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DanRooney
06-10-2010, 04:42 AM
Why won't Steelers extend Tomlin?

By Bob Smizik | Thursday, 12:15 a.m.
http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs ... fault.aspx

Are the Steelers unhappy with the job performance of Super Bowl-winning coach Mike Tomlin?

Strange as that might seen, it appears to be the case.

Historically, the Steelers have extended their coach when there were two years remaining on his contract. That is where Tomlin stands with his original contract with the Steelers. Yet there is little or no movement towards extending Tomlin, whose team failed to make the playoffs last season after winning the Super Bowl the previous year.

In his weekly chat at post-gazette.com Tuesday, Ed Bouchette shed some light on what was going on.

When Bouchette was asked if the team president Art Rooney was waiting to see how the upcoming season goes, Bouchette answered, ``There is no talk of any talks going on and the longer it lingers, the less likely it wMike Tomlinill get done.’’

A subsequent questioner mentioned the lack of negotiations and asked, `` Most people think that is because the Steelers are resistant to extending the deal, however, could it be that Tomlin's salary demands are too high?’’

Bouchette’s response was revealing. ``I don’t think the conversation has gotten anywhere near salary.’’

And, finally, this question: ``Which is more likely the CBA getting extended or Tomlin getting a new deal?’’

To which, Bouchette answered, ``I think we'll hit 2011 before either happens.’’

I’m not suggesting Bouchette as omnipotent in these matters, but his handle among the media is as good as any and better than almost, if not, all.

So what’s the problem? Why have the Steelers resisted extending a coach, who, if he were on the open market, would have suitors galore?

A hint of what the problem is might have come out when Santonio Holmes was traded. In some of the reporting of that trade, it was revealed that Holmes had been late for team meetings. Note the plural. How is it that a player is late for more than one meeting? Who does Holmes think he is? Plaxico Burress?

I was shocked when I read that Holmes had been tardy. I know it happens, but to happen multiple times on the Steelers -- where the coach knows ownership always has his back -- could be considered the sign of a team with discipline that is too lax.

I further learned, and this is hard to believe but it comes from a good source, that players were showing up late for flights. And Tomlin was accommodating their tardiness by holding the plane.

If that’s the kind of ship Tomlin is running, it’s perfectly understandable Rooney is hesitant to extend his contract.

In the aftermath of the recent disappointing season, where the Steelers too often relied on the passing of Ben Roethlisberger, Rooney let it be known he wanted to see a more efficient running game next season.

Maybe that’s not the only thing Rooney wants to see next season. Maybe he wants to see a coach more firmly in control of his team. That could have been, in part, the reason for trading Holmes. If Holmes were a flagrant rule-breaker, Rooney assisted Tomlin in re-establishing discipline by removing the problem from the team.

The last thing the Steelers want to do is not rehire Tomlin. No team in sports understand the importance of continuity. The Steelers, in fact, has shown the sporting world the importance of continuity. Tomlin has the makings of an excellent coach and the Steelers would love to have him here for decades.

But not if he can’t establish discipline on his own team.

--- Added 6/10/2010 at 03:42 AM ---

Notice "I was shocked when I read that Holmes had been tardy. I know it happens, but to happen multiple times on the Steelers -- where the coach knows ownership always has his back -- could be considered the sign of a team with discipline that is too lax."

Oh come on now guys...it's not Tomlin's job to babysit. :yesnod:

Owned? :yellowthumb:

JensK
06-10-2010, 05:34 AM
You can come and say "Owned" when he is gone. Rooney have also said that they want Tomlin to be the coach in Pittsburgh for a long long time, so i really do not think you should read too much into it yet. Steelers don't really handle these things like they used to anymore.

cmerrifield
06-10-2010, 06:58 AM
There is a new team president now, has anyone even considered that? Maybe Art has always hated the way his dad has done certain things. Maybe they are waiting to see what happens with Colbert? Maybe if Colbert leaves they will give Tomlin more direct roster control? There are way too many maybes to even speculate about this.

K Train
06-10-2010, 08:27 AM
i think maybe a 2 year extension is warranted but they have no ties to him, hes shown to be a mediocre coach and pretends to be a hard *** at the teams expense. his drafting leaves much to be desired and he HAS to know that hes being a pussy with the arians situation....really that needs to change before i gain any respect for tomlin. i dont think he can (like cowher) build a championship roster or gameplan like a top coach. guys like himself, rex ryan, sean payton, jim caldwell have shown that rookie coaches can be successful, they really don have to keep him, theres gonna be a line of people that want this job

coldrolled
06-10-2010, 08:40 AM
i think maybe a 2 year extension is warranted but they have no ties to him, hes shown to be a mediocre coach and pretends to be a hard *** at the teams expense. his drafting leaves much to be desired and he HAS to know that hes being a pussy with the arians situation....really that needs to change before i gain any respect for tomlin. i dont think he can (like cowher) build a championship roster or gameplan like a top coach. guys like himself, rex ryan, sean payton, jim caldwell have shown that rookie coaches can be successful, they really don have to keep him, theres gonna be a line of people that want this job

He will let Arians take him down....

tomlin needed to remove BA last year after the last game.
or after the browns game.

