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darnik44
04-18-2010, 03:16 PM
I'm just curious about how everyone feels. Obviously the Steelers on the field are much better with Ben. The football/Steelers fan in us realizes that. But can you still root for him? Have you lost respect for him? So, should the Steelers trade Ben?

SteelCurtainYinzer
04-18-2010, 03:41 PM
As much as he is a valuable asset on the football field, I don't like the chances of something else happening, unless he accepts rehab for alcohol and sexual addictions. While that might not even do it, I feel we should cut the cord and not risk getting a 5th round draft pick in the future. I am all for Trading him now.....

Steelhead4life
04-18-2010, 03:50 PM
To trade Ben would not be smart. You cant just replace a 2 time super bowl QB. We would just weaken ourselves. Don't get me wrong, Ben needs to straighten out his act and grow up. He has a lot to prove to regain the trust of steeler fans including myself. Winning games will certainly help fans forget the past but you cant do that by getting rid of him.

Dee Mca
04-18-2010, 03:55 PM
Last time I checked your innocent until PROVEN guilty. He hasn't even been charged with a crime just some gold diggers accusing him.

coach
04-18-2010, 04:03 PM
What will be offered?

Anyone can be traded at any time depending on the offer.

What other details come out?

Because it could not be proven that a crime was not committed does not mean nothing untoward happened. Those details are what scare his fans right now. If you are not a Ben fan, you are willing to trade him. If you are a Ben fan, you could be nervous.

Is he able to rehabilitate himself?

Is there some root cause that is causing him to be in the limelight all the time (for the wrong reason)? If so, what is it and can he overcome it.

Is he "the guy?"

I heard someone once say that Mike Tomlin has one rule; Dont be "the guy." Right now, I am pretty sure the team feels that he is the guy. Will they rally around him or trade him? I think that depends on 1-3 above.

DanRooney
04-18-2010, 06:03 PM
Yeah the Colts should trade Peyton Manning too. He raped a girl during the Naughright incident.

Anyone who thinks Ben should get traded does is beyond dumb. This guy is the best quarterback the Steelers ever had and is one of the best in the league. We won't win more than 4 games with Dennis Dixon at quarterback even with Suh and Earl Thomas.

nuclearchihuahuas
04-18-2010, 06:37 PM
I have recently read the case disclosure from steelersgab and have realized that Ben is not quite the a** I thought he was. We have all read the release of the young woman's statements thinking they must be true...however, I now realize they have changed over time and the press is releasing these statements as the truth...While I still think Ben is a fool for getting into this situation and I have engaged in as much Big Ben Bashing as anyone, I am willing to state now that he is now nearly as guilty as I originally believed him to be. So I say suspend him for his act of stupidity in public but do not trade him. I believe the Rooney's no what the truth is and trust their judgement. If they can keep him, so can I and I will even cheer for him. We all commit stupid mistakes and I thank God that mine are not nearly as public as Ben's...'cause that would be horrible.

StlersGuy
04-18-2010, 07:09 PM
:+1::sux:

coldrolled
04-18-2010, 07:32 PM
He needs to sign up for AA.

He needs to admit his drinking gets him setup with the wrong people and the wrong situations.

then, he needs to play his heart out and be nice to people and show everyone he is over his drinking.

then if you like in the off season next year.. fire arians.

then trade ben or keep him. i would keep him.

nuclearchihuahuas
04-18-2010, 07:39 PM
He needs to sign up for AA.

He needs to admit his drinking gets him setup with the wrong people and the wrong situations.

then, he needs to play his heart out and be nice to people and show everyone he is over his drinking.

then if you like in the off season next year.. fire arians.

then trade ben or keep him. i would keep him.

I agree--though not necessarily with the firing of Arians---still thinking about that one...but as I have said before, If #7 wins Lombardi #7 this year...we will never speak of this incident again!

coldrolled
04-18-2010, 07:43 PM
I agree--though not necessarily with the firing of Arians---still thinking about that one...but as I have said before, If #7 wins Lombardi #7 this year...we will never speak of this incident again!

i always fire arians. its my motto.

i can add that Ben should then be the televised spokesman for the AA and 12 step.

that would really gear him back up.

Speeed
04-18-2010, 07:48 PM
As much as he is a valuable asset on the football field, I don't like the chances of something else happening, unless he accepts rehab for alcohol and sexual addictions. While that might not even do it, I feel we should cut the cord and not risk getting a 5th round draft pick in the future. I am all for Trading him now.....

