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Black@Gold Forever32
01-15-2011, 11:29 PM
I know I always wish for that top flight LT but just draft an OT for the sole purpose of blocking Suggs since no matter who is at OT for us it seems Suggs makes play after play........Not a great OT draft class at all....

But Derek Sherrod from Miss. State would fit our team best........I like DeMarcus Love from Arkansas but not to early........I think he has the tools but hasn't put it all together yet and maybe never will.......Boom or bust type of player....Darius Morris from Temple, Gabe Carimi from Wisconsin, Matt Reynolds from BYU are some of the other OTs I would look at.......

Marcus Cannon from TCU I don't see as an OT at the NFL level......But wouldn't mind either and think he is Chris Kemoeatu with more talent and smarts......

K Train
01-16-2011, 12:26 AM
cannon is about half as strong as kemo, hes a huge guy that carries himself well and has light feet but his functional strength isnt overwhelming like kemos.

im liking sherrod and carimi....love had a beast bowl game too

steelchamp204
01-16-2011, 12:28 AM
Im not to worried about suggs, yea he had a huge first half, but second half wasnt nearlry as a factor. we need a guard, Not feeling kemo in the run game most the time.But yea anywhere on the ol will be a plus, not trying to say your wrong,.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-16-2011, 12:42 AM
QUOTE=K Train;400646]cannon is about half as strong as kemo, hes a huge guy that carries himself well and has light feet but his functional strength isnt overwhelming like kemos.

im liking sherrod and carimi....love had a beast bowl game too[/QUOTE]

You know I like Love for a long time now..........He has the tools and I think he has tremendous upside......His upside is the highest of any of these OTs.......Will he ever develop as that elite OT is the question........

Sherrod is the safe pick and fits our offense the best........I like Cannon as well and you seem to know more about him then me Ktrain....I only watched a few times this year.......I take your word for it......

K Train
01-16-2011, 12:50 AM
i honestly think carimi went from being pretty overrated to completely underrated, hes joe thomas' replacement and while hes no joe thomas hes a hell of a player. jake long size at 6-7 325+ and some light feet. hes a RT projected player but LT is one of the most overrated positions now and guys like jason smith and andre smith (top 6 picks) are RTs and roger saffold drafted 33rd overall steps in as a rookie and puts jason smith to shame.

there are guys i consider RT only, like cherilus and loadholt...but guys like carimi, last year trent williams, and jake long i see has elite RTs or good-great LTs.

i think carimi projects better to the right as a david stewart type player but he could certainly play on the left for us.

as far as guards go i like pouncey the best, then hudson who is undersized but extremely talented and perfectly sound when it comes to technique and assignments...i bet he missed 3-4 assignments and had less than 5 penalties in 4 years starting. then cannon who could potentially be like shawne andrews as a tackle to guard convert

Black@Gold Forever32
01-16-2011, 01:54 AM
i honestly think carimi went from being pretty overrated to completely underrated, hes joe thomas' replacement and while hes no joe thomas hes a hell of a player. jake long size at 6-7 325+ and some light feet. hes a RT projected player but LT is one of the most overrated positions now and guys like jason smith and andre smith (top 6 picks) are RTs and roger saffold drafted 33rd overall steps in as a rookie and puts jason smith to shame.

there are guys i consider RT only, like cherilus and loadholt...but guys like carimi, last year trent williams, and jake long i see has elite RTs or good-great LTs.

i think carimi projects better to the right as a david stewart type player but he could certainly play on the left for us.

as far as guards go i like pouncey the best, then hudson who is undersized but extremely talented and perfectly sound when it comes to technique and assignments...i bet he missed 3-4 assignments and had less than 5 penalties in 4 years starting. then cannon who could potentially be like shawne andrews as a tackle to guard convert

I understand what you're saying about LT being over-rated......I just would prefer a LT to protect Ben's blind side......Starks back at LT is solid and I would settle for a beast RT no doubt........Camiri isn't Joe Thomas like you said but not many OT's out there like Thomas.......

I would all be for Mike Pouncey in the 2nd....Picking 29-32 is like the 2nd round but I don't value Pouncey as a high 2nd round pick.....More in the mid to late 2nd round....What about the OG from Villanova?

Cannon I like....I have no questions there but I don't think he is OT at the NFL level...I might be wrong but I think he would beast at OG and could play RT at times.....

darnik44
01-16-2011, 10:21 AM
I almost wouldn't mind it if they drafted 7 OT's with the hopes of getting one who can play. Hopefully out of the 7 there would be one who could play left guard and get Kemoeatu the hell out of there. He looks stupid, and plays stupid...must be stupid.

coach
01-16-2011, 10:45 AM
The analysts are having probs ranking the tackles this year. They are all over the place. Who do you guys think are the top 4 tackles. We actually could land a tackle. Not sure if I would pass on whatever DE or DB will be available at that point, but we should see a value pick.

Phdboy2020
01-16-2011, 03:41 PM
I like Pouncey with our first pick as a Guard prospect. I think he could start at either Guard position for us. Plus, who better to play next to than a guy who has been on the O-Line with him since high school. I am really starting to like this Tyron Smith (OT USC) also. I dont think i've ever seen a lineman move like he can. He would have to add 15-20 pounds, but he would be an intriguing prospect maybe in the second round. Another option would be Nate Solder (OT CU), he has great size and moves fairly well for his size.

andyg1984
01-17-2011, 01:33 PM
I almost wouldn't mind it if they drafted 7 OT's with the hopes of getting one who can play. Hopefully out of the 7 there would be one who could play left guard and get Kemoeatu the hell out of there. He looks stupid, and plays stupid...must be stupid.

lmao, i like kemo tho .. same can be said of CB ..

K Train
01-17-2011, 01:38 PM
The analysts are having probs ranking the tackles this year. They are all over the place. Who do you guys think are the top 4 tackles. We actually could land a tackle. Not sure if I would pass on whatever DE or DB will be available at that point, but we should see a value pick.

Derek Sherrod
Gabe Carimi
Demarcus Love
Anthony Castonzo
Nate Solder

Black@Gold Forever32
01-17-2011, 09:03 PM
Derek Sherrod
Gabe Carimi
Demarcus Love
Anthony Castonzo
Nate Solder

I rather have Matt Reynolds then Castonzo......But agree with that list and order for the most part.....:yellowthumb:

darnik44
01-17-2011, 10:13 PM
I like Pouncey with our first pick as a Guard prospect. I think he could start at either Guard position for us. Plus, who better to play next to than a guy who has been on the O-Line with him since high school. I am really starting to like this Tyron Smith (OT USC) also. I dont think i've ever seen a lineman move like he can. He would have to add 15-20 pounds, but he would be an intriguing prospect maybe in the second round. Another option would be Nate Solder (OT CU), he has great size and moves fairly well for his size.

Looking long term, Mike Pouncey might be the best pick the Steelers could make. Line him up next to Maurkice for the next 12+ years. Sign Mike to a 10 year contract to assure they get Maurkice signed long term...

cmerrifield
01-17-2011, 10:23 PM
Looking long term, Mike Pouncey might be the best pick the Steelers could make. Line him up next to Maurkice for the next 12+ years. Sign Mike to a 10 year contract to assure they get Maurkice signed long term...

Cant sign him for 10 years, there is limits to how long a pick can be signed and in the first round after like the first 5 picks is 5 years and the new CBA will have rookie salary caps, so as good as that sounds, it wont be possible.

K Train
01-17-2011, 10:31 PM
if we got the pounceys theyd be here for a long time

cmerrifield
01-17-2011, 10:44 PM
I would prefer we sign Gaither and draft a RG either Pouncey or someone better, but preferably Pouncey so they both stay as K Train said.

darnik44
01-17-2011, 10:47 PM
Cant sign him for 10 years, there is limits to how long a pick can be signed and in the first round after like the first 5 picks is 5 years and the new CBA will have rookie salary caps, so as good as that sounds, it wont be possible.

sarcasm

cmerrifield
01-17-2011, 11:03 PM
sarcasm

Oh, missed that, my bad

JollyRob68
01-18-2011, 05:08 PM
Reynolds went back to school.

MDSteel15
01-18-2011, 06:42 PM
This is the way I have them rated as OL for us to take in the first:

1.Gabe Carimi
2.Nate Solder
3.Derek Sherrod
4.Mike Pouncey
5.Demarcus Love

but I agree, I hope we sign Jared Gaither and fill another hole such as DB! :bunny:


Unless SteelChamp204 gets his wish and we get Nnamdi... :crossfingers:

andyg1984
01-18-2011, 09:23 PM
pouncey 2 is going to be overdrafted imo .. i don't think we will have a shot ..

i wonder how many spots he has moved up from staying his senior year between this weaker draft + his twin brother being an absolute stud

StevieRayVol
01-20-2011, 03:19 AM
I thought Love was a pretty good OT too..Until he got abused by Cameron Heyward in The Sugar Bowl...Never know though..Heyward is a MAN among boys...

cmerrifield
01-20-2011, 11:48 AM
Kiper, who I think might know less about the draft than me, has us taking Tyron Smith from USC first round. I dont see him on very many people's top 5 OT lists, so who is this guy? and what makes Kiper think he will be our 1st rounder?

