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darnik44
02-20-2009, 06:56 PM
I'll update the results as they happen.

2009 NFL Scouting Combine Results (http://www.nflspot.com/index.php/ncaa-nfl-draft/draft-resources/scouting-combine-coverage.html)

K Train
02-20-2009, 07:23 PM
Offensive Linemen Ht./Wt.

Tackles

William Beatty, Connecticut, 6060 307
Joel Bell, Furman, 6070 315
Alex Boone, Ohio State, 6070 328
Robert Brewster, Ball State, 6042 325
Eben Britton, Arizona, 6060 309
Gerald Cadogan, Penn State , 6050 309
Xavier Fulton, Illinois, 6040 302
Ramon Foster, Tennessee, 6050 328
Andrew Gardner, Georgia Tech, 6064 304
Dan Gay, Baylor, 6040 308
Troy Kropog, Tulane, 6056 309
Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State, 6040 332
Kyle Link, McNeese State, 6050 305
Phil Loadholt, Oklahoma, 6076 332
Ryan McKee, Southern Mississippi, 6060 296
Jamon Meredith, South Carolina , 6050 304
Eugene Monroe, Virginia, 6052 309
Lydon Murtha, Nebraska, 6070 306
Michael Oher, Mississippi, 6044 309
Augustus Parrish, Kent State, 6040 302
Garrett Reynolds, North Carolina, 6080 309
Andre Smith, Alabama , 6040 332
Jason Smith, Baylor, 6050 309
Fenuki Tupou, Oregon, 6050 314
Jose Valdez, Arkansas, 6040 315
Jason Watkins, Florida, 6054 318

Guards

Roger Allen, Missouri Western St. 6030 326
Travis Bright, Brigham Young 6050 316
Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati 6040 307
C.J. Davis, Pittsburgh 6020 308
Paul Fanaika, Arizona State 6050 327
Ray Feinga, Brigham Young 6040 337
Tyronne Green, Auburn 6020 309
Greg Isdaner, West Virginia 6040 325
Herman Johnson, Louisiana State 6072 364
Andy Kemp, Wisconsin 6050 313
Andy Levitre, Oregon State 6030 305
Maurice Miller, Mississippi, 6030 327
Seth Olsen, Iowa 6050 306
Anthony Parker, Tennessee 6020 297
Duke Robinson, Oklahoma 6050 329
Matt Slauson, Nebraska 6050 316
JaimieThomas, Maryland 6040 323
Kraig Urbik, Wisconsin 6050 328
Louis Vasquez, Texas Tech 6050 333
Brandon Walker, Oklahoma 6030 306

Centers

Rob Bruggeman, Iowa 6040 293
Antoine Caldwell, Alabama 6030 309
Jon Cooper, Oklahoma 6020 297
Robbie Felix, Texas-El Paso 6030 302
Alex Fletcher, Stanford 6020 297
Juan Garcia, Washington State 6020 307
Brett Helms, Louisiana State 6020 286
Jonathan Luigs, Arkansas 6040 301
Alex Mack, California 6037 311
A.Q. Shipley, Penn State 6012 304
Max Unger, Oregon 6050 309
Edwin Williams, Maryland 6020 308
Eric Wood, Louisville 6040 310

they were worried about beattys weight, good to see him come in at 307

darnik44
02-21-2009, 08:23 AM
I'll update each position as they complete the tests. Check here for up to date coverage of the Combine.

http://www.nflspot.com/index.php/ncaa-nfl-draft/draft-resources/scouting-combine-coverage.html

--- Added 2/21/2009 at 07:23 AM ---


Offensive Linemen Ht./Wt.

Tackles

William Beatty, Connecticut, 6060 307
Joel Bell, Furman, 6070 315
Alex Boone, Ohio State, 6070 328
Robert Brewster, Ball State, 6042 325
Eben Britton, Arizona, 6060 309
Gerald Cadogan, Penn State , 6050 309
Xavier Fulton, Illinois, 6040 302
Ramon Foster, Tennessee, 6050 328
Andrew Gardner, Georgia Tech, 6064 304
Dan Gay, Baylor, 6040 308
Troy Kropog, Tulane, 6056 309
Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State, 6040 332
Kyle Link, McNeese State, 6050 305
Phil Loadholt, Oklahoma, 6076 332
Ryan McKee, Southern Mississippi, 6060 296
Jamon Meredith, South Carolina , 6050 304
Eugene Monroe, Virginia, 6052 309
Lydon Murtha, Nebraska, 6070 306
Michael Oher, Mississippi, 6044 309
Augustus Parrish, Kent State, 6040 302
Garrett Reynolds, North Carolina, 6080 309
Andre Smith, Alabama , 6040 332
Jason Smith, Baylor, 6050 309
Fenuki Tupou, Oregon, 6050 314
Jose Valdez, Arkansas, 6040 315
Jason Watkins, Florida, 6054 318