Sexual Addictions? :lol: Laughable. There is no evidence he is an alcoholic or addicted to sex. I guess all that is the new buzzword. The first incident he had relations with another adult in a hotel room. Millions of people do that. My guess is NFL players do it more than most. He just happened to schemed. There is no grounds for punishment there in my opinion.

The second incident is just really poor judgment. There is no evidence whatsoever he forced this girl to do anything she was not willing to do. I think it is telling that between a bar full of people and the group of girls involved there was not enough collaboration between their accounts to charge him with anything. One would think they would at least be able to at least loosely concoct enough of a story to get him charged.

The two cases show poor judgment on Ben's part. This is stuff that happens on a regular basis in professional sports. Ben just has bad luck in that he got involved with one nut job and one sour dejected sorority girl. Granted, he put himself in that position, and I have no problem with the Steelers, and not the league, punishing Ben for poor judgment. If the league is going to punish Ben, he needs to be at the bottom of that list that is for sure.

But as for a "sex addict" and "alchohlic?" Common' now! Pittsburgh would be 1/10th the team without him anyway!

nuclearchihuahuas
04-18-2010, 08:30 PM
Just watched SB XLIII on the NFL network...what a hell of a game (again)! NFL.com is taking questions to Roger Goodell on the ask the Commish segment...I think the SteelerNation should ask Mr. Goodell not to punish us and to give Ben one last chance...take money if you must but LET HIM PLAY!:tt02:

SteelCityKid5
04-18-2010, 08:47 PM
Just watched SB XLIII on the NFL network...what a hell of a game (again)! NFL.com is taking questions to Roger Goodell on the ask the Commish segment...I think the SteelerNation should ask Mr. Goodell not to punish us and to give Ben one last chance...take money if you must but LET HIM PLAY!:tt02:


No :evilshake:... this jackass had his chances. He needs to sit 2 games. Ben needs to be punished because he needs to get the message through his thick drunk *** skull. For me, it's gonna take awhile to cheer for him again.

Iron City South
04-18-2010, 09:03 PM
Here's the problem with a trade at this point ... each day that passes by and another woman comes out and says, "Ben got me drunk and tried to poke me" ... is another day that his stock loses value.

I would only trade Ben if 2 first round picks were involved and quite frankly, NOBODY is going to pony up that kind of a deal right now because he's a public relations liability for any team. In other words, his marketing value is at an all time low ...

If we did the rumored deal that was going around early last week I would have said, "DO IT .. DO IT NOW AND DO IT FAST" ...

Now? ... No deal. Keep him and hope Rooney puts the fear of Christ into him so that he changes himself.

Real Deal Steel
04-18-2010, 09:04 PM
Anyone who thinks we should trade Ben has rocks in their head. You don't trade franchise, in their prime, Quarterbacks! He has to be taught to make better choices. That's it. And he will get a stern lesson from Goddall and the Rooney's.

And this rapist thing is waaaaay over reacting. He's a rich, 28 year old man. Remember how you were at 28 years old fellas??? Your hormones were all over the place too. Always looking for some. So to speak.

All this "get rid of Ben" talk is a clear overreaction. We have knuckle heads on our team like every other team in the league. Welcome to the real world.

steelersbabex25
04-18-2010, 09:15 PM
:lol: is this a joke? Trading Ben would possibly be the dumbest move made in the history of the franchise, probably even in the NFL. No way..no chance..not ever.

LatrobePA
04-18-2010, 09:23 PM
He needs to learn it's OK to play with yourself!! All men do it (except me)! Oh yea, leave the bar fly skanks alone!!

SteelCityKid5
04-18-2010, 09:48 PM
He just needs to grow up. Get some new friends and or a wife. Also, a couple of community appearances wouldnt hurt either.

LatrobePA
04-18-2010, 09:49 PM
He just needs to grow up. Get some new friends and or a wife. Also, a couple of community appearances wouldnt hurt either.

Very true, Baldy said it best "he's paying men to protect him and keep him safe and they're not, so fire them and find new help"

LarryNJ
04-18-2010, 09:52 PM
Read this! (http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24531)

LatrobePA
04-18-2010, 09:56 PM
Read this! (http://www.steeleraddicts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24531)

LMBO!

Bones
04-18-2010, 10:08 PM
I really don't think there's any way he's traded...I just don't see it happening.

nuclearchihuahuas
04-18-2010, 10:58 PM
Looks like we will find out monday or tuesday...

