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MattyVfromCT
04-17-2010, 01:04 PM
first, i apologize for starting another ben thread, but i feel this is a very good read that every steeler fan should read.

while i do not condone his behavior at all whatsoever, the media is lynching him with details in the police report that are from one side of the story and that is wrong. steeler fans are doing it as well. all these "details" are ACCUSATIONS, NOT FACT. it is POSSIBLE that they can be true but it is also possible that they are NOT TRUE. the fact remains, the da did not have enough evidence for probable cause for an arrest, let alone a trial. we all need to step back and realize that these details that are being released are accusations. just because someone makes an accusation does not make it a fact. i can accuse ben of raping me and somebody would believe it as ridiculous of a claim as it is.

here it is:

http://ludwig.squarespace.com/politics-journal/2010/4/15/the-media-lynching-of-ben-roethlisberger.html

The Media Lynching of Ben Roethlisberger
The media is lynching Roethlisberger. The reporting isn't factual; it's an ideological and contrived version of events. People are printing the stuff that supports their bias or that has shock value. I've seen reports that the girl was dragged into the room by the "bodyguard." I've seen reports that she tried to exit the building because he had exposed himself, but she ended up accidentally going into the bathroom. I've seen all sorts of irresponsible claims: "victim told him 'no.'" And that, "she immediately reported it." What is the goal -- to lynch Roethlisberger?

What if, instead, the story had said this:

CHRONOLOGY:

1. The DA indicated that both parties were exchanging sexual comments (that he would not repeat in public, because of their graphic nature). He did confirm, however, that, "There were conversations, actions -- and it was a two-way street, It was. When I say a two-way street -- him to her, her to him -- [it was] of a sexual nature." 7:35, DA-interview. PART-4. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apBOClZNRzY)

2. The accuser and her sorority sisters were wearing stickers that "had 'DTF' written on the bottom of the name tag ... [which] stood for 'down to ****.'" See Page 4 of 6 of police report, exhibit 16. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger15.html

3. The accuser was heavily intoxicated. [numerous sources].

4. The accuser was led down a hall to a bathroom. DA News Conference, PART-1, 3:10. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHs6C7ajzg)

5. The bathroom had crampt quarters -- less than 5 foot wide single-commode bathroom. DA News Conference, PART-1 http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHs6C7ajzg)

7. Police staement: "Roethlisberger explained to Aurila that nothing had happened and that Roethlisberger was in the back with a girl and they were "messing around." Roethlsberger then explained that the girl slipped and he helped her up and then came back out. Aurila stated that he took "messing around" to mean" kissing, whatever. ... Roethlisberger indicated to Aurila that the girl had slipped and that he had helped her up and once Roethlisberger had helped her up he told the girl that they were not going to continue." ("During the conversation, Aurila described Roethlisberger's demeanor as angry and shocked that this [the accusation] was happening.")-- Police report, pg. 5 of 7, http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger19.html

6. The accuser had a "superficial laceration" in the genital area, described by DA as consistent with having sex. (Or slipping while having it?). DA interview, PART-1 at 3:50. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHs6C7ajzg)

8. THE ACCUSER NEVER REPORTED A RAPE. It was never the accuser who said it was a rape; it was her sorority sisters who felt she was too drunk to be fraternizing with him. So they acted based upon that judgment. THEY are the ones who alleged it. They told the police this. See DA news conference, PART-2, starts 2:42 and key part at about 3:10: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaRGdYizw7g)

-- From the DA conference: "The Sorority Sisters were doing the talking [making the accusation]." DA interview, PART-2, starts 2:42 and key part at about 4:00: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html See also, DA interview, PART-3, 10:20 http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PsdE_KudoY)

When the officer on the spot said "I need to talk to the alleged victim, not you," he asked the alleged victim if Roethlisberger had raped her. She said:

(A). "No." DA news conference; PART 2, starts 2:42, key point: about 4:10: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html

-- When asked if the two had sex, she said "well, I'm not sure." DA interview, PART 2, starts 2:42, key point: about 4:20: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaRGdYizw7g)

(B) She gave a statement that night to police that said, "They met us at the Brick and called us a 'tease.' .... His body guards took him back to the rooms in 1 bathroom. I said, 'I don't know if this is a good idea,' and he said, "it's ok.' He had sex with me ... ." See Police report: march 4th. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger3.html

(C) At the hospital that night, she said "a boy kinda raped me." DA interview, PART-2 at 6:00. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaRGdYizw7g)

(D). The next day, she offered this story: "I told him it wasn't okay, no, we don't need to do this, and I proceeded to get up and try to leave. I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom, and shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not okay. And he then had sex with me. He said it was okay" DA interview, PART-2 5:25. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaRGdYizw7g)

[Note several things. 1. This suggested they started having sex OUTSIDE the bathroom. This contradicts the eyewitness claims that she was led to the bathroom by an escort.** 2. It also selectively fixes earlier statements. It fixes equivocation while retaining other things as accurate (e.g., "he said it was okay."). In other words, what helps her is accurate, what doesn't is fixed].

