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Troyisabeast_43
09-28-2009, 07:20 PM
Now I know some people on this board and all over Steelers Nation are in complete panic mode, and while there should be a lot of concern about what has happened the last 2 weeks, people still need to look at the whole body of work the rest of the season and realize it's only September and 3 games in. Now Im with everybody on this board that this Steelers team especially the defense needs to start learning how to close games out something they were doing last season and arent doing now. Whether missing Troy is that signifgant to getting that done who knows?? But either way they need to stop trying to win games with last second heroics like last season and put teams away early in the games like they have failed to do two weeks in a row at Chicago and at Cincy.

The silver lining in this whole 1-2 start is that I still believe that the Steelers schedule for the remainder of the season will help them turn this thing around and allow them to get back to their winning ways. They still have games remaining with the Lions,Chiefs,Raiders,Miami who just lost Pennington for the whole season and who is 0-3,the Denver Broncos who are 3-0 but havent played anybody yet and overrated I think, and two games with the Cleveland Browns who are probably the worst team in the NFL. Plus, they have another game left with the Bengals here at Heinz Field which if the Steelers play on offense the way they did yesterday and finally solve this problem of closing out games should be able to take care of them the second time around. There is no way I see the Bengals sweeping the Steelers. They have I believe 5 tough tough games remaining and they are with the Vikings,Packers,two with the Ravens and this Sunday against the Chargers. The good news is 4 of those 5 games will be played at Heinz Field. I think a win this week against a pretty good Chargers team will go a long and I mean a long way to getting this ship turned in the right direction. You got the Lions and Browns up the next 2 weeks after the Chargers game and I dont care what anybody says about any given week in the NFL the Steelers MUST win both of those games with Detroit and Cleveland no ifs,ands,or buts about it. I believe they will be able to do so.

The key will be finding a way to beat a very potent San Diego Chargers team here at home Sunday night. It wont be easy especially without Troy again. But Im going to take the Steelers to win this game in another close one. I dont see them dropping 3 in a row, and I think playing on primetime and being back at home and having the crowd back on their side will help them in this game especially on defense. Getting back to 2-2 with the Lions and Browns up next should allow the Steelers to get to 4-2 going into the Vikings game here at the end of the month. Baltimore and Cincy both still have a lot of tough games left as well and play each other in a few weeks so both of them will have their losses as well here soon. The Ravens have 3 tough games in a row coming up at New England,hosting Cincy,and at Minnesota. None of those will be cakewalks for the Ravens. The schedule definitely favors the Steelers looking at that the next 3 weeks. Four of the Steelers next six games are at home and they only have to go on the road one time between now and November 9th when they go to Denver and that is to Detroit in 2 weeks which is barely going to be a road game.

I had written on here before the season started that these first four games with the Titans,Bears,Bengals,and Chargers were not gimmies and probably the toughest stretch of the season for the Steelers which has proven so far to be right on the money. Anybody who thought the Bears and Bengals games were going to be just show up and win games were kidding themselves. So people just need to calm down take a deep breath and look at the rest of the schedule for the Steelers and who they play,along with Troy returning in a few weeks and realize that it's not all doom and gloom and that there is a lot of reason to still be optimistic that this can and will get turned around.

Ironman
09-28-2009, 10:11 PM
Last year the Steelers had the toughest schedule in the NFL, and they ended up hoisting the Lombardi. This year, they have one of the weakest schedules in football, and their 1-2. Granted it is very early, but our division rival, and toughest competition, the Ravens, have shown that although their defensive is of championship caliber, they have an offense which is more than capable of putting up points. So far, we don't have an offense capable of capitalizing, let alone finishing off teams. We have a defense that plays for one half, and doesn't show up for the other.

I'm sick and tired of hearing how Troy's absence is the reason why we are losing. Polamalu is a quintessential piece to this defense, but right now, he's just a spectator. I'm sick of the assumptions that "if we had Troy", or if "Troy was playing". He's not, and there is absolutely nothing we, or Troy can do about it.

