction. Under the old deal, owners received about $1 billion off the top. They entered these negotiations seeking to add another $1 billion to that.

Among the other significant topics: a rookie wage scale; the owners' push to expand the regular season from 16 games to 18 while reducing the preseason by two games; and benefits for retired players.

BR7
03-11-2011, 05:42 PM
Not looking good. NFLPA applies for decertification.


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steelersbabex25
03-11-2011, 06:43 PM
Lockout. No season. WHAT AM I GONNA DO NOW?!

bensshoes
03-13-2011, 09:17 AM
Lockout. No season. WHAT AM I GONNA DO NOW?!

life moves on, I wouldn't get too down yet in the ad above my post the Steelers are selling 2011 merchandise, Football will happen eventually, Mr. Rooney the II asked for us to remain paitent as an owner he doesn't deserve that but as a fan of the team I'll give it untill September, It would suck if there was no training camp as I was taking my kids to Latrobe this year but I have no controll over that so "WHAT EVER."

jpele
03-22-2011, 09:04 PM
Adam Schefter
Long way to go, lots of money at stake, but here were the whispers at the owners meetings: Season now in peril. Sure hope whispers are wrong.

I too hope the whispers are wrong.