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Stlrs4Life
05-24-2010, 11:21 PM
How the Steelers can survive without Big Ben.


http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...t-Big-Ben.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/How-the-Steelers-can-survive-without-Big-Ben.html)

Talking NFL football over the weekend, I have a sense that weíre too quick right now when it comes to how we view the Steelers without Ben Roethlisberger (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Roethlisberger-not-cleared-to-practice-yet.html).


The suspension ó which could be a six game penalty ó is tough. Thereís no way to spin a suspension to a QB, one who can be called a ďfranchise-levelĒ guy in certain discussions. We know that, and we also know that the AFC North is loaded with upgrades the Bengals and the Ravens made to their rosters.

Start out slowly in the first month and a half of the season and Pittsburgh can forget about any postseason talk.


However, coaches and players in this league donít have issues with adversity. The suspension to Big Ben will be treated like an injury to a player. Next guy up and get out of the way. Sure, Byron Leftwich (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Steelers-trade-for-Byron-Leftwich.html) and Dennis Dixon are not Roethlisberger. They arenít the type of QBs who can bail out a defense repeatedly, and they arenít walking around with two rings.


But they donít have to be if the Steelers adjust ó which they will under coach Mike Tomlin. It is his job to sell this team on playing football with a different style that wins.
Roethlisberger threw the ball over 500 times last season -- a career high for Big Ben and, in reality, an offense (and a team) that relied on its QB to make plays in the fourth quarter to win games. Canít happen anymore. This offense will have to become more balanced. Thereís not other way around it.

(http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Can-Dixon-win-the-job-in-Pittsburgh.html)
Finding a replacement between Dixon and Leftwich (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Can-Dixon-win-the-job-in-Pittsburgh.html) is the first order of business, and for a team that needs an offensive leader, I expect it to be done before the Steelers take the field for their first preseason game. But whomever it is will have to work within the system of the offense, use the running game to set up manageable third down situations and, when he has to, make a play ó and get it done.


RB Rashard Mendenhall is a former first round pick ó and itís time that he plays like one. If that means carrying the ball 20-plus times every Sunday ó with production ó then thatís his role. Everyone on that team will be asked to adapt, to change and to alter they way this team plays.

And that includes the defense. With Troy Polamalu back (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Polamalu-was-worried-about-his-knee-last-season.html), I expect Dick LeBeauís defense to return to a style that doesnít blow leads in the fourth quarter and can attack at all times ó instead of playing back on its heels. This unit will have to force turnovers and will have to set up the offense with a short field to work with. There might be games when they have to score on defense to win. It happens, and they have the talent to do it.


I know itís only May, and talking about the 2010 season can just be pure speculation. But I donít see this as speculation when we talk about Pittsburgh. Roethlisberger is gone ó for a while ó and neither Tomlin, Hines Ward, Ryan Clark, etc. is going to wait around for him.

They have a season to prepare for, and that preparation will have to change for this team to keep pace with the rest of the division. Expect to see new-look Steelers in September.

Gettysburgh_Steel
05-25-2010, 04:38 AM
That was a nice post , and i agree with the most of it . How is this team gonna respond when Ben isn't around ? He is not gonna be around , so we will get a glimpse of that in the first quarter of the season .
The defense is gonna play a vital role in how this season transpires. Like it or not , it has to be that way . We are in a rebuilding mode anyway. If Dixon can come in and pick up the slack , and prove that he has grown enough to hold that QB spot , then We made a good draft pick .
If expectations are too high , and he does not perform , then there will be repercussions too.
He did do an admirable job in his first chance at the job , but came up a little short . Ben did that same thing , maybe better than anyone . He turned out fine . Well kind of anyway . What Ben did was let the door open for someone else to come in and show what they have to offer this team . Can you picture Ben riden the pine ? It could actually happen .
I am one that is not tossin Batch out of the mix , but say our team is on a roll without Ben , should we just bring him in to start or really make him win his job back ?
There are some who don't look at it this way , but Ben is the reason we are in this predicament in the first place .
We won superbowls without him , and there is no doubt in my mind that we could continue to do so .
I think the steam must come from a hard hitting , and aggressive defense . Put the quarterback in the background , and go back to the roots. Ben could never come back as far as i am concerned . Would not bother me one bit . You have an excellent defense , and everything else will fit into place .
Ben riden the pine . SWEET !!!!!!!

