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bigben119
05-18-2009, 10:12 PM
I think there will be many changes on the offensive line next year what is your opnion of who you think urbik will replace chris komeatu willie colon or stapleton but i think stapleton will replace hartwig.
i ultimately think the steelers offensive line for 2009 will look like this

center
starks komo stapleton urbik foster-or tony hills both unproven players

who also do you think will be our third string wide receiver

so far its a competion between sweed, wallace, and mcdonald but i think common sense says wallace if he has good work ethic

BFISHIN80
05-18-2009, 11:08 PM
McDonald or Sweed

cmerrifield
05-18-2009, 11:12 PM
Sweed will be the third reciever this year, and I would like to see Stapleton get a chance at center, if Urbik can start this year

Black@Gold Forever32
05-18-2009, 11:49 PM
Foster probably won't make the roster and if he does he might be better off switching to OG...Tony Hills I doubt will unseat Willie Colon at RT.....I also seriously doubt that Stapleton will beat out Hartwig at center....The OL did start to get into more sync with each other the more they played together and that is a big reason why most of the OL was brought back intact......I do think Urbik has a shot to beat out Stapleton at RG but its not written in stone that he will....

bigben119
05-19-2009, 04:08 PM
wat! how can u say foster wont make the cut. we need as much o line bodies as possible n as far as i see it anything is better than we wat we have right now lol. foster could switch to a guard but we still have a major gap at right tackle at willie colon is too slow to perform agaisnt speed rushers and block on a sweep toss

K Train
05-19-2009, 04:23 PM
foster will absolutely not make the team, i think it would be surprising if he made the practice sqaud. you say we need as many bodies as we can get but thats idiotic when they all suck, you dont want a bunch of big bum *** bodies.

hills could beat out colon at RT, i think he makes a serious push for that job which would leave RG open to urbik, stapleton, and colon.

tomlin loves stapleton at center, so if its not his job this year, it probably will be next year

bigben119
05-19-2009, 04:56 PM
foster will absolutely not make the team, i think it would be surprising if he made the practice sqaud. you say we need as many bodies as we can get but thats idiotic when they all suck, you dont want a bunch of big bum *** bodies.

hills could beat out colon at RT, i think he makes a serious push for that job which would leave RG open to urbik, stapleton, and colon.

tomlin loves stapleton at center, so if its not his job this year, it probably will be next year

i dissagree on foster agree especially on the big bum bodies part lmao have u seen ramon foster play? hes lik a poor mans shawn andrews, defintely one of the greatest sleepers in the draft

K Train
05-19-2009, 06:01 PM
yeah and jason cappizzi is a poor mans jon runyan....hes still ****ing sucks. just cause they look the part doesnt mean they can play it. foster wont have a place on this team, he might be a viable backup at guard in a few years but hes not what were looking for.

and kraig urbik is far from a lock to ever play for us, he will be on the team for a few years but i look at him and see him playing a trai essex bum role, or a cameron stephenson bum role....or some of those other sweet hits weve had on the line in recent years

bigben119
05-19-2009, 06:03 PM
yeah and jason cappizzi is a poor mans jon runyan....hes still ****ing sucks. just cause they look the part doesnt mean they can play it. foster wont have a place on this team, he might be a viable backup at guard in a few years but hes not what were looking for.

and kraig urbik is far from a lock to ever play for us, he will be on the team for a few years but i look at him and see him playing a trai essex bum role, or a cameron stephenson bum role....or some of those other sweet hits weve had on the line in recent years

lol if u say so

K Train
05-19-2009, 06:14 PM
dude i promise you that urbik is awful, hes basically what kemoeatu is, only white and he doesnt finish blocks, at least kemo wants to kill defenders on every play even though he sucks. urbik doesnt even give us anger issues to work with

bigben119
05-19-2009, 06:20 PM
dude i promise you that urbik is awful, hes basically what kemoeatu is, only white and he doesnt finish blocks, at least kemo wants to kill defenders on every play even though he sucks. urbik doesnt even give us anger issues to work with

yea lmao but u gotta admit he has potential to be a decent run blocker to say the least n i thought that duke robinson was like the fourth best guard in this draft but a million other guards got drafted before him it really suprised me whats your take on that

K Train
05-19-2009, 06:25 PM
i do like robinson, the panthers got amazing value for him in the 5th, he'll be better than urbik. i would have been thrilled with wood, levitre, and that mammoth herman johnson, and maybe tyronne green. urbik would have lasted a long time if we didnt reach for him imo. the problem with robinson is we viewed him as a low motor player, he really screwed himself in the NC game being outplayed by loadholt in every way.

robinson will be the best guard out of this class though, its hard to judge guards coming out of college because the best guards are tackles that cant cut it at tackle and thats exactly what robinson is, but at least he knows his place is on the interior line.

the title of this thread should be who is more kraig urbik more likely to backup

Dude487
05-19-2009, 10:04 PM
but i think stapleton will replace hartwig.


