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SteelersWoman
12-18-2008, 07:12 PM
http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/2008/12/wednesday-update.html

by Dale Lolley


Speaking to some different guys in the locker room, I got some interesting answers to why they thought there hadn't been a holding penalty called against a Steelers opponent in 23 quarters – a span of nearly six games.

I'll have that story in Friday's Observer-Reporter.

So we're NOT just making more out of the no calls than we should, and this proves it--unbelievable, and completely inexcusable.

AZ_Steeler
12-18-2008, 07:36 PM
Someone needs to send this to the office of NFL and have it investigated! It's absurd and probably some sort of record!!!

DIESELMAN
12-18-2008, 08:10 PM
Got this off of SCI.com



PITTSBURGH – Casey Hampton goes up against Kevin Mawae this week in Tennessee, and Hampton knows a little bit about the Pro Bowl center for the Titans.

“He’s crafty,” Hampton said. “He holds, knows the little tricks.” But Hampton doesn’t expect Mawae to be called for holding. And why should he? The Steelers haven’t drawn an offensive holding call in 24 quarters. The last was called on Washington Redskins (http://was.scout.com/) left tackle Chris Samuels (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3672168) in the fourth quarter of the Nov. 3 game.
In that span, the Steelers have been called for offensive holding eight times. Every member of the offensive line except Chris Kemoeatu (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3683545) has been flagged during that stretch, as have two tight ends and wide receiver Hines Ward (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3683579) – twice.

“We don’t get held,” Hampton said with a straight face. “That’s the bottom line. They don’t hold us.”

Even Hampton himself has been called for holding more in the past six games – once – than the Steelers’ opposition.

“I’m telling you, we don’t get held, man,” he said. “I mean, they play their best game against us every week. They just block us so well. They never hold us.”

As the group of reporters surrounding Hampton began to laugh, the big man held his deadpan.

“They’re great athletes. They get their hands inside and do their job,” he said.
Chris Hoke (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3683542) laughed about his teammate’s comments. So did Aaron Smith (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3683565).

“I don’t even know what holding is anymore,” Smith said. “Look at what they’re doing to James Harrison (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3683540). They’ve got one guy holding him by the neck and another guy holding his legs. I guess I don’t have a true understanding of what’s holding.”
Neither, apparently, do the officials. TV replays last Sunday once again picked up an opposing left tackle holding Harrison around the neck as the Steelers’ star pass rusher came low and hard around the corner.

“I’ll let the ref know after the play that I’m being held,” said Harrison. “But he’ll say ‘Well, it’s so-and-so’s job,’ or ‘It’s this guy’s job.’ I even had a guy look me dead in the face, that saw me getting yanked down, and I asked him for the hold call and he just dropped his head and looked away like I wasn’t even talking to him.

“I don’t like it, but if they don’t call it, there’s nothing I can do about it. I can complain or whatever, but it’s not going to help. It hasn’t helped me the last two, three weeks.”
Harrison didn’t get a sack against the Ravens on Sunday and fell behind DeMarcus Ware in the NFL race by five.

Harrison, who has 15 sacks, also trails Joey Porter (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3642698) (17) and John Abraham (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3661827) (15.5), but his 94 tackles, seven forced fumbles and an interception that makes him the top contender for the Defensive Player of the Year Award, according to Colts Coach Tony Dungy.

“If I had to vote right now, I’d vote for James Harrison,” Dungy told Sirius Radio yesterday. “He’s like a Randy Moss (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3694737) or Dwight Freeney (http://pit.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=8&c=1&nid=3655095). You have to game plan for him in terms of how you’re going to block him in the passing game. So he puts that on the table even before the game starts, and then he does other things: He drops in pass coverage, covers tight ends. They move him around and he’s not just a one-dimensional pass rusher. He’s a linebacker that also rushes and he’s been the most dominant player on the best defense in football, and, shoot, by next Sunday they may have the best record in football.”

Even though no one’s holding them.

By Jim Wexell (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:location.href=%27http://search.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=4&c=1&search=1&sskey=%22%27%20+%20escape%28%27Jim%20Wexell%27%29% 20+%20%27%22&sssiteid=68%27;)
SteelCityInsider.com
Posted Dec 18, 2008

Our guys have class, they'll joke about it and mention it during a game but they won't be outright bitchin and crying about it.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-18-2008, 08:20 PM
At this point you have to joke about it, getting all torqued up doesn't solve anything and it's not going to change. The refs are more than happy to flag us all the time but God forbid if they actually call holding against the defense!

Zachintosh66
12-18-2008, 08:25 PM
thanx for the jinx

DanRooney
12-18-2008, 08:55 PM
I mean come on nobody holds James Harrison

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZzSeX2ctOaA/SUbAhjoeeYI/AAAAAAAACZ4/1DbjGIbnXmc/s1600-h/harrisonholding.jpg

:lol:

Ambridge
12-18-2008, 09:01 PM
The refs are more than happy to flag us all the time but God forbid if they actually call holding against the defense!

Amen!!

Not only holding penalties but I don't know how many questionable hits I've seen Ben take this season that I would bet the farm against that the refs would drop a "Roughing the Passer" flag in a second if the Steelers defense did the exact same thing.

HUNT4SEVEN
12-18-2008, 09:27 PM
6 Games come on,:cursin::cursin:Man they just didn't want the steelers to set the single season record HATER'S:cursin:thanks for the story:tt02::tt02:

BlacknGold Bleeder
12-18-2008, 10:42 PM
Got this off of SCI.com

Our guys have class, they'll joke about it and mention it during a game but they won't be outright bitchin and crying about it.

