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steelchamp204
11-01-2010, 12:50 AM
And we cant even get a td, Idk whats going on with our smoashmouth game when it comes down to it but this almsot made me throw up in my mouth when we didnt covert. Why couldnt we just qb sneak ben on the first play? Or get Heath involved in the redzone since he is pretty much ignored all season and has good hands (except for the fumble), but seriously this was such a frustrating game to watch offensively, The defense played great until the end because they are worn out from the offense always going 3 and out or only having 6 play drives, thats it. And these screens out to hines as soon as the ball is hiked, Hines is not a 4.3 receiver, I mean seriously wtf is arians thinking

BlitzburghRockCity
11-01-2010, 12:55 AM
There is no excuse not to use play action down there after you don't make it on 1st and goal. You use it and Heath is wide open in the end zone for a TD!

BlitzburghRockCity
11-01-2010, 01:06 AM
If you're going to run down there, then you run right behind the Center and Guard. Ben could have sneaked it in there on first and goal. Running behind Legursky and Flozell with DJ Johnson's epic failure blocking, you have no chance.

When you have first and goal being that close, there is no excuse not get a TD..no excuse.

Real Deal Steel
11-01-2010, 02:03 AM
Ben should have done the QB sneak on first down. It was a no brainer. But again...F#CKING ARIANS PLAYCALLING COST US A GAME! I am so pissed by this game.

SteelJunkie
11-01-2010, 02:34 AM
Its all on the play calling 1st and 3rd down were both on the foot line, there is no excuse not to do a QB sneak on one of those. Offense as a whole played poorly, but the play calling could have been a lot better.

DanRooney
11-01-2010, 02:37 AM
Ben is behind Pouncey. I would have did a QB sneak on first, second, third and fourth down if he didn't make it on the other 3. What are the chances he doesn't go 6 inches on four plays?

Arians is an idiot no doubt. But having him here makes Tomlin a bigger idiot. Especially with his poor challenge success rate, poor clock management, and inability to play better talent on the bench.

super cleats
11-01-2010, 03:00 AM
i know this is a wierd way to look at it.

a babys johnson is like an inch long... you telling me WE cant MOVE a FCKING INCH.

Arians needs to go, maybe when dallas fires wade we can hire him as an offensive co-ordinator, at least he does some decent stuff.

jnes1216
11-01-2010, 03:09 AM
Wade Phillips blows your one inch johnson. He comes from a defensive minded background I thought. Jason Garrett is the O coord. there, who may be the odd man out when Jerry Jones quits looking at himself in the new hi def jumbo tron and decides to pull the trigger. Spec teams coach may be the interim coach from the nfl scuttlebutt. Garrett may be pissed enough to walk at the end of the year. Not sayin I want Garrett here, just sayin'

super cleats
11-01-2010, 03:11 AM
Wade Phillips blows your one inch johnson. He comes from a defensive minded background I thought. Jason Garrett is the O coord. there, who may be the odd man out when Jerry Jones quits looking at himself in the new hi def jumbo tron and decides to pull the trigger. Spec teams coach may be the interim coach from the nfl scuttlebutt. Garrett may be pissed enough to walk at the end of the year. Not sayin I want Garrett here, just sayin'

thats the dude, garrett is pretty good, lets put the cowgirl hate aside for one second and be realistic lol, he's a lot better than arians lol.

jnes1216
11-01-2010, 03:25 AM
I'd take Malzahn from Auburn for new OC

Dean Denton
11-01-2010, 03:45 AM
Bruce isn't going to leave. I'm telling you we are stuck with the guy. Dont blame it all on him, Tomlin knows what plays he's calling, and if he didn't like it, he would change it. We should have been able to stuff that in, but the Saints held up and stuff that weak ****. We did it to them later in the game. Did ya guys really think the Saints would drop two games at home back to back?....come on man!!!!!

jnes1216
11-01-2010, 03:56 AM
Bruce isn't going to leave. I'm telling you we are stuck with the guy. Dont blame it all on him, Tomlin knows what plays he's calling, and if he didn't like it, he would change it. We should have been able to stuff that in, but the Saints held up and stuff that weak ****. We did it to them later in the game. Did ya guys really think the Saints would drop two games at home back to back?....come on man!!!!!