Guards

Roger Allen, Missouri Western St. 6030 326
Travis Bright, Brigham Young 6050 316
Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati 6040 307
C.J. Davis, Pittsburgh 6020 308
Paul Fanaika, Arizona State 6050 327
Ray Feinga, Brigham Young 6040 337
Tyronne Green, Auburn 6020 309
Greg Isdaner, West Virginia 6040 325
Herman Johnson, Louisiana State 6072 364
Andy Kemp, Wisconsin 6050 313
Andy Levitre, Oregon State 6030 305
Maurice Miller, Mississippi, 6030 327
Seth Olsen, Iowa 6050 306
Anthony Parker, Tennessee 6020 297
Duke Robinson, Oklahoma 6050 329
Matt Slauson, Nebraska 6050 316
JaimieThomas, Maryland 6040 323
Kraig Urbik, Wisconsin 6050 328
Louis Vasquez, Texas Tech 6050 333
Brandon Walker, Oklahoma 6030 306

Centers

Rob Bruggeman, Iowa 6040 293
Antoine Caldwell, Alabama 6030 309
Jon Cooper, Oklahoma 6020 297
Robbie Felix, Texas-El Paso 6030 302
Alex Fletcher, Stanford 6020 297
Juan Garcia, Washington State 6020 307
Brett Helms, Louisiana State 6020 286
Jonathan Luigs, Arkansas 6040 301
Alex Mack, California 6037 311
A.Q. Shipley, Penn State 6012 304
Max Unger, Oregon 6050 309
Edwin Williams, Maryland 6020 308
Eric Wood, Louisville 6040 310

they were worried about beattys weight, good to see him come in at 307

Beatty put on 16 pounds since the Senior Bowl just a few weeks ago. He was 291 there. He faired well on the bench press with 27 reps of 225. If he shows he can carry the extra weight during the on field drills, he will move up significantly.

Speaking of OT's, Andre Smith killed himself during his press conference. He admitted to being out of shape and isn't working out. He only measured in at 6-4, which is borderline for a LT. He was already having his ability to paly LT questioned, now it really will be.

BlackGold4vr
02-21-2009, 12:15 PM
- Andre Smith not working out will definitely hurt him in the pocketbook. Will it drive him out of the 1st round? Not likely. Teams are so desperate for great tackles that I believe a team will still jump on the opportunity.

- There is still lots of talk at the combine about Michael Oher's inconsistent play. Mike Mayock has him as the 4th tackle taken. There are questions about his character which the Steelers usually try to avoid these types of players. Apparently, he had a very rough upbringing and was thrown out of many schools for behavior problems.

- Michael Crabtree has a stress fracture in his foot and also measured out at 6'1 vice the advertised 6'3 There will be no 40 time for Crabtree before the draft. Most scouts had him as the first WR on their boards.

K Train
02-21-2009, 12:32 PM
smith wont hurt himself too much, he'll work out at the pro day.

im starting to love beatty, 291 would make him a lightweight offensive lineman, but gaining 16 pounds shows his commintment.

lol at crabtree not being 6-3

BlackGold4vr
02-21-2009, 12:44 PM
Your guy Cornelius Lewis hasn't performed too badly. There has been zero talk about him from the commentators. Tyronne Green is another guy who is quietly going about his business and has performed well in every event.

Beatty had a great 40 time [5.12]

Loadholt just looked really bad in the edge rush drill.

Lewis looked smooth!

K Train
02-21-2009, 12:50 PM
well see thats because cornelius lewis is ****ing nasty

K Train
02-21-2009, 12:51 PM
you know how i can watch it? i dont get nflnet at school

BlackGold4vr
02-21-2009, 12:54 PM
you know how i can watch it? i dont get nflnet at school

Do you have it at home? Because NFL network is quite famous for providing about 6 hours of real programming and then looping it over and over and over for the rest of the day. :lol:

Michael Oher just blew the backward hip swivel drill. He was the only one who f**ked it up.

Mayock says Lewis is better suited to move inside and play guard.

K Train
02-21-2009, 12:56 PM
at school as in not close to home lol the draft will be over next time i go home lol

BlackGold4vr
02-21-2009, 01:07 PM
- Not only did Andre Smith stand up and tell the entire NFL that he wouldn't work out. He left the combine! Today everybody is wondering where the hell he went. Apparently the guy came in overweight, told everybody he wouldn't work out, and then he went home! That will cost him some money. :nono:


- Oher did look good in the 1 on 1 pass rush drills between the cones.

- Jason Smith from Baylor stood up in the introductions and told everybody that he was the #1 tackle and so far he has proven that to be a fact! He looks incredibly smooth in EVERY drill.

- Watching these drills. Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe have really seperated themselves as the top 2 guys.

K Train
02-21-2009, 01:14 PM
i found it online

they are making andre smith to big of a deal, he wasnt overweight...he was expected to be 340-350 and showed up at 332. He will just work out at his pro day...no big deal.

Jason Smith is looking nasty, Oher is doing well, I think loadholt looks very lean.....and i think corneilus lewis is ****ing nasty still

beatty is looking ****ing nasty, ive said id like him better than britton for a while now and i think hes seperating himself as the 5th tackle

darnik44
02-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Andre Smith stated he isn't working out because he's out of shape. He said he was busy looking for an agent and didn't start working out until 2 weeks ago. Then he was MIA this morning. The PA announcer made an announcement stating he was not there. He's become the talk of the combine in a negative way. He wasn't overweight, but he was an inch shorter than expected. Many already though he looked more like a guard or RT, at 6-4 that only creates more questions.

He lost money this weekend. Best case scenario he's now the 3rd OT taken and very likely will be the 4th. He was in the mix to be the top OT.

K Train
02-21-2009, 01:33 PM
everything was saying smith was 6-3 that i saw before so 6-4 is going to hurt him. i think they are making it to big of a story, teams will wait until his pro day before saying hes 4th now

darnik44
02-21-2009, 02:19 PM
everything was saying smith was 6-3 that i saw before so 6-4 is going to hurt him. i think they are making it to big of a story, teams will wait until his pro day before saying hes 4th now

Smith was listed everywhere at 6-5, 340ish. He would have never been considered much of a LT prospect at 6-4.

What you seem to be missing is the fact that this is the biggest job interview Smith will ever have. He showed a lot about his character by showing up out of shape and saying he was too busy looking for an agent. Meanwhile, most of the other prospects have been working their asses off to achieve their dream. Now he leaves and doesn't bother to tell anybody. One of the biggest portions of the weekend are the interviews and things that go on when the TV cameras are off. He skipped out on all of that. The top 4 OT's were already so very close. Everybody with any type of NFL ties seem to think it's a big deal.

He also gave a bad press conference yesterday too. I watched it.

K Train
02-21-2009, 02:30 PM
yeah i know he ****ed his day up, but its not a lost cause for him. this will be forgotten if he gets his **** together for his pro day and he can end up right back in the mix of things. i agree though, guys like jason smith are lighting it up and monroe and oher are cementing themselves while andre might be plummeting, but hes still got time

Black@Gold Forever32
02-21-2009, 03:32 PM
I hope Andre Smith does fall...lol He won't fall to far but it would be nice........Yea I thought Oher looked really solid today....Monroe and Jason Smith will get drafted in the top five or ten.....I think Smith will go in the top five.....Monroe could go that high and there isn't no chance he falls out of the top 10....

I still like Britton but he might not be a pure LT....He might be better suited for RT....William Beatty will get over drafted.....I like him but I don't think he will be worth were he gets drafted.....I like Lewis as much as Ktrain does.....I want nothing to do with Loadholt before the third round.....

K Train
02-21-2009, 03:34 PM
i dont know, beatty has been beast. the additional weight shows commitment and hes so ****ing fast. the thought of beatty at 32 and lewis at 64 makes me happy

Black@Gold Forever32
02-21-2009, 03:41 PM
i dont know, beatty has been beast. the additional weight shows commitment and hes so ****ing fast. the thought of beatty at 32 and lewis at 64 makes me happy

Beatty won't be there at 32....I have a feeling some team will draft within the first 20 picks....Just a hunch especially with how the teams went after OT's in last years draft.......You said it yourself he has been a beast and has added the additional weight...He will get over drafted now......I don't think the Steelers will have a shot at him at all at 32.....Don't be shocked if Beatty is the 4th tackle taken......But Oher did look real solid and I still think he will be the fourth the OT......But I wouldn't be shocked if Beatty is the 4th OT taken at this point....I still think Andre Smith will be the third.....The Steelers drafting Lewis would make me happy period....lol

K Train
02-21-2009, 03:52 PM
i just love everything about lewis...im gonna make a lewis sig lol

Black@Gold Forever32
02-21-2009, 03:58 PM
i just love everything about lewis...im gonna make a lewis sig lol

I really like the kid as well.....He can play OT or OG.....What position do you think Lewis is best suited in the NFL?

I wouldn't mind Beatty at all at 32....I just don't see him lasting to pick 32 now......I don't think the Steelers will take an OT at 32......I could see them maybe trading up if Oher or Beatty are still there at picks 20-25.........

BlackGold4vr
02-21-2009, 04:01 PM
Heres a bit of news on another one of the dark horses we like:


As reported yesterday in our ever-expanding list of Steelers' interviewees, Auburn guard Tyrone Green talked with Steelers offensive line coach Larry Zierlein at the combine.

I have watched the senior bowl about 5 times now and every time I watch it I like Green even more. What I can't believe is how he is being ranked as a 5th or 6th rounder by so many. What flaws do they see that I am missing? He looks solid to me!

Another player who impresses me every time I have watched the senior bowl is Alex Mack, the dude is an animal in the trenches. I would be happy with an Alex Mack at 1-32.

Jarron Gilbert of San Jose State checked in at 6-5, 288, the perfect size to become a Steelers' end in their 3-4 scheme. Gilbert's father Darren played for the New Orleans Saints, and he also talked about his now famous YouTube clip from the swimming pool. Gilbert said he hasn't talked to the Steelers yet, but said he'd have no problem handling the no-frills, oxen-like duties of a DE in the Steelers' scheme because, as he said, he was an offensive lineman in college.

K Train
02-21-2009, 04:01 PM
i think lewis is a tackle through and through....he kinda scoffs at being called a guard and playing on the interior he says hes way more comfortable on the outside being on an island one on one with his man.

if we could land a top tackle and then sneak lewis in the second....thats a ****ing draft

Black@Gold Forever32
02-21-2009, 04:03 PM
Heres a bit of news on another one of the dark horses we like:



I have watched the senior bowl about 5 times now and every time I watch it I like Green even more. What I can't believe is how he is being ranked as a 5th or 6th rounder by so many. What flaws do they see that I am missing? He looks solid to me!

Another player who impresses me every time I have watched the senior bowl is Alex Mack, the dude is an animal in the trenches. I would be happy with an Alex Mack at 1-32.

You know I like Tyrone Green as well 4ver.....He is on my list of OL that I like and of OL that I want the Steelers to draft......I hope he is there in rounds 3-4 and the Steelers pick him......I think he is one of the OL sleepers in this draft.....

K Train
02-21-2009, 04:03 PM
Heres a bit of news on another one of the dark horses we like:



I have watched the senior bowl about 5 times now and every time I watch it I like Green even more. What I can't believe is how he is being ranked as a 5th or 6th rounder by so many. What flaws do they see that I am missing? He looks solid to me!

Another player who impresses me every time I have watched the senior bowl is Alex Mack, the dude is an animal in the trenches. I would be happy with an Alex Mack at 1-32.

both mack and unger are both great talents....but im just not about a first round center. hartwig might not be the future there but he was our best lineman last year....theres bigger needs

Black@Gold Forever32
02-21-2009, 04:05 PM
i think lewis is a tackle through and through....he kinda scoffs at being called a guard and playing on the interior he says hes way more comfortable on the outside being on an island one on one with his man.

if we could land a top tackle and then sneak lewis in the second....thats a ****ing draft

Good to hear......I never seen Lewis play....So I can only go by what I read and scout around on the net about Lewis.........I was thinking he was an OT as well.....But I read he could play OG to.......I hope he ends up a Steeler.....