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Not sayin i am against Ben , but he made his job become up for grabs . He has to live with it , and his decisions he made . Unfortunately so do us fans . Reality will set in !

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Wow , aren't we short on replies . Lets get activated!!!

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Are you guys dead , or am i alive ? Come on man put in some input .

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That was a nice post , and i agree with the most of it . How is this team gonna respond when Ben isn't around ? He is not gonna be around , so we will get a glimpse of that in the first quarter of the season .
The defense is gonna play a vital role in how this season transpires. Like it or not , it has to be that way . We are in a rebuilding mode anyway. If Dixon can come in and pick up the slack , and prove that he has grown enough to hold that QB spot , then We made a good draft pick .
If expectations are too high , and he does not perform , then there will be repercussions too.
He did do an admirable job in his first chance at the job , but came up a little short . Ben did that same thing , maybe better than anyone . He turned out fine . Well kind of anyway . What Ben did was let the door open for someone else to come in and show what they have to offer this team . Can you picture Ben riden the pine ? It could actually happen .
I am one that is not tossin Batch out of the mix , but say our team is on a roll without Ben , should we just bring him in to start or really make him win his job back ?
There are some who don't look at it this way , but Ben is the reason we are in this predicament in the first place .
We won superbowls without him , and there is no doubt in my mind that we could continue to do so .
I think the steam must come from a hard hitting , and aggressive defense . Put the quarterback in the background , and go back to the roots. Ben could never come back as far as i am concerned . Would not bother me one bit . You have an excellent defense , and everything else will fit into place .
Ben riden the pine . SWEET !!!!!!!

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Not sayin i am against Ben , but he made his job become up for grabs . He has to live with it , and his decisions he made . Unfortunately so do us fans . Reality will set in !

--- Added 5/25/2010 at 03:28 AM ---

Wow , aren't we short on replies . Lets get activated!!!

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Are you guys dead , or am i alive ? Come on man put in some input .

NEVERMIND I STILL HATE THE RAVENS !!!!! You guys are getting boring !



















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Zachintosh66
05-25-2010, 07:37 AM
--- Added 5/25/2010 at 03:28 AM ---

Wow , aren't we short on replies . Lets get activated!!!

--- Added 5/25/2010 at 03:31 AM ---

Are you guys dead , or am i alive ? Come on man put in some input .

--- Added 5/25/2010 at 03:38 AM ---

NEVERMIND I STILL HATE THE RAVENS !!!!! You guys are getting boring !
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Man it was 3:30 in the morning on a monday night... everyone was in bed. This place usually gets quiet about 12, 12:30.

SteelerSal
05-25-2010, 08:06 AM
Man it was 3:30 in the morning on a monday night... everyone was in bed. This place usually gets quiet about 12, 12:30.

:lol: I will be sure to set my alarm clock to the early AM hours to reply.

I'm gonna look at the beginning of the season as if Ben was out with an injury. I was not worried in the past when Ben could not start and either Batch or Lefty got the start so I will not panic now.
I'm more worried about when Ben comes back and how he will handle hostile enviroments with opposing teams fans heckling him while he is on the sidelines. Heck he will not even be able to escape it at home games either especially if we do great without him and we stumble with him when he returns.

BlitzburghRockCity
05-25-2010, 09:00 AM
Somebody is alittle anxious for the season I see :lol: I guess I hit the snooze one too many times this morning and I forgot to wake up and check for just this particular post :D

The Steelers can survive without Ben, they've done it in the past when he's been out with injuries. If they stay focused, play good defense and ST, you can stay in any game even with a backup QB. The Steelers have long since had good backups behind Ben to step in during a crisis situation and they more often than not respond with good performances.

ejsteeler
05-25-2010, 11:50 AM
Great stuff TG and dead on. However, I am actually more concerned with how they will re-insert Ben into the system. Should be seemless, I know, but these are the kinds of situations from which disasters are made. Granted, heroics are made as well. It remains to be seen how it will unfold for the Steelers.

