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Iron City South
09-29-2008, 10:49 PM
Start passing around blame wherever you wish, but the reality of the situation is this:

If Tomlin can honestly look into a camera in his press conference and say he didn't see this coming, he should be immediately shown the door and escourted down to the Greyhound station.

Make no mistake about it, Zerlein and Arians are absolute worthless pieces of sheat and should never have been allowed to keep thier jobs from last year. If Tomlin does not FIRE the coordinators by the end of this, what could turn into a wasted season, then his *** needs to be on the fu<kng hot seat.

One thing you could always say about Cowher is that he ruled his Coordinators with an Iron Fist; he was generally hard on them behind closed doors. Tomlin better start showing his leadership metal soon because its inexcusable to a have as much talent as we have on this team only to look this pathetic.

I'm very disgusted at this lame half-hearted effort right now .... :evilshake:

BlitzburghRockCity
09-29-2008, 10:54 PM
Ok let's see here we have:

-100 million dollar QB who won a superbowl and been to a pro bowl
-pro bowl running back
-a HOF WR when his career is over
-a top flight counterpart WR
-one of the best TE's in the league
-first round pick RB

and what do we have to show for it? A whole lot of nothing that's what! A line that can't block, backs that get hurt, a QB who doesn't see the field, WR's who aren't coming back to help the QB and an under utilized TE and a whole bunch of 3 and outs.

It's truly a pathetic state this team is in right now; Tomlin has to step up to the plate and fix this ship because the water is beginning to come over the bow as we speak and the lifeboats are full of holes.

Black@Gold Forever32
09-29-2008, 10:55 PM
Start passing around blame wherever you wish, but the reality of the situation is this:

If Tomlin can honestly look into a camera in his press conference and say he didn't see this coming, he should be immediately shown the door and escourted down to the Greyhound station.

Make no mistake about it, Zerlein and Arians are absolute worthless pieces of sheat and should never have been allowed to keep thier jobs from last year. If Tomlin does not FIRE the coordinators by the end of this, what could turn into a wasted season, then his *** needs to be on the fu<kng hot seat.

One thing you could always say about Cowher is that he ruled his Coordinators with an Iron Fist; he was generally hard on them behind closed doors. Tomlin better start showing his leadership metal soon because its inexcusable to a have as much talent as we have on this team only to look this pathetic.

I'm very disgusted at this lame half-hearted effort right now .... :evilshake:


Mike Tomlin is a clown I'm convinced.......This team has looked shiat on the road since he took over.......He seems lost when the team gets man handled like they did last week and tonight......He should have just remained a DC....Some guys are not HCs....I'm starting to think Mike Tomlin is HC material....Problem is the Rooney's are patient to a fault...I fear we're going to waste 3-4 years with Mike Tomlin as HC.....

BlitzburghRockCity
09-29-2008, 10:57 PM
Suzy Kolber said at half time that his locker room was full of pissed off players and that he himself was pissed off. Well so far this pissed off group of players hasn't done anything to rectify that situation yet.

steelcityrockers
09-29-2008, 11:35 PM
I still like Tomlin. Patience can pay off. You have to remember, he didn't have a great deal of experience when he got this job (DC for 1-year, position coach for about 10 or so) and was only 34. He is really intelligent ad is still learning the ropes of a Head Coach in the NFL. I think it is still really early to give up on him.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-29-2008, 11:44 PM
This team is in a precarious position right now...Tomlin needs to hold this team together because the season is in the balance even this early. If they don't pull it together you can forget any thoughts of the post season.

steelcityrockers
09-29-2008, 11:47 PM
I disagree. You still would have 12 games left. Would it be easy? Not necessarily, but it can be done.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-29-2008, 11:57 PM
Have you been watching the last 3 weeks man? LOL.. The signs were there in Cleveland, they were really there vs the Eagles and you could see them tonight regardless of the outcome. As much as we're getting beat up in this game, the fact that Ben isn't seeing the field, not making good decisions under pressure most of the time, we have 1 healthy RB at this point, the WR's aren't coming back to help Ben, the defensive line is short staffed, Heath isn't being used enough, the line can't block anyone without keeping 9 in to block and having 1 wr in a pattern....need I go on?