They will just leave it up to the fans !! :lol:

MOTORKRAFT
12-19-2008, 12:28 AM
Good,!!! I'm glad they don't call holding. Silverback will just take it to the next level in the playoffs.

Steel Trap86
12-19-2008, 12:33 AM
its unbelievable how seahawks and ravens fans right now still think the refs favor the steelers.

steelcurtain09
12-19-2008, 10:10 AM
Here's the article he promised

No holding back on this issue for Steelers' defense
This article has been read 223 times.
By F. Dale Lolley, Staff writer

dlolley@observer-reporter.com (dlolley@observer-reporter.com)
PITTSBURGH - If it's happened once, it's happened a couple of dozen times. A Steelers defender slips into the opponent's backfield only to have an offensive player wrap an arm around his neck, as if he's trying to apply a professional wrestling sleeper hold.




And in the past six games, it hasn't resulted in a holding penalty on the offense, a span of 24 quarters.
What gives?
"We don't get held," Hampton said with a growing smirk on his face. "That's the bottom line. They don't hold us.

"(Offensive lines) play their best game against us every week. They just block us so well. They never hold us."
Hampton obviously doesn't believe that and neither do his teammates.
But the fact remains that it's been nearly two months since an offensive line has been called for holding against the Steelers - three were called against the Washington Redskins Nov. 3. During that span, the Steelers (11-3) have been called for offensive holding eight times. Hampton even drew a defensive holding penalty in a game against Dallas earlier this month.
"If they're not calling it, I guess they're not holding us," said linebacker James Harrison, who leads the Steelers with 15 sacks.


"There's nothing we can do about it. If they're not going to call it, then they're not going to call it."

Even with the lack of holding penalties in recent games, Pittsburgh's opponents still have been penalized for it more times than the Steelers (21-19).
The lack of holding calls has been a growing trend in the NFL the past few seasons. There were 881 holding penalties called in the NFL in 2005, when the Steelers won their last Super Bowl. That number fell to 576 in 2006, a decrease of 34 percent.
Holding penalties stayed roughly the same in 2007, but the league is on pace for only 543 such calls this season.

And the offenses have responded by putting up big numbers against everyone but the Steelers. Pittsburgh has given up an NFL-low 192 points and has not allowed an opponent to gain 300 yards in 14 consecutive games. That ties the 1973 Los Angeles Rams for the longest such streak since 1970.
While scoring in the league is up, interceptions are down. Fewer holding penalties equals more time for quarterbacks to scan the field and more time for receivers to get open. "There's really nothing you can do about it," said linebacker James Farrior. "We talk to the refs about it during the game, 'Watch so and so and so forth.' But if they're not calling it, there's nothing you can do."

ejsteeler
12-19-2008, 11:06 AM
Can't let a lowly Steeler take the sack title away from America's team, now can they....:evilshake:

James and the rest of the boys will make it for it with fire in their bellies. :cope:

SteelersWoman
12-19-2008, 10:56 PM
Some holds are just so much more blatant (and thus effective, in my mind) than others, and it seems that teams playing us know they're not gonna get called, so they don't even care how blatant it is. They know they can literally stranglehold us with no repurcussions.

BlitzburghRockCity
12-20-2008, 12:14 PM
Another article about it.. (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08355/936498-66.stm?cmpid=HBEHTML)


Apparently, nobody is holding. At least, not according to the officials.
The Steelers have not seen an opponent called for offensive holding since the fourth quarter of the Nov. 3 game against the Washington Redskins, when left tackle Chris Samuels was penalized for holding Harrison.
That's six games -- 24 quarters -- without a holding penalty against the best pass-rush team in the AFC.
"That's shocking, actually," said center Justin Hartwig. "We sit out there and watch the defense and you see James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley getting around the edge like every play, and guys are just grabbing onto their shoulder pads and pushing them from behind.
"There are so many plays that are holding, but they don't call them. It happens so often. I don't know if the refs come to expect that, that they're just going to get around the corner every time, and they just don't call it or what."
OK, opponents have been called for offensive holding two other times since the 23-6 victory against Washington. But they hardly count.
In each instance -- against Indianapolis Nov. 9 and New England Nov. 30 -- the offensive holding penalty occurred on a punt return by the opponent.
When told of the penalty drought, Steelers defensive players reacted with mock sarcasm.
"I guess teams are doing a great job of blocking us," Farrior said.
"We don't get held -- ever," said defensive end Brett Keisel. "It's unbelievable."
"They're great athletes," said nose tackle Casey Hampton, trying to hold back a smile. "They get their hands inside and do their job."

lloydfan4life
12-20-2008, 01:21 PM
I mean come on nobody holds James Harrison

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZzSeX2ctOaA/SUbAhjoeeYI/AAAAAAAACZ4/1DbjGIbnXmc/s1600-h/harrisonholding.jpg

:lol:

That's not holding........ it's freakin' MUGGING!!! :rant2:

BBG7
12-20-2008, 01:27 PM
like our guys said....offensive lines just play their best games against us....yeah right!

It does **** me off though....look at how many more sacks Harrison would have if they would call the obvious penalty half the time

DIESELMAN
12-20-2008, 08:01 PM
What comes around, goes around......this will come back to bite the refs and the NFL in the *** before its over with.....