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darnik44
01-02-2010, 02:52 PM
I'm going to be doing a ton of scouting reports over the next few months leading up to the draft. As I do them I will just add them to this original post. Hopefully many of you will find these useful, helpful, or whatever. I welcome feedback and questions. Feel free to use any immages from the scouting reports in any way you would like.

Ndamukong Suh, DT/DE, Nebraska (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/236-suh.html)

Eric Berry, S/CB, Tennessee (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/237-eric-berry.html)

Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/238-gerald-mccoy-dt-oklahoma.html)

Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/239-russell-okung.html)

Rolando McClain, ILB/OLB, Alabama (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/240-rolando-mcclain.html)

Derrick Morgan, DE/OLB, Georgia Tech (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/241-derrick-morgan.html)

Anthony Davis, OT/OG, Rutgers (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/242-anthony-davis.html)

C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/243-cj-spiller.html)

Joe Haden, CB, Florida (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/244-joe-haden.html)

Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/245-jared-odrick-dt-penn-state.html)

Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/246-mardy-gilyard.html)

Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/247-brandon-graham.html)

Terrence Cody, DT/NT, Alabama (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/248-terrence-cody.html)

Sean Weatherspoon, OLB, Missouri (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/249-sean-weatherspoon-olb-missouri.html)

Arrelious Benn, WR/RB, Illinois (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/307-arrelious-benn.html)

Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/250-dez-bryant.html)

Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/251-brandon-spikes.html)

Earl Thomas, S, Texas (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/252-earl-thomas.html)

Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/253-bryan-bulaga.html)

Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/254-golden-tate.html)

Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/257-tony-pike.html)

Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/266-mike-iupati.html)

Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, Texas Christian (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/255-jerry-hughes.html)

Silverback
01-02-2010, 02:54 PM
More, I already read those, ha good work.

darnik44
01-02-2010, 03:11 PM
More, I already read those, ha good work.

Cool, glad to hear it. I'll have more. I hope to get a chance and the motivation to atleast get Terrence Cody's done some time today. He's a prospect that a lot of Steelers fans should be interested in because he should at least be on the Steelers radar.

Silverback
01-02-2010, 09:52 PM
Yeah as a Steelers fan I'm definitely more interested in the NT prospects this year, particularly Cody and Williams.

darnik44
01-02-2010, 09:56 PM
Yeah as a Steelers fan I'm definitely more interested in the NT prospects this year, particularly Cody and Williams.

Yeah I'm with ya. I like both of them, and think they have high odds to be the pick at this point. They are in that likely group of 6 or 7 prospects right now.

darnik44
01-03-2010, 09:27 AM
Terrence Cody and Sean Weatherspoon added. Dez Bryant, followed by Brandon Spikes up next.

darnik44
01-05-2010, 12:28 AM
Arrelious Benn, WR/RB, Illinois (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/307-arrelious-benn.html)

darnik44
01-08-2010, 09:55 AM
Here's a couple more...

Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/250-dez-bryant.html)

Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/251-brandon-spikes.html)

Earl Thomas, S, Texas (next)

SteelSkin37
01-08-2010, 11:56 PM
:helmet: Good work on the draft prospects. Everyone loves Berry for a first round and I do to. I think Haden would also be a great player for us as well. I cant wait till the draft. Alot of talent to choose from.:tt02:

K Train
01-09-2010, 12:24 AM
i wish people would understand that

almost unanimous top corner+our need for a corner DOESNT equal a perfect fit

he would fail with us, be careful what you wish for

darnik44
01-10-2010, 04:45 AM
i wish people would understand that

almost unanimous top corner+our need for a corner DOESNT equal a perfect fit

he would fail with us, be careful what you wish for

Yeah he plays nothing like our corners, he actually locks on to the receiver he is supposed to cover and as crazy as it sounds he covers him. He really wouldn't fit in well with that group.

cmerrifield
01-10-2010, 12:46 PM
Yeah he plays nothing like our corners, he actually locks on to the receiver he is supposed to cover and as crazy as it sounds he covers him. He really wouldn't fit in well with that group.