This team is a very uneasy spot right now and if they can't get things squared away, and the toughest part of the schedule coming up we're liable to find ourselves in a bad way sooner rather than later.

Im not saying we might as well throw in the towel just yet and of course this team is talented enough to be competitive but they sure haven't shown it yet with any consistency this year.

steelcityrockers
09-30-2008, 12:00 AM
I was kinda looking at it with an optimists view I suppose. I feel that this team at the very least, has enough talent to turn it around. Whether or not it does is up to many variables, but I like to think it will.

Black@Gold Forever32
09-30-2008, 12:05 AM
I was inda looking at it with an optimists view I suppose. I feel that this team at the very least, has enough talent to turn it around. Whether or not it does is up to many variables, but I like to think it will.


Hey I'm glad you're optimistic...I used to be.....To many AFC title loses by the Steelers ruined my attitude toward the team...I always expect the worse...lol They have talent...I just don't think they have the proper coaching..

BlitzburghRockCity
09-30-2008, 12:06 AM
Trust me I like to think it will as well, I'd like to think they will rally and right this ship that is floundering right now in a sea of inconsistency. The jury is out on what will happen so we'll just have to stay tuned...

BlacknGold Bleeder
09-30-2008, 12:36 AM
This team is a very uneasy spot right now and if they can't get things squared away, and the toughest part of the schedule coming up we're liable to find ourselves in a bad way sooner rather than later.

This isn't news to anyone, we all knew before this season that this was a NASTY schedule, honestly one of the toughest I've ever seen. We are playing the elite in this league week in and week out. this team is getting a trial by fire and so far we are 3-1, thats got to be considered a plus.

DBR96A
09-30-2008, 01:18 AM
Pyrrhic victory

NOUN: A victory that is offset by staggering losses.

We're getting beaten to Hell before we even enter the meat of our schedule. I'm afraid this puts us in grave danger in future games.

Black@Gold Forever32
09-30-2008, 01:33 AM
The bye is coming up after the Jags game....This team does need that bye week bad right now...

AZ_Steeler
09-30-2008, 03:24 AM
Plus the Jags have just as many injuries as the Steelers... should be a good one as it always is! :bigthumb:

jpele
09-30-2008, 08:21 AM
Our offensive coaching staff sucks plain and simple and that all falls on Tomlins' shoulders. Am I the only one that thinks the same of our defense ? Doesn't anyone else hate when a rookie QB shreds our vaunted D, when we can't hold a lead.

Last night was really upsetting,come on, this was an almost non exsistant(til they played us) Ravens offense

Iron City South
09-30-2008, 08:58 AM
This isn't news to anyone, we all knew before this season that this was a NASTY schedule, honestly one of the toughest I've ever seen. We are playing the elite in this league week in and week out. this team is getting a trial by fire and so far we are 3-1, thats got to be considered a plus.

The "tough schedule" card is absolutely bullshiat. The last time I checked all 32 teams in the NFL were of professional caliber, all use Free Agency and the draft to remold their team each year (so previous year results are pretty much meaningless), and all subject to key injuries which can make or break ANY team.

Furthermore, you cite the "tough schedule" as if we have even gotten to that part of the schedule yet ..... WE HAVE NOT! With the exception of the Eagles (who didn't look that elite yesterday), we have been playing a "B" list of teams.

The Steelers got away with a win yesterday, but let's not get so caught up in the homerism that we forget this is not a very good offensive team, in fact, they're not good at all right now. The fact that we lost some bodies this week only makes us worse.

Do you know when we got "average" yesterday? .... We got up to average when Ben went to Tomlin in the 4th qtr. and said, "LET ME CALL THE PLAYS .... AND LET ME GO "NO HUDDLE" ..... When Tomlin approved this plea ... This basically put Arians on ice with both Tomlin and Roethlisberger. This was their way of saying, "Thanks for playing Bruce, but perhaps you're better served helping the equipment manager stir the Gatorade.

Evidently they both saw a major part of the problem and felt the need to do something about it.

For that, I give Tomlin some credit.