IMO - its just the nature of the business... :grin1:

JensK
06-10-2010, 08:43 AM
Tomlin is most likely going to get a year or two more to prove his worth. Hes still got a positive record, hes been in the POs 2 out of 3 years, and he is 3-1 in the POs. Its really hard to ignore those facts. With that being said, he needs to show he is the leader of this team now, and make the most of those draft picks hes gotten. If he can get something good going within a year or two, i see them locking him up for quite a few years, if not, he is not really Steelers material.

BlitzburghRockCity
06-10-2010, 08:52 AM
The Rooney's shouldn't be in any hurry to extend Tomlin here. He's got 2 years left on his deal, he has to prove that he can build a championship team first. He inherited just such a team when he got here and basically all he had to do was sprinkle in some key additions at LB, RB, and replace some coaches that needed to go, and he Viola` you got yourself a win in SB XLIII. Now the real problems are starting to show and this is where Tomlin will make his mark one way or the other. The veterans on this team are aging on defense especially and people aren't as healthy as they used to be. Ziggy Hood needs to step up and be counted on in the playing time he gets. Polamalu has to stay healthy, Clark needs to stop going for the homerun hit every time, Farrior doesn't have much left in the tank either. There is absolutely no reason that Pouncey should not be starting at Center when the regular season opens. He's your #1 draft pick, get his butt in there.

Bringing back guys like Foote and El are good bandaids for another year or 2 to buy him some time to get more bodies in here but sooner or later his draft picks are going to have to step up. Hines isn't going to last more than another year or 2 at the most. Wallace was money last year and hopefully he continues that trend but beyond that we have a whole lot of question marks on this team still at WR. Bringing back McFadden was a brilliant move, and he'll solidify that secondary as long as Troy can stay healthy.

As far as coaches go, Arians has got to go, how he continues to defend him is beyond me. It's a no brainer, Arians wants to throw throw throw and our lack of 3rd down conversions especially in short yardage is terrible. If we don't run the ball, we're gonna be sitting here next year (if there is a next year at this point) saying the same thing. You need to have a FB in there in front of Mendenhall to take the pressure off whoever is going to be the QB for atleast the first month of the season. I don't care who they pick, none of them can do what Ben does in pressure situations behind the line that we have. The offensive line, yeah we all know their problems. The debacle with the Starks contract was ridiculous and it's taken them how long to finally just maybe now, find a solid interior offensive group with Kemo, Pouncey, and Essex. Colon should have been a Guard all along but he's adequate enough at RT now. This group just cannot seem to get it together, whether it's personnel or coaching or both. Perhaps the new OL coach will help. You live and die by your OL, and so far we've been dying more than living.

All in all, Tomlin has a lot of work to do before he should be offered a new deal.

K Train
06-10-2010, 08:53 AM
oh yeah bringing back cowhers boys cause you cant build up a roster is a bad way to do it

JensK
06-10-2010, 08:54 AM
You are pretty spot on tg (i'll still call you tg.. much faster to type :P), but im pretty sure hes only got one year left on the contract.

LatrobePA
06-10-2010, 08:55 AM
He will let Arians take him down....

tomlin needed to remove BA last year after the last game.
or after the browns game.

IMO - its just the nature of the business... :grin1:



I agree! Tomlin gave too much freedom to this worthless bastard and now his *** is on the line IMO. This could be a make or break year for Tomlin!

Steel Trap86
06-10-2010, 09:45 AM
I liked Tomlin when he first got here, but the "unleash hell" statement he made before we f*cking plummeted, shows he has minimal control in the locker room and like everybody else said, Bruce Arians is still the OC. Why he is still here is beyond me, run sack pass punt. I thought he was gone for sure after that display in cleveland that ultimately cost us the playoffs, not to mention 9 SACKS LOL. how does he get away with that ****?


oh yeah bringing back cowhers boys cause you cant build up a roster is a bad way to do it

this is another good point too, all of a sudden all cowhers guys are returning, which I'm not against, but lets see the guy do some good drafting and build up his own roster.