These early games have set a lazy tempo, and a weak demeanor. I've watched in astonishment as the Bengals drove down the field and kicked our asses. I looked in horror as the Bears kicked a 43 yard field goal to FINISH us off. Two games, and two teams that we should not have lost to, but did. We shouldn't lose to the Lions, the Broncos, the Browns, the Cheifs, the bla bla bla bla. I maybe the only one, but I am fed up with that saying. So far, all we've done is show that we should lose to these teams. It looks like the Steelers have taken this same motto, "we shouldn't lose to _____", and have lived by it. They need to be thinking, "we can't, and won't lose because we are the best motha f*ckin' team in the G*d D*MN NFL"!

There is time, and there are plenty of games, but it starts next week. A loss to the Chargers would drive a stake through our chances of repeating. A win to the Chargers would be an outstanding launching pad, we'll just see what happens.

I like the positivity you have, obviously, I am not so optimistic.. :banging:

igor0190
09-28-2009, 10:15 PM
You have to get to the playoffs and be playing good football at the end of the season. Playing good now is overrated.

Ironman
09-28-2009, 10:31 PM
You have to get to the playoffs and be playing good football at the end of the season. Playing good now is overrated.

I very respectfully disagree. It may not be as important as how you finish, but hey, in '06 the Steelers we're 2-6 in the first half. The second half they won 6 of their last 8, but didn't make the playoffs, and barely made .500 football. The season is 16 games for a very good reason, and taking any aspect of it (beginning, middle, or end) lightly, and your team won't be playing after week 17.

Troyisabeast_43
09-28-2009, 10:52 PM
Last year the Steelers had the toughest schedule in the NFL, and they ended up hoisting the Lombardi. This year, they have one of the weakest schedules in football, and their 1-2. Granted it is very early, but our division rival, and toughest competition, the Ravens, have shown that although their defensive is of championship caliber, they have an offense which is more than capable of putting up points. So far, we don't have an offense capable of capitalizing, let alone finishing off teams. We have a defense that plays for one half, and doesn't show up for the other.

I'm sick and tired of hearing how Troy's absence is the reason why we are losing. Polamalu is a quintessential piece to this defense, but right now, he's just a spectator. I'm sick of the assumptions that "if we had Troy", or if "Troy was playing". He's not, and there is absolutely nothing we, or Troy can do about it.

These early games have set a lazy tempo, and a weak demeanor. I've watched in astonishment as the Bengals drove down the field and kicked our asses. I looked in horror as the Bears kicked a 43 yard field goal to FINISH us off. Two games, and two teams that we should not have lost to, but did. We shouldn't lose to the Lions, the Broncos, the Browns, the Cheifs, the bla bla bla bla. I maybe the only one, but I am fed up with that saying. So far, all we've done is show that we should lose to these teams. It looks like the Steelers have taken this same motto, "we shouldn't lose to _____", and have lived by it. They need to be thinking, "we can't, and won't lose because we are the best motha f*ckin' team in the G*d D*MN NFL"!

There is time, and there are plenty of games, but it starts next week. A loss to the Chargers would drive a stake through our chances of repeating. A win to the Chargers would be an outstanding launching pad, we'll just see what happens.

I like the positivity you have, obviously, I am not so optimistic.. :banging:

I hear what youre saying as well. But look the Steelers were not going to go 19-0 fellas as much as we wish it would happen so that everybody on these boards and in Steelers Nation would be happy every single week it just wasnt going to happen. Like I said I pointed out before this season began how tough these first four games would be especially with the Bears and Bengals back to back weeks on the road. I knew there was a possibility the Steelers could lose one or both games even whether Polamalu played or not. Now did I expect the Steelers defense to have complete meltdowns in both the Bears and Bengals games in the 4th quarter?? Absolutely not. Right now the Steelers are not finishing off games and putting teams away when they have too and are relying too much on last minute heroics again from either Ben or the defense like last year to win games. It worked out every game pretty much last year, this year so far it isnt working out.

Im with you when you say a loss at home to the Chargers this week in the same fashion and a 1-3 start would really put the Steelers in a huge huge hole no matter how easy the schedule is the rest of the way. They need to win this game and beat a solid team like San Diego so they can get their confidence back and then roll into the Detroit and Cleveland game and take care of those teams like they are suppose too. A win this week gets you back to 2-2 with 2 games coming up next with the Lions and the Browns that the Steelers should win and will have absolutely excuse in the world for losing to either one of those teams period...