LarryNJ
09-30-2008, 08:59 AM
Our offensive coaching staff sucks plain and simple and that all falls on Tomlins' shoulders. Am I the only one that thinks the same of our defense ? Doesn't anyone else hate when a rookie QB shreds our vaunted D, when we can't hold a lead.

Last night was really upsetting,come on, this was an almost non exsistant(til they played us) Ravens offense


:plus1:

Exactly jpele! Defense wins championships, championship defenses do not give up drives like that in the 4th quarter to bad offensive teams, at home on Monday night. Plain & simple.

On the plus side the D can get better and carry us for a while, and let's not forget we are in a sorry division and once you make the playoffs anything can happen. Look at the Giants last year or our SB year.

LatrobePA
09-30-2008, 09:14 AM
:plus1:

Exactly jpele! Defense wins championships, championship defenses do not give up drives like that in the 4th quarter to bad offensive teams, at home on Monday night. Plain & simple.

On the plus side the D can get better and carry us for a while, and let's not forget we are in a sorry division and once you make the playoffs anything can happen. Look at the Giants last year or our SB year.

Keep in mind guys our D needs rest, when our O goes 3 and out that don't allow our boys time to rest up. They are the best when this happens.

Iron City South
09-30-2008, 09:18 AM
Our offensive coaching staff sucks plain and simple and that all falls on Tomlins' shoulders. Am I the only one that thinks the same of our defense ? Doesn't anyone else hate when a rookie QB shreds our vaunted D, when we can't hold a lead.

Last night was really upsetting,come on, this was an almost non exsistant(til they played us) Ravens offense

Our defense is basicalyl playing with 1/3 of our starting line and a banged up secondary that has been moved around like chess pieces; now that Townsend is back and B-Mac has a few games under his belt, things will get better back there. Additionally, our D under Uncle Dick is and always has been predicated on playing a stout run defense foremost. Considering the magnitude of our Offensive problems right now, this really isn't where we should be focusing our bitch on. I'm confident our Defense will be in the top 10 in the league this year.

Your point on the Offensive situation is well taken. :plus1:

LarryNJ
09-30-2008, 09:39 AM
Everyone knows that the O is the major problem and you are right Latrobe that the D needs rest and all the 3 and outs didn't help them last night. But come on this wasn't the Manning, McNabb, Brady, or Farve it was friggin Flacco a 3rd string running back and a sorry excuse for an offense.

LatrobePA
09-30-2008, 09:44 AM
Lick my sacko flacco played a good game, didn't seemed rattled, he might be a keeper for the rats!!

Cam Cameron is an awesome OC, plain and simple....

Iron City South
09-30-2008, 09:54 AM
Everyone knows that the O is the major problem and you are right Latrobe that the D needs rest and all the 3 and outs didn't help them last night. But come on this wasn't the Manning, McNabb, Brady, or Farve it was friggin Flacco a 3rd string running back and a sorry excuse for an offense.

Why would some of you think just because a QB is new to his team, he can't play the game? More importantly, why would some of you think that a small school QB wouldn't be able to perform at this level? Do I need to remind you of how Ben got his first start a few years back and how he did coming from a MAC school?

Flacco played a hell of a good game yesterday against a very good defense; a defense that gave him some good shots. Any attempt to marginilize his performance becuase he's the "new guy" is just rediculous. To be quite honest, Flacco looks like the best the Ravens have had in quite some time ..... maybe ever. He has a good future in this league.

HUNT4SEVEN
09-30-2008, 10:18 AM
Start passing around blame wherever you wish, but the reality of the situation is this:

If Tomlin can honestly look into a camera in his press conference and say he didn't see this coming, he should be immediately shown the door and escourted down to the Greyhound station.

Make no mistake about it, Zerlein and Arians are absolute worthless pieces of sheat and should never have been allowed to keep thier jobs from last year. If Tomlin does not FIRE the coordinators by the end of this, what could turn into a wasted season, then his *** needs to be on the fu<kng hot seat.

One thing you could always say about Cowher is that he ruled his Coordinators with an Iron Fist; he was generally hard on them behind closed doors. Tomlin better start showing his leadership metal soon because its inexcusable to a have as much talent as we have on this team only to look this pathetic.