This season I don't think we'll be as bad as some think though. Ben is going to be on a rampage when he gets back, Mendenhall & Wallace are probably dying to tear **** up and with the addition of Pouncey on the line, Polamolu, Smith & Macfadden all returning, I think we're still in pretty good shape, but Dixon or Leftwich has to get us at least 2 out of 4

coldrolled
06-10-2010, 09:55 AM
Steel trap, i think the FO needs to get us one of these still... a Safety, WR, or CB UFA ... a quality guy.. there are only a few available... imo

Real Deal Steel
06-10-2010, 11:29 AM
There is a new team president now, has anyone even considered that? Maybe Art has always hated the way his dad has done certain things. Maybe they are waiting to see what happens with Colbert? Maybe if Colbert leaves they will give Tomlin more direct roster control? There are way too many maybes to even speculate about this.

I totally agree. There are sooo many things on the table right now and they have to be handled based on their prirority or urgency. Draft picks signed, new President fitting in and etc. etc. This is much ado about nothing. Mr. T will be here long term.

nuclearchihuahuas
06-10-2010, 12:59 PM
I totally agree. There are sooo many things on the table right now and they have to be handled based on their prirority or urgency. Draft picks signed, new President fitting in and etc. etc. This is much ado about nothing. Mr. T will be here long term.

Just curious to those more knowledgeable...if Tomlin's contract is due to expire and Bill Cowher is willing to return to coaching...any possibility Cowher comes back?:tt02:

K Train
06-10-2010, 01:01 PM
Just curious to those more knowledgeable...if Tomlin's contract is due to expire and Bill Cowher is willing to return to coaching...any possibility Cowher comes back?:tt02:

steelers want nothing to do with cowher....he dicked them over. hes certainly waiting for the carolina job to open up. id be SO MAD if they even tried to bring cowher back, he was never that good. most overrated name out there right now

nuclearchihuahuas
06-10-2010, 01:19 PM
steelers want nothing to do with cowher....he dicked them over. hes certainly waiting for the carolina job to open up. id be SO MAD if they even tried to bring cowher back, he was never that good. most overrated name out there right now

How did he "dick them over"?

ejsteeler
06-10-2010, 01:57 PM
Liked Cower, like Tomlin. I'm not worried. New management style in place, as already stated, so traditional thinking is out the door for now until Art II proves otherwise.

K Train
06-10-2010, 02:21 PM
How did he "dick them over"?

they stuck with him through 15 years of mediocre coaching and tons of heartache....no other team does that...none. then he wins a superbowl, gets lazy, doesnt care about the team, "retires" with 2 years left on his deal and publicly criticizes every chance he gets to cause an uproar. now he dangles himself out there as the best coach thats ever lived and will probably come in and make $10 million as a coach for stint 2 but all he is is a big name and he will be asked to build up a franchise in shambles and imo will fail cause thats not his thing, hes a motivator and a TV personality as he has a huge chin and spits on people.

jnes1216
06-10-2010, 03:02 PM
they stuck with him through 15 years of mediocre coaching and tons of heartache....no other team does that...none. then he wins a superbowl, gets lazy, doesnt care about the team, "retires" with 2 years left on his deal and publicly criticizes every chance he gets to cause an uproar. now he dangles himself out there as the best coach thats ever lived and will probably come in and make $10 million as a coach for stint 2 but all he is is a big name and he will be asked to build up a franchise in shambles and imo will fail cause thats not his thing, hes a motivator and a TV personality as he has a huge chin and spits on people.

9 Division championships in 15 years with Brister, Neil ODonnell, Kordell, and Maddux, yea
he dicked them over.

JensK
06-10-2010, 03:21 PM
9 Division championships in 15 years with Brister, Neil ODonnell, Kordell, and Maddux, yea
he dicked them over.

Honestly, in Steelers mentality, thats not good. Its SBs or its nothing. Thats how most competitive teams should look at it. After all, those who loose the SB, is just the best of the worst...

K Train
06-10-2010, 07:33 PM
9 Division championships in 15 years with Brister, Neil ODonnell, Kordell, and Maddux, yea
he dicked them over.

making the playoffs isnt being great, its tip toeing on greatness and then failing. surely you remember all the heart ache.

he plays marty ball, and even the original marty ball lost his job after yet another playoff berth and fail, its just the nature of things

Stlrs4Life
06-10-2010, 09:31 PM
You can come and say "Owned" when he is gone. Rooney have also said that they want Tomlin to be the coach in Pittsburgh for a long long time, so i really do not think you should read too much into it yet. Steelers don't really handle these things like they used to anymore.


I can agree with that, and I am not a big Smizik fan, but I think this team does lack discipline.

Dobre Shunka
06-10-2010, 09:49 PM
9 Division championships in 15 years with Brister, Neil ODonnell, Kordell, and Maddux, yea
he dicked them over.

LMFAO! Yea, he was lousy alright. To think the man did it w/o a franchise QB @ the helm is frick'n mindblowing.

Still, I think Tomlins going to be around for years yet to come. Management may have changed w/ the person in charge but I don't think Art's style will be drastically different from the ole man or the Chief. I look for Tomlin to be with us at least 6 yrs, maybe more, no less.