**Further support of this "problem." DA said there is no evidence of sex being had outside of the bathroom. No one in the VIP area of any entourage or any body guard saw anything like that. In fact, one body guard said she asked to use the restroom and was escorted back there and sat at a stool. (He didn't even see Ben go back there). See: DA CONFERENCE, PART-3, starting at 8:30. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PsdE_KudoY)

(E) On March 17th, through her attorney, she says she doesn't want to go forward with it. [You will note that the vast majority of civil plaintiffs want criminal cases going on concurrently. Any lawyer will tell you why a civil plaintiff would want a criminal case going forward concurrently. One must assume that her reluctance here indicates one of two things: (a) the civil matter was already on a quick course of settlement; or (b) depositions and other matters may have rendered the next-day statement-of-events problematic. It is true that media frenzy and privacy are good reasons not to pursue things. But is this true if you have been wronged and can receive a major damage award? Or is it true if you have a drunken encounter and regret it? How many people get raped by millionaires and don't want to pursue even a civil case? And how many want to pursue one without pursuing a criminal case (the former helps the latter) -- [again, ask anylawyer].

9. Both the DA and the police believe not only that there was not enough proof to win their case, but that THERE WAS NOT EVEN PROBABLE CAUSE TO ARREST. Think about that. Law enforcement officials think the charge wasn't even worthy of an arrest. See DA News Conference, PART-1 12:00. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHs6C7ajzg)

Will anyone out there listen? People have every right to indict Roethlisberger for being an irresponsible frat boy. They have every reason to be disgusted with things like buying shots for girls and wanting a gigolo lifestyle. Or with having drunken sex. But they DON'T have ANY right to be disgusted with body guards dragging people back to rooms, with sex against a person's will, with "she reported it quickly," and that, "he exposed himself and she ran away, accidentally to a bathroom."

Where are you guys on this? They are MURDERING him. At worst, he's guilty of being a meathead and a playboy. Can you do nothing to make sure that, if people abuse him, it is for the FACTUAL THINGS and not a public lynching?

Regards and thanks.

Dr. Sean Wilson, Esq.

Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2010 at 11:11PM by Sean Wilson | 12 Comments
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nuclearchihuahuas
04-17-2010, 01:06 PM
Excellent work MattyV!

MattyVfromCT
04-17-2010, 01:09 PM
Excellent work MattyV!

not my work lol. i just happened to find the link to this in the comment boards from somebody else on espn.com. but it brings up excellent points. greg giannotti on 93.7 the fan also feels that people are jumping to conclusions on the details being released, despite that it's one side of the story and are accusations, not fact. not to mention that everyone who believes these details proves that rape occured needs to realize the da LOOKED AT ALL THESE DETAILS. HE HAD NOTHING FOR EVEN PROBABLE CAUSE

BlitzburghRockCity
04-17-2010, 01:19 PM
I've been saying all this from the friggin beginning. I am not going to lynch Ben, Im not going to sacrifice him to the wolves because some drunk ***, underage, altered id, bar happing college chick decided she wanted her 15 minutes of fame at the expense of the reputation of another. It's total crap, total BS, and I don't care what statements are in those police reports, none of it was proven, nobody can say what happened, and there was more than enough time for those girls to all make up this crap because they shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. These are all statements from drunk girls in a bar who talked to cops and doctors when they were still drunk and then had to figure out if what they said was all true after the fact. They didn't pursue charges because they have no case and they finally realized it's all total crap. Maybe there was a settlement, maybe not, regardless, stop hanging the man for accusations nobody can prove. Nobody in their right mind actually thinks that Willie Colon and 2 off duty cops knowingly dragged a woman into a public bathroom and then blocked the doors...I mean sit back and think about that for minute, because if you do, you'll see it's total crap.

The media is ridiculous on this and it makes me sick to see so many people ready to get rid of him on accounts that never, and will never, be proven!

SteelJunkie
04-17-2010, 01:21 PM
Yes it is a good read, and thx Top for limiting the Ben threads.

MattyVfromCT
04-17-2010, 01:24 PM
I've been saying all this from the friggin beginning. I am not going to lynch Ben, Im not going to sacrifice him to the wolves because some drunk ***, underage, altered id, bar happing college chick decided she wanted her 15 minutes of fame at the expense of the reputation of another. It's total crap, total BS, and I don't care what statements are in those police reports, none of it was proven, nobody can say what happened, and there was more than enough time for those girls to all make up this crap because they shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. These are all statements from drunk girls in a bar who talked to cops and doctors when they were still drunk and then had to figure out if what they said was all true after the fact. They didn't pursue charges because they have no case and they finally realized it's all total crap. Maybe there was a settlement, maybe not, regardless, stop hanging the man for accusations nobody can prove.