Yes I did think they could drop two at home. Miller doesn't fumble and it could have been a different outcome. We would have had the ball at their what.. 30, 35. That defender looked like he threw in a blind shoulder to me to cough it up. We're driving after Brees fumbles, some points there would have been crucial.

Dean Denton
11-01-2010, 04:05 AM
Yes I did think they could drop two at home. Miller doesn't fumble and it could have been a different outcome. We would have had the ball at their what.. 30, 35. That defender looked like he threw in a blind shoulder to me to cough it up. We're driving after Brees fumbles, some points there would have been crucial.Good teams find ways to win, and tonight it was the Saints. As the great Bruce Nolan once said, "thats the way the cookie crumbles"...:)

Danger DANJ
11-01-2010, 06:56 AM
I watched it a bunch of times and I still say Mendy broke the plain on 2nd and goal before his shoulder hit the turf.

harpo
11-01-2010, 09:10 AM
Did ya guys really think the Saints would drop two games at home back to back?....come on man!!!!!

I said it last week....the Saints were not going to lose 2 in a row at home. It just wasn't going to happen.

coldrolled
11-01-2010, 10:51 AM
I watched it a bunch of times and I still say Mendy broke the plain on 2nd and goal before his shoulder hit the turf.

the ball was completely on the white line... it was a TD..

does El suck at punt returns or are we playing against the best punters in the NFl the last few weeks??

RIVERS OF STEEL
11-01-2010, 11:07 AM
It wasn't the Saints good football. Miller, Reed and BA gave it away. I think Tomlin was using last years playbook with Ben at the helm too. Man what a ****** football game. The team looked like it didn't even want to be in Nawlins.

coldrolled
11-01-2010, 11:14 AM
Bruce isn't going to leave.


Correct.. he wont leave, you need to Fire Him... What a sad waste of time he is.

LatrobePA
11-01-2010, 11:17 AM
Something has to be done after this season...He's a **** poor OC!

steelersbabex25
11-01-2010, 11:19 AM
the ball was completely on the white line... it was a TD..

does El suck at punt returns or are we playing against the best punters in the NFl the last few weeks??

Sanders needs to start being the punt returner 100% of the time. He always makes things happen. The more you give the ball to him, the better he's going to get.

The first and goal at the inch was absolutely unreal. Those are the kind of things that might kill the Steelers in the end. You get a touchdown called back like that, you say no problem, go down the field, give it to Redman or Ben and let one of them pound it in. Not a big deal. But somehow they managed to screw it up.

On the other hand, Tomlin probably should have challenged the ruling on the field that Mendenhall was stopped short. It sure looked to be that the ball crossed the goal line.

steelchamp204
11-01-2010, 11:23 AM
also it seems ike it takes the offense to get into rythym way to long, You cant be throwing outside screens to Hines, it never works, if your going to run the wr screen its gotta be to wallace or sanders, and the mendehall screens worked well lastnight "how about running them to slow up the passrush bruce?" I mean seriously, the oline was horendous and Ben never has time to pass the ball, I wihs just for one season we could have a line close to what Brady's got and then we would see the true Ben. Pouncey is doing a wonderful job and kamu but everyone else just isnt gettin into sync. The defnse needed a pickup lastnight from the offense and didnt get it at all so the saints lastdrive wasnt the d's fault when they are on the field it seems like ALL the time. We are very lucky to not be 4-3 right now or worse. Our offense needs to get there heads out of there asses and start contributing more than what they are. Mendenhall running to the outside isnt goingt to work, that **** only works in college football, run behin the center and guards. Its just pathetic.

SteelDad
11-01-2010, 03:45 PM
I watched it a bunch of times and I still say Mendy broke the plain on 2nd and goal before his shoulder hit the turf.

It was definitely a score, but Tomlin had already used a challenge (a really stupid challenge IMO) and didn't seem ready to lose his last one before halftime.

cmerrifield
11-01-2010, 04:13 PM
The irony is that we did QB sneaks all the time behind Hartwig and he was BAD, now we have a real center and we use our RB's on 1st and 6 inches. Also, Ben is 6'5" and listed at 240. He probably could have moved the ball 6 inches without blockers.

jnes1216
11-01-2010, 04:26 PM
The irony is that we did QB sneaks all the time behind Hartwig and he was BAD, now we have a real center and we use our RB's on 1st and 6 inches. Also, Ben is 6'5" and listed at 240. He probably could have moved the ball 6 inches without blockers.