Except we dont play a lot of man coverage, so that would be a problem if he locks on one man and covers him now wouldnt it.

Cody is right out for the Steelers, Tomlin doesnt like Hampton because of his attitude and laziness and Cody has the same problem. Everyone can say Cody this and that, but the reality is that he will not be a Steeler.

K Train
01-10-2010, 12:50 PM
i think he may be a steeler, hes been working hard to get in better shape so he doesnt have to come out on every passing down.

right now my list is like this

Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga
Earl Thomas
Terrence Cody
Brandon Spikes

cmerrifield
01-10-2010, 12:54 PM
I would be happy with Cody if he works hard. In fact, I would love to see another NT drafted who can be here for 8-10 years as the starter. I just think that if there is any hint of laziness in Cody, Tomlin wont go for him.

K Train
01-10-2010, 12:57 PM
the draft is the kevin colbert show, tomlin really doesnt have that much input to begin with....not that his opinion isnt listened to, the GM puts the players on the roster and the coach maximizes their potential

Black@Gold Forever32
01-10-2010, 01:23 PM
i think he may be a steeler, hes been working hard to get in better shape so he doesnt have to come out on every passing down.

right now my list is like this

Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga
Earl Thomas
Terrence Cody
Brandon Spikes

I have the same list...lol

1. Bulaga or Davis

2. Earl Thomas

3. Terrence Cody

4. Brandon Spikes

JensK
01-10-2010, 01:26 PM
I have the same list...lol

1. Bulaga or Davis

2. Earl Thomas

3. Terrence Cody

4. Brandon Spikes

Pretty much same here... I would rather have Bulaga over Davis, and im still not sure if i wouldnt put Earl Thomas ahead of a tackle, but i would be happy either way.

K Train
01-10-2010, 01:30 PM
davis may shoot up draft boards, hes better than bulaga....wait til workouts and stuff start happening, you'll be on the bandwagon lol. i like bulaga alot, a personal favorite of mine but davis is potentially the second best tackle this year.

earl thomas just looks like he could be special, if hes there at 18 he should be a steeler

Black@Gold Forever32
01-10-2010, 01:43 PM
davis may shoot up draft boards, hes better than bulaga....wait til workouts and stuff start happening, you'll be on the bandwagon lol. i like bulaga alot, a personal favorite of mine but davis is potentially the second best tackle this year.

earl thomas just looks like he could be special, if hes there at 18 he should be a steeler

Dude I was on the Anthony Davis bandwagon a long time ago...lol Goes back to early 2008.....lol I would prefer Bulaga slightly over Davis but either one and I'm happy.......

Earl Thomas and a healthy Troy Polamalu would be scary and that is why Thomas is second on my list......But Cody easily could be second here to.....

ILB is a need and that is why I have Spikes but I would prefer McClain.....But noway McClain will fall to 18......

JensK
01-10-2010, 01:55 PM
Can't wait for The Combine. At the time, i'll be going to USA roadtrip, so i'll have to catch some stats along the way.

Offtopic question: Can a "normal" person go a watch prodays? Id love to catch one of those. I should be around LA at the time, so that would be way cool.

K Train
01-10-2010, 01:56 PM
anthony davis is a ryan clady clone, and unfortunately i think he will go top 10, but with okung, davis, williams, bulaga, ducasse all almost first round locks and campbell along with several others fringe guys its likely we will have a shot at a legit LT at 18, most likely bulaga or ducasse at 18

also iupati is likely to go in the first....now we dont need a guard but hes considered one of those rare first round guards, theres gonna be alot of linemen slip cause theres alot of talent elsewhere this year as well

darnik44
01-10-2010, 03:15 PM
the draft is the kevin colbert show, tomlin really doesnt have that much input to begin with....not that his opinion isnt listened to, the GM puts the players on the roster and the coach maximizes their potential

Not so, but that's how it should be. I saw an interview with Tomlin going into his first draft. He was asked how "head-strong" he would be in the war room on draft day. He said, (something to the effect) "I was head-strong and opinionated as a position coach, then even more as a coordinator, so you better believe I'll be head-strong as a head coach."

That year he was the only head coach, GM, or coordinator at Florida State's pro day. He raved about Lawrence Timmons, and then we all know the rest.

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Except we dont play a lot of man coverage, so that would be a problem if he locks on one man and covers him now wouldnt it.

Cody is right out for the Steelers, Tomlin doesnt like Hampton because of his attitude and laziness and Cody has the same problem. Everyone can say Cody this and that, but the reality is that he will not be a Steeler.

Any lack of man coverage is due to the inability for our corners to do so. Trust me, Dick LeBeau's life would be much easier if he had a true shutdown corner he could just man up on a teams #1 WR. Look how well it works for the Jets. Haden is the best CB prospect since Revis (who I got blasted on this site for suggesting the Steelers should draft). I got blasted for that and for having him ranked ahead of Leon Hall and Chris Houston.

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anthony davis is a ryan clady clone, and unfortunately i think he will go top 10, but with okung, davis, williams, bulaga, ducasse all almost first round locks and campbell along with several others fringe guys its likely we will have a shot at a legit LT at 18, most likely bulaga or ducasse at 18

also iupati is likely to go in the first....now we dont need a guard but hes considered one of those rare first round guards, theres gonna be alot of linemen slip cause theres alot of talent elsewhere this year as well

Davis is about half way between Clady and Andre Smith. I love Davis, so I'm not knocking him with the Smith comparison. Clady had silky smooth technique and feet as a prospect, Davis does not. Davis run blocks like Smith, he's dominantm nasty, and finishes his blocks in the run game.

Ducasse is a 3rd round guard propsect. Don't believe the hype on him.

--- Added 1/10/2010 at 02:15 PM ---

Earl Thomas, S, Texas (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/252-earl-thomas.html) Scouting Report added

JensK
01-10-2010, 03:18 PM
I honestly think that Earl Thomas is pretty much as good as Eric Berry in coverage. Sure, he is not the athlete that Berry is, and he does not play the run as well, but Earl Thomas dominates in coverage.

darnik44
01-10-2010, 03:23 PM
I honestly think that Earl Thomas is pretty much as good as Eric Berry in coverage. Sure, he is not the athlete that Berry is, and he does not play the run as well, but Earl Thomas dominates in coverage.

You are right that there's not a huge gap between the two. Consider Berry has one full season more under his belt. What if Thomas went back for his junior year? He very well could have been spoken about in the same light. He would have been ranked in just about everyone's top 5, or atleast 10.

Black@Gold Forever32
01-10-2010, 05:03 PM
I like Thomas more actually......I know that sounds crazy buts its just a personal opinion of mine.....

Big T
01-10-2010, 06:47 PM
I like Earl Thomas as much as anybody but he's not as good as Eric Berry...Eric Berry is the best safety prospect in a LONG time...he's in a class of his own...Earl Thomas has the potential to be just as good, but he isn't yet...

Look back at all my previous posts though...Earl Thomas is my guy and I hope he is a steeler....

K Train
01-10-2010, 07:08 PM
Not so, but that's how it should be. I saw an interview with Tomlin going into his first draft. He was asked how "head-strong" he would be in the war room on draft day. He said, (something to the effect) "I was head-strong and opinionated as a position coach, then even more as a coordinator, so you better believe I'll be head-strong as a head coach."

That year he was the only head coach, GM, or coordinator at Florida State's pro day. He raved about Lawrence Timmons, and then we all know the rest.

--- Added 1/10/2010 at 02:10 PM ---



Any lack of man coverage is due to the inability for our corners to do so. Trust me, Dick LeBeau's life would be much easier if he had a true shutdown corner he could just man up on a teams #1 WR. Look how well it works for the Jets. Haden is the best CB prospect since Revis (who I got blasted on this site for suggesting the Steelers should draft). I got blasted for that and for having him ranked ahead of Leon Hall and Chris Houston.

--- Added 1/10/2010 at 02:13 PM ---



Davis is about half way between Clady and Andre Smith. I love Davis, so I'm not knocking him with the Smith comparison. Clady had silky smooth technique and feet as a prospect, Davis does not. Davis run blocks like Smith, he's dominantm nasty, and finishes his blocks in the run game.

Ducasse is a 3rd round guard propsect. Don't believe the hype on him.

--- Added 1/10/2010 at 02:15 PM ---

Earl Thomas, S, Texas (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/252-earl-thomas.html) Scouting Report added
i have admitted my wrongness on revis, i love the guy hes just dreamy for a CB, i think i love him so much now just because he made me look like a ****ing idiot about him....i respect that. i do not believe haden is anything on the same level as him though, i dont think haden would stand up against mckelvin or DRC in prior years either. i did not like leon hall back then either, i admit though that i am wayyyyy picky about corners in the first. i do like warren this year, more than i ever liked hall

and i see what your saying about smith/davis....smith SHOULD be badass, but hes a fatass instead. Theres still alot to be learned about ducasse, im not buying the hype i really dont know much about him but hes fling up alot of draft boards....i dont really have a judgement on him yet.

i think berry is sensational, but i love thomas, and i hate mays and i like allen.....thats my safety analysis lol

darnik44
01-10-2010, 09:05 PM
i have admitted my wrongness on revis, i love the guy hes just dreamy for a CB, i think i love him so much now just because he made me look like a ****ing idiot about him....i respect that. i do not believe haden is anything on the same level as him though, i dont think haden would stand up against mckelvin or DRC in prior years either. i did not like leon hall back then either, i admit though that i am wayyyyy picky about corners in the first. i do like warren this year, more than i ever liked hall

and i see what your saying about smith/davis....smith SHOULD be badass, but hes a fatass instead. Theres still alot to be learned about ducasse, im not buying the hype i really dont know much about him but hes fling up alot of draft boards....i dont really have a judgement on him yet.

i think berry is sensational, but i love thomas, and i hate mays and i like allen.....thats my safety analysis lol

That phony Scott Wright pulled Ducasse name out of his ***, and all of the other phony's out there followed suit. Happens every year.

It's still not too late to catch the Haden train. You missed the Revis train. Haden might win defensive rookie of the year. He's that good.

K Train
01-10-2010, 09:11 PM
That phony Scott Wright pulled Ducasse name out of his ***, and all of the other phony's out there followed suit. Happens every year.

It's still not too late to catch the Haden train. You missed the Revis train. Haden might win defensive rookie of the year. He's that good.

ive looked at some ducasse material....hes not awful, i think he could possible be a riser if he shows some athleticism at the combine, hes got the size and thats for damn sure....but you never know, sebastian vollmer had a nice rookie year and no one expected that, but i also loved cornelius lewis last year and hes a nobody right now.

we will hold off on the haden train, im not ruling it out....but i do not think hes revis good because i think revis is all-world good right now, simply the most dominate corner in the league

andyg1984
01-10-2010, 10:41 PM
here is a little on the cody endurance topic from Kiper .. don't get me wrong i like cody and am more of a mayock guy + i realize he is sizing him up vs 4-3dt's, but still sort of interesting ...

That attribute is endurance. Look at Cody's relative lack of playing time in a key, four-game SEC stretch that the Crimson Tide recently went through (at Kentucky, at Mississippi, vs. South Carolina, vs. Tennessee).


Alabama faced 116 rushing plays in those games and Cody was on the field for only 68 of them, or 58.6 percent. Nick Saban's defense also faced 165 pass plays and Cody was in the game on but 54 of those plays, or 32.7 percent. Add the two together and Cody was in the Alabama defensive lineup on only 122 of 281 plays -- or only 43.4 percent of the time. To look at it another way, he was on the field for approximately 30 out of 70 plays per game.

That sounds like a low number, but a key element in the Draft Lab series is that any collegiate totals have to be compared to NFL totals to see how they contrast. The expectation is that a draft prospect should be able to post totals against the lower level of competition in college that are appreciably better than a pro player's totals against NFL talent.

