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darnik44
02-02-2010, 10:04 AM
For 61 years now, the annual Senior Bowl has been a vital scouting tool for NFL teams. For the last 60 years, Mobile, Alabama has become the unofficial home of the NFL for this week. Each year we have players who help their draft stock during this week, and then there are those who hurt their stock. The Senior Bowl week is the first exposure these prospects have to NFL coaching and an NFL style practice week and game. It is a very good way to evaluate these prospects against the highest level of competition they have ever seen.


Risers

Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati

Gilyard came into Mobile underrated and overlooked by most in my opinion. Despite a solid career against quality opponents and a made for T.V. type of path to get where he now is, most had written Gilyard off. You often hear people go straight to talk about his size, his long speed, and the Brian Kelly "system." Gilyard did a lot to silence those critics a bit.

Read more... (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/news-and-information/senior-bowl/blog/447.html)

Zachintosh66
02-02-2010, 12:53 PM
Risers
Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati

even after his run in with the police?

darnik44
02-02-2010, 01:13 PM
even after his run in with the police?

What run in with the police?

Zachintosh66
02-02-2010, 02:27 PM
he was arrested in Mobile for Pot possesion

darnik44
02-02-2010, 02:36 PM
he was arrested in Mobile for Pot possesion

No he wasn't. This is why reading headlines isn't enough, you should read the attached article too.

There was an article somewhere, I saw it too. The Headline said he was arrested for pot. The reality is, it was an article that talked about how he was open with teams about getting arrested as a teen for pot possesion.

--- Added 2/2/2010 at 12:36 PM ---



Draft-hopeful Gilyard reveals marijuana arrest

Posted by Evan Silva on January 29, 2010 7:28 PM ET

University of Cincinnati wide receiver/return specialist Mardy Gilyard dominated the Big East to the tune of 87 catches for 1,191 yards and 11 touchdowns as a senior, adding three scores on punt and kickoff returns. He was named the conference's Special Teams Player of the Year and first-team All-Big East in both 2008 and 2009.

Gilyard is also not hiding his high school arrest during interviews at the Senior Bowl.

"Character's a big issue, so I tell them straight up," Gilyard said. "I was arrested in high school for possession of marijuana and attempt to distribute. I didn't have no problem telling (them) that." Gilyard blames the arrest on being "young and dumb," and says he isn't proud of his past misdeeds.

While off-field issues will remain a red flag to teams considering Gilyard in April's draft, his approach is admirable and smart. It also contrasts with that of Nebraska LB Cody Glenn last year. The Redskins' fifth-round pick, Glenn lied about the reasons for his senior-year suspension to get truth seekers off his back.

Gilyard has drawn mixed reviews for his play down in Mobile. A projected late first- to second-round pick entering the event, the fifth-year senior has struggled with drops after measuring an inch and a half shorter and eight pounds lighter than he was listed at UC.

He'll get a chance to make up for it in Saturday's game.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/29/draft-hopeful-gilyard-was-arrested-for-marijuana/

coldrolled
02-02-2010, 03:34 PM
Risers


Good read on risers and fallers also.

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2010/1/30/1284985/senior-moments-the-game-edition

andyg1984
02-02-2010, 08:18 PM
What are our chances of landing Dexter m^fin McCluster in the 3rd and Legarette Blount in the 5th?

i have had an XL man crush on Dexter McCluster since he scored 39 TD's as a senior in hsfb .. also followed the much lesser known Legarette Blount ...

crazy to think how the rest of the nation takes so many athletes out of FL ... who knows maybe we can scoop another FL boy to plug the middle -Terrence Cody !

darnik44
02-02-2010, 10:33 PM
What are our chances of landing Dexter m^fin McCluster in the 3rd and Legarette Blount in the 5th?

i have had an XL man crush on Dexter McCluster since he scored 39 TD's as a senior in hsfb .. also followed the much lesser known Legarette Blount ...

crazy to think how the rest of the nation takes so many athletes out of FL ... who knows maybe we can scoop another FL boy to plug the middle -Terrence Cody !

I would say the chances of being able to get each of them in those rounds is possible. I could buy them wanting McCluster, but I'm not so sure they would have too much interest in Blount. They had a man crush of their own last year on Frank "the tank." They also have Isaac Redman on the shelf as their two "bigger" type backs. Moore will still be the 3rd down guy, and of course Mendenhall is "the guy." So they do need a #2 change of pace/specialty of some sort type of back. McCluster could be that guy. I've personally been targeting Joe McKnight as that guy in the 3rd. I like McKnight a little more because he more prototypical and probably a better runner from the RB position.

