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andyg1984
02-21-2011, 09:17 PM
Trying to get a grip on which guys at the combine to focus on and thought this was basically what I have seen that might make some sense for us .. I tried to keep it to players who were mocked plus or minus a few spots from where we pick on most mocks in order to not to be too optimistic .. names highlighted in bold would be my guess ..

1. Mike Pouncey, Brandon Harris, Phil Taylor .. some is going to reach on MP2 imo..
2. Greg Little, Marcus Cannon, Ras-I-Dowling.. Little is a beast and i think the other two are off the board
3. Demarco Murray, Robert Sands, Dontay Moch.. murray has great receiving skills and is very explosive ..buh bye all bu rb's but redman
4. Deandre Brown, Weslye Saunders, Chimdi Chekwa, Josh Bynes.. Some don't really like him, but our 4th is a pretty late pick and there are much worse moves
5. Bruce Miller, Noel Devine, Graig Cooper.. we are going to draft at least 1 OLB ..

I would like to put Quinton Carter's name on here and a few others but i just don't think they will fit or be there when we pick

--- Added 2/21/2011 at 07:17 PM ---

i think the first three names i highlighted there will actually be higher come draft time ..

JollyRob68
02-23-2011, 03:38 PM
Trying to get a grip on which guys at the combine to focus on and thought this was basically what I have seen that might make some sense for us .. I tried to keep it to players who were mocked plus or minus a few spots from where we pick on most mocks in order to not to be too optimistic .. names highlighted in bold would be my guess ..

1. Mike Pouncey, Brandon Harris, Phil Taylor .. some is going to reach on MP2 imo..
2. Greg Little, Marcus Cannon, Ras-I-Dowling.. Little is a beast and i think the other two are off the board
3. Demarco Murray, Robert Sands, Dontay Moch.. murray has great receiving skills and is very explosive ..buh bye everyone but redman
4. Deandre Brown, Weslye Saunders, Chimdi Chekwa, Josh Bynes.. Some don't really like him, but our 4th is a pretty late pick and there are much worse moves
5. Bruce Miller, Noel Devine, Graig Cooper.. we are going to draft at least 1 OLB ..

I would like to put Quinton Carter's name on here and a few others but i just don't think they will fit or be there when we pick

--- Added 2/21/2011 at 07:17 PM ---

i think the first three names i highlighted there will actually be higher come draft time ..

Nice list, One person said The Steelers might look at LB from LSU Kelvin Sheppard in the 4th. What they do in rd 1 will dictate the rest of the draft. It Depends on who Falls/ is available with the 31st pick. Also remember The Steelers Love to Move back when they're in that late spot.

K Train
02-23-2011, 04:13 PM
quinton carter would be a great fit imo, i hope he gets serious consideration in round 2...hes a FS/CB tweener that would excel in playing centerfield for us and has the closing speed that clark lacks and hes a big hitter

andyg1984
02-23-2011, 05:08 PM
i like carter too, just dont think he will be there .. i feel like we are destined to draft Ras-I-Dowling and Bynes tho lol

andyg1984
02-23-2011, 08:44 PM
quinton carter would be a great fit imo, i hope he gets serious consideration in round 2...hes a FS/CB tweener that would excel in playing centerfield for us and has the closing speed that clark lacks and hes a big hitter

what do you think of Ras-I-Dowling (RID) ? i think he makes a case as a tweener as well .. i think he has to be better than a couple guys in the secondary - at CB and FS ..

K Train
02-24-2011, 03:14 PM
hes ok, down year and a bit of an overrated prospect....cant really hit like carter though, id prefer carter much more because he has similar weaknesses as dowling but better strengths for what wed be looking for

Silverback
02-24-2011, 09:37 PM
Glad you mentioned Murray, hes been getting no attention coming into the combine but is one of my favorite players in the draft. I'm not sure how he fits in with the current backfield but would be serious depth at the position.

andyg1984
02-24-2011, 10:57 PM
yeah, i really like murray .. i used to think he could be elite, but i see now that he is a specialist .. but a damn good one .. great guy to come in to complement mendy and redman imo ..

SteelDad
02-25-2011, 01:10 PM
yeah, i really like murray .. i used to think he could be elite, but i see now that he is a specialist .. but a damn good one .. great guy to come in to complement mendy and redman imo ..