Yes I agree. He may have caught some flack from someone higher up telling him not to expose Ben to injury, like the controversial play in Miami where Ben said it was a very hard hit.:2cents: But a QB sneak behind the center is a lot different than last weeks play.

Or maybe BA's play calls are from an old soduku game and he just flings them out willy nilly.

ItAintEasyBeingPeazy
11-01-2010, 09:37 PM
This particular series still drives me crazy..I just so happened to be sitting in that endzone when all of this went down..i thought for sure the sneak was coming, ..check out this pic i took right before they ran the play..you telling me Ben couldn't fall over that much??...

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q294/Avenger500/QBsneak.jpg

Goodfrom55
11-01-2010, 10:08 PM
There is no excuse not to use play action down there after you don't make it on 1st and goal. You use it and Heath is wide open in the end zone for a TD!

Agree, granted Mendy did cross the goalline on the 2nd down carry. They were completely sellling out the run, play action would have been wide open.

--- Added 11/1/2010 at 08:08 PM ---

Endzone seats are the BEST; provide the best views of the play developing, etc.

I was crying for a QB sneak over the Wooly Mammoth Kemo. 2 yard line, hand it off, 6 inch line, keep it.

Troyisabeast_43
11-01-2010, 10:27 PM
It was definitely a score, but Tomlin had already used a challenge (a really stupid challenge IMO) and didn't seem ready to lose his last one before halftime.

Whoever gave Tomlin the right away upstairs in the both to challenge that play there in the first quarter where the guys knee was clearly down before the ball came out if that indeed was the case should be fired immediately because it wasnt even close to being a fumble. And if it was Tomlin himself who chose to challenge it by looking up at what he saw on the scoreboard then Tomlin needs to have his ****ing eyes checked because he apparently has some vision problems. That challenge was so ****ing ridiculous and inexcusable there was absolutely no defending it what so ever. And like you mentioned youre probably right since he only had one challenge left it was too risky to challenge the Mendenhall possible TD on that drive where El didnt get in and risk not having any challenges left for the rest of the game. These are simple easy things to see and things you cannot afford to screw up when youre playing a team like the Saints on the road when every single play matters. Tomlin's challenge usage and clock management skills need a lot of work because the last few weeks they have been beyond terrible.

steelersbabex25
11-01-2010, 11:21 PM
Whoever gave Tomlin the right away upstairs in the both to challenge that play there in the first quarter where the guys knee was clearly down before the ball came out if that indeed was the case should be fired immediately because it wasnt even close to being a fumble. And if it was Tomlin himself who chose to challenge it by looking up at what he saw on the scoreboard then Tomlin needs to have his ****ing eyes checked because he apparently has some vision problems. That challenge was so ****ing ridiculous and inexcusable there was absolutely no defending it what so ever. And like you mentioned youre probably right since he only had one challenge left it was too risky to challenge the Mendenhall possible TD on that drive where El didnt get in and risk not having any challenges left for the rest of the game. These are simple easy things to see and things you cannot afford to screw up when youre playing a team like the Saints on the road when every single play matters. Tomlin's challenge usage and clock management skills need a lot of work because the last few weeks they have been beyond terrible.

It was his elbow but AGREED. Dumbest challenge ever. The commentators were talking about how Tomlin rarely challenges play..NOW I SEE WHY. :cursin:

BlacknGoldAC
11-01-2010, 11:51 PM
There is no excuse not to use play action down there after you don't make it on 1st and goal. You use it and Heath is wide open in the end zone for a TD!

I was saying the same thing! Works in Madden every time. :yellowthumb:

Real Deal Steel
11-02-2010, 12:28 AM
Also, I thought Redman specialty was goal line situations. Why wasn't Redman even brought in??

The correct call was for Ben to do the sneak and get in. Period. But they didn't even give Redman a shot. So what's the purpose of a goal line specialist if he isn't brought in?

I swear to god that play calling is going to give me an ulcer.

Dobre Shunka
11-02-2010, 05:33 AM
Tried Redzone Redman, he was stuffed right before the play where Mendy may have got the TD and the one our coach should have challenged, not the other bogus crapola.

What were they thinking, if at all?

Argh...

woshianiua
11-02-2010, 03:26 PM
Arians is an idiot no doubt. But having him here makes Tomlin a bigger idiot. Especially with his poor challenge success rate, poor clock management, and inability to play better talent on the bench.