StevieRayVol
01-20-2011, 12:00 PM
Well with the possibility of losing Starks for good with a neck injury, the status of Colon's injury..We need OT's Bad...One player who I think will help on the offensive line is Chris Scott in time...He was an all SEC player at UT...A lot better than Ramon Foster...Maybe he helps out in time at Tackle or Guard...

Black@Gold Forever32
01-20-2011, 02:26 PM
Love is far from a finished product....He has all the ability to be a great OT but will he put it all together.....I have liked DeMarcus Love for a long time but I wouldn't draft him in the first round......

Derek Sherrod fits our offense the best.......I wouldn't be against Solder or Camiri but overall this isn't a great OT class at all........

JollyRob68
01-22-2011, 01:02 PM
This is the way I have them rated as OL for us to take in the first:

1.Gabe Carimi
2.Nate Solder
3.Derek Sherrod
4.Mike Pouncey
5.Demarcus Love

but I agree, I hope we sign Jared Gaither and fill another hole such as DB! :bunny:


Unless SteelChamp204 gets his wish and we get Nnamdi... :crossfingers:

Didnt Gather have a back issu and is on IR? I'd sign him if he checked out Medically. They should get a Nasty Dominating Guard and try to pick up a tackle. If Starks returns Healthy they can also moke Jonathan Scott to the Right side. I'll be checking out the East West shrine game for sleepers O/D Lineman tonight.

K Train
01-22-2011, 06:45 PM
gaithers back problems are pretty closely related to his relationship with harbaugh, oher, and his contract situation

coach
01-22-2011, 09:47 PM
Looks like Pouncey, Solder and Costanzo are in top 25 right now and won't fall to us at 29-32 if Mayock nailed it. If he did, and we have the following choices, below, do you go O-line, DB or D-line in first?

Which position can we afford to leave to the 2nd round? If we leave either O-line or D-line to 2nd we could still get a quality player, but the top quality CBs will be gone by time we pick in second.

If we do that, it means our CB won't come until 3rd or later (unless we take Brandon Harris or Aaron Williams in first). I have a feeling this is what is going to happen though.

I will wait until the UA All Star game to see whether I prefer O line or D line but I think I like Carimi on O-line right now.


Guard/center:

1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
2. Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State
3. Danny Watkins, Baylor
4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
T-5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State
T-5. William Rackley, Lehigh


Tackle:

1. Nate Solder, Colorado
2. Anthony Castanzo, Boston College
3. Tyron Smith, Southern California
4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
T-5. Ben Ijalana, Villanova
T-5. Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State

Top 25 0verall:

*1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, DT: A dominant interior defender with outstanding physical tools. He has the ability to play with finesse or power against the run or pass. Questions about his motor could affect his status at the top of the board, but after watching his sensational performance against Oregon in the BCS National Championship Game it will be hard to ignore his potential as franchise player.

*2. Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson, DE: A phenomenal athlete with outstanding speed and quickness. He has natural rush skills off the edge, and made dramatic improvements over the course of the season. With his best football still ahead, Bowers is poised to come off the board quickly on draft day.

*3. A.J. Green, Georgia, WR: A big-play receiver with outstanding overall skills. He shows rare polish at the position, and has the potential to be an impact playmaker from Day 1. If he passes the eyeball test in workouts and interviews, he could vault to the top of the board.

*4. Patrick Peterson, LSU, CB: A natural cover corner with exceptional physical tools. He can play from press or off, and shows a natural feel for the position. Throw in his dynamic ability as a returner, and scouts are salivating over his outstanding skill set.

*5. Marcell Dareus, Alabama, DT: A rugged defensive tackle with excellent skills. He shows good strength and power at the point of attack, and possesses enough athleticism to slip through cracks when used on the move. With dominant interior defenders coveted at a premium, Dareus will intrigue teams looking for an instant impact on defense.

*6. Robert Quinn, North Carolina, DE: An explosive pass rusher with rare speed and quickness. Though he missed the season due to a suspension, scouts will fall in love with him once they view his film from the previous season. If he works out well during the spring, he could rise quickly up draft boards.

7. Prince Amukamara, Nebraska, CB: A crafty corner with good speed, quickness and athleticism. His skill set translates well into any system, and he is one of the few polished cover corners in the draft.

8. Nate Solder, Colorado, OT: An athletic offensive tackle with good feet and movement skills. Although he is not a physical or aggressive blocker at the point of attack, his athleticism makes him an ideal left tackle.

9. Von Miller, Texas A&M, OLB: A dynamic edge rusher with explosive speed and quickness off the edge. His sudden first-step puts immediate pressure on offensive tackles, and his evolving arsenal of rush moves has made him the premier 3-4 pass rusher in this draft. With more teams moving to the high-pressure scheme, Miller will be a highly valued prospect.

10. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa, DE: A talented pass rusher with good quickness and athleticism. He shows natural skills off the edge, and has the ability to take over a game. Although his motor doesn't run high at all times, his occasional flashes of brilliance make him an intriguing prospect.

11. Cameron Jordan, California, DE: An athletic five-technique with an outstanding motor. He is relentless in his approach, and outworks blockers at the point of attack. Throw in his strength, power and athleticism, and it becomes evident why he is an intriguing prospect as a 3-4 defensive end.

*12. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, QB: A strong-armed quarterback with good instincts and intangibles. He struggled down the stretch, so his lofty status on draft boards could fall upon further review. Regardless, he is one of the top quarterbacks available in the draft, and he will carry a solid first-round grade based on his potential.

*13. Cam Newton, Auburn, QB: A big, talented playmaker with exceptional physical tools. He possesses rare size, strength and athleticism for the position, and made tremendous strides as a passer over the course of the season. While some of his production has been inflated due to Auburn's spread system, few can match his arm strength from the pocket. Questions about his character will also affect his status, but his winning pedigree and big-game performances will make it tough for teams to pass on his talent.

*14. Julio Jones, Alabama, WR: Dynamic receiver with excellent size and skills. He looks like a classic No. 1 receiver on film, and could blossom into a Pro Bowl performer. With big, talented receivers desired in most offensive systems, Jones will carry solid first-round grades on all boards across the league.

*15. Corey Liuget, Illinois, DT: A talented interior defender with good strength and power. He effectively occupies double teams at the point, and flashes sneaky athleticism while slipping through cracks. Although his sudden emergence will lead to a potential "one-year wonder" tag, he is too talented to pass up in the first round.

16. Stephen Paea, Oregon State, DT: Big run-stopper with outstanding strength and power. He routinely stuffs runs at the point of attack, and is an immovable anchor in the middle of the defense. Given the lack of true run-stoppers available, Paea will be a sought after prospect.

*17. Akeem Ayers, UCLA, OLB: An athletic linebacker with outstanding instincts, awareness and versatility. He is capable of playing multiple spots on the second level, and is a legitimate playmaker. Given his speed and quickness, he looks like a nice fit in a 4-3 scheme.

18. Mike Pouncey, Florida, C/G: An athletic interior blocker with excellent movement skills. He shows good instincts and awareness, and is capable of making all of the calls along the line. Given his ability to log snaps at center or guard, Pouncey should be an instant starter as a pro.

19. Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue, DE: A high-motor rusher with an explosive first step. He is relentless off the edge, and routinely wins with his effort and energy. Although he still needs to develop a more complete array of rush moves, his blue-collar mentality will lead to success on the next level.

20. Anthony Castonzo, Boston College, OT: A polished technician with good feet, balance and body control. He excels in the running game, and is capable of thriving in a man or zone-based blocking scheme. Given the successful tradition of Boston College offensive linemen, Castonzo will be viewed as a safe pick at the bottom of the first round.

*21. Mark Ingram, Alabama, RB: A physical runner with exceptional feet, quickness and vision. He shows an outstanding feel for finding cracks in the defense, and his rugged style allows him to run through tackles in the hole. He might not be an every-down back on the next level, but his skills will intrigue teams looking for a dependable front-line runner.

*22. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas, QB: He might be the most talented passer in the draft. He can make all of the throws from the pocket, and shows good accuracy and touch on intermediate and deep passes. While his prickly personality and questionable mobility will cause some concern, Mallett will be a tempting prospect for teams in desperate need of a quarterback.

23. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin, OT: A big, physical blocker with the strength to move defenders off the ball. He excels in the running game, and appears to be an ideal right tackle prospect. He will need to show better footwork and movement skills in pass protection during workouts, but he is a solid player with the potential to come off the board at the end of the first round.

*24. Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple, DT: A big-time player who is creating a buzz. He has the ability to play anywhere on the line in a 3-4 front, and scouts are salivating over his potential to dominate on the next level. He has been coached by former pro assistant Jethro Franklin, so he should enter the league well schooled on the fundamentals of playing the position at a high level. Look for Wilkerson to skyrocket up draft boards after scouts take a closer look at his tape.

25. Cameron Heyward, Ohio State, DE: He was regarded as a bit of an enigma heading into his senior season, but seemingly silenced his detractors with his solid play throughout the year. As one of the most talented players at the position, he has tremendous upside as a base end, and is an intriguing prospect carrying a late first-round grade at this point.

JollyRob68
01-23-2011, 02:31 AM
gaithers back problems are pretty closely related to his relationship with harbaugh, oher, and his contract situation

If he's fine lets get him and Draft a quality guard who can start as a Rookie.

--- Added 1/23/2011 at 12:31 AM ---

If OT and Pouncey are gone take a top Dline or CB in first and Oline in 2nd. Remember we signed Donavan Warren.