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BlitzburghRockCity
11-22-2009, 05:25 PM
If Tomlin doesn't overhaul this unit, and I mean overhaul it then we might as well just spot everybody atleast 7 points every week because you know they are gonna get a return of some sort.

The coverage is pathetic, there is no excuse to have returns for TD's week after week after week. This is an NFL football team here with guys that made this roster based on their special teams play. People were let go to "shake things up", so yeah how well did that work out?????

This isn't about Jeff Reed's kickoffs because they were fine today, it's not about Logan's returns because he was doing well, it's about so called coverage units and how inept they are. Do they have to allow a TD before they wake up each week and decide to play?

DanRooney
11-22-2009, 05:28 PM
Exactly, it's about Tomlin

Zachintosh66
11-22-2009, 05:29 PM
hell they cant even talk the talk...

Im glad the "one guy shake up" on ST helped us out alot...

Ambridge
11-22-2009, 05:30 PM
Un-F'n-Believeable!!

Kickoff and Punt Coverage teams were pretty damn good last year now all of a sudden they're back to playing "Cowher Era" Special Teams.

HUNT4SEVEN
11-22-2009, 05:37 PM
Unexcuseable we stunk up the joint on special teams today

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Un-F'n-Believeable!!

Kickoff and Punt Coverage teams were pretty damn good last year now all of a sudden they're back to playing "Cowher Era" Special Teams.

Exactly:yellowthumb:

steel-tex
11-22-2009, 05:53 PM
man i don't know where to start - special teams suck - receivers left alone uncovered -**** poor play calls - execution was terrible most of the time - ben runnin for his life?? this is kc - the colts would kill,us right now.

KSSteelerfan
11-22-2009, 05:54 PM
Unexcuseable we stunk up the joint on special teams today

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Exactly:yellowthumb:

Well said Sixburgh!!!!!:yellowthumb:

DanRooney
11-22-2009, 06:02 PM
man i don't know where to start - special teams suck - receivers left alone uncovered -**** poor play calls - execution was terrible most of the time - ben runnin for his life?? this is kc - the colts would kill,us right now.

No they wouldn't. It would be a similar, close scoring game with them coming out on top because Garcon or some nobody on their team returned a TD and Ben threw a pick at an inopportune time. Same **** happens week in and week out and Tomlin doesn't know how to fix it.

jpele
11-22-2009, 06:03 PM
Why is everyone upset , Tomlin got rid of A. Harrison and retained Bob Ligashesky,you didn't notice the improvement ?

scott0326
11-23-2009, 12:59 AM
The special teams suck unbelievably bad...

BlitzburghRockCity
11-23-2009, 01:07 AM
No they wouldn't. It would be a similar, close scoring game with them coming out on top because Garcon or some nobody on their team returned a TD and Ben threw a pick at an inopportune time. Same **** happens week in and week out and Tomlin doesn't know how to fix it.

At this point it's quite obvious that he doesn't know how to fix it. Nobody in their right minds lets the special teams get this bad and not take drastic measures to fix it. Nobody lets their QB continually force 40 yd pass plays every other play and watch them get turned into interceptions, you can't possibly be that blind that you get rid of 1 guy who didn't play much anyways, to bring up a guy who also didn't play much but everyone says is a great special teamer, and expect that to be the fix.

Woodson_DownUnder
11-23-2009, 01:16 AM
Aside the special teams calamities, the Steelers have to play a smarter brand and that's as much more a concern as the O-line needing a revamp to protect our QB.. I was stunned when I saw Ben just take his chances on his attempted scamper.. where is the blocking?? Just DUMB plan B plays. :cursin:

coldrolled
11-23-2009, 08:27 AM
Why is everyone upset , Tomlin got rid of A. Harrison and retained Bob Ligashesky,you didn't notice the improvement ?

heres a good read for this guy...

The Verdict: No More Excuses!!!
by
Joseph Sirimarco

In the wake of the Steelers absolutely inexcusable loss to the Kansas City Chiefs, a hard look at two problem areas is warranted.

So, no more sugar coating, no more pulling punches. Just the straight, blunt facts and the equally straight, blunt conclusions.

Special teams:

2006: Bob Ligashesky coaches the St. Louis Rams special teams. The Rams' special teams rank dead last in the NFL.

2007: Ligashesky is hired as the Steelers special teams coach. After an exceedingly inordinate amount of time and effort spent on special teams in the offseason and in training camp, the Steelers special teams rank next-to-last in the NFL.

2008: All of the work on special teams seemingly comes to fruition. The Steelers rank second in kickoff coverage and first in punt coverage, although both kickoff and punt return performance is still less than average.

2009: Through ten games, the Steelers special teams rank twenty-ninth (fourth worst) in kick coverage, and average on kick returns.

So, in three of the last four seasons, Bob Ligashesky-coached special teams have ranked among the very worst in the NFL.

Was 2008 indicative of what the Steelers special teams normally are, or was it an aberration?

Yes, talent and execution are important, and the players must bear some responsibility for failure. However, no amount of practice or personnel adjustment can correct a bad system or bad game-scheming.

The evidence is clear. This is not a talent problem. This is not an execution problem. This is a coaching problem. Period. Ligashesky-coached special teams are consistently bad. Only an idiot could arrive at any other conclusion.


Offense:

2001: Bruce Arians is the offensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns. The Browns offense ranks 25th in the NFL.

2002: The Cleveland offense ranks 23rd in the NFL.

2003: The Cleveland offense ranks 26th in the NFL.

This despite promising first-string quarterback Tim Couch running the offense in each of these years.

2004: Ken Whisenhunt is the the Steelers coordinator. The offense ranks 11th in the NFL. Bruce Arians is hired as the wide-receivers coach.

2005: The Steelers offense ranks 9th in the NFL, and the Steelers win the Super Bowl, in spite of Bill Cowher's restrictions on his offensive coordinator.

2006: Ben Roethlisberger has one of his best seasons in regards to passing yardage, and the Steelers offense ranks 13th in the NFL, despite a high number of sacks, interceptions and other turnovers.

2007: Bruce Arians takes over as offensive coordinator. The Steelers rank 10th in offense.

2008: The Steelers offense ranks 20th in the NFL, a large decrease in performance from the previous year. The Steelers win the Super Bowl in spite of Bruce Arians, not because of him.

2009: Through nine games, the Steelers offense ranks 15th.

Ten times last season and so far this season (including last season's playoffs), the Steelers had to drive in the last three minutes or in overtime to win the game. When they used the no-huddle and Ben called his own plays, the Steelers were 6-0. When Bruce Arians called the plays, the Steelers were 0-4.

The Steelers offense has declined consistently since Bruce Arians took over as the offensive coordinator. This is especially true of the running game.

Also, what success the running game did have came on runs outside the tackles and wide. Between the tackles the running game all but disappeared. There was little or no success in gaining the tough yards to sustain drives. Little or no reliability in short-yardage situations.

This season, finally, it really looked like the running game was returning to form. The offensive line has been performing better than at any time in the previous two seasons. The running backs were beginning to find the holes and get needed yards to compliment the passing game.

And yet, in the clutch, without fail, Bruce Arians woefully misuses the offense in general and the running game in particular. Time after time against Kansas City, when only a few first downs were needed in short to medium-yardage situations, Arians once again was guilty of the most ill-conceived, illogical play-calling possible. Every time.

And the players paid the price for it. Despite the Steelers' mistakes, Kansas City gave the Steelers every opportunity to overcome those mistakes and to win the game.

But Bruce Arians would have none of it.

Losing to Cincinnati is understandable. Losing to Kansas City and Chicago is unconscionable.

Again, the evidence is clear. This is not a talent problem. This is not an execution problem. This is a coaching problem. Period.

And thus is necessary a message to Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert:

NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!! NO MORE EXPLANATIONS!!!!! NO MORE BS!!!!! YOUR OFFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAMS COACHES ARE FAILING THE TEAM!!!!! DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

You know what must be done.

It's time for you to take responsibility for the coaching failures, and to stop blaming the players.

LarryNJ
11-23-2009, 10:52 AM
......

Again, the evidence is clear. This is not a talent problem. This is not an execution problem. This is a coaching problem. Period.

And thus is necessary a message to Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert:

NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!! NO MORE EXPLANATIONS!!!!! NO MORE BS!!!!! YOUR OFFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAMS COACHES ARE FAILING THE TEAM!!!!! DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

You know what must be done.


The entire article is 100% correct. Tomlin is a good coach but he needs to strap a set on and make major changes.

BR7
11-23-2009, 12:25 PM
The evidence is clear. This is not a talent problem. This is not an execution problem. This is a coaching problem. Period. Ligashesky-coached special teams are consistently bad. Only an idiot could arrive at any other conclusion.


Enough said

V_83
11-23-2009, 01:19 PM
Excellent article. Really that's about all that needs to be said.

BR7
11-23-2009, 01:25 PM
Is it really a shocker though? The Special Teams have been bad for many years.. even with Cowher. Save for a year or two, but for the most part, I expect the punt return/kick return to swing momentum to the oppositions favor in every game... Every Steeler fan holds their breath when we punt, if you don't.. you're lying, lol.

Troyisabeast_43
11-23-2009, 01:38 PM
heres a good read for this guy...

The Verdict: No More Excuses!!!
by
Joseph Sirimarco

In the wake of the Steelers absolutely inexcusable loss to the Kansas City Chiefs, a hard look at two problem areas is warranted.