BlackGold4vr
02-21-2009, 04:59 PM
both mack and unger are both great talents....but im just not about a first round center. hartwig might not be the future there but he was our best lineman last year....theres bigger needs


Hartwig gave up more sacks than anyone else at the center position in the entire league last year. 32 of 32, now there is something to be proud of! Did you see the way he was manhandled in the SB? No push in the center of the line whatsoever. Watch the SB again and pay close attention to the backward slide Hartwig did on many of the plays including that safety where he got abused. Then watch the senior bowl again and watch the center of the Souths D-line open up like the Red Sea being parted by Moses while A Mack and M Unger clear the way like a couple of catepillar bulldozers. They both took turns at center and guard but were always on the field together as part of the same line.


Getting a trio like: Alex Mack - Cornelius Lewis - Tyronne Green

Could go a long way towards fortifying that O-line

K Train
02-21-2009, 05:06 PM
Hartwig gave up more sacks than anyone else at the center position in the entire league last year. 32 of 32, now there is something to be proud of! Did you see the way he was manhandled in the SB? No push in the center of the line whatsoever. Watch the SB again and pay close attention to the backward slide Hartwig did on many of the plays including that safety where he got abused. Then watch the senior bowl again and watch the center of the Souths D-line open up like the Red Sea being parted by Moses while A Mack and M Unger clear the way like a couple of catepillar bulldozers. They both took turns at center and guard but were always on the field together as part of the same line.


Getting a trio like: Alex Mack - Cornelius Lewis - Tyronne Green

Could go a long way towards fortifying that O-line

im not saying that harwig is great, and finishing last in sacks given up is a nice stat for you to come up with, but heres the thing, hes not sean mahan. (Dockett isnt exactly an east assignment for the superbowl) but "giving up sacks" is a null stat when ben is always trying to make something happen because ben gives up most of his sacks. mack, lewis and green would be a sick future line, im not saying mack isnt good the dude holds his groud and is probably gonna be a great center.

Mack at 32 is a reach imo, but i wouldnt be pissed about it.

BlackGold4vr
02-21-2009, 05:44 PM
And what I'm saying is that the interior of our line was much worse than our tackle play. We got virtually no push from the center of our line (center and guards). I agree that Hartwig was an improvement over Mahan but that isn't exactly saying much. Our guard play was not much better. We have trashed our OC and our RB's over the problems with short yardage, goal line, and between the tackle running but I assert that our troubles have all stemmed from the soft interior of our O-line. Most of the success we had running was when things were bounced outside. Colon and Starks both had better pass protection stats than any of the 3 in the interior. :yesnod:

Black@Gold Forever32
02-21-2009, 09:17 PM
Mack or Eric Wood also could play OG and they're probably better OG's then most of the OG's in this draft class....So really if one of these players were drafted they could play OG and then take over for Hartwig when Hartwig's contract is up.......

I really like Eric Wood more then Mack but I wouldn't be against Mack at all.......I also don't think Wood will be there when the Steelers pick in the 2nd round.....32 is way to early to pick Wood........

BlackGold4vr
02-21-2009, 10:01 PM
Mack or Eric Wood also could play OG and they're probably better OG's then most of the OG's in this draft class....So really if one of these players were drafted they could play OG and then take over for Hartwig when Hartwig's contract is up.......

I really like Eric Wood more then Mack but I wouldn't be against Mack at all.......I also don't think Wood will be there when the Steelers pick in the 2nd round.....32 is way to early to pick Wood........


If you replaced Kemo and Hartwig with a combo of Mack or Unger and Green, I believe we are instantly better. Yeah, the rookies are going to make some mistakes. But it is what they can do for you when they get it right that can make the huge difference. I think when fans saw some huge holes being opened up in the running game and saw the movement that these guys could get on short yardage, people would be forgiving of a few growing pains. Keep Hartwig around for a back-up center or guard. Hartwig was a 6th round pick that has already been with 3 teams. This guy would be a back-up with any other team. Best way for a new center to learn would be to throw him into the fire. Gotta admit Unger or Mack couldn't do any worse than Hartwig has done. :yesnod:

Black@Gold Forever32
02-21-2009, 10:18 PM
If you replaced Kemo and Hartwig with a combo of Mack or Unger and Green, I believe we are instantly better. Yeah, the rookies are going to make some mistakes. But it is what they can do for you when they get it right that can make the huge difference. I think when fans saw some huge holes being opened up in the running game and saw the movement that these guys could get on short yardage, people would be forgiving of a few growing pains. Keep Hartwig around for a back-up center or guard. Hartwig was a 6th round pick that has already been with 3 teams. This guy would be a back-up with any other team. Best way for a new center to learn would be to throw him into the fire. Gotta admit Unger or Mack couldn't do any worse than Hartwig has done. :yesnod:

I don't want Unger....I don't think he fits our system at all....I think Unger is better suited for teams like the Broncos or Texans......I hope Kemo isn't resigned and it wouldn't break my heart if a center was drafted....Personally Eric Wood is my favorite center in this draft but Mack would be alright with me.....

DIESELMAN
02-21-2009, 10:21 PM
Dammit!! I'm jealous!! I haven't been able to watch any college football, bowl games and now the combines!!! Oh well, I got my resident experts, Danny, Kyle and John!! :woot:

Keep this in the back of your heads guys......the past 2 years Tomlin has been unpredictable when it comes to the draft. 1st year Woodley and Timmons and last year Mendenhall and Sweed, no one seen that coming. Hopefully some of the guys you are talking about will be on Tomlins list as well and they do get drafted by us. Heres hoping for a stud OT and DE on day 1.

BlackGold4vr
02-21-2009, 10:28 PM
I don't want Unger....I don't think he fits our system at all....I think Unger is better suited for teams like the Broncos or Texans......I hope Kemo isn't resigned and it wouldn't break my heart if a center was drafted....Personally Eric Wood is my favorite center in this draft but Mack would be alright with me.....


I would be happy with Wood or Mack as well and I believe either one would be a drastic improvement over Hartwig. I am not a Hartwig hater. He was a stopgap player for us until we found our guy. If we draft one of these top centers which I believe is looking very likely since they are already talking about another run on tackles I think it would be difficult for Hartwig to keep the job through training camp. At this point I am looking for the Steelers to fix the interior line first. It looks like Starks will be our LT next season and I'm okay with that. It also looks like the RT job will be fought over between Colon and Hills. I was not happy with the pathetic push our interior line mustered on short yardage all year! :rant2:

K Train
02-21-2009, 11:07 PM
i do actually like unger in a weird way. the dude is tough as nails, i really think he might be ending up as the best center this year....ive tried to like mack, i really have i just dont know. i guess i dont know about unger either. both guys hold their ground and are explosive off the snap, but neither guy is like nick mangold was, unger is drawing comparisons to kalil who has had a solid career thus far so thats not a bad thing, and i thought kalil was a zone blocking bitch just like 32 thinks unger is....i dont ****ing know lol.

darnik44
02-22-2009, 08:02 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09053/950881-66.stm


INDIANAPOLIS -- Kevin Colbert said cornerback is one of the two deepest positions in the National Football League draft. The other is defensive end, where he said there are plenty of tweener-sized guys who project as outside linebackers in a 3-4 defense -- an area, seemingly, of little need for the Steelers.

Maybe not so with cornerback.

Not if the Steelers can't resign cornerback Bryant McFadden, the only starter on the league's No. 1 defense who is an unrestricted free agent.

"He is a priority, but we know we can't keep this whole team together," said Colbert, the Steelers' director of football operations. "We understand that."

Colbert said the team will try to sign their key free agents before the free-agency period begins Friday. But McFadden, who received $520,000 last season in the final year of a four-year, $2.46 million contract, could earn significantly more than that on the free-agent market.

A lot more, perhaps, than what the Steelers might be willing to pay, especially after putting an $8.451 million franchise tag on tackle Max Starks and getting closer to a new contract for All-Pro linebacker James Harrison that would allow him to end his career with the team.

And McFadden and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, are expected to explore that avenue -- for good reason. McFadden quickly has become one of the most desirable cornerbacks on the free-agent market, and not just because he is a starter on a defense that finished No. 1 against the pass in 2008.

Already, two of the other top cornerbacks who were unrestricted free agents -- Oakland's Nnamdi Asomugha and Kelvin Hayden of the Indianapolis Colts -- have signed lucrative multi-year deals to remain with their teams. In addition, the Houston Texans have placed the franchise tag on cornerback Dunta Robinson and the Washington Redskins appear to have made re-signing cornerback DeAngelo Hall one of their top priorities.