I'm very disgusted at this lame half-hearted effort right now .... :evilshake:BRUCE ARIANS SHOULD BE SHOT:cursin:RUNNING UP THE MIDDLE WITH MOORE?:rant2:THAT SO CALLED OFFENSIVECOORDINATOR SHOULD BE SHOT WITH HIM, TOMLIN HAS 2 TAKE CONTROL OF THE OFFENSIVE CALLS, IF WE WASTE THIS SEASON IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF THE O-LINECOACH AN THAT BUM A** HOLE OF AN O-COORDINATOR:cursin:WE HAVE THE TALENT BUT WE KEEP SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT:cursin:

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Lick my sacko flacco played a good game, didn't seemed rattled, he might be a keeper for the rats!!

Cam Cameron is an awesome OC, plain and simple.... Yep i wanted the Steelers to get him last year when he became available:cursin:

Iron City South
09-30-2008, 12:46 PM
Not even a question of who i would have taken between Cam Cameron and Bruce Arians.

Anyone that gets fired from Cleveleland shouldn't even be up for consideration.

jpele
09-30-2008, 01:12 PM
Why would some of you think just because a QB is new to his team, he can't play the game?

It would be different if it were just Flacco, we happen to make all average or below average QB's look good. We made Michael Vick look like Joe Montana, kyle Boller beat us and how about that pro bowler Kellen Clemens. Its a long list and has been happening for a few years.

Iron City South
09-30-2008, 01:21 PM
It would be different if it were just Flacco, we happen to make all average or below average QB's look good. We made Michael Vick look like Joe Montana, kyle Boller beat us and how about that pro bowler Kellen Clemens. Its a long list and has been happening for a few years.

I hear your frustration, but in comparing past QB's to now is like comparing apples to moose balls. Vick looked good against us because he was good against us. His fleet feet were a massive threat and the moment you tried to keep him honest and put another man or 2 in the box .... he beat us with his arm.

Bottom line: Sometimes very average QB's in the league can have very above average days. It happens to the best of defenses .... :yellowthumb:

Dean Denton
09-30-2008, 01:31 PM
Not even a question of who i would have taken between Cam Cameron and Bruce Arians.

Anyone that gets fired from Cleveleland shouldn't even be up for consideration.

I have been saying that for 2 years. Why would you want someone the Browns fired?

LarryNJ
09-30-2008, 04:25 PM
Flacco being new is just part of the picture, the Rats are #25 in total offense and they played the power house Defenses from Cincy & Cleveland. Last year they were 22nd. Their top RB was out. In my mind there's no excuse for us letting them drive the length of the field to tie the game in the 4th quarter. Luckly the D had a chance to redeem them selves in OT and stepped up to the plate. :yellowthumb:

Black@Gold Forever32
09-30-2008, 05:06 PM
I don't know how anybody can be critical of the defense...They have kept us in the game the past two games.....Plus the defense even scored a TD last night.....I have no problems with the defense......I understand the frustration of seeing a rookie QB make plays on them at times.....But the Ravens offensive players get paid to and Flacco was a first round pick for a reason so he does have some talent.....The defense has given up 17, 6, 13 (remember the Eagles D did have a safety) so that is why I didn't count the two points against our defense, then they only gave up 20 last night which 13 came in the first half when the offense did little to help them out.....

Plus Hampton, Keisel were out.....I think the defense is fine and will remain one of the best all year....

memphissteelergirl
09-30-2008, 05:32 PM
I was kinda looking at it with an optimists view I suppose. I feel that this team at the very least, has enough talent to turn it around. Whether or not it does is up to many variables, but I like to think it will.

There is absolutely wrong with that. I try to take a "glass half view" approach myself. Hopefully Ben's lighting a fire under the team's collective azzes at halftime last night will carry over. We're still 3-1 (but some are bitchin' and moanin' as if we're 0-4), but the guys better do a gut-check and realize they can't get complacent now.

dawgs
09-30-2008, 05:50 PM
whats up everyone, I've been in cali on vacation for a couple weeks at my cousins house. hope you didn't miss me to much.

Browns finally got a win. I can't believe I stuck up for stallworth. I feel everyone should be givin a chance, and he blew that already. what a baby, pulled groin and misses 4-5 weeks common. He would not last 5min with my boys playing backyard style. hoping he and joe J, plus tucker mybe jones will be ready for week 6.

steelers have been playing ok, the OL is a complete joke like most of us said. that alone will prob keep you guys from contending for a superbowl.