In Cody's case, a perfect comparison would be how his playing time matches up against that of NFL nose tackles. I don't have those numbers available, but I do have a reasonable facsimile in a 2007 study I did on playing time for three top 4-3 defensive tackles the previous season: Albert Haynesworth, Cory Redding and Kevin Williams. Here are the results of that study:

Three Of The Best
2007 endurance metrics for some of the best nose tackles in the National Football League:

2007 endurance metrics for some of the best nose tackles in the National Football League:

Player Plays in games Plays not in games Total plays % of time on field
Albert Haynesworth 532 370 902 59.0
Cory Redding 858 227 1,085 79.1
Kevin Williams 866 214 1,080 80.2

At the time of the study, Redding and Williams were both noted for their ability as every-down players, but Haynesworth had the same knock on him about his inability to stay on the field that he has today. If Cody's collegiate playing time doesn't even match Haynesworth's it cannot be seen as a good sign, but there is a caveat: Alabama has a deep defensive line rotation. It is possible that Cody could play more, but without a way of measuring endurance, NFL teams will have a tough time determining if that is the case.

That isn't the only caveat, however. Cody reportedly weighed more than 400 pounds as a juco player, and the first thing the Crimson Tide coaching staff told him when he transferred to Alabama was that he would have to lose a good deal of weight in order to get on the field. He certainly accomplished that, with his reported weight now at 354 pounds, but it very well could be that the Bama coaching staff still lacks faith in his ability to stay on the field for longer periods of time.

The Haynesworth comparison is also not entirely apt because Cody's performance metrics in these four games come nowhere close to matching Haynesworth's totals. Cody did draw a higher rate of double-teams (63.6 percent to Haynesworth's 2007 double-team mark of 51.3 percent) but he notched only five Point of Attack (POA) blocking wins in 22 POA runs, or a win rate of 22.7 percent. In the three full seasons of run metrics I have completed on Haynesworth over the years, his POA win rates were 43.4 percent (2005), 32.3 percent (2007) and 23.8 percent (2008). Haynesworth's metrics are a high bar to reach, but if Cody cannot exceed those totals against college blockers, it stands to reason that he might struggle to equal those numbers at the pro level.

JensK
01-11-2010, 07:45 AM
I like Earl Thomas as much as anybody but he's not as good as Eric Berry...Eric Berry is the best safety prospect in a LONG time...he's in a class of his own...Earl Thomas has the potential to be just as good, but he isn't yet...

Look back at all my previous posts though...Earl Thomas is my guy and I hope he is a steeler....

As i said, i agree that Berry is better overall, but i don't think he is that much better as a pure coverage Safety. If Earl Thomas went back to school, he would probably be mentioned in the same breath as Eric Berry (or close at least :P). That being said, i would still kill for Berry.

darnik44
01-11-2010, 09:49 AM
2 more...

Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/253-bryan-bulaga.html)

Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/254-golden-tate.html)

TEEMONT
01-11-2010, 12:45 PM
I would not hate for Bulaga to fall to 18...not one little bit.

JensK
01-11-2010, 01:17 PM
I would not hate for Bulaga to fall to 18...not one little bit.

It is because he is white, isnt it? :grin1:

No srsly, If no Earl Thomas, i would go Bulaga if he is there, even if Cody is there too. Screw NT! We'll just outscore them :P

K Train
01-11-2010, 01:22 PM
bulaga is my #2 guy, right after davis and right before thomas

darnik44
01-11-2010, 01:35 PM
Steelers Draft Board...

1. Eric Berry, FS, Tennessee
2. Ndamukong Suh, DE, Nebraska
3. Russell Okung, LT, Oklahoma State
4. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
5. Anthony Davis, LT, Rutgers
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
8. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
9. Bryan Bulaga, LT, Iowa
10. Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
12. Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
13. C.J. Spiller, RB/KR, Clemson

TRADE DOWN

14. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
15. Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
16. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
17. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
18. Trent Williams, RT/OG, Oklahoma
19. Derrick Morgan, DE/OLB, Georgia Tech
20. Their favorite WR on the board

K Train
01-11-2010, 01:41 PM
Steelers Draft Board...

1. Eric Berry, FS, Tennessee
2. Ndamukong Suh, DE, Nebraska
3. Russell Okung, LT, Oklahoma State
4. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
5. Anthony Davis, LT, Rutgers
6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
7. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
8. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
9. Bryan Bulaga, LT, Iowa
10. Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
12. Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
13. C.J. Spiller, RB/KR, Clemson

TRADE DOWN

14. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
15. Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
16. Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
17. Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
18. Trent Williams, RT/OG, Oklahoma
19. Derrick Morgan, DE/OLB, Georgia Tech
20. Their favorite WR on the board

well i wasnt including berry, suh, okung or mcclain.....for obvious reasons

otherwise we are pretty close except i would value thomas over haden and im not crazy about williams as a NT, maybe if i was houston and could put him next to okoye or something

LatrobePA
01-11-2010, 01:51 PM
12. Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida

Would have a shot at him??

K Train
01-11-2010, 02:05 PM
id be very surprised if hes not there at 18

LatrobePA
01-11-2010, 02:29 PM
id be very surprised if hes not there at 18


He's badass, any chance you think we take him if he's there??

K Train
01-11-2010, 02:36 PM
oh yeah, thats why hes #5 on my short list. hes the perfect MLB to play next to a MLB like timmons, timmons is a great pass rusher and is amazing in coverage...but hes awful against the run, spikes, like farrior is a hammer in the middle and can take on guards and blow their **** up. i love timmons but hes playing out of position and we need a compliment like spikes to make up for his shortcomings in the run game

LatrobePA
01-11-2010, 02:51 PM
oh yeah, thats why hes #5 on my short list. hes the perfect MLB to play next to a MLB like timmons, timmons is a great pass rusher and is amazing in coverage...but hes awful against the run, spikes, like farrior is a hammer in the middle and can take on guards and blow their **** up. i love timmons but hes playing out of position and we need a compliment like spikes to make up for his shortcomings in the run game


I got to see a little of him this year, he's all over the place and would look nice in B&G! Thanks for the write up man!

darnik44
01-11-2010, 04:01 PM
well i wasnt including berry, suh, okung or mcclain.....for obvious reasons

otherwise we are pretty close except i would value thomas over haden and im not crazy about williams as a NT, maybe if i was houston and could put him next to okoye or something

I know.

Chances are the first 7 are gone, so that leaves Cody. Cody could be gone too and even Bulaga and Iupati. We very likely could see a trade up or trade down. I've heard Kevin Colbert speak in great length about how they do things. If there is a player they like within range and they think he might not last, they trade up. They also have a trade down point.

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oh yeah, thats why hes #5 on my short list. hes the perfect MLB to play next to a MLB like timmons, timmons is a great pass rusher and is amazing in coverage...but hes awful against the run, spikes, like farrior is a hammer in the middle and can take on guards and blow their **** up. i love timmons but hes playing out of position and we need a compliment like spikes to make up for his shortcomings in the run game

Timmons is playing out of scheme. He's a weakside Tampa 2 OLB. Tomlin's old defense. That explains the man crush he had on him.

K Train
01-11-2010, 04:29 PM
out of scheme is what i meant. he would be amazing playing as a WILL LB, but im glad we have him at the same time....plus depending on what they do with hampton or any NT like cody for that matter we may see a shift to more cover 2 stuff

lets hear your thoughts on dan williams, i told you mine. in houston, tampa, atlanta, carolina, st louis he would be amazing

darnik44
01-11-2010, 04:52 PM
out of scheme is what i meant. he would be amazing playing as a WILL LB, but im glad we have him at the same time....plus depending on what they do with hampton or any NT like cody for that matter we may see a shift to more cover 2 stuff

lets hear your thoughts on dan williams, i told you mine. in houston, tampa, atlanta, carolina, st louis he would be amazing

I agree his best fit would be in a 4 man front. But at the same time I like him as a NT for a 3-4. Any 3-4 NT is going to have a big learning curve, and many also need to add weight. Both apply to Williams, but his style of play is already along the same lines as what the Steelers would ask him to do. I wouldn't want him to be forced into a starting role in 2010 though. If we take him, we have to franchise Hampton and plan on starting Williams in 2011. I also think he could bring a little versatility. I bet he could play DE too. He would be on the big side, but this would only be in an injury type situation.

K Train
01-11-2010, 04:55 PM
i would love him and hood next to each other on the inside....it would make hood less worthless imo. i do agree that hes athletic enough to play on the end, something a guy like cody would never be able to do.

i know hes a big time riser this year, not sur i would be crazy about him in the first, especially at 18.

as far as 34 ends go, i love allen bailey from miami, the man is pure steel

also it is a little bit of an unconventional projection, but i would like corey wootton as a 34 DE, a weak side guy of course but i think he is a guy that would be able to get decent pressure from that spot. people forget that you can have some versatility at that spot, they dont all have to be aaron smith or richard seymour and phenoms against the run....bruce smith got all his sacks playing in a 34, which just shows how great he really was.

just an interesting thought, maybe not for us but for someone

darnik44
01-11-2010, 05:00 PM
To add something...

I fear Tomlin's plan is to move towards the Tampa 2. I fear we will have a defensive roster that is split between the 3-4 and the cover 2, LeBeau will be gone, and Tomlin will be on his way out. We will look like the Colts, all offense and no defense.

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i would love him and hood next to each other on the inside....it would make hood less worthless imo. i do agree that hes athletic enough to play on the end, something a guy like cody would never be able to do.

i know hes a big time riser this year, not sur i would be crazy about him in the first, especially at 18.

as far as 34 ends go, i love allen bailey from miami, the man is pure steel

I think Williams right now would be right on the line of taking at 18 or trading down. Maybe they could move down 2-4 spots, still get him and add a 3rd round pick.

K Train
01-11-2010, 05:02 PM
i fear that as well, it will be a rough time for steeler defense....they have some players to do it but they dont have the guys to get pressure with a 4 man line which would make it hard to execute

JensK
01-12-2010, 04:14 AM
Im sure Tomlin would love it, but i am pretty confident, that LeBeau has pretty much as much to say about that matter as Tomlin. I know Tomlin is HC, but our FO knows LeBeaus value, and they know that his system works. Im confident that Colbert will try to add 3-4 players... However, if they truely desire to go tampa 2, they better start drafting defensive players for it right away, so the curve won't be to long.

To justify the Williams pick, they would have to get a new MLB imo. Spikes would def. justify they pick of Williams, because while Williams can get after the QB (kinda Shaun Rogers like?), he is not the greatest runstuffer, like Cody would be. With Spikes in there, it wouldnt be too much of a problem, and Williams and Hood could def. make some noise on the line. I really hope Hood adds some pounds in the off-season though.

darnik44
01-12-2010, 07:52 AM
The more I think about things, more specifically quotes by Mike Tomlin when he was hired all the way up to now makes me think the chance of them switching to the Tampa 2 is fairly likely. I don't know that they would do it next season, but I'm thinking by 2011 they will be a Tampa 2 team.

Weather you agree or disagree with me, let's take a look at this...

RDE - LaMarr Woodley
DT - Ziggy Hood
DT - Aaron Smith
LDE - Brett Keisel
ROLB - James Harrison
MLB - James Farrior
LOLB - Lawrence Timmons
CB - Ike Taylor
SS - Troy Polamalu
FS - Ryan Mundy or Draft Pick
CB - Willie Gay/Joe Burnett/Keenan Lewis or Draft Pick

K Train
01-12-2010, 09:54 AM
woodley would have to step his **** up and no one is excited about keisel playing DE in a 43 they would need to find a premier pass rusher

darnik44
01-21-2010, 11:12 AM
3 more...

Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/257-tony-pike.html)

Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/266-mike-iupati.html)

Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, Texas Christian (http://www.nfldraftspot.com/component/content/article/52-prospect-spotlight/255-jerry-hughes.html)