Dobre Shunka
05-25-2010, 12:41 PM
Survive is the right word for it. We will, barely.

Gettysburgh_Steel
05-25-2010, 12:50 PM
Never too early to get pumped up about the season, sorry just rattling some chains thats all. Did not have to work today , so i was lookin for some action i guess . I like the air of uncertainty that is surrounding this team in 2010 . Makes for some good conversation among all.:tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02: :tt02:

coldrolled
05-25-2010, 01:22 PM
Great stuff TG and dead on. However, I am actually more concerned with how they will re-insert Ben into the system. Should be seemless, I know, but these are the kinds of situations from which disasters are made. Granted, heroics are made as well. It remains to be seen how it will unfold for the Steelers.

Disasters... Like losing 7 games last year. 6 with ben, one without him...

Like that??

Scorp
05-25-2010, 01:24 PM
Just play the best football until his *** gets back on the field.

ejsteeler
05-25-2010, 01:37 PM
Disasters... Like losing 7 games last year. 6 with ben, one without him...

Like that??

I would definitely consider last year a disaster, yes. But for entirely different reasons. Ben was not the issue last year.

Gettysburgh_Steel
05-25-2010, 03:13 PM
I think if the defense returns to form ,and special teams are adjusted to the proper standards , it don't make no difference no how who is the QB .We get our running game on track anybody could run this offense. No matter how you slice it ,it all comes down to having someone who can be dependable at the QB spot. Game manager if you will .Even Palco could run the offense if we get all the other things shored up .This is not about Ben , it's about a proud TEAM . They, we , have all the reason to be proud ! I say F...U... Ben .We needed you and you are nowhere to be found .We still must move on. Either with you , but it looks like it will be without you , so get on with your life .Give us the money back , and just leave . Go to an opposing team , and who really cares . I am sure their are people on our defense that would love to slam you for REAL !!!!I would love to see James Harrison make you part of the turf . Ire brothers , ire.

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This whole Steelers thing is about being a winner , and not making a name for yourself ! Make a name for the STEELERS , not some selfish bullshit moron , who puts himself first .Ben made a name for himself ! I just am not sure if he likes it or not . If he does , then he has even bigger problems. I know i don't like the name he has fashioned , that will forever be tagged on this team . I hope he feels shame,and remorse for the publicity he brought to this team , because i know i do . I had nothing to do with it either .I am not an enemy of Ben's , but i could learn to adjust , just like our team must do in order to move on . Ben irks me. What else can i say .

BlitzburghRockCity
05-25-2010, 03:25 PM
Great stuff TG and dead on. However, I am actually more concerned with how they will re-insert Ben into the system. Should be seemless, I know, but these are the kinds of situations from which disasters are made. Granted, heroics are made as well. It remains to be seen how it will unfold for the Steelers.

In the past, when Ben comes back into the lineup after being out he seems to jump right in and run with it. The offense gets moving and he's able to be his usually play making self. And that's coming back from an injury, so one would think that since he'll be healthy that the same logic should apply. I agree we can't know for sure but I'm hoping it follows suit in the past. I'm sure he'll be alittle rusty and overthrow some players, miss some easy reads, etc. at first till he gets his sea legs back but I don't anticipate that being very long based on knowing how he plays returning from being out.


Disasters... Like losing 7 games last year. 6 with ben, one without him...

Like that??

Ben wasn't the reason we lost those games last year. We lost those games because our defense sucked, our special teams were anything but special, we couldn't run the ball consistently, our offensive line was up and down every week, and we were way too predictable. Everyone on that team, coaches included, was to blame.