I'll also say this, the browns defense after week one has not been that bad. played great against the steelers, anderson screwed are defense against bartimore, and played well against cici. so if we get are offence atleast near what it was last season, then I feel we can still make some noise. But getting healthy would be key also.

I wish pittsburgh had a basketball team. I know u guys don't care about that, but if u had a team u would feel different. I know the cavs would whoop up on pittsburgh in that sport for sure.

sucks about simmons, and the rookie RB. simmons was like your best OL men on that horrible line. that can't be good.

Dean Denton
09-30-2008, 06:10 PM
whats up everyone, I've been in cali on vacation for a couple weeks at my cousins house. hope you didn't miss me to much.

Browns finally got a win. I can't believe I stuck up for stallworth. I feel everyone should be givin a chance, and he blew that already. what a baby, pulled groin and misses 4-5 weeks common. He would not last 5min with my boys playing backyard style. hoping he and joe J, plus tucker mybe jones will be ready for week 6.

steelers have been playing ok, the OL is a complete joke like most of us said. that alone will prob keep you guys from contending for a superbowl.

I'll also say this, the browns defense after week one has not been that bad. played great against the steelers, anderson screwed are defense against bartimore, and played well against cici. so if we get are offence atleast near what it was last season, then I feel we can still make some noise. But getting healthy would be key also.

I wish pittsburgh had a basketball team. I know u guys don't care about that, but if u had a team u would feel different. I know the cavs would whoop up on pittsburgh in that sport for sure.

sucks about simmons, and the rookie RB. simmons was like your best OL men on that horrible line. that can't be good. Are you kidding me? If Pitt had a hoops team it would be the same thing as football for you guys. Beat down after beat down. And you wont hear anyone bitch about losing that lineman. he sucked anyways. But hey, you keep dreaming about us having a hops team buddy...welcome back...lol

Clevelandsux
09-30-2008, 06:23 PM
Well I think our team showed resilency and heart. I agree though I'm losing faith in Tomlin. He blew how many timeouts? Arians blows.

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Lebron will be in NY or La within' two years. I don't care about basketball. Our line sucks but your whole team sucks. Had Palmer played you'd be 0-4. Maybe Cleveland should get a hockey team?

steelcityrockers
09-30-2008, 07:52 PM
whats up everyone, I've been in cali on vacation for a couple weeks at my cousins house. hope you didn't miss me to much.

Browns finally got a win. I can't believe I stuck up for stallworth. I feel everyone should be givin a chance, and he blew that already. what a baby, pulled groin and misses 4-5 weeks common. He would not last 5min with my boys playing backyard style. hoping he and joe J, plus tucker mybe jones will be ready for week 6.

steelers have been playing ok, the OL is a complete joke like most of us said. that alone will prob keep you guys from contending for a superbowl.

I'll also say this, the browns defense after week one has not been that bad. played great against the steelers, anderson screwed are defense against bartimore, and played well against cici. so if we get are offence atleast near what it was last season, then I feel we can still make some noise. But getting healthy would be key also.

I wish pittsburgh had a basketball team. I know u guys don't care about that, but if u had a team u would feel different. I know the cavs would whoop up on pittsburgh in that sport for sure.

sucks about simmons, and the rookie RB. simmons was like your best OL men on that horrible line. that can't be good.


No. No he was not. He was the 5th best, and that is debatable depending on how well Stapleton does. He is completely average at everything he does. Marvel Smith is the best followed by Justin Hartwig, then Willie Colon, and finally Chris Kemosomething.

dawgs
09-30-2008, 08:35 PM
If cleveland got a hockey team that would be sweet. mybe I would watch that stupid sport then.

could careless where lebron will be in 2 years. If cavs have a championship then Im all good. Plus I love how people say he is going to NY. THEY SUCK!!! knicks are the butt of every joke, even worse then the browns. nets are about the same. I own more of the nets then J-Z does.

lebron will never play with kobe, and he would not be caught dead on the clippers. Its all about winning for lebron, right now cavs are the front runners in the east. since celtics looked like fools thoughout the playoffs. 7 games against the hawks?? no.


