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BlackGold4vr
02-09-2009, 10:48 PM
If the draft turned out this way I would consider it a pretty good draft. Here goes.


1-32 | Alex Mack | C | 6'4 | 312 | Cal
2-64 | Robert Ayers | DE | 6'3 | 270 | Tenn
3-96 | Fenuki Tupou | OT | 6'6 | 325 | Ore
3-102 | Andy Levitre | G | 6'2 | 306 | Ore St
4-138 | Tony Fiammetta | FB | 6'0 | 246 | Syr
5-176 | Chris Clemons | S | 6'1 | 210 | Clem
6-214 | Tyronne Green | G | 6'2 | 305 | Aub
7-252 | Marcus Thigpen | RS | 5'9 | 198 | IU

Thigpen is a return specialist who is a burner!

:tt02:

K Train
02-10-2009, 02:08 PM
im just not about mack in the first

or a FB anytime. but you cant just draft 4 olineman in one draft class because most of the will probably end up being bums, especially with our scouts. if we really want to have a good oline we need one of the best guys in the first or second round, not a bunch of late round misfit training camp fodder

BlackGold4vr
02-10-2009, 02:23 PM
im just not about mack in the first

or a FB anytime. but you cant just draft 4 olineman in one draft class because most of the will probably end up being bums, especially with our scouts. if we really want to have a good oline we need one of the best guys in the first or second round, not a bunch of late round misfit training camp fodder


My list is under the assumption that we take players that should be available when it is our turn to pick. Of course I would love for the Steelers to move up for a franchise left tackle. It is just something that the Steelers rarely do so I am not counting on it. Past the top 4 guys the rest are not going to have the impact that most of us are hoping for. Alex Mack is the top center and can also play guard. Even if we had him play guard his first year until we brought in more help, he couldn't be any worse at guard than Stapleton or Kemoeatu. :yesnod:

I would rather have the best center than the 5th or 6th best tackle.

If we're going to keep one (FB) on the roster then I want it to be someone other than Carey Davis. That guy sucks at everything you want or expect a fullback to do!

K Train
02-10-2009, 03:00 PM
im just saying drafting 4 olinemen is never the way to fix a broken oline. you need to draft one or 2 quality guys or hit free agency. most teams dont have the kind of voids we have on the oline, when you need guys to contribute right away you need to draft high, were not looking for projects. and i think a WR needs to be included somewhere

Thomas_43
02-10-2009, 07:30 PM
I love the ayers pick, I mentioned him in another post. As for Mack, I'm with K-train. Also with K-Train with the WR needs, how about Hakeem Nicks late in the first. The kid has some hands, or Ramses Barden in the 3rd.

Black@Gold Forever32
02-10-2009, 07:43 PM
WR is a need...Nicks is one of my favorite WR's in this draft.....I also like Jeremy Maclin from Mizzouri and Kenny Britt from Rutgers.....I'm intrigued about Ramses Barden......Smaller WR's that I really like are Mike Thomas from Arizona and he also can return kicks.....I also like Jarrett Dillard from Rice......

I'm not against the Steelers drafting that many OL......They will have nine picks in this draft....If the Steelers don't trade up then they will have to use them all anyway.....

steelcityrockers
02-10-2009, 07:48 PM
Eh, I am not a big fan of taking a Wide Receiver too early considering they just took Sweed last year in the 2nd round.

Thomas_43
02-10-2009, 08:24 PM
You gotta remember, Washington is a FA, Leaving us with Sweed, Ward, and Santonio. We need some competition in there. I mean, Dallas Baker is always an option.............I personally don't think Nate will be back. I imagine he'll end up somewhere like Minnesota or Tampa Bay.

K Train
02-10-2009, 08:51 PM
i think nate will be a titan, a lion or a bear at this point. i dont know, i mean if the steelers want him back im sure he'll be back but i think they might let him walk.

steelcityrockers
02-10-2009, 09:39 PM
You gotta remember, Washington is a FA, Leaving us with Sweed, Ward, and Santonio. We need some competition in there. I mean, Dallas Baker is always an option.............I personally don't think Nate will be back. I imagine he'll end up somewhere like Minnesota or Tampa Bay.



Yeah, but I seriously do not think it is really necessary to draft a wideout in the first. Off the top of my head I can't remember who is a free agent ut someone like Mike Furrey or Shaun McDonald would not be a terrible low price free agent pick up. Both have played Special Teams too at times, and Furrey has even started at safety in the past.