BlackGold4vr
09-28-2009, 11:17 PM
- We play the Chargers at home this week. Not saying that is an easy win but well within reason that we win at home.

- Ravens have the Patriots in Foxboro. Easily a game they could lose. Remember the Chiefs scored 24 on the Ravens and the Chargers scored 26. Not exactly an inpenetrable fortress there. Oooh, held the Stains to 3.......whoopdi do!

We win, they lose and we are only a game behind regardless of what the Bungels do because they already lost a game.

Have a little faith and stop the complete panic! We do have a good football team. It has some flaws but it is still a top 5 team in this league.


:6smile:

:wedaworldchamps:

:bigtowel:

Troyisabeast_43
09-28-2009, 11:39 PM
- We play the Chargers at home this week. Not saying that is an easy win but well within reason that we win at home.

- Ravens have the Patriots in Foxboro. Easily a game they could lose. Remember the Chiefs scored 24 on the Ravens and the Chargers scored 26. Not exactly an inpenetrable fortress there. Oooh, held the Stains to 3.......whoopdi do!

We win, they lose and we are only a game behind regardless of what the Bungels do because they already lost a game.

Have a little faith and stop the complete panic! We do have a good football team. It has some flaws but it is still a top 5 team in this league.


:6smile:

:wedaworldchamps:

:bigtowel:

It's what I have been saying on here the Ravens schedule the next 3 weeks is much and I mean much tougher then the Steelers and if the Steelers are going to close the gap on the Ravens this is going to be the time to do so. The Ravens have games at New England,they host Cincy which wont be easy, and have to go to Minnesota the following week. While the Steelers host San Diego who is good but not world beaters and a team I am confident they can beat, and they go to Detroit and then host the Browns.

So its very very possible that the Ravens drop 2 out of 3 in that stretch and the Steelers win all 3 and both of them are 4-2 tied at top of the division at the end of October going into the game with the Vikings October 25th at Heinz Field. Im also not worried about the Bengals because either them or the Ravens will lose in 2 weeks when they both play each other so either way the Steelers will get help. Also, despite the win from the Bengals yesterday Im still not sold on them and I feel they will come back to reality here soon and lose a game they should win. Plus, they still have to play the Steelers again in Pittsburgh here in mid November and the Steelers will not get swept and lose to the Bengals twice.

BlackGold4vr
09-28-2009, 11:46 PM
Perhaps some of these fair weather fans are secretly fearful of the Turds. Maybe some think they are a 15 or 16 game winner.......


:hilarious:


24 points to the Chiefs? :sHa_sarcasticlol:

Stlrs4Life
09-28-2009, 11:46 PM
Last year the Steelers had the toughest schedule in the NFL, and they ended up hoisting the Lombardi. This year, they have one of the weakest schedules in football, and their 1-2. Granted it is very early, but our division rival, and toughest competition, the Ravens, have shown that although their defensive is of championship caliber, they have an offense which is more than capable of putting up points. So far, we don't have an offense capable of capitalizing, let alone finishing off teams. We have a defense that plays for one half, and doesn't show up for the other.

I'm sick and tired of hearing how Troy's absence is the reason why we are losing. Polamalu is a quintessential piece to this defense, but right now, he's just a spectator. I'm sick of the assumptions that "if we had Troy", or if "Troy was playing". He's not, and there is absolutely nothing we, or Troy can do about it.

These early games have set a lazy tempo, and a weak demeanor. I've watched in astonishment as the Bengals drove down the field and kicked our asses. I looked in horror as the Bears kicked a 43 yard field goal to FINISH us off. Two games, and two teams that we should not have lost to, but did. We shouldn't lose to the Lions, the Broncos, the Browns, the Cheifs, the bla bla bla bla. I maybe the only one, but I am fed up with that saying. So far, all we've done is show that we should lose to these teams. It looks like the Steelers have taken this same motto, "we shouldn't lose to _____", and have lived by it. They need to be thinking, "we can't, and won't lose because we are the best motha f*ckin' team in the G*d D*MN NFL"!

There is time, and there are plenty of games, but it starts next week. A loss to the Chargers would drive a stake through our chances of repeating. A win to the Chargers would be an outstanding launching pad, we'll just see what happens.