K Train
02-02-2010, 10:35 PM
summers will not be on the roster or in football next year

tburg68
02-02-2010, 10:51 PM
summers will not be on the roster or in football next year

You are ready to declare the 2009 draft a complete bust! Hood is crap, Lewis and Burnett couldn't cover anyone, Summers won't be on an NFL roster in 2010 and neither will Urbik. I am willing to give them more than one season to see if they are a complete bust. Three years is a fair evaluation. I'm willing to concede that 2/3 of these players won't pan out, but I'm also not ready to give up on the entire draft.

andyg1984
02-02-2010, 11:10 PM
i definitely understand about the bigger guys we have on the shelf so to speak, but i think that at the end of the day blount will be a much better pro RB than all those backs and if he is there in the fifth it will be difficult, imo, to find guys in that round who will be able to contribute like he can regardless of position ...

schofield in the 6th and blount in the fifth would earn some value points ..

coldrolled
02-03-2010, 09:20 AM
You are ready to declare the 2009 draft a complete bust! Hood is crap, Lewis and Burnett couldn't cover anyone, Summers won't be on an NFL roster in 2010 and neither will Urbik. I am willing to give them more than one season to see if they are a complete bust. Three years is a fair evaluation. I'm willing to concede that 2/3 of these players won't pan out, but I'm also not ready to give up on the entire draft.

we should just trade all this years 3-7th round draft picks for one #2 pick..

:plus1: :lol:

you forgot redman

K Train
02-03-2010, 10:13 AM
last year was a terrible draft.....the drafted hood to play out of position and they reached for him, the drafted urbik WAY to high and i never would have even drafted him. Shipley was probably the worst pick out of all of them, but then summers really makes a case for that too. Burnett was the only player in the top 10 in PR and KR and could do neither last year, lewis is big and physical but so slow and hurt all the time....davis johnson is ok

Mike wallace is pure stud through and through

darnik44
02-03-2010, 11:40 AM
I still hold some hope for Lewis and Burnett. I liked them both quite a bit as prospects, and they both flashed in their own ways during the preseason.

As we all know Mike Wallace was a good pick, and David Johnson wasn't bad for a 7th rounder.

The hell with the rest of the picks though.

K Train
02-03-2010, 11:50 AM
out of all of them the CB have the most hope, i agree

darnik44
02-03-2010, 02:41 PM
out of all of them the CB have the most hope, i agree

I thought Lewis was the better of the two, and I felt like he was a little bit of a steal at the time. But so far it appears Burnett has the edge from the coaching staff. Hopefully they both pan out.

K Train
02-03-2010, 03:21 PM
i like burnett cause hes scrappy, he does make up for his lack of size with some pretty tight coverage...really i think he can be a very good NB. Lewis has always been a FS to me, and not even a good one but he gets compared to ike by the coaches and players but realistically hes not anywhere near as fast as ike, maybe from a physicality stand point he can draw that comparison but not in coverage as far as ive seen. burnett is also pretty solid on ST coverage and kick units...pretty sure he blocked a kick this year right?

I do think gay is still the better option of the 3, gay was picked on this year but hes really not as terrible as everyone makes him out to be the entire defense was in shambles without troy and smith. im hoping they can land a guy like robinson or ghee in the second....i think haden and wilson are the first round guys and robinson, ghee and cox will go in round 2....im not sure how i feel about cox though

andyg1984
02-03-2010, 05:01 PM
what don't you like about cox? is it more of a physical or charachter thing?

kind of curious why you like robinson also ...

tburg68
02-03-2010, 05:06 PM
how this draft class pans out. I don't think I will call it all a bust or a waste or whatever until that time. Lewis was injured, he deserves to be evaluated on the field as well as Burnett. You can't call a 7th round pick a bust, they rarely make an impact anyway. I think Hood can have a good impact on D.