LatrobePA
05-25-2010, 03:36 PM
On Mike & Mike this AM the question was asked, what if Byron comes out and lights it up and we're 4-0 going into the bye and Ben is able to come back...Do you start Ben or leave the hot hand in????

jnes1216
05-25-2010, 03:56 PM
On Mike & Mike this AM the question was asked, what if Byron comes out and lights it up and we're 4-0 going into the bye and Ben is able to come back...Do you start Ben or leave the hot hand in????

If he comes back after the 4th week and gets the extra week (bye) to practice, I would start Ben. With the exception of Baltimore, the other three teams have average defenses, so 4-0 could be attainable. After Cleveland (game 5), Pitts has a pretty tough stretch, so best to get Ben up and going. A lot of money ridin' the pine if he sits.

andyg1984
05-25-2010, 05:16 PM
On Mike & Mike this AM the question was asked, what if Byron comes out and lights it up and we're 4-0 going into the bye and Ben is able to come back...Do you start Ben or leave the hot hand in????

ben .. we know the upside with byron .. if the D plays well and somehow we come out 4-0 that is no reason to punish ben, myself and others

steelersbabex25
05-26-2010, 06:23 AM
On Mike & Mike this AM the question was asked, what if Byron comes out and lights it up and we're 4-0 going into the bye and Ben is able to come back...Do you start Ben or leave the hot hand in????

No. I start Ben over Byron no matter how hot his hand may be. Ben is somewhat reliable, with Leftwich I don't really think you know. I would say thanks for the wins Byron but now it's time for the franchise quarterback to come back.

coldrolled
05-26-2010, 07:15 AM
Ben wasn't the reason we lost those games last year. We lost those games because our defense sucked, our special teams were anything but special, we couldn't run the ball consistently, our offensive line was up and down every week, and we were way too predictable. Everyone on that team, coaches included, was to blame.

right, that was my point. ben lost six, dixon lost one. the team lost those seven games not the QB. the games we lost or won by 3 points are the real story. a few more first downs, a few 3rd down conversions in crucial spots... we win more games.

but... ben threw more INT's in the redzone last year, it seemed like at least more than any other year. those seem to cost us mentally like 14 points during the game....

oh yah, and dixon threw one in OT. but not in the redzone..

BlitzburghRockCity
05-26-2010, 09:18 AM
There is no way in hell you leave Leftwich in, that's just ridiculous crazy talk. Lefty is a career backup for a reason here folks, let's not beat around the bush. He had some good years as a starter but after his injuries and decreasing performance he became expendable. He did well for us in spot duty 2 years ago and it's no surprise he is doing well for us now in mini camps. Make no mistake, Ben is your 2 time super bowl QB, pro bowler, and a big reason that the team has 2 SB's in the last 5 years. When Ben is able to come back, he'll be the starter and one of the 3 current QB's on the roster will be cut.

steelfury455
05-26-2010, 12:52 PM
For me it's simple, employ the two headed QB for 4-6 games, strong rushing, big play D. Lefty knows the playbook and will pull the trigger w/o hesitation with less mistakes so he's our number one. Dixon can extend the play but doesn't have the experience and will make more mistakes going thru the progressions (as a pocket passer). Bring Dixon in during the games for the slash roles. Just use the guys since they all will sit as soon as Ben hits the field.
And having Ben back is no guarantee either. Make no mistake, negative media and negative fan attention at home or away games is going to play on his mind. Especially for the first few games so I would not be surprised if he's stone cold for a bit. Couple that with the lack of training and timing with the new receivers and well... just don't be surprised if he doesn't pick up where he left off last year. Not at first...

BlitzburghRockCity
05-26-2010, 03:18 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Dixon in a type of wildcat role here and there, if Leftwich or Batch end up winning the competition. He could excel in that type of situation in an ongoing basis. It would get him playing time on the field so he continues to learn even when he's not the starter.

Now will Arians do that...you're guess is as good as mine but we all know how THAT usually goes...

Dobre Shunka
05-26-2010, 08:52 PM
If we're 4-0 by Ben's return I'll be frick'n estatic!