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BlitzburghRockCity
09-16-2008, 01:27 AM
It seems to me that Nate has not changed a bit heading into 2008. The dude always has a great training camp, does good things in preseason and then takes the first half year deciding when he wants to catch the ball and when he wants to drop it :evilshake: I was really high on him this season and thought he may have turned the corner to finally become a legit 3rd WR but now Im not so sure anymore. It's only week 2 now so it's not like the season is over but man he's not inspiring much confidence yet.

I've been saying this since week 1 when they didn't dress Sweed. Tomlin has got to rotate dressing both Baker and Sweed. Limas is a 2nd round draft pick, you can't just shelve him and let him waste away his rookie year without getting any work. Baker has done nothing in the first 2 weeks so why not atleast get the man on the field and toss a pass his way. You know he's not going to draw the top defenders in the secondary anymore than Sweed would or at this point even Washington.

I'm not expecting Sweed to come in and give us a 1000 yd season here anything but man he needs to get some work and what better way than some game experience to help.

CaliforniaSean
09-16-2008, 01:33 AM
i agree i was looking forward to sweed playing, so lets put him in and give ben some legit targets to throw at.

Koopa
09-16-2008, 01:43 AM
i'll never get why ppl are so high on nate, he has never shown anything, sure he had a nice catch here and there but, but he's a bum, he doesn't go to the ball, which pisses me off, he just stares at it and if it comes to him then he's fine but if not he doesn't even make a good attempt to get it................and he's been in the league long enough that this is who he is and will never change............ sweed and touchdown maker need to be getting more playing time and just let that hoe go

BlitzburghRockCity
09-16-2008, 01:48 AM
Tomlin must think that Nate still has potential otherwise they wouldn't have given him such a big tender offer to keep him around. Either that or they were just afraid of not having anybody else behind the 2 starters. It's probably alittle of both leaning more towards the latter IMO.

Nate has so much speed, he's the fastest guy on the team. He just doesn't seem to quite get it. If it's not a circus catch he just flat out drops it when it hit him right in the numbers.

Koopa
09-16-2008, 01:49 AM
Tomlin must think that Nate still has potential otherwise they wouldn't have given him such a big tender offer to keep him around. Either that or they were just afraid of not having anybody else behind the 2 starters. It's probably alittle of both leaning more towards the latter IMO.

Nate has so much speed, he's the fastest guy on the team. He just doesn't seem to quite get it. If it's not a circus catch he just flat out drops it when it hit him right in the numbers.

tomlin don't know ****........ keeping arians around another year just shows how stupid the dude is.........

BlitzburghRockCity
09-16-2008, 01:57 AM
I was afraid this might happen with Sweed; we all know he'd make the team and most of us were hoping that Baker would be able to make an impact after sitting on the PS last year. WR is such a difficult position to master in the NFL as a rookie. You need all the practices and film study you can get. Limas is getting all that and then some I'm sure but man this guy is such a big target with good speed I hate to see him sitting on the bench. We're hampering ourselves by not using them so I hope they start getting this kid some action.

Same thing with Matt Spaeth really, dude was a 3rd round pick. Obviously Heath is the main guy and is one of the best in the NFL no question. Speath is like Andre the Giant and would be money every chance we give him in the redzone.

ToothAche
09-16-2008, 09:40 AM
You guys are all crying about having what most teams want. We have DEPTH, depth at wideout, and tight end. As long as these guys are learning on the sidelines, watching film, grasping what they are supposed to do in practice, and have a need to play and suceed, they will rise up to the occassion when their number is called.

I dont mind seeing Sweed on the bench rght now, he's still learning the game, on the field and off the field. As for Spaeth, I am sure we will see him in some twin tightend sets very soon. Arians just doesnt want to show all of our formations yet.

yinzer
09-16-2008, 09:55 AM
Arians just doesnt want to show all of our formations yet.[/QUOTE]

what the hell is he waiting for??????

