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SteelDad
02-19-2011, 11:28 AM
Anyone seen this kid out of Nevada? Dontay Moch? He was clocked in the 4.3 neighborhood prior to his senior season and comes off the edge like a mo'fo. Most of the pundits have him going 3rd-4th round. I realize this isn't a 'need' position, but knowing that we almost always take an LB in the draft, he might be a nice selection.

igor0190
02-19-2011, 12:10 PM
NO, we have enough OLB's and had to let Thadd Gibson go this year because were very deep there

andyg1984
02-19-2011, 12:42 PM
he is a little undersized, but i agree - he definitely comes off the ball like a mofo ..

we are going to keep drafting at that position until we get solid depth imo .. im expecting us to draft at least one at the spot ..

tburg68
02-19-2011, 01:12 PM
NO, we have enough OLB's and had to let Thadd Gibson go this year because were very deep there

NO, the Steelers let Gibson go, because they made a stupid personel move, "hoping" that AS would make it back for the playoffs. Even if they knew he would come back, there were several other better options to drop. This one will come back to haunt the Steelers.

JollyRob68
02-19-2011, 02:31 PM
Steelers dropped Gibson because he was behind in the playbook due to his late arrival to the team.(college rules on trimesters put him behind the 8 ball) It was a Stupid release.
Dontay Moch is nice and I can see them snatching him late but I think they need more ILB's not OLB's & xtra DB's(fs/ss/cb).
We need to improve the height,speed & cover skills of our DB's.

cmerrifield
02-19-2011, 02:39 PM
NO, we have enough OLB's and had to let Thadd Gibson go this year because were very deep there

We are very thin there, not deep, we have 1 back-up.

Callax
02-19-2011, 03:59 PM
If this guy is that fast, do you think he could slim down ans cecome a CB/S??
just throwing that out there

SteelDad
02-19-2011, 11:22 PM
Again, just tossing this out there based simply on the fact that we almost ALWAYS pick a backer somewhere in the draft and he seems like a guy who could be a decent reserve guy with speed like that.

Scorp
02-20-2011, 12:22 AM
Whoever we get, it better be a hell of a pick. That's all i'm saying. We need to make a statement big time.

Deviouz1
02-20-2011, 12:35 AM
Whoever we get, it better be a hell of a pick. That's all i'm saying. We need to make a statement big time.

and that statment needs to be made vs the pats. call me crazy but i dont think another LB is going to make that statement.

but setting aside my bitterness for a moment i do love me some linebackers. :tt02:

Mr. Goosemahn
02-20-2011, 02:59 AM
NO, the Steelers let Gibson go, because they made a stupid personel move, "hoping" that AS would make it back for the playoffs. Even if they knew he would come back, there were several other better options to drop. This one will come back to haunt the Steelers.

It wasn't a bad personnel move, it was just the move that needed to be made. We had too many linebackers, and we needed that roster spot for Smith, who at the time had a legitimate chance of returning in the playoffs. People say we needed to cut other guys, but let's evaluate the situation.

He was behind James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, Lawrence Timmons, James Farrior, Larry Foote, Jason Worilds, Keyaron Fox, and Stevenson Sylvester when it came to LB depth.

Gibson wasn't just inactive because he was a rookie, he was inactive because he couldn't provide anything on defense or special teams. He was #4 at OLB, and was never active. Stevenson Sylvester, drafted a round later and being one spot lower on the depth chart at his respective position (#5 behind Farrior, Timmons, Foote, and Fox) was still active for all (or at least almost all) games this season.

He was immediately picked up by San Francisco and has yet to do anything with them. He started playing special teams for him and had 3 tackles there. I hope the Steelers won't regret releasing him, but to be honest, he was never going to start over LaMarr Woodley (assuming he's kept long term), and would not surpass Worilds in the depth chart after Harrison retired, IMO. I know Worilds hasn't done much either, but he has been active and recorded two sacks this past season, one vs. TB and the other vs. Oakland.

Gibson was a risky pick. He had first round athleticism but fifth round production. During his three years at Ohio State, he had 10 sacks and 82 total tackles. That's not impressive at all. I know he didn't have a clear position and consequently had to switch between DE and OLB, but ultimately I think Gibson was a guy who got away with his great athleticism. When it was time to combine that with true football skills, he struggled.


Steelers dropped Gibson because he was behind in the playbook due to his late arrival to the team.(college rules on trimesters put him behind the 8 ball).


Missing mini-camp doesn't affect players as much, but not getting the playbook absolutely does, so you're right. Learning the playbook is essential for a young player's development.

[quote]Dontay Moch is nice and I can see them snatching him late but I think they need more ILB's not OLB's & xtra DB's(fs/ss/cb).

I actually don't think we need to improve our LB depth at all. I still expect us to draft a LB, we always do, but we've got more than good depth right now. We've got an elite group of starters with more than capable backups. Worilds looked good in the limited tim he had, and people also seem to forget that Timmons used to be our #1 OLB backup for a while. He can play OLB in a pinch, with Farrior and Foote inside. Foote is still a good run-stuffer and I'd have no problem seeing him play beside farrior for a few games.

We do need DB's though.

As for Moch, I'm definitely intrigued by his speed, but he doesn't have great size. From the limited clips I've seen of him, he definitely uses his speed well but can push offensive linemen backwards, which I'm not sure if it's a reaction from them to compensate for his speed or him truly pushing him backwards. In any case, we'll know for sure by the end of the week after the combine. I'm just worried that he's a speed-rusher only, because we a prolific college speed rusher, and well, he just didn't work out:

http://static.steelers.com/MediaContent//2008/05/16/07/Davis_bruce_2_89453.jpg


If this guy is that fast, do you think he could slim down ans cecome a CB/S??
just throwing that out there

There are rumors going around that he runs a 4.26, which is just unbelievable. I seriously doubt he'll run that at the combine, but who knows. As for a transition, there is absolutely no way he can switch to CB, at all. The fluidity in the hips and the skills required to excel there are, in all likelihood, completely absent in his skill set. As for a change to safety, that would be more viable, but still unlikely. I'd rather take a safety than a LB if we're looking for one, TBH. Moch will be drafted by another team who'd like to take advantage of his skill set. I, for one, think he'd make a pretty good 43 WLB.

andyg1984
02-20-2011, 12:11 PM
gibson looked good in camp and was more crucial to the long term health of the team than larry foote imo ..