I like Murray as well, but have very serious concerns about his health. If we are looking to add some depth to the backfield, I'd like to see a guy with some great speed who catches the ball out of the backfield.
Mendy and Red are nice combinations of size and speed, but I'd love to see a guy who can take it the distance.

Also, no question that our first round pick can dictate the rest of our draft which is why it is really important that if the guy we really covet is sitting a few picks away we make the right deal to go get him without giving up too many picks.

andyg1984
02-25-2011, 11:43 PM
im not a really a fan of the first pick dictates the rest of the draft because that feels like it increases the probability of not taking BPA .. BUT .. for fun ..

which combo do you like more?

Option 1 - Pouncey, RID/Little
Option 2 - Harris, Cannon/Little

I like option 1, but lets see if MP2 is even available @ 31...

SteelDad
02-27-2011, 12:27 AM
im not a really a fan of the first pick dictates the rest of the draft because that feels like it increases the probability of not taking BPA .. BUT .. for fun ..

which combo do you like more?

Option 1 - Pouncey, RID/Little
Option 2 - Harris, Cannon/Little

I like option 1, but lets see if MP2 is even available @ 31...

Reason I say the first pick can dictate the draft is because of of who that pick could be. If we get a top CB, then that can mean drafting more linemen throughout he draft and vice-versa. If we end up picking the 'best player available' then that can really alter how we go after players of need.

Hearing more and more that Pouncey won't be available when we pick so I think it's becoming a real long shot.

andyg1984
02-27-2011, 10:10 AM
pouncey .. hmmm ... i am tempted to start a thread on marcus cannon now after watching how he carried 360 at the combine.. the big man ..

andyg1984
03-06-2011, 05:49 PM
realized i left vereen off my list .. i really like him too ..

JollyRob68
03-10-2011, 05:08 PM
im not a really a fan of the first pick dictates the rest of the draft because that feels like it increases the probability of not taking BPA .. BUT .. for fun ..

which combo do you like more?

Option 1 - Pouncey, RID/Little
Option 2 - Harris, Cannon/Little

I like option 1, but lets see if MP2 is even available @ 31...

I'd take option 2 Harris & Cannon.,, RID has injury problems and we already have that with Bmac.
I also like Vereen. He would be an awesome change of pace Back.

andyg1984
03-10-2011, 10:15 PM
another RB i am starting to like is taiwan jones.. def has a burst

DanRooney
03-11-2011, 12:26 PM
The new walterfootball has us drafting the best 3-4 ILB in the draft, Martez Wilson.

31. Pittsburgh Steelers: Martez Wilson, ILB, Illinois
Martez Wilson just had an outstanding Combine, running a 4.44 40 and leaping a 36-inch vertical. Wilson, at 6-4, 250 pounds and 34 5/8-inch arms, is a very talented linebacker and one of the top players on the board.

I know the Steelers drafted Stevenson Sylvester to compete as James Farrior's heir apparent, but I don't think they'll be able to pass on a premier talent like Wilson.

Strengths:
Speedy and hustles in pursuit
Some pass-rushing skills
Physical and athletic
Scheme versatile
Special teams contributor

Weaknesses:
Lacks instincts to diagnose plays
Overly aggressive
Must gain strength
Needs to work on lower body
Neck injury a concern

Summary: Martez Wilson finally lived up to his recruiting status in his final college season. His lack of time spent in the film room earlier in his career is evident, but if he continues to study, he should show even more improvement. The herniated disc in his neck from 2009 is going to be an issue, but teams will do their homework on that. Teams also need to figure out where to play him. There are options, but most of them require development. I see him working best inside in a 3-4. His potential will probably lead a team to draft him higher than it should.



http://walterfootball.com/draft2011ILB.php

K Train
03-11-2011, 01:15 PM
wilson has extremely poor instincts, he over pursues and hes soft...he does not like contact at all. hes not the 250 pound hammer hes made out to be

JollyRob68
03-12-2011, 03:25 PM
wilson has extremely poor instincts, he over pursues and hes soft...he does not like contact at all. hes not the 250 pound hammer hes made out to be

He was my wild card pick but I've read The Steelers like Kelvin Shepard.
I like Sylvester Stevenson & would like to get Kelvin Shepad but I just dont think he'll be there in the third.
I say 3rd because we need OL/CB in 1st & 2nd rounds. Unless Phil Taylor of Baylor is there and the decide to take him.

coach
03-12-2011, 10:16 PM
I'd take Pouncey 2 and anybody if I thought he would be there. He will be gone becuase the tackle class is weak. IMO, we will have our choice of OTs 4-6 (since top 3 will be gone), BPA or DB. Brandon Albert was gone by 31 and I think the top two centers were gone the next year. Last year the top interior linemaen were gone long before 31.
What do you guys think of BPA on DL? I think I prefer a shut down corner due to need, but I am not sure I can convince myself it is happening.

JollyRob68
03-13-2011, 03:42 PM
I'd take Pouncey 2 and anybody if I thought he would be there. He will be gone becuase the tackle class is weak. IMO, we will have our choice of OTs 4-6 (since top 3 will be gone), BPA or DB. Brandon Albert was gone by 31 and I think the top two centers were gone the next year. Last year the top interior linemen were gone long before 31.
What do you guys think of BPA on DL? I think I prefer a shut down corner due to need, but I am not sure I can convince myself it is happening.

I wish I knew more about Ben Ijalana, the little I've seen I like. I also like Danny Watkins. However, at 31 if top OT gone & Pouncey Then you look at what DL has fallen ie Cam Heyward,Phil Taylor & CB Arron Williams,Brandon Harris, S Rahim Moore. I really like Curtis Brown CB Texas

K Train
03-14-2011, 06:14 PM
He was my wild card pick but I've read The Steelers like Kelvin Shepard.
I like Sylvester Stevenson & would like to get Kelvin Shepad but I just dont think he'll be there in the third.
I say 3rd because we need OL/CB in 1st & 2nd rounds. Unless Phil Taylor of Baylor is there and the decide to take him.
The man with two last names is the truth....i love stevenson.

going about it like that is a terrible way..."a OL and CB in the first 2 rounds" If we ended up with nate solder and Johnny patrick in the first 2 rounds id blow a ****ing gasket.

id much rather have Carmichael and Gilbert in the mid rounds than 2 reaches and probable bums with a load of "potential" as #1 (mostly referring to solder, i hate him)


I'd take Pouncey 2 and anybody if I thought he would be there. He will be gone becuase the tackle class is weak. IMO, we will have our choice of OTs 4-6 (since top 3 will be gone), BPA or DB. Brandon Albert was gone by 31 and I think the top two centers were gone the next year. Last year the top interior linemaen were gone long before 31.
What do you guys think of BPA on DL? I think I prefer a shut down corner due to need, but I am not sure I can convince myself it is happening.

Steelers need a solid corner...were not getting a shut down corner, thats PP and PA, we can get a very very good corner in harris, williams, smith, brown, carmichael


I wish I knew more about Ben Ijalana, the little I've seen I like. I also like Danny Watkins. However, at 31 if top OT gone & Pouncey Then you look at what DL has fallen ie Cam Heyward,Phil Taylor & CB Arron Williams,Brandon Harris, S Rahim Moore. I really like Curtis Brown CB Texas

If heyward is at 31 they better take him, i dont care who else is there he will be the best player available at that point. id take moore in the second MAYBE....hes pretty soft, but hes rangy....we like a center fielder that can hit and make up for troys lack of discipline aka a good tackler, which moore is the opposite of

i wish you guys didnt look at height as a make or break factor...brandon harris is 5-9 1/2 and 191...thats a stocky CB with great form, maybe excellent form and 4.45 speed which is great for a CB. many of you see 5-9 and go NOPE not him. im telling you though, hes the sex. Easily my #3 CB at this point, and may very well scare teams away since he measured a whole inch and a half shorter that he was listed...you know, like the length of an entire pinky finger

connecticutsteel
03-14-2011, 09:30 PM
i have compiled a list of corners that fit the steelers sysytem that are realistic of course we all want peterson or prince a but they will be gone at 31 so he goes for pick 31 bbbrandon burton chimdi chewa buster skrine or rasi dowling are good fits all of these player should be avalible at 31 or later