Mybe one day pittsburgh will get a baseball team!

TEEMONT
09-30-2008, 08:47 PM
If cleveland got a hockey team that would be sweet. mybe I would watch that stupid sport then.

could careless where lebron will be in 2 years. If cavs have a championship then Im all good. Plus I love how people say he is going to NY. THEY SUCK!!! knicks are the butt of every joke, even worse then the browns. nets are about the same. I own more of the nets then J-Z does.

lebron will never play with kobe, and he would not be caught dead on the clippers. Its all about winning for lebron, right now cavs are the front runners in the east. since celtics looked like fools thoughout the playoffs. 7 games against the hawks?? no.


Mybe one day pittsburgh will get a baseball team!



Did I see the Indians fire-sell some players this year? Maybe one day Cleveland won't such a **** hole....

GoBenGo
09-30-2008, 09:00 PM
Ok let's see here we have:

-100 million dollar QB who won a superbowl and been to a pro bowl
-pro bowl running back
-a HOF WR when his career is over
-a top flight counterpart WR
-one of the best TE's in the league
-first round pick RB
and what do we have to show for it? A whole lot of nothing that's what! A line that can't block, backs that get hurt, a QB who doesn't see the field, WR's who aren't coming back to help the QB and an under utilized TE and a whole bunch of 3 and outs.

It's truly a pathetic state this team is in right now; Tomlin has to step up to the plate and fix this ship because the water is beginning to come over the bow as we speak and the lifeboats are full of holes.....all that with no o-line is like having a ferrari on an island...cool, fast, high-performance....but you can't go any where with it

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Are you kidding me? If Pitt had a hoops team it would be the same thing as football for you guys. Beat down after beat down. And you wont hear anyone bitch about losing that lineman. he sucked anyways. But hey, you keep dreaming about us having a hops team buddy...welcome back...lol
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K Train
09-30-2008, 09:04 PM
i hate how alot of you are calling for tomlins head like ****ing tool bags, at least we dont have romeo ****ing crennel running ****

steelcityrockers
09-30-2008, 09:15 PM
Or Scott Linehan or Lane Kiffin or Bobby Petrino or Al Davis etc. etc. I, obviously, agree with you K Train. People need to stop acting like ****ing morons and realize not every game is going to be a 67-17 blowout of New England ( with Tom Brady.) It is so bad, that they would complain about the 17 points given up. Take the win and shut the **** up. I am sure you people could run a team so much better tha any of those coaches (except Linehan...he sucked)

Steelerlyn
09-30-2008, 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by TOP GUN
Ok let's see here we have:

-100 million dollar QB who won a superbowl and been to a pro bowl
-pro bowl running back
-a HOF WR when his career is over
-a top flight counterpart WR
-one of the best TE's in the league
-first round pick RB
and what do we have to show for it? A whole lot of nothing that's what! A line that can't block, backs that get hurt, a QB who doesn't see the field, WR's who aren't coming back to help the QB and an under utilized TE and a whole bunch of 3 and outs.

It's truly a pathetic state this team is in right now; Tomlin has to step up to the plate and fix this ship because the water is beginning to come over the bow as we speak and the lifeboats are full of holes.
....all that with no o-line is like having a ferrari on an island...cool, fast, high-performance....but you can't go any where with it

Just like the Detriot Lions.....ask Batch what can be done when a qb is on his back....because he was on his back most of the time he was in Detriot. They have been "rebuilding" their team for the last 10 years, as you know they draft the best WR, RB, TE, etc but never touch the OL. The Steelers remind me of them because nbo matter how great a player is, he is going nowhere without protection. When was the last time the Steelers addressed the OL in the draft?

Check this out:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/05/01/big-ben-happy-with-steelers-draft/

I wonder if he is still happy with the 2008 draft.

