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Stlrs4Life
10-20-2009, 09:14 PM
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Rolling Stone slams Browns’ Mangini

By TOM WITHERS, AP Sports Writer 5 hours, 20 minutes ago

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CLEVELAND (AP)—Even Rolling Stone is throwing rocks at Browns coach Eric Mangini.

In its latest issue, the iconic music magazine stepped outside its usual arena with a harsh critique of Mangini, comparing him to Augustus Gloop, the fictional overeater in Roald Dahl’s “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory” and calling his short coaching tenure in Cleveland “a sort of Hurricane Andrew of football mismanagement.”

Mangini, fired by the New York Jets in December, has become a target of abuse—much of it from outside Cleveland—for some of his decisions this season, most notably his handling of the Browns quarterbacks and excessive fines levied on players who break his rules.

The Browns are 1-5 with their only win a 6-3 decision over the Buffalo Bills on Oct. 11.

Long before Rolling Stone piled on, Mangini was being slammed for some of his coaching methods. He has fined players for not adhering to his policies— like parking in the wrong spot—and he slapped one unidentified player a $1,701 fine for failing to pay for a $3 bottle of water during a hotel stay.

Some players complained privately about the length of training camp practices and more hitting than some of them had experienced since high school. Mangini also has subjected players to pop quizzes during meetings, his way of making sure they are learning their playbook and about each other. He forced his rookies to take a 10-hour bus trip this summer to his football camp, and made his team practice outdoors in the rain.

Mangini won’t tolerate anyone not part of his program.

He traded playmaker Braylon Edwards(notes) to the Jets one day after the wide receiver allegedly punched a friend of NBA superstar LeBron James outside a Cleveland nightclub. Mangini has transformed Cleveland’s roster, bringing in 26 new players from last season, including 10 who played for him in New York last season.

One of them, linebacker David Bowens(notes), said Mangini is unfairly portrayed as tyrant.

“His office is always open,” Bowens said last week. “It’s not like it’s a total dictatorship around here.”

Rolling Stone writer Matt Taibbi went as far as saying the Browns have quit on Mangini in lopsided defeats, a charge many of Cleveland’s players dismissed after road losses to Denver and Baltimore.

Taibbi wrote: “In the NFL, if you don’t show your players that you have a plan that works, the T-minus to an on-field player revolt is usually about a month. In Cleveland, we’re there.”

Ironman
10-20-2009, 10:30 PM
He has fined players for not adhering to his policies— like parking in the wrong spot—and he slapped one unidentified player a $1,701 fine for failing to pay for a $3 bottle of water during a hotel stay.

Some players complained privately about the length of training camp practices and more hitting than some of them had experienced since high school. Mangini also has subjected players to pop quizzes during meetings, his way of making sure they are learning their playbook and about each other. He forced his rookies to take a 10-hour bus trip this summer to his football camp, and made his team practice outdoors in the rain.

Mangini won’t tolerate anyone not part of his program.

He traded playmaker Braylon Edwards(notes) to the Jets one day after the wide receiver allegedly punched a friend of NBA superstar LeBron James outside a Cleveland nightclub. Mangini has transformed Cleveland’s roster, bringing in 26 new players from last season, including 10 who played for him in New York last season.


I don't think it's as bad as they are making it out to be, Rolling Stone writers (and most for that fact) love to exaggerate, that's how you grab peoples' attention. Mangini has not implemented his plan like expected (he's never been the right fit in Cleveland). The players are not responding to his methods, and I don't blame them. Mangini is an *** of a coach. He demands respect, he doesn't earn it. Practicing in the rain... Ohh boo whooo, welcome to the NFL... Pop quizzes are perfectly acceptable, especially if you're trying to gauge which players are responding to your system, and which players aren't. It may seem a little old school, but I see no fault in that, especially in a new system.

Fining players is what damn near every new head coach does (Haley, Schwartz, Mangini, Morris), and they are complete idiots about it. That does not fly in the NFL, especially if your fining someone over 300 times more than what the $3 bottle of water was worth. Fining players like Brandon Marshall for his actions is perfectly fine, but being excessive will not help whatsoever. Teaching a lesson is one thing, but exploiting and manipulating is another.

As far as the trade, and the roster spots. Yes Mangini has a say in this, but these aspects are ultimately approved through the organization as a total, not the so called 'tyrant' Mangini. He has input, no doubt, but the powers that run the Browns made these moves.

75Steeler
10-21-2009, 12:42 AM
Even though the Steelers and the Browns are supposed to be rivals I feel bad for their die hard fans. Their real team moved out and went to Baltimore. Then they get another team and they haven't been able to get it together and be consistently competitive yet. They have had 5 head coaches in 11 years. They get some decent talent at times and don't capitalize on that talent. The end result is disappointed fans and a bunch of losses.

In that respect I'am happy to have been born into the Steeler Nation and to remain a Steeler fan my entire life.

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TampaSteelGirl
10-21-2009, 01:36 PM
I do feel bad for the die hard fans too...I think they look like a much better team this year than last though..perhaps if they get a decent QB they might look a little better..I think this is definatley exaggerated and I don't think the players are quitting on Mangini...didn't look like it last sunday against us. They were fighting pretty hard!!!