The media is ridiculous on this and it makes me sick to see so many people ready to get rid of him on accounts that never, and will never, be proven!

agreed. and like i said, i do not condone his conduct at all whatsoever. i do not like how he has been reckless and stupid off the field. but this article needs to be read by everyone. too many people, steeler fans and haters alike, are taking these accusations as fact when there is nothing to prove that a rape occurred. this girl was checked out from head to toe at the hospital. there was no evidence to prove a rape occurred and there sure as hell was no evidence to support this ridiculously asinine accusation of the bodyguards "dragging her and forcefully holding her against her will". her clothes weren't torn, stretched, etc and there was nothing else that indicated any physical struggle. common sense people. hey, ben raped me. (SARCASM) do you believe that too? lol

lloydfan4life
04-17-2010, 02:55 PM
Good read. Thanks for posting. :yellowthumb:
Will definitley take time to digest it all.

steelersbabex25
04-17-2010, 07:05 PM
I've been saying all this from the friggin beginning. I am not going to lynch Ben, Im not going to sacrifice him to the wolves because some drunk ***, underage, altered id, bar happing college chick decided she wanted her 15 minutes of fame at the expense of the reputation of another. It's total crap, total BS, and I don't care what statements are in those police reports, none of it was proven, nobody can say what happened, and there was more than enough time for those girls to all make up this crap because they shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. These are all statements from drunk girls in a bar who talked to cops and doctors when they were still drunk and then had to figure out if what they said was all true after the fact. They didn't pursue charges because they have no case and they finally realized it's all total crap. Maybe there was a settlement, maybe not, regardless, stop hanging the man for accusations nobody can prove. Nobody in their right mind actually thinks that Willie Colon and 2 off duty cops knowingly dragged a woman into a public bathroom and then blocked the doors...I mean sit back and think about that for minute, because if you do, you'll see it's total crap.

The media is ridiculous on this and it makes me sick to see so many people ready to get rid of him on accounts that never, and will never, be proven!

:ditto: That's what I've been saying as well. Innocent until proven guilty. How can you jump on this when he was never charged for anything..not even that..well there's been close to no evidence ever brought against him? Just let it go.

Iron City South
04-17-2010, 08:12 PM
The media is in the business of sensationalizing things .... that's just what they do.

... but the meda has no bearing on Ben's poor decisions as a 28 year old man or him being a lazy, arrogant, drunk sexual predator.

Sorry folks, that falls on Ben.

strong D
04-17-2010, 08:40 PM
The media is in the business of sensationalizing things .... that's just what they do.

... but the meda has no bearing on Ben's poor decisions as a 28 year old man or him being a lazy, arrogant, drunk sexual predator.

Sorry folks, that falls on Ben.

dude that is so messed up why do u keep saying sexual predator u do not know any facts about this case except they couldnt bring charges thats all u know

75Steeler
04-18-2010, 12:41 PM
Yeah I have a hard time calling the guy an alcoholic or a sexual predator or putting any other label on him. He did make some stupid mistakes and the media's beating him up is a big part of the process that he will just have to deal with. Ben can go 2 ways at this point he can make some changes in the ways that he conducts himself and continue to be an excellent QB for the Steelers or he can fall on his face and continue to hang in bars hitting on 20 year old hood rats and lose his NFL career. The choice is yours Ben please make us proud.

SteelCityKid5
04-18-2010, 03:28 PM
If you honestly think Ben didnt do anything with this girl, you're hammered.

HUNT4SEVEN
04-18-2010, 04:08 PM
The media is in the business of sensationalizing things .... that's just what they do.

... but the meda has no bearing on Ben's poor decisions as a 28 year old man or him being a lazy, arrogant, drunk sexual predator.

Sorry folks, that falls on Ben.

Thank u ICS for telling it like it is...Ben has to be accountable for putting HIMSELF in these situations plain and simple:yesnod:

--- Added 4/18/2010 at 02:08 PM ---


If you honestly think Ben didnt do anything with this girl, you're hammered.

THANK U ALSO!:clap: Ben admitted having sex with her...

SteelCityKid5
04-18-2010, 05:45 PM
Not being a sexist at all, but did this girl get in any kind of trouble? Isnt she 20 and she was at a bar completely wasted?

nuclearchihuahuas
04-18-2010, 08:42 PM
totally agree

coldrolled
04-18-2010, 08:52 PM
totally agree

the media really never likes when the steelers are in the SB or big games. we won to many for them and were old hat in a small market...

bens deal would insure their wishes of knocking the steeler nation down.

go giants, jets, boston, dallas, sf.... now washington/mcnabb... thats where the market is.

WindyCityShaker
04-18-2010, 09:18 PM
When asked if the two had sex, she said "well, I'm not sure."[/B] DA interview, PART 2, starts 2:42, key point: about 4:20: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/video/index.html (also at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaRGdYizw7g)


Ok this is probably in poor taste but this statement right here might cure all of our troubles, if a woman isn't sure whether or not she had sex with a guy, and that becomes public knowledge, that doesn't bode well for his future attempts to get laid. Problem solved. :yesnod:

--- Added 4/18/2010 at 07:18 PM ---


Not being a sexist at all, but did this girl get in any kind of trouble? Isnt she 20 and she was at a bar completely wasted?

True very true, but I also haven't seen any charges filed on Ben for contributing to the delinquency of a minor. I haven't seen anywhere, and I may be wrong so point it out if I am, but I haven't seen any accounts of Ben denying having provided the ladies with shots. If a college bar they are mostly 18 and up but still 21 and over to drink. Wouldn't Ben need to take the responsibility to check to see if the girl was 21 before he provided her with alcohol? :thinking:

It's obviously not the "sexy" charge the media is looking to impose, but yet another example that while a gifted athlete, Ben's got **** for brains.

nuclearchihuahuas
04-18-2010, 09:40 PM
Everyone should go to NFL.com and post a question to Mr. Goodell asking him please to take money from Ben but not suspend him...SteelerNation should not be punished. If you cannot get behind this then do not ask the commish anything! Just watched replay of SB XLIII--damn that guy can play and we are idiots if we let him go or even get suspended without a fight!:tt02:

--- Added 4/18/2010 at 07:40 PM ---


Not being a sexist at all, but did this girl get in any kind of trouble? Isnt she 20 and she was at a bar completely wasted?

Its not sexist...no one should be in a bar unless they are 21...I don't care about the 'ID' bracelets for 18-20 year olds---like they can't take those off...doesn't matter...she wanted to play with the grown-ups ...I get that she got more than she bargained for but after reading the "official reports" posted on Steelersgab.com I am no longer certain the media's interpretation is correct...she seems a bit more worldly than I had anticipated and while I still rail against Ben for trying to be 'big man on campus' (I mean come on...get over yourself already), I think there is a bit more planning and story interpretation on her part and that of her friends. Look, I don't know why Ben needs accolades during the offseason...maybe its depressing for him like rock stars after a concert who miss th adulation of being on stage and find the silence deafening...but there is definitely more to her than was originally reported.

75Steeler
04-18-2010, 09:52 PM
If you honestly think Ben didnt do anything with this girl, you're hammered.

I or anyone else on here never said that Ben didn't do anything with the girl. I just said that there isn't enough evidence of a crime to even bring charges so calling the man a sexual predator is a little steep. She followed Ben and his posse from one club to another then she talked sexual **** to him and that is her story. In Nevada McNutty told friends that she wanted to get pregnant and "have a little Roethlisberger". Neither girl in either case were innocent in taking part. I'm not happy with Ben right now and he does need to grow up. He also needs to win back the trust of thousands of people.

nuclearchihuahuas
04-19-2010, 12:34 AM
the media really never likes when the steelers are in the SB or big games. we won to many for them and were old hat in a small market...

bens deal would insure their wishes of knocking the steeler nation down.

go giants, jets, boston, dallas, sf.... now washington/mcnabb... thats where the market is.

I am glad I am not the only one who has noticed this trend! :cope:

Real Deal Steel
04-19-2010, 01:53 AM
the media really never likes when the steelers are in the SB or big games. we won to many for them and were old hat in a small market...

bens deal would insure their wishes of knocking the steeler nation down.

go giants, jets, boston, dallas, sf.... now washington/mcnabb... thats where the market is.


Very, very, true. Our organazational dominance has the media against us.

$teelersRule
04-19-2010, 11:41 AM
Thank u ICS for telling it like it is...Ben has to be accountable for putting HIMSELF in these situations plain and simple:yesnod:

--- Added 4/18/2010 at 02:08 PM ---



THANK U ALSO!:clap: Ben admitted having sex with her...

Yes he did.... SO WHAT!?!?! he is a single guy in his 20's!! At what point did it become a crime to have a one night stand? If you dont think it happens, I hate to break it to you man it does. If it was a crime i would be in jail already. If he did sexually assault her then thats so wrong but all he is guilty of now is boning some slut, that stuff happens all the time and he should not be crucified like this for it.... if you got any game then you know what im talking about.

coldrolled
04-19-2010, 12:21 PM
Yes he did.... SO WHAT!?!?! he is a single guy in his 20's!! At what point did it become a crime to have a one night stand? If you dont think it happens, I hate to break it to you man it does. If it was a crime i would be in jail already. If he did sexually assault her then thats so wrong but all he is guilty of now is boning some slut, that stuff happens all the time and he should not be crucified like this for it.... if you got any game then you know what im talking about.

it wasnt a one night stand. it read out to be a drunks limpy no go, a girl who didnt know if its in or not, and a hospital that said ben, we dont need any dna, because there was nothing to compare it to in the subject... please already... send him to AA and get over this stuff...

one crazy drunk night out....

ejsteeler
04-19-2010, 01:28 PM
Ok, going a different direction here since I am a parent of a son and a daughter. I'm sick of hearing "if it were your daughter, how would you feel?"....what about, "if it were your son, how would you feel?" If you don't believe in Innocent until proven guilty, you are a commie pinko fag!!!! That is all. :lol:

Thanks for posting this even though I too am sick of the Ben threads. :yellowthumb:

LatrobePA
04-19-2010, 01:44 PM
Howie Long said on Mike & Mike this AM best, Ben is a QB he'd pay to go watch, because what he does on the field is amazing and unlike any other QB in the league...I agree, and I'm one to admit I hung him out to dry, but hope I can get over it!