K Train
10-01-2008, 01:52 AM
Or Scott Linehan or Lane Kiffin or Bobby Petrino or Al Davis etc. etc. I, obviously, agree with you K Train. People need to stop acting like ****ing morons and realize not every game is going to be a 67-17 blowout of New England ( with Tom Brady.) It is so bad, that they would complain about the 17 points given up. Take the win and shut the **** up. I am sure you people could run a team so much better tha any of those coaches (except Linehan...he sucked)

quoted for ****ing truth

i cant stand the attitude going around, bens obviously hurting....big ****ing deal, we arent gonna win every game, we arent gonna win every superbowl, steeler fans are very spoiled fans and alot of you need to be more realistic....firing tomlin is a step backwards in a big way, the team isnt rebuilding but theres definitely a transition. we won the game we'll play abnother day, our line sucks, it did last year too....alot of teams have it way worse than us

ejsteeler
10-01-2008, 09:59 AM
:ditto:

Allot of you people are sounding like fans of some other team. Yes, we have several problems to overcome and yes, our year may well be over. I for one am not ready to pi$$ on my team. I will continue to believe they can make the adjustments. I'll take 3-1 all day. As we approach the meat of our schedule, we are in the hurt locker, but we still have plenty of talent. The rest of the NFL will start hurting as well. Way too early to give up on Tomlin. Arians is another story though. I like Ben calling the plays. Reminds me of Terry's glory days.:yellowthumb:
Sorry folks, I refuse to give up.:crossfingers:

HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!!!!!!!:cope:

DBR96A
10-01-2008, 10:36 AM
I can't be too critical of Mike Tomlin, because for as unprepared as our offense has appeared at times in recent games, our defense and special teams have both appeared to be very prepared, and have done a good job. Furthermore, if Tomlin tore Bruce Arians a new ******* last week, and gave Ben Roethlisberger the authority to call his own plays for a bit, then I think he's perfectly aware of what's wrong, and he's taking steps to change it too. To me, the blame for the offense lies with Bruce Arians, and maybe Larry Zierlien, but not Tomlin. If second-year QBs aren't perfect, then how can second-year coaches be? Tomlin is still learning, and he may make a few mistakes sometimes, but I think he's taken a major step forward in the last week.

dawgs
10-01-2008, 10:44 AM
Did I see the Indians fire-sell some players this year? Maybe one day Cleveland won't such a shiat hole....


Indians have always been a pretty healthy team, but this year they were hit hard with carmona, westbrook, hafner, martinez all going down. Dont forget the horrible start cc was off to also. But you gotta love how the indians battled all the way back to .500, when it looked like they would lose 100 games.

Inidans will be right back in the race next season no question. whitesox are very old and twins have great young pitching but They need more power bats, KC still has no pitching and little hitting, tigers have no pitching and getting old as well. as for the pirates, ya I won't go there!

anyways back to the steelers. has sweed played much? I know ben really wanted a big WR, and I have not seen him.

JensK
10-01-2008, 10:59 AM
Indians have always been a pretty healthy team, but this year they were hit hard with carmona, westbrook, hafner, martinez all going down. Dont forget the horrible start cc was off to also. But you gotta love how the indians battled all the way back to .500, when it looked like they would lose 100 games.

Inidans will be right back in the race next season no question. whitesox are very old and twins have great young pitching but They need more power bats, KC still has no pitching and little hitting, tigers have no pitching and getting old as well. as for the pirates, ya I won't go there!

anyways back to the steelers. has sweed played much? I know ben really wanted a big WR, and I have not seen him.

Nope. he havnt been on the field so far in regular season. Cant say its that big of a surprice though. Rookie WRs normally don't play much, and steelers never let a rookie play unless they have to, so there you have it :P I don't really agree on it though. our WR's have been playing terrible so far. Holmes have dropped some balls, which he wouldnt have done last year, Hines isnt running those QB saving rutes like he normally does, etc etc. Holmes did make a decent play against ravens (poor poor tackling tho), and Hines did get us those 15 yards (personal foul call), but its nothing beautiful.

I guees you can give some of the blaime to Arians, but honestly... If you get the ball you make the play. If you don't, don't go blaime someone else :P

Ben have been a shadow of last season. He seems to overthrow it a lot, and just can't get the ball to the WRs. I did get us the win against ravens, which is what an Elite QB is supposed to. Make plays even though you arent having your best game.