That leaves McFadden, a No. 2 draft pick in 2005 who has started 21 NFL games, near, or at, the top of the free-agent cornerback list. And that could price him out of the Steelers' financial picture.

"It could," Colbert said. "It only takes one team to accelerate the price. It doesn't take a great market. If one team has a sincere interest and you're not able to match [the offer], you're probably going to lose that player."

Rosenhaus could not be reached for comment.

The Steelers also might not be willing to raise the ante for McFadden because they have cornerback William Gay waiting in the wings. Gay started four games last season when McFadden had a broken forearm and then rotated every two series with McFadden when he returned. That rotation continued right through the Super Bowl.

The Steelers also have veteran Deshea Townsend, but they seem content to use him as their nickel back.

"Gay has done some nice things, but you never know if anybody is ready to be a regular until he's a regular," Colbert said. "You saw things in William Gay's play that maybe he can be [a starter], but you don't know. They're kind of like draft picks -- you don't how they're going to be at the next level; you don't how a backup is going to be as a starter.

"So, if you can keep your starter, unless you know for sure [the backup is ready], you're better off keeping your starter if you can."

If they don't, the Steelers might have to look to the draft for help, especially because Townsend will be entering his 12th NFL season. And it is a deep year for cornerbacks.

As many as five cornerbacks could go in the first round, and 11 have a chance to be drafted by the end of the second round.

Thomas_43
02-22-2009, 10:34 AM
What are your thoughts on that Darnik? You think they should let him go and Pick one on the first day of the draft??

darnik44
02-22-2009, 11:02 AM
What are your thoughts on that Darnik? You think they should let him go and Pick one on the first day of the draft??

Well I've been saying for awhile that the Steelers very likely could draft a CB in the first round. I think they trade up for the 4th best OT or draft a CB at #32. Personally I like Macho Harris a ton. I think he's going to be a great CB and can be an immediate return man.

As for McFadden, I'd love them to re-sign him. But, he's going to have some huge offers thrown at him. Remember when the Redskins gave Randle El $30 mil? This could be very similar. In Randle El's case, he was a huge loss and I hated to see him go. But had the Steelers resigned him, they wouldn't have been able to resign all the player that they've locked up long term (Roethlisberger, Parker, Polamalu, Taylor, Smith, Farrior, ect). So what I'm saying is, as much of a loss as he would be, it's not worth screwing up the salary cap. That's always their approach, that's why we're almost always condenders and don't have to endure those rebuilding stages like most other NFL fans.

Thomas_43
02-22-2009, 11:15 AM
I agree with you there, You see that WR, Johnny Knox just ran a 4.25??

K Train
02-22-2009, 05:55 PM
ill tell you what....i hate ranking guards. they are all the same, until the point where they arent.

I think the best guards are tackles that cant cut it as tackles. Duke robinson is a tackle, but hes going to be playing guard, but at least he knows where he belongs in the pros. after watching these workouts the last few days i think loadholt is going to be an absolutely massive guard, i dont think he can play tackle anymore...there were guys putting him to shame. Jason smith and eugene monroe are the top 2 guys, i think andre smith will be a guard when its said and done, but he will be a probowl guard...just a guy that wont be able to cut it on the outside at the next level. hes a very decorated collegiate player but he will probably be shifted inside as a pro, and when he accepts that he'll have a great career. oher hasnt shown anything special, but hasnt hurt himself either.

Unger is the best center this year....i think that will be clear come draft day. Mack and Wood are pretty good in their own rights, but i think unger has a little seperation. Shipley has shot up the boards too. they are 4 good centers imo.

I know alot of you guys like tyronne green, i think he could be ok but im not nearly as high on him as some of you. I kinda have a wierd interest in herman johnson, like hes the size of 2 men at 387 pounds and 6-8 but he was suprisingly fast for a mountain of a man. Hes not gonna wow anyone with speed, and his footwork is poor, but footwork isnt as important when you are simply unmoveable. once he chooses a guy to block its basically over, hes like kemo except bigger and stronger and probably overall better.

i hate britton, and doing only like 17 reps just made that hate grow. beatty will be so much better than him, beatty threw more reps, added weight and still ran a faster time. if the steelers end up with beatty as their first round pick....consider it a win

K Train
02-23-2009, 12:00 AM
Terrence taylor, NT from michigan is 6-0 308 and put up a freakish 37 reps

K Train
02-24-2009, 05:58 PM
malcolm jenkins was atrocious today, his 40 wasnt even in the top ten among corners....4.6 range is bad for a corner. he went from a top 10 pick at corner to a late first round pick at safety. all he did was prove my statement that he was overrated and vontae davis is the best corner in the draft.

Black@Gold Forever32
02-24-2009, 10:02 PM
ill tell you what....i hate ranking guards. they are all the same, until the point where they arent.

I think the best guards are tackles that cant cut it as tackles. Duke robinson is a tackle, but hes going to be playing guard, but at least he knows where he belongs in the pros. after watching these workouts the last few days i think loadholt is going to be an absolutely massive guard, i dont think he can play tackle anymore...there were guys putting him to shame. Jason smith and eugene monroe are the top 2 guys, i think andre smith will be a guard when its said and done, but he will be a probowl guard...just a guy that wont be able to cut it on the outside at the next level. hes a very decorated collegiate player but he will probably be shifted inside as a pro, and when he accepts that he'll have a great career. oher hasnt shown anything special, but hasnt hurt himself either.

Unger is the best center this year....i think that will be clear come draft day. Mack and Wood are pretty good in their own rights, but i think unger has a little seperation. Shipley has shot up the boards too. they are 4 good centers imo.

I know alot of you guys like tyronne green, i think he could be ok but im not nearly as high on him as some of you. I kinda have a wierd interest in herman johnson, like hes the size of 2 men at 387 pounds and 6-8 but he was suprisingly fast for a mountain of a man. Hes not gonna wow anyone with speed, and his footwork is poor, but footwork isnt as important when you are simply unmoveable. once he chooses a guy to block its basically over, hes like kemo except bigger and stronger and probably overall better.

i hate britton, and doing only like 17 reps just made that hate grow. beatty will be so much better than him, beatty threw more reps, added weight and still ran a faster time. if the steelers end up with beatty as their first round pick....consider it a win

Train.....I'm glad you see what I see in Loadholt....I have been saying I wouldn't draft until the third round....I never thought of him as an OG though....I still wouldn't draft him to high.....

I like Tyrone Green....I think he is the typical OG the Steelers look for...He is real good at pulling.....Herman Johnson scares me and not in a good way......

I gave up the Steelers having a shot at William Beatty for a while now....His combine insures he will get drafted before the Steelers pick at 32....I wouldn't be shocked if he is the fourth tackle taken.....I still like Britton but I don't think he is a LT in the NFL....Those 17 reps are troubling but still what a player does at the combine doesn't mkae my final judgment....But it does factor in.....

DCBill
02-25-2009, 10:16 PM
The story with Oher, which has been captured in a book called "The Blind Side," is his intelligence and capacity to handle the "mental" part of the game.

I know nothing more than that, which i read in several places (including his profile in the "Sporting News War Room), but he's supposed to be a skillful football player at a valuable position, LT.

darnik44
02-26-2009, 06:18 AM
malcolm jenkins was atrocious today, his 40 wasnt even in the top ten among corners....4.6 range is bad for a corner. he went from a top 10 pick at corner to a late first round pick at safety. all he did was prove my statement that he was overrated and vontae davis is the best corner in the draft.

I think you're 2/3 right here. Davis is the top CB, Jenkins is too slow to be a top 15 CB, but I still see him in the top 15...as a FS. As soon as he ran his 40 I immediatly took him out of my CB rankings and put him as my #1 FS.

Somebody would still take him as a CB late in the first like you said, but because of his overall value (still top 15 FS), I don't see him getting that chance.

Maybe the Browns will be dumb enough to take him real high as a CB. Santionio can torch him twice a year.

steelcityrockers
02-26-2009, 04:30 PM
The story with Oher, which has been captured in a book called "The Blind Side," is his intelligence and capacity to handle the "mental" part of the game.

I know nothing more than that, which i read in several places (including his profile in the "Sporting News War Room), but he's supposed to be a skillful football player at a valuable position, LT.


I love Oher. He is an ideal LT. A perfect blend of size and athleticism. He would need a good strength coach (He only really started to lift his Sophomore year in college) and someone to keep him motivated. It isn't that he isn't smart, it's just that he has really only been to school for a few years. I would be ecstatic if the Steelers were to trade up into the middle of the 1st to take him.