So, no more sugar coating, no more pulling punches. Just the straight, blunt facts and the equally straight, blunt conclusions.

Special teams:

2006: Bob Ligashesky coaches the St. Louis Rams special teams. The Rams' special teams rank dead last in the NFL.

2007: Ligashesky is hired as the Steelers special teams coach. After an exceedingly inordinate amount of time and effort spent on special teams in the offseason and in training camp, the Steelers special teams rank next-to-last in the NFL.

2008: All of the work on special teams seemingly comes to fruition. The Steelers rank second in kickoff coverage and first in punt coverage, although both kickoff and punt return performance is still less than average.

2009: Through ten games, the Steelers special teams rank twenty-ninth (fourth worst) in kick coverage, and average on kick returns.

So, in three of the last four seasons, Bob Ligashesky-coached special teams have ranked among the very worst in the NFL.

Was 2008 indicative of what the Steelers special teams normally are, or was it an aberration?

Yes, talent and execution are important, and the players must bear some responsibility for failure. However, no amount of practice or personnel adjustment can correct a bad system or bad game-scheming.

The evidence is clear. This is not a talent problem. This is not an execution problem. This is a coaching problem. Period. Ligashesky-coached special teams are consistently bad. Only an idiot could arrive at any other conclusion.


Offense:

2001: Bruce Arians is the offensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns. The Browns offense ranks 25th in the NFL.

2002: The Cleveland offense ranks 23rd in the NFL.

2003: The Cleveland offense ranks 26th in the NFL.

This despite promising first-string quarterback Tim Couch running the offense in each of these years.

2004: Ken Whisenhunt is the the Steelers coordinator. The offense ranks 11th in the NFL. Bruce Arians is hired as the wide-receivers coach.

2005: The Steelers offense ranks 9th in the NFL, and the Steelers win the Super Bowl, in spite of Bill Cowher's restrictions on his offensive coordinator.

2006: Ben Roethlisberger has one of his best seasons in regards to passing yardage, and the Steelers offense ranks 13th in the NFL, despite a high number of sacks, interceptions and other turnovers.

2007: Bruce Arians takes over as offensive coordinator. The Steelers rank 10th in offense.

2008: The Steelers offense ranks 20th in the NFL, a large decrease in performance from the previous year. The Steelers win the Super Bowl in spite of Bruce Arians, not because of him.

2009: Through nine games, the Steelers offense ranks 15th.

Ten times last season and so far this season (including last season's playoffs), the Steelers had to drive in the last three minutes or in overtime to win the game. When they used the no-huddle and Ben called his own plays, the Steelers were 6-0. When Bruce Arians called the plays, the Steelers were 0-4.

The Steelers offense has declined consistently since Bruce Arians took over as the offensive coordinator. This is especially true of the running game.

Also, what success the running game did have came on runs outside the tackles and wide. Between the tackles the running game all but disappeared. There was little or no success in gaining the tough yards to sustain drives. Little or no reliability in short-yardage situations.

This season, finally, it really looked like the running game was returning to form. The offensive line has been performing better than at any time in the previous two seasons. The running backs were beginning to find the holes and get needed yards to compliment the passing game.

And yet, in the clutch, without fail, Bruce Arians woefully misuses the offense in general and the running game in particular. Time after time against Kansas City, when only a few first downs were needed in short to medium-yardage situations, Arians once again was guilty of the most ill-conceived, illogical play-calling possible. Every time.

And the players paid the price for it. Despite the Steelers' mistakes, Kansas City gave the Steelers every opportunity to overcome those mistakes and to win the game.

But Bruce Arians would have none of it.

Losing to Cincinnati is understandable. Losing to Kansas City and Chicago is unconscionable.

Again, the evidence is clear. This is not a talent problem. This is not an execution problem. This is a coaching problem. Period.

And thus is necessary a message to Mike Tomlin and Kevin Colbert:

NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!! NO MORE EXPLANATIONS!!!!! NO MORE BS!!!!! YOUR OFFENSE AND SPECIAL TEAMS COACHES ARE FAILING THE TEAM!!!!! DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

You know what must be done.

It's time for you to take responsibility for the coaching failures, and to stop blaming the players.

Im with you that after yesterday Legushitsky and Arians should have both been let go...The play call to Mewelde Moore instead of just using Mendenhall who previously just had runs of 7,8,and 7 yards against the Chiefs D while pounding the ball was just complete and pure insanity by Arians. You take an incomplete pass even at that point because I believed the Steelers even if they wouldnt have gained another yard on that drive had to try to win the game with Reed there kicking a 52-53 yard FG. You knew as soon as they had to punt that ball after that wretched call to Moore the Steelers were going to lose you could feel it coming...