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tomlin don't know shiat........ keeping arians around another year just shows how stupid the dude is.........

arians still hasn't figured out how to call plays on 3rd and short. :evilshake:

steelcitysfinestXL
09-16-2008, 11:03 AM
Um i dont know if yinz guys have noticed... but we have been super efficient on Offense. Ben is 25 of 33 for 320 yds. and 3tds in 2 whole games.(thats per game stats for Peyton,Cutler and McNabb this season) Thats a 75% completion average and no picks. Its obvious he isnt getting past his first two reads before finding an open man. Thats not a bad thing! Parker is 3rd or 4th in the league in rushing.

As far as the coaching staff, the only problems i have is the poorly timed Time-out by mike and not dressing certain players like Sweed and Smith(game1).

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Nate is our third best option. I agree that im not sold on him as "the answer" as our 3rd wideout, but no one else is ready right now to unseat him. I would like to see Sweed dressing though. If he goes the whole season like this it is a waste. Well go into next year not nknoing anything about this kid!

SteelerSal
09-16-2008, 11:39 AM
Um i dont know if yinz guys have noticed... but we have been super efficient on Offense. Ben is 25 of 33 for 320 yds. and 3tds in 2 whole games.(thats per game stats for Peyton,Cutler and McNabb this season) Thats a 75% completion average and no picks. Its obvious he isnt getting past his first two reads before finding an open man. Thats not a bad thing! Parker is 3rd or 4th in the league in rushing.

As far as the coaching staff, the only problems i have is the poorly timed Time-out by mike and not dressing certain players like Sweed and Smith(game1).

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Nate is our third best option. I agree that im not sold on him as "the answer" as our 3rd wideout, but no one else is ready right now to unseat him. I would like to see Sweed dressing though. If he goes the whole season like this it is a waste. Well go into next year not nknoing anything about this kid!

:plus1: Only the coach's see what goes on with the other wr's in the film room and practice and apparently if Sweed or Baker were the better option over Nate then they would be playing.
Recievers in the NFL need to no more than the basic routes that they ran in college, they also need to no how to read the coverages and to be on the same page with the qb to know when their route changes.
Each play is basic in the huddle with multiple changes when the players go to the line of scrimmage that depend on, man to man, variety of zone and even blitzes. It's not just "who catches the ball better".

Stairwayto7
09-16-2008, 11:41 AM
I`m not real high on Nate. And as far as Baker and Sweed go, whoever has come along the best should be dressing, not rotate one week and the other the next. And if your dressing,your playing, at least a little.

ItAintEasyBeingPeazy
09-16-2008, 11:55 AM
I don't know how you can even grade Nate's performance at this point...I don't think he's even had one pass come his way yet, and that's not because he's not getting open but more because the offense has been running real efficient with Holmes and Ward.Not that i'm on Nate's jock this year but it's too early still to be judging his play.

Dean Denton
09-16-2008, 12:00 PM
tomlin don't know shiat........ keeping arians around another year just shows how stupid the dude is.........
I agree. I'm not a big Arians fan. His play calling leaves me shaking my head. I like how he goes deep, but I dont like the way he uses the WR. I guess its just not enough. I like dude that went to Arizona. The Wiz....

DanRooney
09-16-2008, 01:31 PM
I don't know how you can even grade Nate's performance at this point...I don't think he's even had one pass come his way yet, and that's not because he's not getting open but more because the offense has been running real efficient with Holmes and Ward.Not that i'm on Nate's jock this year but it's too early still to be judging his play.

He had one come to him in Week 1 as well. I'm sure you can guess the result. I'll give you a clue, it wasn't a badly thrown ball. :lol:

BlitzburghRockCity
09-16-2008, 03:58 PM
Nate had a pass go his way vs the Texans and dropped it and in the first half against Cleveland but he ran the wrong route and cut back in when he was supposed to cut back out towards the sidelines and the ball went way off the mark. I'm not ready to say Ben has lost confidence in him yet or anything but man you get limited touches as it is being the 3rd WR so you better take advantage of them.

Dean Denton
09-16-2008, 04:40 PM
Nate had a pass go his way vs the Texans and dropped it and in the first half against Cleveland but he ran the wrong route and cut back in when he was supposed to cut back out towards the sidelines and the ball went way off the mark. I'm not ready to say Ben has lost confidence in him yet or anything but man you get limited touches as it is being the 3rd WR so you better take advantage of them.
This has always been the case with WR in Pitt. Dude better step up or Sweed will. The kid is just waiting to get in there, and Nate is making it easy for him to do so. But just when your ready to write Nate off, he makes a big play...He just cant keep putting us in 3rd and long or forcing us to punt.

steelcityrockers
09-16-2008, 09:49 PM
When ou throw the ball 16 times per game, it is kinda hard to target your 3rd or fourth or fifth option. Stop complaining and just be happy that we have looked good and are 2-0. I mean seriously, Hines has 3 or 4 Touchdowns and Santonio is still progressing as one of the league's best deep threats. Miller simply gets the job done. We have run the ball about 65 times already this year. Willie is doing great. When the run game is working, you don't need to go straight to the pass because that would make you guys complain even more when we "abandoned" the run. Anyway, when you run more, you pass less. When you pass less, you are more unlikely to see passes go to those 3rd-5th options.

mariners100
09-17-2008, 08:08 PM
I too am looking forward to Sweed getting on the field but it does make me smile to see Ward still making an impact... I am just waiting to see him lay someone out.

Mechem
09-18-2008, 07:16 PM
Yeah I agree here. We arent a team that NEEDS depth at WR, but we have it.

I do wanna see Sweed get involved though. He is very talented, after all he is tall AND black. Those two things make you a much better WR.

Nate Washington is somehow always a letdown and never seems to come up with the big ball. And to me thats why I think it is time for someone else to step up.

Holmes has really improved though from having fumblitis earlier in life, and him and Ward are still lethal.

But you add Sweed in your red-zone package and him and Heath on the same play provides some serious options for passing.

steelcityrockers
09-18-2008, 08:39 PM
I do wanna see Sweed get involved though. He is very talented, after all he is tall AND black. Those two things make you a much better WR.

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Stereotyping at its finest.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-18-2008, 09:21 PM
I do wanna see Sweed get involved though. He is very talented, after all he is tall AND black. Those two things make you a much better WR.

Nate Washington is somehow always a letdown and never seems to come up with the big ball. And to me thats why I think it is time for someone else to step up.

I must say I've never quite heard that reasoning for being a good WR before..but if that's true then why is Nate not a good WR, he's 6'1"..or on the other hand Hines & Santonio are small but they are good.. :thinking: :greengrin:

Mechem
09-19-2008, 12:19 AM
Well Ward is "Blasian" which makes him swift like ninja yet athletic like Black man. Black/Asian is the most lethal mixed race due to their overwhelming ability to block, and silently kill.

And Santonios just hella fast.

Tall AND Black is a most decidedly good thing to see on the scouting report. And IMO in football I consider 6'3" to be tall. I dont consider 6' 1" to be tall especially for a wideout.

$teelersRule
09-19-2008, 12:44 AM
height is very over rated in wide receivers it is a nice bonus but look at some of the best in the league, steve smith is one of the better receivers, holmes, ward, the list goes on... moss and burress have the height thats just a bonus that comes in handy for jump balls. the most important thing is if they can catch, block and are fast then i am happy. :2cents:

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Well Ward is "Blasian" which makes him swift like ninja yet athletic like Black man. Black/Asian is the most lethal mixed race due to their overwhelming ability to block, and silently kill.

And Santonios just hella fast.

Tall AND Black is a most decidedly good thing to see on the scouting report. And IMO in football I consider 6'3" to be tall. I dont consider 6' 1" to be tall especially for a wideout.

i dont really like your "scouting report" being based solely on race... i think that is pretty ignorant. oh.. and one of the top WO taken in the draft was Jordy Nelson by the Vikings and he seemed pretty white to me. :dunno:

MOTORKRAFT
09-19-2008, 01:10 AM
I don't like the way Coach Tomlin uses rookies. L. Timmons was his first pick ever and got no good playing time (special teams doesn't count). L. Woodley didn't get much. R. Mendenhall, and L. Sweed are going down the same path. I don't like this. Sometimes I wonder if he was the Steelers coach when T. Maddox got hurt would we even know who B. Roethlisberger is ? It seems to me that he doesn't understand that special players only play good when it means something. Some players play good when it means nothing. You have to put your second round draft choice into a game and see if he can do something. I think Sweed is a gamer and the lights come on for him when the game starts. Not practice, or preseason. A real game. I guess we will know next year at Tomlins pace. Coach Tomlin might need to learn that there is a rookie of the year award for a reason. Someone might also remind him that roster spots arent given because of time on the job. Someone might also remind him that I didn't receive my yearly porn e-mail from coach L. Zierlein.

DanRooney
09-19-2008, 02:00 AM
Well Ward is "Blasian" which makes him swift like ninja yet athletic like Black man. Black/Asian is the most lethal mixed race due to their overwhelming ability to block, and silently kill.

And Santonios just hella fast.

Tall AND Black is a most decidedly good thing to see on the scouting report. And IMO in football I consider 6'3" to be tall. I dont consider 6' 1" to be tall especially for a wideout.


Being a tall, black dude doesn't make you good. Look at the QB's around the league other than Donovan McNaab:nono:

Mechem
09-19-2008, 11:02 AM
i dont really like your "scouting report" being based solely on race... i think that is pretty ignorant. oh.. and one of the top WO taken in the draft was Jordy Nelson by the Vikings and he seemed pretty white to me. :dunno:

K. And what rookie wide receiver is doing best? Desean Jackson, a black guy.

Owned.


Being a tall, black dude doesn't make you good. Look at the QB's around the league other than Donovan McNaab:nono:

Generally this is only in reference to a wide receiver. At least IMO. lol.

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I don't like the way Coach Tomlin uses rookies. L. Timmons was his first pick ever and got no good playing time (special teams doesn't count). L. Woodley didn't get much. R. Mendenhall, and L. Sweed are going down the same path. I don't like this. Sometimes I wonder if he was the Steelers coach when T. Maddox got hurt would we even know who B. Roethlisberger is ? It seems to me that he doesn't understand that special players only play good when it means something. Some players play good when it means nothing. You have to put your second round draft choice into a game and see if he can do something. I think Sweed is a gamer and the lights come on for him when the game starts. Not practice, or preseason. A real game. I guess we will know next year at Tomlins pace. Coach Tomlin might need to learn that there is a rookie of the year award for a reason. Someone might also remind him that roster spots arent given because of time on the job. Someone might also remind him that I didn't receive my yearly porn e-mail from coach L. Zierlein.

And for the record, you are correct. We probably WOULDNT have known about Ben so fast. Maybe later on.

Same thing with Tom Brady. Were it not for bledsoe getting hurt, he would never have played.

$teelersRule
09-19-2008, 11:28 AM
K. And what rookie wide receiver is doing best? Desean Jackson, a black guy.

Owned.

wow your f-in retarded do you realize how many black receivers come into this league and FAIL? the color of a player's skin has NOTHING to do with how good he is at being a WO! :clueless:

Mechem
09-19-2008, 08:02 PM
Lol for the record I am being totally joking about all this.

No kidding there are lousy black receivers and great white ones and sweet hispanics and whatever.

Im just fooling around.

Take it easy people. But I still do get excited about a guy whos 6 foot 4 regardless of his color.

ItAintEasyBeingPeazy
09-19-2008, 08:51 PM
Lol for the record I am being totally joking about all this.

No kidding there are lousy black receivers and great white ones and sweet hispanics and whatever.

Im just fooling around.

Take it easy people. But I still do get excited about a guy whos 6 foot 4 regardless of his color.

:wtf:

$teelersRule
09-19-2008, 09:20 PM
yeah, sometimes it's hard to tell when someone is being serious b/c it's all being read off a screen.. I'll give ya a pass on this one. In the end we are all just steeler fans haha:cope:

CaliforniaSean
09-21-2008, 11:33 PM
well this was an ugly game, we beat ourselves.
im used to seeing washington drop passes, but what happened to holmes today. i havent seen all the stats yet but it sure looked like he dropped nearly everything thrown his way today.
come on guys, give sweed a chance, thats why we drafted him isnt it???


the schedule may have just gotten easier.......way to go new england!!!