K Train
02-10-2009, 10:08 PM
wr isnt a first round priority unless it is crabtree or maclin. I honestly would prefer just moving way the **** up by trading the 32nd and next years first to grab oher or monroe.

steelcitysfinestXL
02-11-2009, 02:58 PM
Yeah, but I seriously do not think it is really necessary to draft a wideout in the first. Off the top of my head I can't remember who is a free agent ut someone like Mike Furrey or Shaun McDonald would not be a terrible low price free agent pick up. Both have played Special Teams too at times, and Furrey has even started at safety in the past.

As much as i agree we dont NEED a first round WR, we have to remember how the steelers draft. They will basically go into this draft with the same old adadge "Everything is open in the first round minus QB and TE" If someone like Nicks (call me silly i think he is everybit as good if not better than Crabtree) falls to us with the last pick i think we'd be slightly crazy not to take him!!! Or like Ktrain said... trade our 1st (plus more/future picks) and maybe throw in Foote to move way the f*ck up and grab a stud T.

K Train
02-11-2009, 06:11 PM
Heres my current one, these picks are as they stand now....everyone knows i wanna trade way up lol

1. William Beaty T-Ive decided i like him more than britton
1b. Duke Robinson G...for obvious reasons
1c. Tyson Jackson DE

2. Levitre G- Definitely a true guard, isnt like robinson where he could play RT and isnt like mack that he could play center. Levitre could be a pretty solid second round pick
2b. Derrick Williams WR- Penn state players scare me, but we need a returner that can play on offense too

3. Cornelius Lewis T- Depending how the rest of the draft shapes up, this guy is pretty nasty. my favorite sleeper in the oline department. He could be moved into guard but says hes way more comfortable outside on the left. reports are saying hes been unbeatable one on one. He might be my favorite player besides oher and jackson

4a. Jarron Gilbert DE- Smaller school prospect that had an outstanding season, reminds alot of scouts of kendall langford who went in the 3rd round to the dolphins. A tad undersized for a 34DE but that can be fixed, hes talented enough to play the position.
4b. Domonique Johnson CB- Most of you have probably never heard of him...let me just say that he is sick.


im still working on 5+beyond

steelcitysfinestXL
02-11-2009, 06:33 PM
Derrick Williams would be a monster pickup in the second round... i see what your saying about Penn State draft picks cause i am a HUGE Penn State fan... they just dont materialize as GREAT pro players. Even LJ with his current track record in the nfl is turning out to be a disappointment.

But Williams is a gamer. He is one of those guys that you just have to find a way to get the ball in his hands cause he is a monster once he has the rock! Robinson was the last player they had like him and he isnt panning out cause he was a qb his whole career and he would never make it as a qb in the nfl. Williams played the H-Back/WR position his whole PSU career. He would immediately compete w/ Sweed for the 4th and take over all return duties and other ST's. If he is around in the second and we got our guy at OL in the first, he would be a brilliant pick up!

Zachintosh66
02-11-2009, 08:50 PM
My Radar:
D. Williams, WR, Penn St
V. Davis, CB, Illinois
V. Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
E. Monroe, OT, Virginia
E. Britton, OT, Arizona
F. Tupou, OT, Oregon
D. Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
P. Harvin, WR, Florida
P. White, WR, West Virginia
T. Jackson, DE Louisiana State

We will narrow things down as they get closer

--- Added 2/11/2009 at 07:50 PM ---


by trading the 32nd and next years first to grab oher or monroe.

We trade up with our current years crop of picks... i dont remember the last time we have traded a next years pick... i just dont see that happening.

Black@Gold Forever32
02-11-2009, 09:04 PM
Heres my current one, these picks are as they stand now....everyone knows i wanna trade way up lol

1. William Beaty T-Ive decided i like him more than britton
1b. Duke Robinson G...for obvious reasons
1c. Tyson Jackson DE

2. Levitre G- Definitely a true guard, isnt like robinson where he could play RT and isnt like mack that he could play center. Levitre could be a pretty solid second round pick
2b. Derrick Williams WR- Penn state players scare me, but we need a returner that can play on offense too

3. Cornelius Lewis T- Depending how the rest of the draft shapes up, this guy is pretty nasty. my favorite sleeper in the oline department. He could be moved into guard but says hes way more comfortable outside on the left. reports are saying hes been unbeatable one on one. He might be my favorite player besides oher and jackson

4a. Jarron Gilbert DE- Smaller school prospect that had an outstanding season, reminds alot of scouts of kendall langford who went in the 3rd round to the dolphins. A tad undersized for a 34DE but that can be fixed, hes talented enough to play the position.
4b. Domonique Johnson CB- Most of you have probably never heard of him...let me just say that he is sick.


im still working on 5+beyond

Gilbert and Johnson are players that I like very much as well.....I prefer Britton.....But its hard to argue against any of your players on your list......I think Cornelius Lewis is the most intriguing player on your list.....

K Train
02-11-2009, 09:19 PM
i like lewis more than i liked benedict last year before he died....and i thought benedict was gonna be ****ing awesome

darnik44
02-11-2009, 09:36 PM
-I'm done talking about Mack. I'll just say there's not a chance they draft him that high.

-Ayers will be long gone by atleast the top of the 2nd round.

-I like Tupou in the 3rd

-I like Fiammetta quite a bit

-Levitre will be long gone before the Steelers pick in the 4th

-Clemons is a sensible pick

-Tyrone Green could go as high as the 3rd round.

-Thigpen, why not. It's the 7th round. Pretty good chance he'll still be on the board. He's a wild card. Look how high we drafted Willie Reid just as a return man. Personally, I don't like wasting a roster spot on a guy who will only be a return man.

--- Added 2/11/2009 at 08:36 PM ---

Round 1:

-Trade up for a top tier OT
-Draft the best available CB (Moore, S. Smith, Pegues, A. Smith, Harris) or Tyson Jackson (if available)
-Trade down and draft Eben Britton or William Beatty

Black@Gold Forever32
02-11-2009, 09:39 PM
i like lewis more than i liked benedict last year before he died....and i thought benedict was gonna be ****ing awesome

I'm really intrigued by Lewis....I just hope the Steelers scouts are thinking the same as we are Ktrain....Looking at your list of players and they're similar to the players that I would like to see the Steelers draft......Especially Gilbert and Lewis....Of course Tyson Jackson....I also like Domonique Johnson alot.....I don't know if he will last until the Steelers pick in the 4th round......Same with Gilbert......I think both could sneak into the third round and will both be gone at the latest early fourth round.....The Steelers would have to trade up in the 4th to get either one.....

K Train
02-11-2009, 09:43 PM
see i think they could go into the 3rd, i think its possible that lewis goes in the second. i think these guys are gonna be getting quite a bit of attention. we cant be reaching for the bruce davis's of 09 when these sleepers are there for the taking.

i hate bruce davis btw

Black@Gold Forever32
02-11-2009, 09:51 PM
see i think they could go into the 3rd, i think its possible that lewis goes in the second. i think these guys are gonna be getting quite a bit of attention. we cant be reaching for the bruce davis's of 09 when these sleepers are there for the taking.

i hate bruce davis btw

I'm not giving up hope on Bruce Davis yet...lol I didn't mind the pick but there was other players that I wanted when the Steelers picked Davis......I agree the Steelers shouldn't reach and pass on sleepers as well......But just cause you and I are high on a player doesn't mean they will be good...lol But I wanted Cliff Avril as well...lol

Lewis in the 2nd doesn't sound crazy at all....I think he goes early third......I think both Gilbert and Johnson will be third rounders.....Maybe Johnson early 4th.......Gilbert has impressed very much pre-combine......

darnik44
02-11-2009, 09:52 PM
see i think they could go into the 3rd, i think its possible that lewis goes in the second. i think these guys are gonna be getting quite a bit of attention. we cant be reaching for the bruce davis's of 09 when these sleepers are there for the taking.

i hate bruce davis btw

What do you hate about Bruce Davis? He hasn't had much opportunity or need to show anything yet. I had him rated as a late 2nd round pick last year. I though he was a steal. I think he'll be one of those guys who we see improve each year and eventually be a solid starter (way down the road when Harrison is no more).

Davis was a beast at UCLA and a very, very excellent team leader for the Bruins. He played with a lot of passion and played hard every single play.

Jason Gildon started out as a little heard from rookie who wasn't immediatly needed. The Steelers took their time with him, developed him, and eventually became the Steelers all time sack leader.

K Train
02-11-2009, 09:59 PM
by no means have i given up on davis, thats not my style. but i hated the pick at the time, i think cliff avril should have been the pick. all i saw davis do was run around in circles during the preseason....that kind of just added to my disappointment. he really hasnt shown much of anything, not that hes been given much opportunity but still.

K Train
02-11-2009, 10:01 PM
I'm not giving up hope on Bruce Davis yet...lol I didn't mind the pick but there was other players that I wanted when the Steelers picked Davis......I agree the Steelers shouldn't reach and pass on sleepers as well......But just cause you and I are high on a player doesn't mean they will be good...lol But I wanted Cliff Avril as well...lol

Lewis in the 2nd doesn't sound crazy at all....I think he goes early third......I think both Gilbert and Johnson will be third rounders.....Maybe Johnson early 4th.......Gilbert has impressed very much pre-combine......
lol i read this after i posted. damnit when we say they are good they are gonna be good lol

DCBill
02-23-2009, 09:24 PM
Let me offer my "list," with the caveat that I see the Steelers receiving two "comp picks"--one after the third round and the other after the fourth--for losing Alan Faneca last year.

When added to the extra "seventh" we have for the trade of Allan Rossum, we'll have 10 choices (can't trade comp picks) in April's draft, which might encourage Colbert to try and move up in Round 1 for one of the premier OTs.

Notwithstanding that possibility, here are my choices:

1) Alex Mack (Tyson Jackson is their fallback, if Mack is gone).

2) Fili Moala, DT/DE USC (assuming they get their OL in Round 1; Duke Jackson, G, if they go DL in Round 1).

3) Eric Wood, C Louisville (but he'll play G or OT in Pittsburgh; if Wood is gone, they go for Antoine Caldwell, C Ala., for the same reasons as Wood).

3-A (Here's where they get a "comp pick" and they will choose...Pat White or if he doesn't want to sign with them to play "Slash," they'll grab Brian Robiske, WR, Ohio State (See you later Nate.), who has hands and size.

4) Matt Schaughnessy, DE Wisconsin

4-A (I think they get their second "comp pick for Faneca between the foruth and fifth rounds, and will choose Trevor Canfield, G, Cincinatti or Luis Vasquez, G, Texas tech.

5) Javorskie Lane, 6-0, 285 RB/FB (the next "Bus").

6) Chip Vaughan, SS, Wake Forest or Michael Hamlin, SS Clemson (both 6-1. 215) and either one will do.

7-A, for Rossum) Morgan Trent, CB, Michigan or Dominique CB, Jackson State (both over 6 feet and 4.5 speed)


7-B) Marcus Thigpen, Indiana, KR with 4.37 speed, 5-9, 195 pounds.

$teelersRule
02-23-2009, 10:06 PM
good list just no way in hell does wood fall that far, he probably wont even last till our second round pick

K Train
02-23-2009, 10:43 PM
Let me offer my "list," with the caveat that I see the Steelers receiving two "comp picks"--one after the third round and the other after the fourth--for losing Alan Faneca last year.

When added to the extra "seventh" we have for the trade of Allan Rossum, we'll have 10 choices (can't trade comp picks) in April's draft, which might encourage Colbert to try and move up in Round 1 for one of the premier OTs.

Notwithstanding that possibility, here are my choices:

1) Alex Mack (Tyson Jackson is their fallback, if Mack is gone).

2) Fili Moala, DT/DE USC (assuming they get their OL in Round 1; Duke Jackson, G, if they go DL in Round 1).

3) Eric Wood, C Louisville (but he'll play G or OT in Pittsburgh; if Wood is gone, they go for Antoine Caldwell, C Ala., for the same reasons as Wood).

3-A (Here's where they get a "comp pick" and they will choose...Pat White or if he doesn't want to sign with them to play "Slash," they'll grab Brian Robiske, WR, Ohio State (See you later Nate.), who has hands and size.

4) Matt Schaughnessy, DE Wisconsin

4-A (I think they get their second "comp pick for Faneca between the foruth and fifth rounds, and will choose Trevor Canfield, G, Cincinatti or Luis Vasquez, G, Texas tech.

5) Javorskie Lane, 6-0, 285 RB/FB (the next "Bus").

6) Chip Vaughan, SS, Wake Forest or Michael Hamlin, SS Clemson (both 6-1. 215) and either one will do.

7-A, for Rossum) Morgan Trent, CB, Michigan or Dominique CB, Jackson State (both over 6 feet and 4.5 speed)


7-B) Marcus Thigpen, Indiana, KR with 4.37 speed, 5-9, 195 pounds.

a steeler fan looking for a slash and a bus at one time....shocker. pat white is gonna be a second round pick since hes willing to do wr drills and showed he had a cannon hooked to his shoulder at the combine. a wildcat team will grab him up

unger>mack at this point. mack wont sniff the first round.

i lost all respect for you when you said javorskie lane, then you called him the next bus and i thought about just ignoring the stupidity...but just couldnt...he is a fat peice of **** and i would say he wont even be drafted. the bus comparisons make me a little sick

BlackGold4vr
02-24-2009, 12:53 AM
I no longer believe that a tackle will be our highest priority with the signing of Maxipad.
But I also have a hard time believing with all the troubles we had with short yardage, running inside and pass-pro that the emphasis will not be on the O-line. Here is my new list:

1-32 Alex Mack (C), : watched Mack and Unger closely at the senior bowl and I just like Mack better. He plays with a nastier disposition than Unger IMO and he can play center or guard just like Unger. I would be happy with either one but Mack is my first choice.

2-64 Macho Harris (CB): With the imminent loss of McFadden a replacement is coming. I just hope that they can wait until the 2nd pick to address it. Harris will get plenty of good coaching from Mike Tomlin the secondary guru to bring him up to standards.

3-96 Jarron Gilbert (DE): This guy has done nothing but impress. From what I saw of him at the combine he could fit into that rotation nicely. You know Orpheus Roye was a one year stop gap. This guy can contribute right away IMO. Might need to move up to grab him but not by much.

3-104 Fenuki Tupou (T): This guy was a pretty decent left tackle for the 2nd best Division 1A running offense in the country. He is a road grater who I hope can give Hills and Colon a run for the money at RT. At worst he is a back-up tackle who can play at either spot in a pinch.

4-136 Tony Fiammetta (FB): This guy is an absolute beast. Don't care whether people think we need a fullback or not. If we are going to carry one on the roster it may as well be one who can block and get the tough yards for you......that aint Carey Davis!

5-176 Tyronne Green (G): Again this guy impressed at the senior bowl. Was touted as the guard who delivered the most pop off the line and also the best pulling guard at the senior bowl. Obviously this didn't go unnoticed as this was one of the guys Steeler brass talked to at the combine.

6-216 Marcus Thigpen (HB): Special teams demon, game breaker. This guy is a Maurice Jones Drew in the making. 5'9 199 with ludicrous speed. No doubt in my mind if he makes the roster he returns a few kicks for touchdowns.

Picture this guy in the black and gold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjw1TKNALbM

steelcityrockers
02-24-2009, 04:16 PM
Marcus Thigpen is nothing at all like Maurice Jones-Drew.


Jones-Drew is about 5'7'' 220. I forget his listed weight, but its around there. HE has plenty of speed but MoJo is a power, downhill runner. Thigpen is a pure speed guy. They are NOTHING alike in the way they play.

I am not a big fan of Tupou. He played in a really weird system where all the passes they do is a roll out, so it is hard to tell if he can pass block really.

I hate Macho Harris. He is a decent ST guy, but his hips are really stiff and he himself is pretty short. He would be better at safety but has size limitations.

--- Added 2/24/2009 at 03:16 PM ---

Oh and Pat White, K Train, doesn't really have a cannon in pads. If you look at some tape, you'll see his arm is only really so-so. He looked good basically playing catch at the combine. His footwork did look solid, but I am not near sold on him as a QB. His throwing motion is just too robotical.

Zachintosh66
02-24-2009, 04:31 PM
the 3 OL i really like so far is: (let it be clear, im betting an "elite" 1st round OT/OG wont be there when its our pick and im against reaching for one, take BPA)

Fenuki Tupou, Oreg (day 1)
Kraig Urbik, Wisc (late day 1)
A. Q. Shipey, Penn St (day 2)

My biggest fear right now is that we lose both Mcfaddy and Washington...

steelcityrockers
02-24-2009, 05:09 PM
I'm curious as to Shipley. He has a horrific body for a center.

K Train
02-24-2009, 05:50 PM
Marcus Thigpen is nothing at all like Maurice Jones-Drew.


Jones-Drew is about 5'7'' 220. I forget his listed weight, but its around there. HE has plenty of speed but MoJo is a power, downhill runner. Thigpen is a pure speed guy. They are NOTHING alike in the way they play.

I am not a big fan of Tupou. He played in a really weird system where all the passes they do is a roll out, so it is hard to tell if he can pass block really.

I hate Macho Harris. He is a decent ST guy, but his hips are really stiff and he himself is pretty short. He would be better at safety but has size limitations.

--- Added 2/24/2009 at 03:16 PM ---

Oh and Pat White, K Train, doesn't really have a cannon in pads. If you look at some tape, you'll see his arm is only really so-so. He looked good basically playing catch at the combine. His footwork did look solid, but I am not near sold on him as a QB. His throwing motion is just too robotical.

what i meant is white showed me an arm that i didnt think he had...i always thought his arm was a noodle. he impressed me throwing at the combine. and him doing wr drill at wvus pro day will make him a second round pick