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Troyisabeast_43
11-23-2009, 05:11 PM
After the way William Gay has gotten beat time and time again this season and has been out of position,and has missed tackles and missed assignments and everything else that he does wrong. Ive watched McFadden on Arizona the last 3-4 games and Ill tell you something right now if the Steelers had him in their secondary starting opposite of Ike Taylor the Steelers would be a much better football team right now on defense. One thing about McFadden is he is sure tackler,he doesnt miss assignments,he is rarely out of position and is very good at knocking balls down in key situations. All of these things I mentioned are things that William Gay has been pretty much terrible at all season long. It's not like it would have cost a lot to keep McFadden. I dont know what the exact numbers are he got in Arizona but it was something no more then close to 5 million a year which I believed the Steelers could have afforded to match and bring McFadden back. William Gay was absolutely pathetic yesterday especially on the TD to Pope in the 3rd quarter which got the Chiefs right back in the game. Maybe Mr Gay should start focusing more on his play then his dancing and hot dogging ability on the sideline like you see him do time and time again.

Keep in mind if Bryant McFadden doesnt knock that ball down against Reggie Wayne in the end zone on 2nd down before the Vanderjact miss in the playoff game in 2005 there is no One For the Thumb that season. I just think a lot of people are really overlooking the loss of Bryant McFadden to this defense. Gay's play in comparison to McFadden's play is a tremendous drop off in my opinion and it's costing the Steelers big time in the secondary with big plays more and more...The Steelers should have brought BMac back he would have been affordable had they made more of an effort...

LatrobePA
11-23-2009, 05:19 PM
No only person I'm wishing we signed was Cam Cameron when he was canned in Miami.

JensK
11-23-2009, 05:21 PM
For that price, no way in hell. McFadden is playing pretty poor in Arizona this year, so nope. Gay is doing a decent job. He had a bad game against Kansas, but over all, he havnt been that bad honestly. He played lights out against bengals last week, as on of the few

Captcoolhand
11-23-2009, 05:22 PM
I'm :yesnod::thinking::scratch:
Either way, I'm just wondering who talked Tomlin into making that move and does he now regret it?

SteelCityKid5
11-23-2009, 05:40 PM
Good player,too much money. I'll pass.

franchise3
11-23-2009, 05:42 PM
For that price, no way in hell. McFadden is playing pretty poor in Arizona this year, so nope. Gay is doing a decent job. He had a bad game against Kansas, but over all, he havnt been that bad honestly. He played lights out against bengals last week, as on of the few

His 1st half against Doncos was abysmal.

Troyisabeast_43
11-23-2009, 05:56 PM
Gay's play is still too inconsistent for my liking. It just seemed like McFadden always played well when he did play and never had up and down games like Gay is having so far this season. Gay needs to start playing better in coverage and cannot continue to have mental breakdowns like he did numerous times yesterday in Kansas City...

JensK
11-23-2009, 05:58 PM
While i agree that he is way to inconsistant i think the kid has plenty of potential. I think we are stuck with him for some time non-the-less because i have a feeling that the coaches really want either Burnett or keenan lewis to pan out well - they seem really high on both. Too bad we havnt seen either much. Especially Lewis because of all those injuries.

K Train
11-23-2009, 05:58 PM
mcfadden has been awful, at least DRC on the other side of him is either spectacular or terrible....mcfadden has been an AZ bust.

and that is NOT a legit excuse for anything that has happened this seaon

Troyisabeast_43
11-23-2009, 06:08 PM
mcfadden has been awful, at least DRC on the other side of him is either spectacular or terrible....mcfadden has been an AZ bust.

and that is NOT a legit excuse for anything that has happened this seaon

Im not saying it's an excuse for anything all Im saying is McFadden is a better corner then William Gay and a lot of these big plays Gay has been giving up time and time again probably wouldnt have been happening if McFadden was still on the team. Maybe McFadden is another one of those guys that was a product of Dick Lebeau's system and it made him look better then he really is who knows. All I know is William Gay stinks and cant tackle and cant cover...

jpele
11-23-2009, 06:55 PM
McFadden
45 tackles 3 assist 12 passes def.


Gay
43 tackles 8 assist 7 passes def.

Not that much difference,except in pay.

Good article: here (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/295147-a-look-at-the-pittsburgh-steelers-corner-backs-pass-defense)

DanRooney
11-23-2009, 07:01 PM
Gay is awful. From what I've seen from him as a starter, he's always a liability in coverage, his special teams coverage is horrible, and he has hands of stone, like Ike. The guy is a bum.

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McFadden
45 tackles 3 assist 12 passes def.


Gay
43 tackles 8 assist 7 passes def.

Not that much difference,except in pay.

Good article: here (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/295147-a-look-at-the-pittsburgh-steelers-corner-backs-pass-defense)

Gay
Targeted on 80 percent of passing plays :clap:.

LatrobePA
11-23-2009, 08:52 PM
Gay sucks bottom line....IMO Taylor isn't a hell of a lot better (sorry)!

Goodfrom55
11-23-2009, 10:03 PM
Gay seemed to thrive last year in his role, but as a FT starter, teams are going after him. He's soft - the antithesis of Ike.

Mike Tomlin
11-24-2009, 08:52 AM
Man it's crazy the way some of you cats flip-flop here. It wasn't long ago that you guys wanted to boot Mac out of pittsburgh. Look Gay will be ok he will make plays but he's thinking to much and not trusting what he sees. This is his first year as a full starter,he's seeing routes and players he's never faced. All corners go through it early . I like B Mac too but he couldn't beat Deshea out most of his stay here. Between injuries and his asking price , he had to go.

Blazedby92
11-24-2009, 09:00 AM
Man it's crazy the way some of you cats flip-flop here. It wasn't long ago that you guys wanted to boot Mac out of pittsburgh. Look Gay will be ok he will make plays but he's thinking to much and not trusting what he sees. This is his first year as a full starter,he's seeing route and players he's never faced. All corners go through it early. I like e Mac too but he couldn't beat Deshea out most of his stay here. Between injuries and his asking price , he had to go.


:plus1::clap:
Give the kid a chance it's a learning curve and yes he might have hands of stone, that's why he is a corner and not a reciever and Ike is a quality CB that's why they pick on Gay more.
I like Mcfadden but not worth the money.

BlitzburghRockCity
11-24-2009, 09:35 AM
Good grief people, Gay is a first year starter, he's going to make mistakes. McFadden wasn't the best in his first couple years either; partly because he was injured a lot and partly because he just wasn't "getting" it yet. Gay has made a lot of good plays this year, and he's missed a lot too. He'll get better with experience, there's a learning curve with new DB's just like anywhere else. They are exposed more at CB so they get more of the spotlight, both good and bad.

McFadden is a bust in AZ, the money he wanted the team knew he wasn't worth it just yet. He really needed to have 2 good seasons in a row before we went off asking for a boat load of money, and now AZ realizes they overpaid him.

I like McFadden, I wanted him to stay, but I knew he wasn't going too asking for that much money.

SteelCityKid5
11-24-2009, 03:17 PM
I still like willie gay. I'm interested to see if burnett or lewis will ever play this year. IMO, one of them could sub in for deshea in the nickel package. That would be what one or two snaps a series? I like Deshea dont get me wrong, I just dont think hes fast enough. Also, the secondary has to hang on to these intercepted balls. I'm sure its not their intention but at that level of play, you gotta make those plays.

SouthCentral
11-24-2009, 05:46 PM
In case anyone is interested, and if you haven't seen it on the Steelers.com website: Ratliff was released and Corey Ivy has been signed. http://steelers.com/article/114892/

"The Steelers today announced the addition of veteran LB Rocky Boiman and CB Corey Ivy to their active roster. Financial terms of the one-year deals were not released."

"The Steelers made room on their active roster for Boiman and Ivy by releasing second-year LB Donavan Woods and sixth-year CB Keiwan Ratliff. Ratliff signed with the Steelers as an unrestricted free agent this past May. Woods was recently activated from the Steelers’ practice squad on Nov. 17.

Room was made for Palmer on the Steelers’ practice squad when the team released RB Justin Vincent. Vincent had spent time on the Steelers’ practice squad from 2007-09."

weidnerr
11-25-2009, 03:06 PM
Yes I do miss Mcfadden. He made a lot of good plays for us. Gay is not and is soft like Ike at the line of scrimmage and is also missing a lot of tackles.

Woodson_DownUnder
11-29-2009, 08:36 AM
The way I see it... McFadden fitted extremely well in the LeBeau system but is now playing for a different uniform.. his choice to chase the $$$. You just can't compare statistics with 'Big play' Willie Gay (Coach Tomlin Loves the guy.. that Falco last play pick late in the season last year got Coach Tomlin all excited... Big Play Willie Gay.. :lol: )... personally, too undersized to make it from what he's shown. I think the Steelers ought to find other 'suitable CB options' who are ready to PLAY HARD and stay on their feet. :yellowthumb:

BlitzburghRockCity
11-30-2009, 12:48 AM
OK, I am absolutely, officially, off the "support Gay bandwagon". I know he's young, I know he needs time to get better and he is the obvious target, but my God he can't tackle and he sure as hell can't cover.

Zachintosh66
11-30-2009, 01:10 AM
I stress again... GAY IS GARBAGE!

DanRooney
11-30-2009, 01:22 AM
I'm going to pull a good KTrain moment and say I told you so

acero
11-30-2009, 01:34 AM
man !!! william gay couldnt even tackle, he has been terrible

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tomlin should take drastic measures as he did with special teams, maybe bench him over townsend or 1 of the rookies

i guess troy was compensating gays lack of play and now with troy out is more evident, im frustated

Troyisabeast_43
12-21-2009, 06:43 PM
For that price, no way in hell. McFadden is playing pretty poor in Arizona this year, so nope. Gay is doing a decent job. He had a bad game against Kansas, but over all, he havnt been that bad honestly. He played lights out against bengals last week, as on of the few

Still think William Gay is playing "lights out" JensK and McFadden is completely and totally horrific over William Gay??

JensK
12-21-2009, 06:45 PM
Still think William Gay is playing "lights out" JensK and McFadden is completely and totally horrific over William Gay??

I find it utterly hilarious that you have to start a new topic, and bump an old one too... Lets just keep it in the new one, shall we?

andyg1984
12-21-2009, 08:43 PM
- too much $ for D Mac is correct
- i am not sure what positive things people have seen out of Gay

i know we are not supposed to switch topics, but to me this conversation must involve the secondary as a whole ... Tyrone Carter is complete garbage, Clark is becoming a FA and Willie Gay is a target for OC's .. is this something you fix in the draft or something that can be done either internally or in FA?