Ambridge
10-01-2008, 04:29 PM
IMO Tomlin is in over his head.
It's obvious that his coaching staff needed to be adjusted after the '07 season and he did absolutely nothing.........Larry Zeirlein and Bob Ligashesky should have been promptly Fired.
The offensive line is still putrid and I'm willing to bet the Steelers are in the cellar of the league as far as Kick-off return yardage and Punt return yardage so far this season.

Not to mention his questionable in game play calling and strategy.

Unless there's Major improvements in those areas through the rest of the season....There is no legitimate excuse for those two half-assed Coaches to be retained in 2009 and Tomlin's feet should be held to the fire if he chooses to keep those two Jokers.

Stlrs4Life
10-01-2008, 04:34 PM
I still like Tomlin. Patience can pay off. You have to remember, he didn't have a great deal of experience when he got this job (DC for 1-year, position coach for about 10 or so) and was only 34. He is really intelligent ad is still learning the ropes of a Head Coach in the NFL. I think it is still really early to give up on him.


I agree, it is way too early to tell.

Iron City South
10-01-2008, 08:10 PM
IMO Tomlin is in over his head.
It's obvious that his coaching staff needed to be adjusted after the '07 season and he did absolutely nothing.........Larry Zeirlein and Bob Ligashesky should have been promptly Fired.
The offensive line is still putrid and I'm willing to bet the Steelers are in the cellar of the league as far as Kick-off return yardage and Punt return yardage so far this season.

Not to mention his questionable in game play calling and strategy.

Unless there's Major improvements in those areas through the rest of the season....There is no legitimate excuse for those two half-assed Coaches to be retained in 2009 and Tomlin's feet should be held to the fire if he chooses to keep those two Jokers.

Hard to argue many of the points in your post. Tomlin is still too green for me to truly judge at this point. I still contend that a fair judgement should come after his 3rd season.

I'll be honest, allbeit a couple of very ugly wins, I've been impressed with Tomlin so far this year, unlike most. His team has shown a resiliency and mental toughness in close games that we didn't have last year. He's instilling a tough defensive mindset to his team and he has fully established a respect from the players in a relatively short period of time.

His game management is better. Unlike last year, He's using his challenges smartly and his other management decisions have been solid for the most part.

Also, to his credit of improving the team: This team is better than last year, even if the wins are uglier. They are playing a tougher, more aggressive brand of football, and that is what they'll need to survive this season.

While he's going to make some rook mistakes now and then, overall, I think Tomlin will be very successful in Pittsburgh. Tomlin's biggest test will come in the form of holding his Coordinators accountable. If Arians continues to shiat the bed along with Zerlein ... he has no choice but to cut thim loose. If he doesn't, he stands to loose a tremendous amount of respect from players and the fans.

DIESELMAN
10-01-2008, 10:04 PM
Anyone catch the Davis press conference? If you did and/or know anything thats been happening with the Raiders since Kiffin got hired, now the drama with his firing, then you would be very thankful to say, that bullshiat isn't happening in Pittsburgh.Yeah we have injuries, yeah we have play calling problems, yeah we have a inconsistent OL but so do a lot of other teams who aren't 3-1. Adversity is what we're going through right now, when the dust settles and the smoke ****ing clears, we will have found a way through it, win the AFC North and be playing in January. Has anyone considered that these injuries are a blessing in disguise? That other players who have been riding the bench will step up and actually make our OL one of the best in the NFL? Which will finally keep Ben off his back and we will be able to use all our weapons to rule the NFL? I try and keep a positive mentality but when you let negativity creep into your mindset then you might as well stick a fork in your *** cuz your done.

ItAintEasyBeingPeazy
10-01-2008, 10:22 PM
I'm with you Diesel..let some of the those young OL get in there and mix it up..what's it gonna hurt?..give up a sack?..been there done that. They are hungry and want to show people they can play too. Look at Harrison..cut several times before he got his chance to shine.You gotta start somewhere.

Gettysburgh_Steel
10-01-2008, 11:10 PM
Wow, are we 1 - 3 or 3 - 1? We could be 4-0,if not for Arians!!!!!!!!!!! I would not be a bustin on Tomlin just yet.He's gettin it together. He is not a rookie anymore either,and must make that next step. Give him a chance before you throw him to the dogs.:tt02: