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yinzer
09-27-2008, 03:18 PM
i know i may be exaggerating with the yardage here but why are our db's ALWAYS 10 yards off the wide outs??

AZ_Steeler
09-27-2008, 03:32 PM
That's been my big complaint for several years now... all that big cushion does is allow the quick passes from the QB and a quick 5,6,7 yards. It's time to man up and jam them at the line to disrupt the WR and QB timing.

DanRooney
09-27-2008, 04:33 PM
i know i may be exaggerating with the yardage here but why are our db's ALWAYS 10 yards off the wide outs??

Its not an exaggeration. I saw once where Ike was back 18 yards on a 3rd and 11.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-27-2008, 05:05 PM
From the PG last night.. (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08271/915607-66.stm)


There are no spots for a riverboat gambler in the Steelers' secondary. Not with the way defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau, a former NFL cornerback with 62 career interceptions, requires his players to perform. His No. 1 priority, is for the cornerbacks and safeties to keep the ball in front of them and not let receivers get behind them.
"No big plays," cornerback Ike Taylor said.
It's the reason the Steelers allowed only 11 pass plays of 25 yards or longer last season -- only the Indianapolis Colts (10) allowed fewer -- and are one of only two teams who haven't allowed any this season.
It's also part of the reason the Steelers had only 11 interceptions last season, tied for fewest in the league. Such a conservative approach does not lend itself to defensive backs taking chances or gambling on interceptions. Especially when LeBeau's second priority is making sure a receiver is tackled when he catches the ball.
The Steelers have not changed the way they play in the secondary, at least not their approach. The defensive backs still try to keep the ball in front of them and try to prevent the big play. The longest pass play they have allowed this season is 24 yards in the opener against the Houston Texans.
I hate that we give a 5 yd cushion beyond the sticks everytime there is a 3rd down play. I understand you want to make sure they don't burn you on the deep ball but damn you have to take some chances now and then. Taylor & McFadden are playing well so far but those 3rd down plays are killer and with our aggressive defense they play more 1 on 1 or with only minimal help so they have to be careful. It's a catch 22, we already have a lot of INT's this year by our Defense but at the same time giving up all those 3rd down plays is NOT good.

Personally I hate the cushion they give; a few yds is 1 thing but 10 yds off?????

Gettysburgh_Steel
09-27-2008, 06:21 PM
We do that pretty regularly when it is 3rd and 17 we always seem to give up the first down and not get the defense off the field.I notice that is almost always at around mid-field when it occurrs. We always tighten up near the red zone,so i am thinking it is a Dick L. kind of thing. I know it sucks but we just kinda have to live with it it seems. It would not hurt to prevent it and get the ball back, our team has work to do,maybe they are saving the best for down the stretch!! Who knows what is going on in thier minds? I sure can't get a good grip on it.:stirpot:

BlitzburghRockCity
09-27-2008, 07:24 PM
I can see where he wants to make sure the DB's keep the plays in front of them especially when many times they are playing out there with little help if any behind them but man that cushion to drives me nuts; why waste the time lining up on 3rd and 15 when you know they are going to convert because our guys will give them the first down marker every freekin time!

jpele
09-27-2008, 07:41 PM
[quote=Gettysburgh_Steel We always tighten up near the red zone,so i am thinking it is a Dick L. kind of thing. [/quote]

In the red zone you don't have the field to give a 10 yard cushion.

Stairwayto7
09-27-2008, 09:18 PM
we need faster corners

yinzer
09-27-2008, 09:33 PM
we need faster corners

i'm not sure how fast b mac is but doesn't ike have rockets???

Gettysburgh_Steel
09-27-2008, 11:20 PM
In the red zone you don't have the field to give a 10 yard cushion.

But why does it have to come down to that? That is the question i believe.:stirpot:

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I want to see a blocked punt,or field goal,thats what i want to see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We need to get that back. we used to have it but not anymore.Defense sets it up,special teams seals the fate......winning combination. SHOUT IT OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!! Special teams rule!!!!!!!!!:tt02:

BlitzburghRockCity
09-28-2008, 11:00 PM
Defending the red zone is definitely easier for the defense because you have less real estate to worry about so that's why you see defense tighten up the closer they are pushed back. Good defenses know how to play in small space and they rally to the cause when backed up into a corner. Personally though I'd rather see us not give up so much real estate and make the stop out of FG range. Our DB's have been playing pretty well so far this year, I have no complaints at this point especially with BMac stepping up and playing well.

The cushion on WR's has been going on forever, as long as Lebeau led defenses have been in Pittsburgh...when the pass rush gets there it's not that big of a deal but when it doesn't that's when these guys and that cushion are exposed.