K Train
02-03-2010, 06:16 PM
what don't you like about cox? is it more of a physical or charachter thing?

kind of curious why you like robinson also ...

i like robinsons upside, he wouldnt make an impact anywhere his rookie year, hes a 4th CB/STer his rookie year no matter where he goes because hes pretty raw....but that being said hes got great speed and is explosive and his hips and ability to change directions is like DRCs was a few years ago, just very smooth.

i think he would mirror a bryant mcfadden pick by us, same school, similar abilites but even faster. hes probably the only player on the planet to chase noel devine down from behind.

i think he will go higher than we pick in the second though, i could see the cowboys taking him in the first at 27 since newman is becoming less effective and he could play 4th WR without a problem his rookie year....with nicks, smith, manningham, jackson, maclin, and some skins wrs with alot of potential the cowboys might want to sure up their CBs a little more

Silverback
02-04-2010, 02:44 PM
Lol manningham already? He had one half of a good season. Nicks is the real deal though, loved him out of...NC(?) last year.

K Train
02-04-2010, 02:57 PM
manningham has some dropsies but hes always a quick WR and never did i say he was great....i dont think steve smith is great either but for a 3rd WR manningham is a good player and all i was saying was it wouldnt shock me to see the cowboys use their first pick on a corner despite just using one on jenkins 2 years ago....is that ok with you?

steelcitysfinestXL
02-05-2010, 11:50 AM
i like robinsons upside, he wouldnt make an impact anywhere his rookie year, hes a 4th CB/STer his rookie year no matter where he goes because hes pretty raw....but that being said hes got great speed and is explosive and his hips and ability to change directions is like DRCs was a few years ago, just very smooth.

i think he would mirror a bryant mcfadden pick by us, same school, similar abilites but even faster. hes probably the only player on the planet to chase noel devine down from behind.

i think he will go higher than we pick in the second though, i could see the cowboys taking him in the first at 27 since newman is becoming less effective and he could play 4th WR without a problem his rookie year....with nicks, smith, manningham, jackson, maclin, and some skins wrs with alot of potential the cowboys might want to sure up their CBs a little more

I agree with you 100% and have been saying that since i saw him play against WVU! To add: Robinson is physical, a sure tackler in the run and in coverage, good hitter for a corner and goes from back pedal to foward sprint like NOW! Combine that with good insticts and a guy who has played WR with great hands and you have a great pick up in the second round! I like the B-Mac comparison although i think he has more speed!
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also think with what we saw in the playoffs Dallas should and may go Oline early. Just a hunch but they are aging up front and not very effective with 3 stud runningbacks and a young QB. I see them going Oline or WR 1st pick... just my :2cents:

andyg1984
02-05-2010, 01:10 PM
robinson a physical player? there is a ton of evidence prior to the gator bowl that robinson is a project as k pointed out .. watch his games vs Miami, UF and last but certainly least Jacksonville State .. riley cooper is slow and unathletic imo and still got the better of Robinson on many plays.. to say that he is inconsistent is generous, but a developed player of his style may play well with ike imo ...



anyways, no Andre Roberts on the risers??? i don't like to use the word, but he looked natural at WR ..

Silverback
02-05-2010, 04:05 PM
manningham has some dropsies but hes always a quick WR and never did i say he was great....i dont think steve smith is great either but for a 3rd WR manningham is a good player and all i was saying was it wouldnt shock me to see the cowboys use their first pick on a corner despite just using one on jenkins 2 years ago....is that ok with you?

Ha, sure I just thought Manningham was an interesting name to throw out there.

As per the above post, Riley Cooper is the farthest thing from unathletic, he choose football over baseball after being drafted into the MLB like a lot of other college players. He's a projected 4.5 guy but he thinks everyone has him too high and people close to him say hes more a 4.4 guy but we'll see. He was getting separation on everybody at the senior bowl practices.

andyg1984
02-05-2010, 05:35 PM
look i know about cooper, he sucks at basball and is good enough to be drafted as a WR and that is it .. by unathletic i mean easy to cover

as for the for the senior bowl, this is from walterfootball:

Florida WR Riley Cooper had a real hard time getting off the line versus the jam.

he is another gator bust, look at his style - that is easy to cover ..

WR's that are his size and the speed you are referring to are obviously a rare commodity, if he was a solid football player he would be a first round prospect .. i would rather have andre roberts type WR ...speaking of which , what does everyone think about roberts??

K Train
02-06-2010, 04:43 AM
robinson is a very fast corner, he just may take a year to be a reasonable player on the field....but drafting him on his potential is not the worst idea for a team like dallas that has newman with at least another year or two of effectiveness. dallas is in love with iupati but he wont be there, but bruce campbell may be there and they would take him....however if he does run a 4.9 and shows hes a master pass blocker he may very well go high in the first despite sucking.

cooper sucks, a gator failure not named percy harvin who was special....every other florida WR...the curse is true