--- Added 4/18/2010 at 09:59 PM ---

Cole: Roethlisberger suspension to be announced Tuesday
Posted by Matt Loede on April 18th, 2010 in News, Opinions

Many felt that a suspension for Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger would not come till after Thursday’s NFL Draft kicks off, but now Jason Cole of Yahoo Sports! reports that the suspension, which I have felt all along will be two games, will be announced by commissioner Roger Goodell on Tuesday.

Heres the tidbit from Cole about the announcement of the suspension:

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is expected to suspend Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger on Monday or Tuesday as a result of the recent sexual assault investigation in Milledgeville, Ga., multiple sources have indicated to Yahoo! Sports.

Though the Ocmulgee Circuit District Attorney announced last Monday that Roethlisberger wouldn’t be charged in the case, sources close to the quarterback said he is unlikely to fight the punishment.

Roethlisberger, who apologized following last week’s announcement for the negative attention the incident garnered, would prefer to put the matter to rest as quickly as possible, three sources close to him said.

“Ben understands where this is going and he knows there’s punishment he’ll have to take,” one of the aforementioned sources close to Roethlisberger said. “He knows how much this hurt the team and the league. He wants to make this right.”

While NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said he has been given no timetable for a decision, the question remains whether Goodell will keep the suspension to one or two games or make it four games or longer. It is also unknown whether the Steelers will levy an additional penalty upon Roethlisberger of if a punishment will be factored into the league’s suspension. Over the weekend, two league sources said Goodell was growing angrier by the day as more information from the investigation became public.

The Steelers have said all along they have had plenty of contact with the NFL about the matter, so an additional couple of games on top of what the NFL gives him probably won’t happen, if it’s two games like I have thought it would be, I would say the league basically is saying they will suspend him a game, and the Steelers a game.

Nevertheless, the team would like to get this matter dealt with as well, so they can begin to plan life without the franchise QB, no matter how long it may be when the 2010 season kicks off.

Real Deal Steel
04-19-2010, 12:50 AM
Excellent. The sooner it's announced, the sooner all the " chicken little; the sky is falling" fans can go get a life.

Also, this will give Dennis Dixon a big boost to know he's going to be starting the first couple of games.:sHa_friends:

Dee Mca
04-19-2010, 01:00 AM
Ben deserves to sit 1 to 2 games after reading the parts of personal conduct policy he did violate it by buying and drinking with under age people. Guess we are lucky that state of GA not going after him for buying her the shots.

darnik44
04-19-2010, 06:19 AM
I'm torn on the situation. I realize trading Ben would set the organization back. I realize it's so hard to find a QB who can win a Super Bowl, and Ben has won two. I realize Dennis Dixon, or Sam Bradford would be significant down grades.

But I also realize the Steelers way and their traditions are much bigger and important than any one player. I realize Ben was deemed innocent because no charges could be filed. But I don't have my head in the sand, I realize in the true meaning of the word Ben wasn't completely innocent, and my not have been innocent at all.

For as good a decision maker he is on the field, he's equally as bad a decision maker in his spare time. There have been atleast 3 questionable incidents with Ben and a female and of course the bike accident. Ben's troubled off season's have almost become an annual event.

I've met Ben, and know a few people who have had a lot of contact with Ben. One friend of mine who actually knows Ben quite well says he is the most arrogant person he's ever met. This person has frequent contact with big stars due to his job.

Something else that has to be considered is the attitude in the locker room. Before all this it has been suggested that there are quite a few players in that locker room who don't care for Ben. I just wonder what his approval rating is now.

What if he does something else? Then he's worth a 5th round pick.

cmerrifield
04-19-2010, 07:50 AM
If Ben has really learned his lesson, then we should keep him and give him another chance, maybe. I will never buy a #7 jersey, and will never feel the same way about Ben, but what players do in the offseason is important to me. I am not saying everyone has to agree with me or feel the same way, I am just saying for me. However, if Ben hasnt learned his lesson and pulls another stunt, then we could be in trouble. He would basically have no value in comparison to what he is worth and if a salary cap comes back, then cutting or trading him would cost us significantly in cap space to the tune of 18 million if it would be next season. No team could take that hit and still put together a winning team. So, if there is any doubt in Ben changing his ways, I would trade him now.

BlitzburghRockCity
04-19-2010, 09:40 AM
Per the sticky that LarryNJ referenced, this thread is being closed because we've already talked about this 9 ways to Sunday in one of the other million Ben threads.

Colbert will announce any punishment on Tuesday and we can have a new thread about this then.