I like the positivity you have, obviously, I am not so optimistic.. :banging:


Exactly my point of view also. I too am sick and tired of hearing it's because Troy is not in there. He is no doubt a huge part of the D, but we still are only getting like 1 sack a game. We are not finishing drives. Woodley, and Harrison have been pretty quiet also. (for thier standards) And this team is 1 or 2 plays from being 0-3, or a few plays of being 3-0.

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 10:24 AM
Funny how I post a thread asking if people are in panic mode and you jump all over it. Then you go and admit that many in the fanbase are in panic mode. Also every game is winnable and loseable. Probably not a real good idea to look too far ahead.

lloydfan4life
09-29-2009, 10:32 AM
Funny how I post a thread asking if people are in panic mode and you jump all over it. Then you go and admit that many in the fanbase are in panic mode. Also every game is winnable and loseable. Probably not a real good idea to look too far ahead.

That's only because you're a douchebag ratbird fan who's only purpose of joining this forum is to gloat over a 3-0 start. :lol:

Go away now, Troll!

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 10:33 AM
That's only because you're a douchebag ratbird fan who's only purpose of joining this forum is to gloat over a 3-0 start. :lol:

Go away now, Troll!

Not really. Almost all of my posts are about the Steelers. Sorry try again.

lloydfan4life
09-29-2009, 10:36 AM
You're related to Tim Lumber, aren't you?

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 10:40 AM
You're related to Tim Lumber, aren't you?

Not sure where all the hostility is coming from with you guys. I have respect for the Steelers organization and have no intentions of kicking you guys while you're down. I can understand that you've probably had your share of beligerent Ravens fans here, but I come in peace. What's wrong with a Ravens fan wanting to discuss football with their rival fanbase? This isn't war. We can be "friends" even if we root for different teams.

steelersgal86
09-29-2009, 10:47 AM
You're related to Tim Lumber, aren't you?

no just someone with no life...that has all the time in the world to look up steelers articles and post on a steelers website...actually entertaining...if you ask me...

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 10:51 AM
no just someone with no life...that has all the time in the world to look up steelers articles and post on a steelers website...actually entertaining...if you ask me...

There is something humorous about a person with nearly 8800 posts since 2007 telling someone else they need to get a life. A bit of self realization on your part would be nice.

steelersgal86
09-29-2009, 11:06 AM
There is something humorous about a person with nearly 8800 posts since 2007 telling someone else they need to get a life. A bit of self realization on your part would be nice.


oh...and this coming from someone that has got 107+ posts in less that 24 hours...yeah I have been at this site for almost 3 years!!! just like the rest...you soon will be forgotten....post away!!!

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 11:15 AM
oh...and this coming from someone that has got 107+ posts in less that 24 hours...yeah I have been at this site for almost 3 years!!! just like the rest...you soon will be forgotten....post away!!!

You seem to have trouble making points. You tell me I have no life and reference my posting on this board. I point out the hypocrisy of your post by referencing your 8800 posts since 2007. I ask you to delve into a bit of self realization and you once again reference my posting on this board. It's just not sound logic on your part.

Callax
09-29-2009, 11:28 AM
Pitt lost 2 games in the closing minutes and only gave up an avg of 16 pts a game!
the Defense didn't play great in the last 3+ minutes of the game.
We found 2 ways to lose
IT HAPPENS
last year things went our way this year teams will be bringing their "A" game
why??
WE ARE THE DEFENDING CHAMPIONS OF THE NFL!!!
The team keeps it head on straight, Defense finds ways to get to the QB, force Turnovers, we score points (kicking and CATCHING TD'S)
WE WIN GAMES!!
getting Troy back will help (SOON)
LeBeau will find ways to get to the QB as he always have....
Ben is looking good, Hines Holmes and now Wallace + Miller give him weapons plus our return game is better
and Sepulveda is healthy, productive
WE WILL BE FINE!!!
as my grandaughter said:
It's ok
we need to calm down
we'll go to toys r us, we'll get a toy
things will be ok
gotta love the child's logic!

BlacknGold Bleeder
09-29-2009, 11:55 AM
Funny how I post a thread asking if people are in panic mode and you jump all over it. Then you go and admit that many in the fanbase are in panic mode. Also every game is winnable and loseable. Probably not a real good idea to look too far ahead.