nuclearchihuahuas
04-19-2010, 02:01 PM
Ok, going a different direction here since I am a parent of a son and a daughter. I'm sick of hearing "if it were your daughter, how would you feel?"....what about, "if it were your son, how would you feel?" If you don't believe in Innocent until proven guilty, you are a commie pinko fag!!!! That is all. :lol:

Thanks for posting this even though I too am sick of the Ben threads. :yellowthumb:

Truth be told if that were my daughter, I would slap her silly for putting herself in that situation! Any woman not aware of her own personal safety at all times is a fool (and traveling in a group of drunk friends doesn't count as safety in numbers and yes I am a woman too)...this girl was drunk, star struck, and went after Ben--followed him from another bar...seriously--how studpid is that? She should not have been surprised. Yes, Ben was foolish too...plenty of foolishness to go around :nono:

ejsteeler
04-19-2010, 02:30 PM
...plenty of foolishness to go around :nono:

:yellowthumb:

LatrobePA
04-19-2010, 02:56 PM
Truth be told if that were my daughter, I would slap her silly for putting herself in that situation! Any woman not aware of her own personal safety at all times is a fool (and traveling in a group of drunk friends doesn't count as safety in numbers and yes I am a woman too)...this girl was drunk, star struck, and went after Ben--followed him from another bar...seriously--how studpid is that? She should not have been surprised. Yes, Ben was foolish too...plenty of foolishness to go around :nono:


I'd slap her for not getting prego and making the family millions!!:lol:

ejsteeler
04-19-2010, 02:58 PM
I'd slap her for not getting prego and making the family millions!!:lol:

oh, now that's just wrong.....:duh:

:lol:

TampaSteelGirl
04-19-2010, 03:18 PM
Thanks for this article...the media is a disease..pure and simple. Case in point...swine flu...hello???? does anyone ever hear about it now but he media caused this HUGE pandemic for pharmaceutical companies to make out big on people scared to death. The media is blowing this way out of proportion and the girlfriends are claiming rape!!! Personally I think this was planned somehow and their friend is paying the price, I mean everywhere they went, he was there, mmmmmmmm how odd???? Anyway, I'm sick to death about these Ben threads but was glad to see someone with a different approach in this matter...it's a shame how we've all become so pristine and judgemental. It's quite shameful IMHO.

I WILL root Ben on this year and I will wear my jersey this season...:tt02:

Blazedby92
04-19-2010, 03:21 PM
If you honestly think Ben didnt do anything with this girl, you're hammered.

I guess you was there to witness the moment, So what if he did do something he is innocent of all charges and I guess you aren't old enough to go to bars yet.

ejsteeler
04-19-2010, 03:24 PM
Yeah baby, my jersey has been cleaned and is ready to go!!!

$teelersRule
04-19-2010, 05:52 PM
I guess you was there to witness the moment, So what if he did do something he is innocent of all charges and I guess you aren't old enough to go to bars yet.

:clap::clap::clap:

coldrolled
04-19-2010, 06:52 PM
An old Story::::: Read the Leagues response at the end.

A judge Monday approved a deal allowing Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis to avoid murder charges and jail time by pleading guilty to a misdemeanor and testifying against two co-defendants.

Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and Superior Court Judge Alice D. Bonner sentenced Lewis to 12 months' probation, the maximum sentence for a first-time offender. Under the terms of the sentence, Lewis can not use drugs or alcohol during the duration of the probation.


--------------------

The following is a statement from NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue:

"Today's developments will help put this tragic incident behind us. Ray Lewis has been entirely cleared of the charge that he was responsible
for the loss of life that occurred in Atlanta in late January.

"There are many lessons to be learned as we review this case. If anyone in the NFL needed a reminder that high-profile professional athletes need to be extraordinarily careful in their associations and activities, Ray Lewis' experience provides that reminder.

"We will continue to work as hard as we can to ensure that our players do not become involved in these types of situations."

nuclearchihuahuas
04-19-2010, 08:00 PM
I have a question...the latest statement from Ben's people says that he will accept punishment if its not "too harsh." What does that mean? He can not accept punishment?

coldrolled
04-19-2010, 08:16 PM
I have a question...the latest statement from Ben's people says that he will accept punishment if its not "too harsh." What does that mean? He can not accept punishment?

he can appeal with the players union.

nuclearchihuahuas
04-19-2010, 08:20 PM
he can appeal with the players union.

but wouldn't he be appealing to the Commissioner? or is there another appellate group I am unaware of?

andyg1984
04-19-2010, 08:32 PM
awesome article !

BlitzburghRockCity
04-20-2010, 12:56 AM
he can appeal with the players union.

Right, and you can bet the NFLPA will be watching this very closely tomorrow and if they think it's too harsh they will appeal it. Perhaps Ben is saying if the NFLPA thinks it's fair he'll not fight it?

nuclearchihuahuas
04-20-2010, 02:23 PM
So...would the players union "override" the Commissioner's decision? That doesn't make sense...even if he decides to "look at it again" wouldn't he only be convening with himself? This whole punishement situation seems to be solely at the discretion of one man. It seems to me that if Ben does not believe the punishment is fair based upon his interpretation of the personal conduct policy than he should go into a court of law or better into mediation and make his case. Appealing to the person who made a unilateral decision doesn't make any sense at all. I think this is a flaw in the NFL appellate system.
Of course if he goes into court and loses that would really be bad!

TampaSteelGirl
04-20-2010, 03:22 PM
I think Ben will accept whatever punishment is given...I can't see the commissioner giving him MORE than a 4 game suspension.....I think he'll be given 2 and a promise that he won't ever do this again...

BlacknGold Bleeder
04-20-2010, 03:33 PM
If he does it again it would be his last as a STEELER ...:2cents:

Gettysburgh_Steel
04-20-2010, 08:24 PM
No matter how you slice it , dice it , roll it , shake it , bake it , roast it , broast it , stir fry , boil it , this topic is worn down to nothing . Can't we all let it go .

Woodson_DownUnder
04-21-2010, 11:39 AM
Howie Long said on Mike & Mike this AM best, Ben is a QB he'd pay to go watch, because what he does on the field is amazing and unlike any other QB in the league...I agree, and I'm one to admit I hung him out to dry, but hope I can get over it!

I don't expect that Big Ben wants any sympathy from Steeler Nation.. he'll need that 'time off' to reflect of what he needs to do to re-establish his trust and character back to the Rooney family first & foremost. I really can't see him screwing up again if he wants to be the 'sheer champion' we all know he CAN be. Just hope he gives up the booze PERIOD!! Alcohol (being intoxicated) & drugs (any) destroy lives.. unfortunately some people are too dumb/ incredibly naive and lazy to comprehend common sense.

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No matter how you slice it , dice it , roll it , shake it , bake it , roast it , broast it , stir fry , boil it , this topic is worn down to nothing . Can't we all let it go .

Not really.. I'm a believer that episodes like these type of sagas builds NEW BRIDGES and the Steelers thrive on adversity so this is the type of adversity that shapes the seventh Lombardi. :yellowthumb:

DanRooney
04-21-2010, 07:55 PM
this needs to be put up for those of you who keep ranting he's a rapist without reading the facts. I thought this was a great article and should be shared.

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"The Case Against Ben Roethlisberger's Accuser" by PalmerSucks, Esquire

A "'Sucks Says" Special Report



Well they're out, some 500 pages worth of court documents on "Roethlisbergate" and I've just got done reading a good part of the transcripts. What hasn't helped Ben's case is that the bulk of the alleged victim's and her friend's statements appear first -- all the easier for the media to pick up and feast on. Upon reading, though, I've found that some of these stories – in particular the victim’s and her friend’s -- have more holes than a barn full of Swiss Cheese.

For example, there’s this sad-sounding little song:

Ms. Biancofiore, the accuser's friend, says the woman "was dragged by a bodyguard to the back room in Capital.” http://www.scrippsnews.com/content/witness-says-roethlisberger-bodyguard-dragged-accusor

Elsewhere, though, Ms. Biancofiore sings a slightly different tune:

Student Nicole Biancofiore told Milledgeville officers that Barravecchio "placed his hand" on the young accuser's "shoulder and (applied) a little bit of pressure to guide her" to the staff restroom. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_676653.html?source=rss&feed=3

Well, which is it, Ms. Biancofiore? Was it a case of your friend practically being kidnapped by Ben's goons, or was it, as you suggest later, just a poor drunk girl being "guided" to the bathroom?

Read on and you'll find all kinds of inconsistencies. I've read page after page of them, and based on the large amount of court testimony and commentary out there now, have been able to reconstruct a little "trial" based on the information available. All quotes are attributed to actual sources as linked. And now, without further delay:

I call to the stand Mr. Roethlisberger's accuser, whom out of respect to anonymity granted the alleged victims of sexual assault, shall be referred to as "Miss X."

Miss X, let us establish your initial contact and statement with the police on the night of March 4, 2010:

When she first approached a police officer outside the nightclub immediately after the incident, Mr. Bright said, "The police officer asked 'Did he rape you?' And her response was 'No.' Then he asked, 'Did you have sex?' And she said, 'Well, I'm not sure.' http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10103/1049925-66.stm

So Miss X, not only do you initially deny that Mr. Roethlisberger sexually assaulted you -- you don't even claim you two even had sexual contact to begin with. A short time later, down at the police station, you change your story, and claim you did in fact have sex with Mr. Roethlisberger, and that he in fact forced himself upon you. Thank you, Miss X, that will be all.

To repeat, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Miss X at first wonders whether she or Mr. Roethlisberger had sexual relations at all, let alone that she was "raped" -- and perhaps with good reason. I call to the stand Dr. Cyril Wecht, well-known forensic expert:

Forensic pathologist Dr. Cyril H. Wecht, however, said he was "puzzled" that authorities knew the DNA came from a human male but could not profile the sample and compare it to genetic material from Mr. Roethlisberger. "You don't need a lot of material," Dr. Wecht said. "If you have enough to identify material and have enough to identify it as male and you're not able to do a DNA profile -- I'm puzzled. I really am puzzled." http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10103/1049925-66.stm

Well then, if a renowned expert such as Dr. Wecht finds this whole matter a bit hard to figure – shouldn’t we take note?

I call to the stand another expert on the subject:

A scientist at Orchid Cellmark Inc., a company that does genetic testing, agreed with Dr. Wecht. "If a lab is good with their technology, even from very small amounts of DNA, they can get a decent result," said Dr. Rick W. Staub, Orchid Cellmark's forensics laboratory director, scientific operations. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10103/1049925-66.stm

So now, we have established not one, but two experts who find the lack of DNA evidence available – given the victim’s claim of sexual assault – rather odd.

For the record, it should now be noted, the accuser has identified the type of sexual contact to have occurred -- "unprotected sex." http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html

Well no wonder you are "puzzled," Dr. Wecht -- for if Miss X and Mr. Roethlisberger did have sexual intercourse -- unprotected let's remember -- would not then the alleged victim be a veritable fountain of DNA? And yet, the doctors who examined her after the alleged attack could not find the smallest speck of genetic material from which to base a sample match. How odd - how very, very odd. One would think after contact so alleged a woman would be -- pardon my graphic nature here -- flowing with DNA, a veritable Niagara Falls of the stuff. And yet she turns up bone dry, a Gobi Desert. How on God's green earth is this even possible?

And to make matters clear, Dr. Wecht, you come out and specify the only types of sexual contact that could possibly not leave DNA residue:

Dr. Wecht pointed out that some kinds of sexual assault -- such as a "superficial altercation" -- and some types of sexual contact -- such as oral sex -- could leave no biological calling cards. http://postgazette.com/pg/10083/1045168-66.stm

Did you get that? That's superficial contact, or perhaps oral contact -- as opposed to the full-on intercourse alleged by the victim. And to put things in perspective, Doctor, just what size of specimen would be needed to initiate a DNA test?

...a nanogram of DNA, which is a billionth of a gram. A raisin weighs about a gram, so if you could cut a raisin into a billion pieces, we need one of those. So this particular result was far less than even a nanogram. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10108/1051441-66.stm

Again, Miss X tells us in no uncertain terms that she and Mr. Roethlisberger had unprotected sexual intercourse -- the home-run, all-the-way kind -- certainly not any sort of "superficial altercation" to which Dr. Wecht refers. And yet -- the medical examiners couldn't even obtain a "nanogram" of material needed. How strange -- how very, very strange.

Much has been made of the alleged victim's injuries, particularly bleeding, which the anti-Roethlisberger crowd has pointed to as "sure evidence" of some kind of forced sex. In fact, far from incriminating Mr. Roethlisberger, it may just achieve the opposite.

I call to the stand DA Bright himself, to shed some light on the matter:

Mr. Bright said that after speaking with police, the woman was taken to Oconee Regional Medical Center in Milledgeville, where she was examined by an emergency room doctor and two nurses. Their medical evaluation of her reported superficial laceration, bruising and slight bleeding in the genital area, but the doctor could not say whether the injuries were from any kind of trauma or sexual assault. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10103/1049925-66.stm

So you see, not even the medical examiners could find evidence of forced contact. Again, that's rather strange, don’t you think, given the alleged victim’s claims?

Now then, let's look at the alleged victim's charge in light of two other facts known that night. First, as witnesses have informed us, Mr. Roethlisberger was quite careful not to be photographed with any sort of alcoholic beverage in his hand. Secondly, we know he was conscious of trouble he might get into with young women.

"At The Brick restaurant, Roethlisberger was asked whether he wanted to take the party back to the accuser's sorority house, but he said, "Hell no. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen," student Katie Cromie told investigators." http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_676653.html?source=rss&feed=3

So it's clear Mr. Roethlisberger did in fact have the avoiding of trouble on his mind -- so much so that the mere idea of going near a sorority house scared him. And yet Miss X, you wish us to believe that he'd think nothing of whipping out his genitals in a nightclub -- as you claim -- and sexually assaulting you on a toilet seat. Does this not seem rather inconsistent with his previously noted attitude?

You are expecting us to believe, Miss X, that Mr. Roethlisberger, who've we've established as being aware of the trouble he could get into with women -- conscious of the consequences of his actions as a high-profile professional athlete -- would risk his entire career and fortune by having forced and unprotected sex with a stranger in the bathroom of a nightclub? A man afraid of "lawsuits" would turn around and care nothing about, say, an unwanted pregnancy? Really, truly and seriously?

You are expecting us to believe, Miss X, that a man some six-feet-five, two hundred fifty pounds had sex with you -- on a toilet seat -- in a closet of a bathroom some 5-feet wide? I find it hard to believe the both of you could fit in the thing to begin with -- well, whatever.

I submit to you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that Miss X's first statement to police, on the night of March 4th was in fact the truthful one: that not only did Ben Roethlisberger not rape her, but in fact, most likely never even had sexual intercourse with her, consensual or otherwise. Whatever contact between the two may have occurred, didn’t quite go down the way she said. And thus her claim, and the claims of all her friends, are nothing but fabrications and embellishments, the inconsistencies of which bear out this fact.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury -- the defense rests.

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Now then, if some yahoo on the 'net like me can pick apart the accuser’s story like this, imagine what a real attorney would do to her during discovery. Maybe that's the real reason she and her family didn't want this to proceed any further?

In his post-investigation news conference, District Attorney Fred Bright declined to prosecute Roethlisberger because he could not prove a rape happened "beyond a reasonable doubt." I believe he knew the likely falsehood of the alleged victim's claim the whole time -- but rather than scold HER for slinging a false accusation, he chose to go after Mr. Roethlisberger's character instead -- a much safer and more politically correct move. That is perhaps what's most disappointing of all. Far from being "Milledgeville CSI," what we had here was "Milledgeville, BS." Sorry, Mr. Bright, but looks to me like you went after the wrong "victim" here.

You can say a lot of things about Ben Roethlisberger -- that he's dumb, foolish, reckless and may not be the world's number-one gentleman. But what you CAN'T talk about, it's clear, are things you "know" happened, nonsense like Ben having his goons drag (again, Ms. Biancofiore, which is it?) some helpless young drunk girl down a dark hallway, where Ben was waiting to pounce with his junk already out of his pants. How ANYONE is taking this stuff seriously is beyond me. Unfortunately, though, this kind of juicy story is what sells, compounded by the fact that Roethlisberger and the team have decided to clam up in the hopes of having the thing blow over sooner. Which only adds to the "credibility" of the accuser's story.

A question for the "dump Ben" crowd: would you still feel the same way if you found out this latest incident was based on a lie? And so Pittsburgh, and so Stillers Nation, despise your quarterback if you must. Just make sure you're doing it for the right reasons.

(The views of PalmerSucks are not those of Stillers.com -- but should be.)

steelcitysfinestXL
04-21-2010, 08:09 PM
Good find... Innocent or guilty, he is obviously not in the best graces when it comes to the NFL. Hense the reason why i wanted the steelers, not the NFL, to suspend him. Lets just say, we keep Ben and he is a model citizen for this next season. In the off-season he goes out to a bar/club, stays totally sober and goes home. The next morning, he wakes up and some NEW girl says she was sexually assulted. HE IS SCREWED! Because the next move for the nfl is a indefinate suspension (10 game minimum and he has to be allowed back in the league). If it sounds far fetched, well its kinda like EXACTLY what we all want to believe happened in the first two cases.

If the NFL would have let the Rooneys suspend him, an instance like the one i suggested could be looked at as completely BOGUS and dismissed because he has no prior history/suspension with the league.

What im saying is, all it takes is for him to be stupid, set-up or just wrong place wrong time, and we lose a huge investment and get NOTHING for him going foward!

Big T
04-21-2010, 10:17 PM
Thank you...people find it so easy to crucify Ben and call him a rapist but they don't see that there are a few differet sides to each story...I'm not saying that nothing happened but no one can say for sure, 100% that he did, or did not, rape her...it's unbelievable how some people are calling for his head based on a very sketchy allegation and witnesses who keep changing up their stories....If Ben gets traded, which would be beyond stupid, don't start whining when we are consistantly losing because we can't find a franchise QB...Once Ben gets back from his suspension and starts winning games for us, all of you calling for his head will have all but forgotten this...

SteelCityKid5
04-21-2010, 10:49 PM
Ehhh still, what are you doing with a 20 year old in a bathroom of a college town bar? Ben's first case with McCrazy I dont think happened but this one, not so much.

Real Deal Steel
04-21-2010, 11:32 PM
Ehhh still, what are you doing with a 20 year old in a bathroom of a college town bar? Ben's first case with McCrazy I dont think happened but this one, not so much.


There are 28 year old guys with 20 year old women all across this country in various bars. Why is everyone acting like what he did was so abnormal??? He's a horny young man like all 28 year old guys are.

Big T
04-21-2010, 11:43 PM
There are 28 year old guys with 20 year old women all across this country in various bars. Why is everyone acting like what he did was so abnormal??? He's a horny young man like all 28 year old guys are.

not to mention the fact that he may not have known she was only 20, seeing as how she got in with a fake ID...

BlitzburghRockCity
04-22-2010, 12:55 AM
It's like so many of us have said from the onset...people just hear what they want to hear. Some drunk chick cries foul play and all of the sudden the entire country is up in arms over allegations. It's disheartening to see the Steeler Nation be so quick to try and run him out of town and be content to go back to losing again in the name justice?

Justice? my ***!!! There's no justice in how people are treating him, period!

bobbybelliv
04-22-2010, 01:22 AM
This is starting to go viral on FB, PLEASE POST if you have an account. The chick is not as innocent as the media has portrayed her. "DTF" seriously.... WTF!!!