--- Added 3/14/2011 at 07:30 PM ---

taylor is 27 hes too old to draft ol at 31ben ijalana is better they can take zach hurd from uconn 6'8 325 in the4th or 5th rd is a good pick

K Train
03-14-2011, 09:33 PM
literally every one of them is a 3rd or 4th round prospect. burton might be a late 2nd round guy, and dowling is a 2nd/3rd guy as a FS...probably 4th as a corner.

realistically at 31 we have a shot at harris, williams, smith at 31, and curtis brown, davon house, and burton at 62.

id really like carmichael in the 3rd, i think the steelers are pretty interested in him (not to mention hes boys with worilds)

connecticutsteel
03-14-2011, 09:47 PM
what do u think of skrine i watched his tape he looked good on tape

K Train
03-14-2011, 09:53 PM
good small school prospect, but late rounder at best. little thin but ran a solid time.

connecticutsteel
03-14-2011, 10:04 PM
i know all of the guys i listed we can get in the later rounds if we can get smith we gotta take him i just get frustrated all i hear is mike pouncey everywhere and markice made it so his brother wont make it to 31 he will be on the colts as a guard then a center

--- Added 3/14/2011 at 08:04 PM ---

sorry danny watkins is 27 not taylor

K Train
03-14-2011, 10:10 PM
danny watkins is a stud....it just sucks hes so old...will drop him 3 rounds at least.

Mike is not maurkice, scouts know this. hes a guard, not a center, hes not as technically sound, hes not as smooth, and hes not as good of an athlete. he might go a LITTLE higher than he should cause of name and program pedigree but hes a stud guard. not a guard in the mold of faneca, hutch, albert, andrews, or any other recent first round guard only....but imo hes better than justin blalock who went high second, and i bet he has a better rookie year than mike iupati who was drafted 17th because of his massive size and strength and the fact that he can pretty much flip a sled over when he hits it...even though he was dismal last year.

guards just arent valued that high in the first round, mike might be a steeler but it would be a little bit of a reach but chemistry sake it would be worth it. i say if someone else drafts him in the first its gonna be the patriots with their love for gators or the ravens just to spite us

connecticutsteel
03-15-2011, 05:12 AM
i agree

coldrolled
03-15-2011, 12:53 PM
guards just arent valued that high in the first round, mike might be a steeler but it would be a little bit of a reach but chemistry sake it would be worth it. i say if someone else drafts him in the first its gonna be the patriots with their love for gators or the ravens just to spite us


Curtis Brown, Aaron Wiiliams, or Harris..

but read this... i liked this from today..


Mike Pouncey is projected to go late in the first round this year. He could even end up on Maurkice's team again.

One of the Steelers' biggest weaknesses is at right guard. Their success with one Pouncey might give them more interest in the other. The twins could make up a dominant interior for the next decade.

And while Mike Pouncey would love that reunion, there's a little something about it he wouldn't love. The Steelers have the 31st pick in the draft.

"They got the 31st pick," Mike said. "And I got to go before 18th."

He'll never hear the end of it if he doesn't.



Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida-gators/2011-03-15/story/pouncey-brothers-know-drill#ixzz1GgMAG6jl

JollyRob68
03-15-2011, 04:13 PM
Id take Harris. I love Stevenson also and I have no Problem with Solder & Patrick. Did you see Solder plant that coach during drills. I've said for awhile now that if Heyward id there how do you bypass a monster 5 tech that we need badly? Only answer would be we already have a 5 tech with arm issues why draft one? Because he can sit and heal as he learns then rotates in. YEAH!
I have no problem taking a Dominate D lineman. Heyward or Taylor in the first or CB HArris or Wiliams.

--- Added 3/15/2011 at 02:13 PM ---


danny watkins is a stud....it just sucks hes so old...will drop him 3 rounds at least.