You're joking right? hartwig is our most consistent lineman. and please don't give me the " he allowed the most sacks in the league last year". he was between the extremely powerful yet sadly inconsistent kemoeatu and the weak stapleton

you want to put a weak guard like stapleton at center in the AFC, especially in the north against guys like halogi ngata? guy's gonna get eaten alive

hartwig always gives a push in the run game, I can't say the same for the rest of our linemen. being an olineman is about consistency. on the steelers only hartwig and colon bring that, even if colon is undersized he brings his all in every play. wish starks and kemo did that....


as far as i see it anything is better than we wat we have right now lol.

see, that's the problem. that is just completely wrong


dude i promise you that urbik is awful, hes basically what kemoeatu is, only white and he doesnt finish blocks, at least kemo wants to kill defenders on every play even though he sucks. urbik doesnt even give us anger issues to work with

if he would do that he'd be a great guard. but no, not on every play, and that's his problem

have you seen urbik play? he's the exact opposite of what you described. great footing and a non stop motor. he'll fit perfectly right next to colon

stapleton will be a reliable backup by midseason. he might be a center in the future if he bulks up. and that's a pretty big "if"

K Train
05-19-2009, 10:49 PM
urbik is fat, slow and heavy footed and he is awful at finishing blocks, kemo is great at finishing blocks once he lands them, he does want to kill a player on every play, he just doesnt always kill the right guy and is terrible in pass protection.

hartwig is not consistant and he doesnt get any push in the run game at all unless you mean pushed backwards

Dude487
05-19-2009, 10:52 PM
urbik is fat, slow and heavy footed and he is awful at finishing blocks, kemo is great at finishing blocks once he lands them, he does want to kill a player on every play, he just doesnt always kill the right guy and is terrible in pass protection.

I see our opinions on Urbik differ. that ok, he's still better than the weak stapleton

kemo finishes blocks, when he actually makes an effort. I'm telling you, he'd be a beast if he wasn't lazy

bigben119
05-19-2009, 11:30 PM
You're joking right? hartwig is our most consistent lineman. and please don't give me the " he allowed the most sacks in the league last year". he was between the extremely powerful yet sadly inconsistent kemoeatu and the weak stapleton

you want to put a weak guard like stapleton at center in the AFC, especially in the north against guys like halogi ngata? guy's gonna get eaten alive

hartwig always gives a push in the run game, I can't say the same for the rest of our linemen. being an olineman is about consistency. on the steelers only hartwig and colon bring that, even if colon is undersized he brings his all in every play. wish starks and kemo did that....



see, that's the problem. that is just completely wrong



if he would do that he'd be a great guard. but no, not on every play, and that's his problem

have you seen urbik play? he's the exact opposite of what you described. great footing and a non stop motor. he'll fit perfectly right next to colon

stapleton will be a reliable backup by midseason. he might be a center in the future if he bulks up. and that's a pretty big "if"

how can u say dat my statement about any o line person could replace our starters is wrong. Our o line is basically jus big blocks of turd that gives ben .001111 second to throw the ball. They have no blocking capablities whatsoever. for christ sake hines ward knows how to block better than these guys. max starks and darnell stapleton has been our most consistent linemen all year. willie colon is too slow at rt and has missed his blocks, komo is inconsistent as u said but has strength i think our o line coach has done a terrible job with these guys, and last but no least HARTWIG IS THE WORST PLAYER ON THAT LINE. are u kidding me? hes a sorry excuse for a center. id rather have a remote control movable sofa in the middle of that line than hartwig. at least we wouldnt have to pay the turd every year for nutin. u said hartwig can run block? yea right i dont kno wat game your watchin o u must be thinkin or jeff HARTINGS. dont worry i understand they sound alike. but really i think we should consider replacing hartwig with a sofa most definitely.

andyg1984
05-19-2009, 11:34 PM
I think looking at our OL as a whole that it is hard to say that Urbik will not find a spot to start by the end of the season when you take into account the possibility of injuries .. I think Urbik will be a solid player eventually, i just think that there were more important spots to fill early (Oher was an option) and we could have picked up Robinson (who at one point was projected to go round 1-2) where we got Urbik or "Big Herm" an entire round later, or Caldwell late 2nd and any of these options would have been better in the long run

Dude487
05-20-2009, 12:29 AM
Our o line is basically jus big blocks of turd that gives ben .001111 second to throw the ball. They have no blocking capablities whatsoever. for christ sake hines ward knows how to block better than these guys.

see? it's things like this that take away your credibility. the steelers oline is not the worst thing in the world

take a look at our games last year and review the oline play objectively



max starks and darnell stapleton has been our most consistent linemen all year.

nope. starks has a boatload of potential, but he is never consistent because he gives up on plays. it's sad cause he is paid so much

stapleton gets no push whatsoever, but at least he tries hard. he'd fail at center if he plays at the level/strength he did last year



willie colon is too slow at rt and has missed his blocks

colon is the hardest worker on our line. I'd rather have a hard worker like colon than a big lazy starks. him and urbik will make a great right side of the line


komo is inconsistent as u said but has strength

strength doesn't help if the guy makes no effort. I like the kid, he's signed here for the next 4 years and I think he can still improve. it was after all his 1st year starting, and many wondered about his mental capability to play. no problem there, but he'd be a mauler if he learned to never give up like colon

and it's kemo btw :greengrin:


i think our o line coach has done a terrible job with these guys,

well, to be fair he hasn't exactly been given very good players to work with


and last but no least HARTWIG IS THE WORST PLAYER ON THAT LINE. are u kidding me? hes a sorry excuse for a center.

he's solid. a first year starter with the steelers who is between two other 1st year starters, one who was too weak and the other who didn't give 100% in his play, and the center position is supposed to stabilize the line, but it's difficult without some help, thus you see him struggle, but never giving up ala starks/kemo

he doesn't have the physical attrbutes that starks, kemo, urbik and colon have, but he works with what he has and is consistent in his solid play. not spectacular by any means, but if all of the steelers linemen were solid and consistent as him instead of lazy or weak....well, ben wouldn't need too much ice after games


id rather have a remote control movable sofa in the middle of that line than hartwig. at least we wouldnt have to pay the turd every year for nutin.

again, credibility taken away by comments like this. would you prefer mahan there? or like you said, stapleton? shaun rogers would have him as a snack, and subsequently ben....


u said hartwig can run block? yea right i dont kno wat game your watchin o u must be thinkin or jeff HARTINGS. dont worry i understand they sound alike.

no, I'd never confuse him with a player as hartings. man I miss that guy, a true blue collar center with all the physical attributes you look for


but really i think we should consider replacing hartwig with a sofa most definitely.

maybe retfosky can get us that sofa :lol:

steelcityrockers
05-20-2009, 06:37 PM
As someone who has watched the OLine objectively, Max Starks is the best player.

bigben119
05-20-2009, 06:50 PM
maybe retfosky can get us that sofa :lol:[/QUOTE]

lmao! at first i didnt kno wat u were talking about but wen i looked it up i laughed so hard. how did u even kno the fact?

Dude487
05-20-2009, 09:40 PM
As someone who has watched the OLine objectively, Max Starks is the best player.

The best player when he plays up to his potential and is not slacking off? sure, I could agree with that

all I ask if for some consistency from the 7 million dollar man

gotta say though, for the type of players max faces in the AFC Noth, he is a good fit. when it comes to 4-3 players his struggles are more noticeable though

steelcityrockers
05-20-2009, 10:07 PM
Meh, there was a stretch last year where he was pretty dominant. This was towards the end of the season when he finally got comfortable at Left Tackle. He's about at his ceiling right now anyway.

Dude487
05-20-2009, 10:48 PM
Meh, there was a stretch last year where he was pretty dominant. This was towards the end of the season when he finally got comfortable at Left Tackle.

yep, and notice the teams we played at that stretch. bengals, pats, cowboys, rats, and browns. all 3-4 teams, and 3 were division games. demarcus ware made his obvious damage, but nothing to embarrass starks

I left out the titans game since the whole offense seemed asleep that day....

and the playoffs....well, the whole unit suddenly was a little better


He's about at his ceiling right now anyway.

sadly, that's true. here's hoping tony hills pans out and becomes our LT next year :crossfingers:

DanRooney
05-22-2009, 05:07 AM
The whole OL did not mysteriously "play better" in the playoffs. We faced two of the weakest defenses in the league in Arizona and San Diego. If I remember, an injured Suggs still got 2 sacks off Ben.

Terribletowel123
06-08-2009, 07:16 PM
The whole OL did not mysteriously "play better" in the playoffs. We faced two of the weakest defenses in the league in Arizona and San Diego. If I remember, an injured Suggs still got 2 sacks off Ben.


hehe you got a really good point , is anyone anxious to see who will start mike wallace vs. limas sweed vs. that mcdonalds guy?
i think sweed will start because he is more of a reciever than wallace for now...
mcdonald i really dont know much of him:cursin::cursin::cursin::cursin::cursin:

Iron City South
06-08-2009, 09:45 PM
dude i promise you that urbik is awful, hes basically what kemoeatu is, only white and he doesnt finish blocks, at least kemo wants to kill defenders on every play even though he sucks. urbik doesnt even give us anger issues to work with

I'm not sure what "mom" put in your brownies for your lunch, but Urbik isn't anything remotely close to Kemoeatu. His style isn't close, his frame isn't close, and his intellect isn't close .....

Urbik will be our best OL in 4 years .... remember who told you. :yellowthumb: