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Steelerlyn
10-24-2006, 04:46 PM
Can someone explain to me why we needed a second timeout to freeze the kicker? Hadn't he already had plenty of time to think about the kick?Washington's penalty would never have happened if we had a timeout, giving Reed the opportunity to kick and win. We just keep shooting ourselves in the foot.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-24-2006, 04:48 PM
Basically we had to put everything we had into trying to stop that kick. The game was on the line and we had no idea how the rest of the game would play out so trying to make him think about it as much as possible was the best route the coaches felt, besides the fact that it was a really long kick.

Steelerlyn
10-24-2006, 04:57 PM
BC knows more than I do, I am just an observer and seem to frequently ask why some things are done. A guy who has played football also looks at the entire game differently from a person who has never played.

But this seems like one of those "we've always done things this way" deals! Maybe it actually worked one time and teams thought it was a great idea forever afterwards. The overall quality of kickers in the league now..where 45 yarders are almost automatic..is a far cry from the 1960's when the level of athleticism and time spent on their craft was far less for specialty things like kicking.

:bigthumb:

AZ_Steeler
10-24-2006, 05:06 PM
The timeout came in handy because the Falcons decided to let Anderson try and kick the FG instead which as we all know he missed it, so I'm not complaining about the call. Batch had plenty of time on the clock to make sure everyone was set all he had to do was wait 3-5 more seconds before he snapped the ball.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-24-2006, 05:09 PM
Now looking at it the Steelers having a timeout would have been huge. I don't know why Cowher spent two time outs in icing the kicker. I'm still trying to figure out why Bill Cowher even had Ricardo Colclough returning punts at the start of the season? Bill has made some strange moves this. Cutting Chide was another one.

BBG7
10-24-2006, 05:14 PM
Icing the kicker a couple times is nothing unusual for the Steelers. It works out pretty well most of the time. I do see your point but there is no way to predict what was going to happen and the spike would have worked out perfectly if they didn't call that on Nate.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-24-2006, 06:06 PM
The bottom line is, icing the kicker worked and they missed the FG giving us the chance to drive down and win the game ourselves. Had we not iced him twice, who knows if he'd have missed that kick or not. Hard to say :dunno:

Black@Gold Forever32
10-24-2006, 06:26 PM
The bottom line is, icing the kicker worked and they missed the FG giving us the chance to drive down and win the game ourselves. Had we not iced him twice, who knows if he'd have missed that kick or not. Hard to say :dunno:

Man I just like saving at least 1 timeout. Thats just my :2cents:. But I should also add I don't think Jeff would have made that field goal. That would have been 50+. Jeff struggles from that range.

SteelerFan87
10-24-2006, 06:35 PM
This is one of those things where it's easy to second guess the decision. But I mean, put yourself in that position. It's a must-win game, the other team is about to kick the game winning field goal. You have to do anything and everything you can to try to prevent that from happening. There was no way to anticipate that they would call a false start on Nate for "flinching" on a spike. And the fact is, it worked. Anderson missed the kick. What if Cowher hadn't called the time out, and Anderson had made the kick? Then everyone would be talking about how Cowher should have used the time out.

But the fact is, we shouldn't have even needed to ice the kicker again. We iced Koenen the first time, and then he missed. If they don't call that bullshit running into the kicker penalty on Troy, none of this is even necessary, we have that extra time out, and 5 extra yards of field position.

Troyisabeast_43
10-24-2006, 06:44 PM
Bill Cowher has always been horrific in using the clock and timeouts since he started coaching for some reason. This has always been a huge huge thing with Cowher that drives me nuts with him. Is he challenges stupid calls a lot of the times,and doesnt use his timeout wisely when we need them too, or takes too long to use them. There is no excuse at all for Cowher to kneel on that ball right before the half on Sunday when Farrior got the intereception and we had 3 timeouts left with 45 seconds on the clock especially right after we marched right down the field on them. Like Ive mentioned in a lot of other posts here the last few days and weeks this season so far Bill Cowher just has not done a good job coaching or managing games for some reason. He left Colclough in there in the 4th quarter of the most important game of the year to catch a punt after he knew week after week the guy stinks and is capable of making a fumble or mistake at anytime. At least today at his press conference Cowher admitted that the team is not finishing and not making the plays late in games that they use to make last year to win games. Im glad he recognizes that at least. But so far this year Cowher in my opinion just has not done a good job at all in a lot of areas clock management being a big one.

BlitzburghRockCity
10-24-2006, 07:12 PM
That running into the kicker penalty brought back horrific memories of the Titans playoff game when Dewayne Washington did the same thing and we ended up losing that game.

SteelerFan87
10-24-2006, 08:50 PM
Yeah, why is it that a kicker can make up for any bad kick by just finding a defender to step on?

AZ_Steeler
10-24-2006, 08:52 PM
That was a crap penalty because Troy was laying on the ground watching the ball and the kicker ran into Troy!!!! This is a rule that needs to be looked at because a lot of these kickers are hanging out in acting school now ;)

BlitzburghRockCity
10-24-2006, 10:03 PM
Joe Nedney could have won an ocsar for his acting performance during that game against the titans, and after watching Koenin on sunday it seems he and Joe have been hanging out in the offseason.

officials think as soon as a kicker hits the ground somebody is automatically at fault, I swear they should have 1 official watch him the entire time and see how bad it really is because 9-10 times it shouldnt even be a damn penalty !

AZ_Steeler
10-24-2006, 10:37 PM
Does anybody have a picture of the running into the kicker against Troy??

I swear, Troy was laying on the ground watching the kick and whats his face brings his leg down and falls on Troy... Someone should already be watching the kicker, not watching the ball then turning around and seeing the kicker on the ground and then immediatley throw a flag!

It was crap!

SteelerFan87
10-24-2006, 10:47 PM
It's ridiculous, because Koenen had already landed on his left leg, and was kind of standing on it watching the kick while slowly bringing his right leg down, then he saw it missed, stepped on Troy, and fell down. At that point is wasn't any worse than if he had been walking down the field and slipped on a bad patch of turf.

BBG7
10-24-2006, 11:41 PM
Joe Nedney could have won an ocsar for his acting performance during that game against the titans, and after watching Koenin on sunday it seems he and Joe have been hanging out in the offseason.

officials think as soon as a kicker hits the ground somebody is automatically at fault, I swear they should have 1 official watch him the entire time and see how bad it really is because 9-10 times it shouldnt even be a damn penalty !

Nedney even said that he said that he should take up acting after he retires from football. That was one game I will never forget...but karma got a hold of him in a bad way....the Raiders did end up injuring him the next week, and ever since then it was one injury after another!