Since you are new to the board,here's a little insider info, Troyisabeast43 is always very analytical about the schedule. He has almost always been right on the button with his assessments also.
You can help your credibility by 1) being on here for more than week. 2) trying to resist taking verbal shots at posters on here.
I know you have been subjected to some abuse but the main reason for this is posters like "tim Lumber" who came on here to do nothing but cause trouble.
So far the book hasn't been written on ya but you do make good points,and you have taken some unnecessary shots at others. After all this is "our" house and we will defend it and each other.

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 12:01 PM
Since you are new to the board,here's a little insider info, Troyisabeast43 is always very analytical about the schedule. He has almost always been right on the button with his assessments also.
You can help your credibility by 1) being on here for more than week. 2) trying to resist taking verbal shots at posters on here.
I know you have been subjected to some abuse but the main reason for this is posters like "tim Lumber" who came on here to do nothing but cause trouble.
So far the book hasn't been written on ya but you do make good points,and you have taken some unnecessary shots at others. After all this is "our" house and we will defend it and each other.

I keep this in mind. I'm just not used to such cold welcomes. We're pretty open to fans of other teams at SunSpot. Oh well.

BlacknGold Bleeder
09-29-2009, 12:09 PM
The cold welcome can be attributed to the colors your flying!!lol There is a bit of a history between our 2 teams...

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 12:12 PM
The cold welcome can be attributed to the colors your flying!!lol There is a bit of a history between our 2 teams...

I wouldn't have it any other way I guess. It would suck to be the fan of a team that had no real rival. IMHO the Steelers - Ravens rivalry ranks right up there with Skins - Cowboys and Bears - Packers.

SouthCentral
09-29-2009, 12:16 PM
I wouldn't have it any other way I guess. It would suck to be the fan of a team that had no real rival. IMHO the Steelers - Ravens rivalry ranks right up there with Skins - Cowboys and Bears - Packers.

yea and honestly (even thought i may be a bit biased) i think the steelers/ravens rivalry is the best. think about it, the ravens havent been around for that long so you gotta give them credit, and already they (the steelers and ravens) have created some of the best games to watch. And most memorable. These two teams are so similar (strong D and high potential offense) that these games sell-out and people talk about them forever.

BlacknGold Bleeder
09-29-2009, 12:19 PM
yea and honestly (even thought i may be a bit biased) i think the steelers/ravens rivalry is the best. think about it, the ravens havent been around for that long so you gotta give them credit, and already they (the steelers and ravens) have created some of the best games to watch. And most memorable. These two teams are so similar (strong D and high potential offense) that these games sell-out and people talk about them forever.

It just the STEELERS vs brownies V2.0, one reason it got so good so quick !!:lol:

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 12:21 PM
yea and honestly (even thought i may be a bit biased) i think the steelers/ravens rivalry is the best. think about it, the ravens havent been around for that long so you gotta give them credit, and already they (the steelers and ravens) have created some of the best games to watch. And most memorable. These two teams are so similar (strong D and high potential offense) that these games sell-out and people talk about them forever.

We can definitely agree on this!

SouthCentral
09-29-2009, 12:22 PM
the poor browns...:nahnah: have they figured out who theyre qb is yet???:thinking:

but yea, i just gotta say that my highlight of the (regular) season is the steelers/ ravens matchups. im always about 10 seconds away from having a heart attack

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 12:23 PM
It just the STEELERS vs brownies V2.0, one reason it got so good so quick !!:lol:

I hate to admit it...but that's 100% true.

Ironman
09-29-2009, 12:24 PM
I wouldn't have it any other way I guess. It would suck to be the fan of a team that had no real rival. IMHO the Steelers - Ravens rivalry ranks right up there with Skins - Cowboys and Bears - Packers.

The Ravens have been in existence for a little over a decade... and you're comparing it to the longest rivalry in the history of the NFL......... I am speechless

Steelers vs. Ravens is a physical, and often brutal matchup, but it in absolutely no way compares to the storied rivalry of the Bears vs. Packers.

SouthCentral
09-29-2009, 12:28 PM
yea, historically speaking its not close, but in his defense.... cant believe im gonna say this... he never really said that it was as good/ better/ etc.

but modern day... i still think the steelers/ ravens is better. two incredibly strong teams. im not all that impressed with the packers/bears games recently
.... could be attributed to my annoyance with cutler. but thats really got nothing to do with the rivalry.

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 12:31 PM
The Ravens have been in existence for a little over a decade... and you're comparing it to the longest rivalry in the history of the NFL......... I am speechless

Steelers vs. Ravens is a physical, and often brutal matchup, but it in absolutely no way compares to the storied rivalry of the Bears vs. Packers.

Maybe you're right...but I don't consider length of rivalry to be the be all end all. I also put some stock into the old Browns/Steelers rivalry. We may have given the records and colors back, but that team in Cleveland is an expansion team.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-29-2009, 12:47 PM
As far as rivalries go, the Pittsburgh/Baltimore rivalry clearly doesn't have the longevity to be mentioned in the same breath as Packers/Bears or Skins/Cowboys. However having said that the intensity of the games played between the 2 teams combined with so many of them being played with the playoffs at stake has elevated this rivalry to one of the best in the NFL, no question IMO.

Ironman
09-29-2009, 04:50 PM
yea, historically speaking its not close, but in his defense.... cant believe im gonna say this... he never really said that it was as good/ better/ etc.

but modern day... i still think the steelers/ ravens is better. two incredibly strong teams. im not all that impressed with the packers/bears games recently
.... could be attributed to my annoyance with cutler. but thats really got nothing to do with the rivalry.

He said it "ranks right up there"... It doesn't.

But that AFC championship game was intense, could be a building block towards a long and brutal future.

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-29-2009, 04:51 PM
He said it "ranks right up there"... It doesn't.

You're really in a tizzy over this aren't you? It's kinda funny to watch.

Ironman
09-29-2009, 08:03 PM
You're really in a tizzy over this aren't you? It's kinda funny to watch.

Tizzy? Kid you must really love to just **** people off.

All I said in my defense, is that you claimed it "ranked up there" with some of the most intense rivalries, and some of the greatest, most prolific franchises in the entire history of the NFL. Not sure if you know this, but the NFL has been around for awhile, and while you claim that the Ravens/Steelers rivalry deserves it's recognition amongst the greatest of rivalries, your Ravens have only been in existence since '96. The Steelers lead this division rivalry: 18-10. In the first 16 games against each other, the Ravens won 5 of those games. The Ravens were swept last year by the Steelers, including playoffs. If anything, the Steelers/Browns (59-55) have a more storied, and even rivalry than the Ravens/Steelers.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2826/brownssteelers.jpg

Now I gave the Ravens credit for the intensity, and brute physicality between the latest faceoffs, but go find an NFL history book, and look up what a true, and prestigious franchise is. You'll find a few teams qualify: the Bears, the Packers, the Giants, the Steelers, the Cowboys (despite my pure hatred for them), and the 49er's.

Now you may be confused on what makes a great franchise, and no it's not just how long they've been around. It includes titles, players, hall of famers, coaches, ownership, and above all, an impact upon how this game is played.

So go Tizzy on that.

kgreen
09-29-2009, 10:49 PM
As far as rivalries go, the Pittsburgh/Baltimore rivalry clearly doesn't have the longevity to be mentioned in the same breath as Packers/Bears or Skins/Cowboys. However having said that the intensity of the games played between the 2 teams combined with so many of them being played with the playoffs at stake has elevated this rivalry to one of the best in the NFL, no question IMO.

You guys are all forgetting that this Ravens team is technically the Browns. Remember when Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore in the 90's? Yeah so technically this rivalry has longitivity. I don't really consider these new Browns as a rival. Because a rivlary is supposed to be competative right? Well I can't remember the last time the Browns beat us. But no this rivalry with the Ravens does not have the historical significance of the Cowboys-Skin. But in today's NFL it is one of the best rivalries.

Ironman
09-30-2009, 03:00 AM
You guys are all forgetting that this Ravens team is technically the Browns. Remember when Art Modell moved the team to Baltimore in the 90's? Yeah so technically this rivalry has longitivity. I don't really consider these new Browns as a rival. Because a rivlary is supposed to be competative right? Well I can't remember the last time the Browns beat us. But no this rivalry with the Ravens does not have the historical significance of the Cowboys-Skin. But in today's NFL it is one of the best rivalries.

I did not forget that whatsoever. This is a peculiar situation, but the controversy ended when representatives of Cleveland and the NFL reached a settlement on February 8, 1996. The agreement stipulated that the Browns' name, colors, uniform design and franchise records would remain in Cleveland. The franchise history included Browns club records, and connections with Pro Football Hall of Fame players. Art Modell's Baltimore team, while retaining all current player contracts, would officially be the expansion team, a "new franchise".

I settle my case. The Ravens are not the Browns. Just because the Browns suck now, it does not erase the history we have had with them.

Blazedby92
09-30-2009, 09:15 AM
Tizzy? Kid you must really love to just **** people off.

All I said in my defense, is that you claimed it "ranked up there" with some of the most intense rivalries, and some of the greatest, most prolific franchises in the entire history of the NFL. Not sure if you know this, but the NFL has been around for awhile, and while you claim that the Ravens/Steelers rivalry deserves it's recognition amongst the greatest of rivalries, your Ravens have only been in existence since '96. The Steelers lead this division rivalry: 18-10. In the first 16 games against each other, the Ravens won 5 of those games. The Ravens were swept last year by the Steelers, including playoffs. If anything, the Steelers/Browns (59-55) have a more storied, and even rivalry than the Ravens/Steelers.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2826/brownssteelers.jpg

Now I gave the Ravens credit for the intensity, and brute physicality between the latest faceoffs, but go find an NFL history book, and look up what a true, and prestigious franchise is. You'll find a few teams qualify: the Bears, the Packers, the Giants, the Steelers, the Cowboys (despite my pure hatred for them), and the 49er's.

Now you may be confused on what makes a great franchise, and no it's not just how long they've been around. It includes titles, players, hall of famers, coaches, ownership, and above all, an impact upon how this game is played.

So go Tizzy on that.


:tt02:Damn, You tell 'em IRON:cope::clap::nahnah:

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-30-2009, 09:59 AM
I did not forget that whatsoever. This is a peculiar situation, but the controversy ended when representatives of Cleveland and the NFL reached a settlement on February 8, 1996. The agreement stipulated that the Browns' name, colors, uniform design and franchise records would remain in Cleveland. The franchise history included Browns club records, and connections with Pro Football Hall of Fame players. Art Modell's Baltimore team, while retaining all current player contracts, would officially be the expansion team, a "new franchise".

I settle my case. The Ravens are not the Browns. Just because the Browns suck now, it does not erase the history we have had with them.

You gotta love a guy who states opinion as fact. Truly the sign of intelligence. Carry on.

Blazedby92
09-30-2009, 10:51 AM
I think Joey is a closet STEELER fan, nah just a

RATBIRD BANDWAGON :bunny::nono::nahnah:

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-30-2009, 10:52 AM
I think Joey is a closet STEELER fan, nah just a

RATBIRD BANDWAGON :bunny::nono::nahnah:

It would appear that you're not really here to talk football.

Richmond Rukus
09-30-2009, 11:13 AM
You gotta love a guy who states opinion as fact. Truly the sign of intelligence. Carry on.

If you have a rebuttle, state your opinion. See Ironman's post from before the one you quoted. Respond if you have something to add. It seems when you have nothing to add, you like to try to take a shot at someone's intelligence. I've read your posts now for the last couple days. You're not Albert Einstein. That much is painfully obvious. You may want to refrain from commenting on others intelligence until you can display a little of your own. Not sure why you take the low ground and make yourself look like a punk when it's not needed.

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-30-2009, 11:16 AM
If you have a rebuttle, state your opinion. See Ironman's post from before the one you quoted. Respond if you have something to add. It seems when you have nothing to add, you like to try to take a shot at someone's intelligence. I've read your posts now for the last couple days. You're not Albert Einstein. That much is painfully obvious. You may want to refrain from commenting on others intelligence until you can display a little of your own. Not sure why you take the low ground and make yourself look like a punk when it's not needed.

I already stated my opinion. Read it for yourself. I think you'll see that I used words like "I think" instead of declaring my opinion was fact. There is no need to debate a person who states their opinion as fact.

Blazedby92
09-30-2009, 11:43 AM
I just can't seem to shake how this Joe person responds to everything like he is your little brother. Start calling him "Topper" cause by his standards he is smarter,classier and has more football intellect than anyone and the list gets bigger everytime he responds.