Mike is not maurkice, scouts know this. hes a guard, not a center, hes not as technically sound, hes not as smooth, and hes not as good of an athlete. he might go a LITTLE higher than he should cause of name and program pedigree but hes a stud guard. not a guard in the mold of faneca, hutch, albert, andrews, or any other recent first round guard only....but imo hes better than justin blalock who went high second, and i bet he has a better rookie year than mike iupati who was drafted 17th because of his massive size and strength and the fact that he can pretty much flip a sled over when he hits it...even though he was dismal last year.

guards just arent valued that high in the first round, mike might be a steeler but it would be a little bit of a reach but chemistry sake it would be worth it. i say if someone else drafts him in the first its gonna be the patriots with their love for gators or the ravens just to spite us

I see mike being a OG or Right OT and that would be great for us but I dont see him getting past Indy,NE or CHI. If he's there I think they take him no question.
I have no Problem with Watkins Turning 27 and The Steelers wont if theres a rookie pay scale. He'll Start right away & He's nasty. I Love It

K Train
03-15-2011, 05:28 PM
Id take Harris. I love Stevenson also and I have no Problem with Solder & Patrick. Did you see Solder plant that coach during drills. I've said for awhile now that if Heyward id there how do you bypass a monster 5 tech that we need badly? Only answer would be we already have a 5 tech with arm issues why draft one? Because he can sit and heal as he learns then rotates in. YEAH!
I have no problem taking a Dominate D lineman. Heyward or Taylor in the first or CB HArris or Wiliams.

--- Added 3/15/2011 at 02:13 PM ---



I see mike being a OG or Right OT and that would be great for us but I dont see him getting past Indy,NE or CHI. If he's there I think they take him no question.
I have no Problem with Watkins Turning 27 and The Steelers wont if theres a rookie pay scale. He'll Start right away & He's nasty. I Love It
id love mike as our LG, hes perfect for it....put that fat piece of **** kemoeatu at RG or just cut him or something. i dont think mike plays on the outside, hes a rare interior lineman that can get to the second level.

solder would be a terrible fit for us...just awful. the colts i could see him doing well but with us hes the opposite of what we need.

andyg1984
03-15-2011, 06:36 PM
i think you can make a case that solder does not even get a 1st round grade .. i dont really see him doing well vs bull-rushers because of his build and guys like harrison/dumerville who are good benders will give him fits too ..

watkins to me is a great pick and we would be lucky to see him at #2 imo .. not only are we looking to win now, but you sign your guys one contract at a time and he will earn his keep the first go-round ..

speaking of small-school prospects, you have to check out taiwan jones .. worth a shot in later rounds imo (if he lasts that long) ..

where do you guys put wilkerson relative to heyward? i have them real, real close to each other with heyward getting points for name recognition etc ..

K Train
03-15-2011, 06:55 PM
i dont like wilkerson as a 34DE....i think hes much better suited on the inside of a 43, he doesnt use leverage well, he doesnt shed blocks well, he doesnt anchor and hes got a weak upper body for a 6-5 305 pound DT. much better 3 tech than 5 tech imo, 2nd round guy

andyg1984
03-15-2011, 08:48 PM
to me he is a project, but i think there is a ton of upside .. my $ is on heyward to actually have a better career tho

andyg1984
03-16-2011, 02:01 PM
from espn insider...

UPDATE: Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the Pittsburgh Steelers would like to draft Mike Pouncey, but ESPN AFC North blogger James Walker notes that a particular scenario may have to play out in order for them to land him (see below).

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Interior offensive line prospect Pouncey has been linked to a number of teams thus far in pre-draft season; after folks saw how quickly his twin brother Maurkice got up to speed in the NFL with the Steelers in 2010, the thought may be that two apples from the same branch won't fall too far apart from one another. Or some other non-fruit-based metaphor perhaps.

According to Mike Long, who covers the Jacksonville Jaguars and Florida Gators for the Associated Press, Pouncey believes that he'll be taken in the first round of this year's draft, somewhere between the 15th and 20th picks. Pouncey bases this projection on conversations he's had with teams like the Jaguars, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, New York Giants and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

We'll wait to let Todd McShay of ESPN's Scouts, Inc. fill you in on where he sees Pouncey landing in his next mock draft [Editor's note: Coming to you on Wednesday! How's that for a tease?]. But counterpart Mel Kiper, Jr. published his latest mock this past Wednesday, and he had Pouncey pegged right in that 15-20 range:

- Tim Kavanagh



Mel Kiper, Jr.
He's headed to the Giants at No. 19

"Pouncey's brother was taken at No. 18 overall last year and became a Pro Bowl player in his first year with the Steelers. Mike offers a very similar skill set to Maurkice's. He can play guard or center, gets to the second level very well and should help the Giants in the running game. New York is a much better team when they have a running game that takes the heat off Eli Manning, and it should start up front."



James Walker
Pouncey won't last too long

"Ideally, Pouncey would drop to No. 31 for Pittsburgh. But I don't see it happening. If the Steelers want Pouncey to join his twin bother, Maurkice, they will likely have to trade up."


-I have never really thought he would be there .. even if he should be ..

K Train
03-16-2011, 02:49 PM
i think its laughable they think a guard is gonna go that high that wasnt amonst the most dominant guards ever....like a guy like faneca or hutchinson

hes simply not THAT dominant of a guard to warrant that kind of pick. i love him, i really do, and i would love the steelers to get him at 31 but i do think thats about 5-7 slots too high for him. he is my #1 guard but hes just not a guard in the mold of hutch or faneca that just dominated the world in college, and hes not branden albert that he can play LT, and hes not a dominant college LT like andrews and davis were that become mauling guards in the NFL. hes just a good player that plays an undervalued position in the first round. id be very surprised if someone took him for any reason other than to spite us...cough ravens, cough patriots

JollyRob68
03-16-2011, 03:59 PM
I can see the colts & Pats taken him based on need but I see the Colts taken Derek Sherrod.

K Train
03-16-2011, 04:11 PM
i think the colts target sherrod or solder.

JollyRob68
03-16-2011, 04:17 PM
i think the colts target sherrod or solder.

K TRAIN Did you see McShay's latest mock? He has Steelers taking Orlando Franklin in the first and leaving JIMMY SMITH,ARRON WILLIAMS,BRANDON HARRIS ON THE BOARD!
HE'S ON CRACK LOL:imho:
BEN IJALANA & MARUS CANNON ARE BOTH AVAILABLE BUT WHY REACH WHEN BPA IS JIMMY SMITH.( I like Harris & Williams long term 2 contracts, jimmy's bolting after rookie contract is over)

K Train
03-16-2011, 04:29 PM
orlando franklin...lol

andyg1984
03-16-2011, 06:28 PM
K TRAIN Did you see McShay's latest mock? He has Steelers taking Orlando Franklin in the first and leaving JIMMY SMITH,ARRON WILLIAMS,BRANDON HARRIS ON THE BOARD!
HE'S ON CRACK LOL:imho:
BEN IJALANA & MARUS CANNON ARE BOTH AVAILABLE BUT WHY REACH WHEN BPA IS JIMMY SMITH.( I like Harris & Williams long term 2 contracts, jimmy's bolting after rookie contract is over)

lol .. i think the only thing to really take away from that is suntan man thinks those 3 DB's are on the board ..which would be sick, but i doubt that

andyg1984
03-17-2011, 12:17 AM
Here is Mcshay's theory on the pick ..

Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 12-4 | Top needs: OT/OG, CB, NT, WR, TE
Orlando Franklin, OG, Miami (FL)
Cornerback is a possibility here but Smith might be too much of a character risk, and Aaron Williams of Texas might be better at safety. There are also other options among offensive linemen but Franklin has experience playing guard and tackle, he plays with a chip on his shoulder and employs the kind of physical style the Steelers look for in their offensive linemen.

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I have liked franklin, but no way that early

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his 2nd rd pick for us is Ras ID .. which i would be fine with at 61 ..

he has harris lasting to 42 ..to HOU .. they would haul *** to hand that card in .. lol .. no way he drops that low ..

JollyRob68
03-17-2011, 12:22 AM
Here is Mcshay's theory on the pick ..

Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 12-4 | Top needs: OT/OG, CB, NT, WR, TE
Orlando Franklin, OG, Miami (FL)
Cornerback is a possibility here but Smith might be too much of a character risk, and Aaron Williams of Texas might be better at safety. There are also other options among offensive linemen but Franklin has experience playing guard and tackle, he plays with a chip on his shoulder and employs the kind of physical style the Steelers look for in their offensive linemen.

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I have liked franklin, but no way that early

Gerry Dulac said with the absence of a CBA the Steelers need/should draft 2 CB in the first 3 rounds. No guarantee the will resign Ike.