He has to be a closet Steeler fan because he is over here so much or maybe he got kick out of his ratbird forum which I can see why they would do that IMO. BANDWAGON

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-30-2009, 11:46 AM
I just can't seem to shake how this Joe person responds to everything like he is your little brother. Start calling him "Topper" cause by his standards he is smarter,classier and has more football intellect than anyone and the list gets bigger everytime he responds.

He has to be a closet Steeler fan because he is over here so much or maybe he got kick out of his ratbird forum which I can see why they would do that IMO. BANDWAGON

I'm surprised the mods haven't reigned you in yet. Your posts are counter-productive to the football debate on this forum.

Ironman
09-30-2009, 12:57 PM
You gotta love a guy who states opinion as fact. Truly the sign of intelligence. Carry on.

Opinion? Do you not know the history of "your" Ravens?

Grow up

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-30-2009, 01:03 PM
Opinion? Do you not know the history of "your" Ravens?

Grow up

Sure do. I believe I've already stated that...pretty sure I also stated that I do not believe that length of rivalry is the sole determining factor. Keep going though. This is entertaining for me.

Ironman
09-30-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm surprised the mods haven't reigned you in yet. Your posts are counter-productive to the football debate on this forum.


This coming from the queen of counter-production.

You haven't talked football since page 1. All you've done, and I've looked at most of your posts, is criticize, and provoke. Then you deny it. Hypocrite, you're not here to debate, like I said earlier, you're here to simply **** people off.

JoeFlaccoSaysHi
09-30-2009, 01:06 PM
This coming from the queen of counter-production.

You haven't talked football since page 1. All you've done, and I've looked at most of your posts, is criticize, and provoke. Then you deny it. Hypocrite, you're not here to debate, like I said earlier, you're here to simply **** people off.

This is rich coming from you. Good stuff.

Troyisabeast_43
10-05-2009, 04:47 PM
It's what I have been saying on here the Ravens schedule the next 3 weeks is much and I mean much tougher then the Steelers and if the Steelers are going to close the gap on the Ravens this is going to be the time to do so. The Ravens have games at New England,they host Cincy which wont be easy, and have to go to Minnesota the following week. While the Steelers host San Diego who is good but not world beaters and a team I am confident they can beat, and they go to Detroit and then host the Browns.

So its very very possible that the Ravens drop 2 out of 3 in that stretch and the Steelers win all 3 and both of them are 4-2 tied at top of the division at the end of October going into the game with the Vikings October 25th at Heinz Field. Im also not worried about the Bengals because either them or the Ravens will lose in 2 weeks when they both play each other so either way the Steelers will get help. Also, despite the win from the Bengals yesterday Im still not sold on them and I feel they will come back to reality here soon and lose a game they should win. Plus, they still have to play the Steelers again in Pittsburgh here in mid November and the Steelers will not get swept and lose to the Bengals twice.

Well it looks like everything I wrote last week ended up coming true this week. The Ravens went down and the Steelers won just like I had it scripted for the next few weeks. Would have been nice to see the Browns shock the Bengals or at least for them to end in a tie which it came so close to doing just that. The Bengals go to the Ravens this week and I am actually rooting for the Ravens in that game which I believe they are probably going to win anyway. Cincy is due to slip and the Ravens are coming off a loss to the Pats where they will be very pissed off and want to put on a good showing at home. So a loss by the Bengals next week will put them at 3-2 and tied with the Steelers once again assuming the Steelers beat the Lions which I am going too.

Im rooting for the Ravens to win next week because they have a game as I mentioned in the post above at the Vikings in 2 weeks which they most definitely have a chance of losing. If that happens with the Bengals losing to the Ravens next week and the Ravens then losing to the Vikings the week after the Steelers,Ravens,and Bengals should all be in a 3 way tie for first place going into the last week of October at 4-2 that's assuming that Cincy beats Houston in Cincy the week after next which is not a guarantee either. But nonetheless the Steelers got a much needed win yesterday and got the help in Baltimore losing to the Pats to get them right back in the thick of things. And with the Lions and the Browns up next on the schedule and with the Ravens or Bengals guaranteed to drop a game or two the next two weeks while the Steelers most likely will win it puts them right back in the thick of things in the AFC North...